Does the Covid vaccine work? Two dramatically opposing views not to be ignored.

One side says the vaccine is nearly 100 percent effective. The other side says that it’s 100 percent ineffective.

CNN reports on the 99.99 percent effectiveness of the vaccine here and here. The reporting is praised here as the kind of journalism we need.

In the video below Dr. Dan Stock who says he is specially trained in immunology explains why is doesn’t work.

“Everything recommended by the CDC and NIH are contrary to the rules of science,” he told the Mt. Vernon, Ind. school board. He doesn’t appear to be a quack; you need to listen to his entire six-minute-plus presentation to give him a fair hearing and to (try) to understand the science.

I’m posting these two views to encourage a rational and reasonable discussion of the science. You decide. For me, it reinforces the reality that science always is in flux and rarely “settled.”


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  • "He doesn't appear to be a quack."
    You say of Dr. Stock.
    I will say this. He has a knack
    Of selling poppycock.

  • Dennis, you might find an ally over at the Flat Earth Society. (Yes, it does exist!) They also declare that they base their findings on "science."

    "The evidence for a Flat Earth is derived from many different facets of science and philosophy. The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what's called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses. Alternatively, when using Descartes' method of Cartesian doubt to skeptically view the world around us, one quickly finds that the notion of a spherical world is the theory which has the burden of proof and not Flat Earth Theory."

  • Dennis, you continue to contribute to the barrage of disinformation that not only cripples medical science from getting Covid-19 and its variants under control, but also, as a result, leads to unnecessary hospitalizations and deaths, including among which an alarming number of children.

    The disinformation you are fostering in your posts like the one above is deplorable, shameful, and reprehensible.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Presenting two opposing views and allowing people to draw their own conclusions is disinformation?

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    So, Richard, which conclusions have you drawn? Whom do you believe? Stock or the epidemiologists?

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Who I believe is not the subject of discussion here. It's whether or not you and people like you believe in the free flow of information and the right of individuals to decide for themselves.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    C'mon, Man, have the courage of your convictions. Don't pussyfoot around. Does everyone decide for themselves to obey a traffic light?
    Or to wear seat belts? Or to get childhood vaccinations?

    It's becoming very clear that the subject of discussion, Dr. Stock, has been shown to be nothing more than a con artist. Like you know who.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    The real question about the traffic light is whether there should be one at an intersection or not. It's not left up to somebody guessing, but traffic studies are executed and then it is decided.

    The question here is the free flow of information. Do you check in with the Democrat Party to see what you should be reading? A positive answer would not surprise me. If not, why should others have their information suppressed because some "expert" of one stripe or another says it's poppycock?

    Speaking of con men, dare I mention the secular saint of the year, St. Anthony Fauci? All you saints know each other, right? As your favorite "descent" president, Joe Biden, says, "I'm not kidding."

  • Before your readers rely on this presentation to the Indiana School Board, they should read this "Fact Focus" from the Associated Press:

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Please provide other than a left-leaning source. And you bloviate about right-wing sources.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Associated Press left-leaning?

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Ripped and carried by MSN, a right-winged source if ever one existed. And, yes, the AP is biased to the left. Nobody cares how many "fact-check" sources you provide.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Richard, why do you never provide links to evidence supporting the assertions you make? Is it because there is no supporting evidence? Or is it because you do not know how to find it?

  • In reply to jnorto:

    I am not a reporter, so I don't have to source something for you, an audience of one. If I did, you would spit out the usual it's " a right-wing source."

    It is well known (Google is your friend) that most media employees in the MSM are registered Democrats and contribute to Democrat politicians. You can find this information yourself. No need for me to source it for you. Do you deny this? Do you deny it has any effect on their reporting?

    Why is it that the so-called virtuous and inclusive progressive-leftists, such as yourself, are so arrogant and condescending? Gosh, no, Norto, I don't know how to find information. Please tutor me. Do you see why those of opposing viewpoints from yours do not bother with a serious rebuttal or discussion to your statements?

    Then there is the matter of having an existence outside of trolling, which most of us do. Most.

  • As a former (and, I hope, future) editor, I am tired of the media being described as left-leaning. Conservatism has a misleading meaning right now, but at heart, it's a dislike of change, a favoring of things as they are. Based on the British House of Commons, Conservatives are known as the right because they sit on the right in the Commons. Liberals, favoring change (literally, freedom), sit on the left in the Commons and are known as the left.
    Note this: News stories are about what has changed, except for the rare cases when something has not changed for a record amount of time. So of course the media will look like it favors the left, because news is about change.

  • In reply to Margaret H. Laing:

    . Perhaps the more accurate term might be "progressive" and not "left." No matter the description, the MSM is not objective. The "change" they report has to now fit a narrative, a progressive narrative. Other "change" is buried or not reported, or reported with a derisive slant.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Again, the oracle speaks--but without source or support.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Once again, you don't address the issue. The MSM is mostly registered as Democrat. Most give to Democrat candidates. You can look this up yourself. Or just deny it and attack the messenger. I am not a reporter -- nor a troll with unlimited time on my hands-- and I don't have to cite sources for you. If I am not correct, prove it. Otherwise, stop replying with ad hominems

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