What you need an ID for in Texas? Plenty.

Destruction of the soft bigotry argument that says Black voters are too incopentent to get an ID

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  • you'll never see that video exchange on CNN or MSNBC. Like to hear Jen Psaki spin that set of facts.

  • Dennis, how many cases of voter fraud were there in the 2020 presidential balloting?

    Hardly any, right? So requiring an ID to vote is a solution in search of a problem.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Requiring an ID to buy alcohol is a solution in search of a problem, no? Because we all know that nobody underage purchases booze.

    Requiring an ID to get on a flight is silly, as there have been no acts of terrorism on flights lately.

    Requiring an ID to open a bank account is really silly. Money is money after all.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Is it possible that one difference is there is a constitutional right to vote? What if you were required by the government to show a government-issued ID to attend church?

  • In reply to jnorto:

    If that ever happened, God only knows what would ensue.

  • The main reason for showing an ID in all the cases where an ID is required is fraud. Fraud for money or ID theft has been a factor in all those cases. Pretty poor logic that an ID for church would be necessary to prevent fraud.

  • In reply to Get out of IL now!:

    Do we require IDs before boarding airplanes to prevent fraud? What if I justify requiring an ID as protection for the congregation from a terrorist attack?

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Of course there can be fraud boarding an airline. You can be using a fake or someone else's ID when you're really on the no fly list. You can only use certain IDs that are mostly fraud resistant and TSA seems to be pretty thorough in their scanning of the IDs. If your religion demands an ID to join the congregation, that is a personal requirement, not a governmental one. Government wouldn't dare require religious IDs, church & state separation, would never stand up in court.

  • In reply to Get out of IL now!:

    Now you see the point! The constitutional freedom of religion would probably make the government-imposed ID requirement for church attendance illegal.

    But there is also a constitutional right to vote. This, in turn, imposes limits on what the State of Texas can do to restrict access of citizens to polling places. Most states permit evidence of citizenship without showing a government-issued ID. Other states, particularly in the South, do not.

    Let me give a reported example. A Texan was born and issued a birth certificate in his biological father's name. His mother later was remarried and he took his step-father's name. He attended school and reached adulthood. When he applied for a Texas-issued ID, he was told that he had to produce a birth certificate showing his name, or show adoption papers showing his new name, or show a judicial change of name order. He is poor. He cannot afford these. He was also told he could not vote without a Texas-issued ID. No one doubts he is a citizen of the United States, nor that he is a resident of Texas, but he cannot exercise his constitutional right to vote in Texas.

    The man is poor and black, and the State of Texas probably prefers it this way.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    So, how does he survive? Without an ID, he can't get SS, Medicare, government assistance, credit cards, sign a lease, legitimate employment, get a bank account or loan, cash a check, buy alcohol, buy a car, or numerous other necessary items to live. I would think voting is the least of his worries. He also has a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How are those working out?

  • In reply to Get out of IL now!:

    Yes, Get out, there are poor people living in our country. Many of them homeless, too. Even with an ID, they would be almost impossible for them to get a credit card, sign a lease, get a job or get a loan to buy a car But would you even take away their basic right in a democracy, one that might improve their condition, the right to vote?

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Edit alert: Even with an ID, it would..."

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Name, please.

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    Anthony Settles
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

  • In reply to jnorto:

    He's a retired engineer and presumably can read. If so, he (or his friends and attorneys) ought to be able to knew how to get an ID if he doesn't have the required photo ID or other standard documents. I've posted the information in its entirety below.

    That the reporter didn't bother to contact the secretary of state for a response to the story or bother to read the easily available information himself says a lot about bias and/or incompetence. That you depend on such a one-side story says something about you, too.

    https://www.votetexas.gov/register-to-vote/need-id.html
    Register to Vote
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    Required Identification for Voting in Person

    Ready. Check. Vote. 7 forms of acceptable ID information card (PDF)
    Frequently Asked Questions

    Senate Bill 5, passed by the 85th Legislature, Regular Session, requires voters who possess an acceptable form of photo identification for voting listed below to present that identification in order to vote in person in all Texas elections. For voters aged 18-69, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired no more than four years before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place. For voters aged 70 or older, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired for any length of time if the identification is otherwise valid. Voters who do not possess an acceptable form of photo identification and cannot reasonably obtain one of the forms of acceptable photo identification listed below may present a supporting form of identification and execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration, noting the voter’s reasonable impediment to obtaining an acceptable form of photo identification, stating that the information contained in the declaration is true, that the voter is the same individual personally appearing at the polling place to sign the declaration, and that the voter faces a reasonable impediment to procuring an acceptable form of photo identification.

    This requirement is effective immediately.

    Here is a list of the acceptable forms of photo ID:

    Texas Driver License issued by the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS)
    Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS
    Texas Personal Identification Card issued by DPS
    Texas Handgun License issued by DPS
    United States Military Identification Card containing the person’s photograph
    United States Citizenship Certificate containing the person’s photograph
    United States Passport (book or card)
    With the exception of the U.S. Citizenship Certificate, which does not expire, for voters aged 18-69, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired no more than four years before being presented for voter qualification at the polling place. For voters aged 70 or older, the acceptable form of photo identification may be expired for any length of time if the identification is otherwise valid.

    Election Identification Certificates are available from DPS driver license offices during regular business hours. Find mobile station locations here.

    Here is a list of the supporting forms of ID that can be presented if the voter does not possess one of the forms of acceptable photo ID and cannot reasonably obtain one:

    copy or original of a government document that shows the voter’s name and an address, including the voter’s voter registration certificate;
    copy of or original current utility bill;
    copy of or original bank statement;
    copy of or original government check;
    copy of or original paycheck; or
    copy of or original of (a) a certified domestic (from a U.S. state or territory) birth certificate or (b) a document confirming birth admissible in a court of law which establishes the voter’s identity (which may include a foreign birth document).
    After presenting one of the forms of supporting ID listed above, the voter must execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration.

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    Dennis, you are calling the Washington Post reporter a liar and by association me as well. In fact, your regurgitation of Texas regulations does not prove that Anthony Settles was legally eligible to vote. As the story recounts, "A federal court in Texas found that 608,470 registered voters don’t have the forms of identification that the state now requires for voting " Is the federal court lying? Or is that another lie by the Post reporter?

    Dennis, if you are going to accuse people of lying, I think you should be prepared to prove the lie. You didn't in this case.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    A lie is an intent to deceive. Nowhere do I say or suggest that the reporter or you lied, Grow up, Address the issue that the reporter raised: Was he disenfranchised? Were the obstacles insurmountable? I regurgitated the regulations so you would have a chance to examine them and have a rational discussion about their impact. I know you are compelled to have the last word (no matter how off-point), so have at it.

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    Anthony Settles was disenfranchised by the State of Texas in the manner the Washington Post reported. Of all of the regulations you threw on the page, you could not point to a single one that would change that outcome. Your bluster will not give you the proof you need.

    I think you are the one who needs to grow up and to recognize that the world does not always fit your fairy tale.

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    Dennis, now you know his name. Did you need this information because you were planning on helping him in some way? Just asking.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Read the above information about obtaining a proper ID.

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