Tough-talking Trump seems to embrace amnesty; no matter what he says

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“‘You know, it’s a process,” Trump told CNN anchor Anderson Cooper on Thursday. ‘You can’t take 11 [million] at one time and just say, –Boom, you’re gone–. But there’s no legalization. There’s no amnesty. And if somebody wants to go [the] legalization route, what they’ll do is they’ll go leave the country, hopefully come back in, and then we can talk.’

Asked about his changing statements, the Republican presidential nominee said some view his position as a ‘hardening.'”  [latimes.com]

 

Trump is  softening on the illegals:

Fair and firmly most ought to be pardoned.

But when his position was challenged,

He said that his policy’s hardened.

 

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  • Not clear from the excerpt whether he is or isn't. However, it seemed like one of the conditions of past amnesty plans was to go home and reapply, and/or pay an "admission fee." Even an opponent of the 2013 bill points out that a "provision in it S. 744 would grant amnesty from the requirement that individuals residing illegally in the United States return to their home countries and wait for 10 years before applying for readmission." Also, that piece points out that that solution was proposed by Little Marco.

    About 2 years ago, I asked whether the Tea Party House of Representatives wanted a solution, or the issue in 2016. They begat Trump in 2015, but now Trump seems to embrace the policy in the killed 2013 bill. Again, hypocrites.

    However, certainly no comfort to the "open borders" complainers of the alt-Right movement.

  • Softening? Hardening? As always, the barker's words mean whatever fits the sales pitch of the moment. When the pitch changes, so too do the meaning of words.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Like calling Hillary a bigot. I guess it takes one to know one.

  • In reply to jack:

    How about Trump's meeting with Afro-Americans who were hand-picked by the GOP? Or the fact that when he visited his casinos, the black employees were kept out of sight for fear of offending him. This according to a 1991 book.

  • What does it matter really what Trump says or thinks? You can't be trying to persuade the readers of Chicago now that they should not vote for Trump when virtually nobody reads who reads Chicago Now is going to vote for Trump. Your time would be better spent shoring up support for Hillary who has no appeal for younger disaffected Bernie fans. In fact she may be beaten not by Trump but by apathy and hubris and third and fourth party candidates.

    The foaming at the mouth Trump thumpers crack me up.

  • In reply to Chef Boy RD:

    Also exploding cans of Bararoni. When will we see you back next?

  • In reply to Chef Boy RD:

    OK, Chef Boy RD, other than getting it all wrong about Bernie supporters, I was one, you seem to be a rock-solid Trump supporter. I don't think anyone is going to change your mind, no matter if Trump does 180 degree pivots on all issues, as he just did on the above subject. I thought it was revealing to see that none of the surviving economists who have served on the President's Council of Economic Advisors intends to vote for Trump. This includes those who served under Reagan, Ford, and both Bushes. I credit the wonderful Rachel Maddow for this information. You would do well to tune in to her show, Chef Boy. She's invited Trump for a one-on-one, but is still waiting.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    You'll note that the Chef has never directly come out for Trump (as 4zen has found out, that exposes one to these kinds of contradictions), but only that he hates Hillary. However, in his own words, his "time would be better spent" not "trying to persuade the readers of Chicago now that they should not vote for " Hillary, if he is so convinced about the views of Chicago Now readership. At least he doesn't spend much of his time or intellectual capacity on his endeavor.

  • In reply to Chef Boy RD:

    Because they don't know anything about their candidate.

    And for those not paying attention, the Chef is not a Trump supporter.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Since you seem to know him from the alt-Right underground or otherwise, tell us then, since he won't, whether he is a Gary Johnson supporter, or just sitting out this election in a vocal way.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    And, of course, speaking about "they don't know anything about their candidate," you can explain for us why you continue to support Trump, when it is manifest that he does not support your vision of LGBT issues and immigration?

  • In reply to jack:

    Jack, calmness looks good on you.

    Regardless to what degree you think Trump and I differ. Regardless of your interpretation of Trump's vision, I'm choosing the 'best' candidate within my choice.

    The reason you keeping stabbing and missing, is because you never have understood that it's not about Trump. Trump, to an important degree, is a means to an end not an end in itself.

    You know, you could take Chef ravioli's advice and use some of your energy to explain why you're voting for your candidate. How you feel about that candidate. Bet you won't, and bet I know why.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Trump has a vision? Explain.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Here's a biggie. This is trueU.S. fascism, and Hillary does it better than anyone.

    Trumps represents a cull on this better than any other candidate this cycle who wasn't a socialist, and it's the real reason he has been a target for the establishment.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Imagine how George Carlin would skewer Donald Trump. Thanks for the link.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Speaking of George Carlfin's "7 Words You Can't Say on TV", radio had fun tonight with another alt-righter, the governor of Maine, a poor French-Canuck who suffered discrimination at the hands of the Italians and Irish. From the original source:

    Mr. Gattine, this is Gov. Paul Richard LePage. I would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you (expletive). I want to talk to you. I want you to prove that I’m a racist. I’ve spent my life helping black people and you little son-of-a-bitch, socialist (expletive). You … I need you to, just friggin. I want you to record this and make it public because I am after you. Thank you.

    According to Roe Conn, the first expletive had c.s. in it and had nothing to do with seersucker suits, and the second had m.f. in it. Both of them made George Carlin's list.

    I guess psychosis has really taken over the alt-Right movement.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Web source on the old discrimination and related point. Also, he plays the 4zen game about "you insulted me worse," and "if you apologize first."

  • In reply to 4zen:

    " that it's not about Trump. Trump, to an important degree, is a means to an end not an end in itself."

    But you can't articulate that end, except the destruction of the Republican Party by whatever the lunatic old white boys faction is called, whether alt-Right, the Nazi Party, or whatever, and that has been accomplished. And since I have frequently said that I am not voting for someone endorsed by the American Nazi Party, that's sufficient.

    Essentially, though, you don't care if Trump or Hillary adopt the same bathroom plan, the same trade policy with China, Marco's immigration plan, or whatever. All the garbage you said about open borders, voting for Iraq, open restrooms, etc. were lies, You are now a hypocrite for saying I didn't understand the point when you obfuscated it.

    Maybe if the point is to "get rid of the boss," the NRA has a way to do that, as Trump suggested. But you can't blame your disoriented discourse on anyone else but yourself. And you should apologize for using your candidate's "means" of insults on me, especially where you candidate is just another Hillary, admittedly on policies. As I said, all you have proven is that you are incivil, and you only flourish by fomenting distension.

  • In reply to jack:

    "dissension." Stinking auto correct.

  • In reply to jack:

    Uh oh, somebody's 'short-circuiting' again. Quick, where's Hillary's Epi?

    Too many straw-men in there to even know where to begin.

    So much for calm, I knew you couldn't do buddy. You really are the 'champ.' Ha!

  • In reply to 4zen:

    "Uh oh, somebody's 'short-circuiting' again."

    Describing yourself again, 4zen?

    You dug your own hole, you have to live in it, even if you are so cognitively deprived that you can't realize it.

    Everything about you and your candidate is a fraud. Being a con man, you can't recognize it. But you are no longer fooling anyone. Neither is your retarded candidate, except maybe you.

    But to get back to the original question: how many votes has your rambling discourse obtained for "the means" this week? Somewhere within the margin of error of zero?

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Let him speak for himself.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Unless you and he are the same person.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    I don't think so. Chef has a history of hit and run, except one time he railed on Brian Thomas for not answering him. Also, Chef has been quite consistent in his position. But Chef is not going to speak for himself.

  • "I've spent my life helping blacks." To quote Maine Gov. LePage. He means helping them leave the state.

    I'd like to see his binder. Reminds me of Romney's. But a different kind.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Banner on CNN: MAINE GOV. CHALLENGES LAWMAKER TO DUEL.

    I bet it turns out like similar fracases at the UIC Pavilion, where the stupid pasty white guy gets the short end of the stick.

    Also, LePage needs a wall separating Maine from New York and Connecticut, as well as a very quick impeachment trial and hospitalization. Thorazine would be an appropriate treatment.

  • BTW, 4zen, if you are still there. I'm reading David Cay Johnston's "The Making of Donald Trump." Johnston has spent much of his reportorial life tracking The Donald. I suggest you read the book. It may convince to vote for Hillary.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Have you ever read a book on Hillary or the Clintons? Did you watch 'Clinton Cash', it's free on the internet? What about the numerous alleged sexual assaults and rapes that have been heaped on Bill, some leading to large payouts by the Clintons? The reports of Hillary being complicit, enabling, strong arming the victims? What about Monica Lewinsky or the recent reporting that Bill bombed two countries to change the news cycle on the Lewinsky scandal? Do you think Hillary would do anything about the U.S. fascism described in the article I posted, she would never even talk about it?

    I'm sure you don't believe any of it, but I bet you except every word of your Donald book. Anyway, nobody is changing anyone's vote here, so enjoy.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Accept

  • In reply to 4zen:

    "Clinton Cash" the book funded by Breitbart's Bannon? So you believed every word of it? Come now.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Speaking of Clinton cash, the Clintons have released a 2015 tax return showing $10.6 million in taxable income and $3.24 million paid in taxes. They have also posted the forms on the Internet.

    In the meantime, the "Means to the End" hasn't released his, as AW keeps pointing out.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    4zen, I doubt any thoughtful person following the political hurricane in American today will have failed to read many articles and watched many film strips and television accounts attacking Hillary Clinton. The problem with much of the opposition to Hillary is that it is so unreliable. The attacks by your bible, Brietbart, rely on unverified information creating smoke rings which are connected to suggest elaborate conspiracies which are actually nothing more than products of the writer's fantasies. The documentary you recommended, "Clinton Cash" is a good example of this. This adaptation of an earlier book was paid for by Breitbart CEO Steve Bannon who has used it to mount an attack of the Clinton Foundation. Apparently a novel based on this same book has been published this month. One might well ask which is which.

    Having exhausted the topics of Benghazi and Clinton emails, the alt right attack on Clinton has now moved on to the Clinton Foundation. Before you buy into the Breitbart narrative too far, you might read a new report from Fortune Magazine, which has investigated the foundation. They acknowledge it is a major effective foundation, particularly in the fields of international medical aid, including the war on AIDs in Africa. They also conclude that it is financially very effective-- "the foundation spent 88% of its 2014 outlays directly on programs (rather than overhead) and that it only has to spend $2 to raise $100." Fortune is by subscription only, but this story is being picked up by other news outlets.

    As for you statement that "nobody is changing anyone's vote here" I can only say I hope you keep on posting. You may be changing votes to Hillary Clinton.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    It appears your mentors disagree J-no.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    I don't let "media outlets," left or right, tell me how to think. I guess this is one of the ways we are different.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Last time I looked Bill wasn't running for president. BTW, are you aware Bannon was a spousal abuser?

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Match Game 2016
    Alec: Fill in the blank:
    "Dumb 4zen is so stupid (HOW STUPID IS HE?) that he _________________ "
    Rosie "Can't figure out what Chef said. Chef said 'virtually nobody who reads Chicago Now is going to vote for Trump.' Yet 4zen wastes his time pushing more Bannon garbage."
    NeNe: "Used the compound word 'straw-man' when he admitted two straw men: open borders and open restrooms."
    David: "Couldn't figure out that Hillary didn't invent the term ''alt-right.""
    Dr. Ken: "Didn't know that Kim Jung On supports Trump. Correct insult would have been Kim Zen Un."
    Jason: "Complains about Obamacare being too expensive, made a crack about Epipen, but Big Pharma's justification is 'in 90% of cases, insurance will pay.'"
    Sherry: "Couldn't comprehend what jnorto said. He, LePage, and Trump are just increasing Hillary's margin of victory."

    Alec: "Sorry 4zen you didn't make a match. But you can walk away with some fine parting gifts."

  • BREAKING NEWS: Breitbart Rises!!

    In Other News: 'Auntie Em, Auntie Em it's a twister!, study finds Prog's increasingly fear fire, brains, courage and.....words.

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Dumb* 4zen, Breitbart reviewing Brietbart is about as credible as Blago saying he is going to be released from prison with black hair, and soon.

    ________
    *Since "the Means" puts an adjective in front of any opponent's name, I assume that in your world,I am free to do so, too.

  • ACTUAL BREAKING NEWS: Trump tanks with Catholic voters (I assume AW is one).

    In BREAKING NEWS FOR DUMMIES (published by Wiley [Coyote] Press}, Ivanka converts to Catholicism, and has Theodore James St. Luke* baptized, then apologizes to the Pope for what Daddy said, and sews up the Catholic vote. Can't undo the Bris, though.

    _________
    *Change in name, and undoubtedly husband required.

  • Yes, Jack, I'm one of them, but far to the left of most. How any civilized, decent, thoughtful person, whether theist, agnostic, or atheist, could vote for Trump is beyond comprehension.

    Maybe Trump should take his own advice, the advice he gave Pope Francis: Stay out of politics.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    If you make a Venn diagram of the people you listed, and then of the alt-right, there is no intersection. But your operative word is "thought."

    There are various reports of KKK rallies in Indiana, which isn't news, as the KKK has hung out anywhere south of 167th Street. I wonder who their candidate is? And that candidate is projecting through a retweet.The not thoughtful, not decent are freaking out.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    The Pope now has a drone. As the end of the article says: "We wonder what the pope will do with the drone... oh, the possibilities."

  • On the noon news (web source) "Clinton Releases Mental Health Plan."

    Average Trump supporter: "we don't need no stinking mental health."

  • And as similar observation from the Right turn of the Washington Post:

    Does it matter if Trump really is crazy? In part:

    "It might be reassuring in some sense to find out that Trump is ill. The reality is that it’s just as likely that he’s an obnoxious, entitled ignoramus. Either way, he shouldn’t get anywhere near the Oval Office."

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