New York Giants at Chicago Bears Game Preview

New York Giants at Chicago Bears Game Preview


The Bears have lost two straight games and the Marc Trestman regime is now facing its first real scrutiny. They have gone from 3-0 to 3-2. So, why do I like the Chicago Bears this week?

I always like the Chicago Bears.


  • The New York Giants are one of the proudest franchises in the NFL and deserve the respect of fan bases across the country. But right now they are an abysmal team. They are not just winless through five games. They have had their doors blown off on a weekly basis, surrendering the most points in the league. (They are actually four points clear of the Jacksonville Jaguars.)
  • Giants turn the ball over more than anybody else in the league and the Bears are in the midst of a turnover drought. I would think this goes the Bears way Thursday night.
  • Giants can’t cover either of the Bears wide receivers with their current corners.
  • Giants linebackers and safeties – outside perhaps the halfway decent Antrel Rolle – should have an impossible time with a motivated Martellus Bennett and Matt Forte out of the backfield.
  • Giants are allowing 126 yards a game on the ground and only rushing for 56.
  • Bears will make starting fast a priority after slow starts in almost every game this season (including all three home games). A fast start, a double-digit first quarter lead, will end this game. Bad teams don’t rally on the road. They shut the windows and close down the shop.


  • Concern #1: Giants offense has become a one trick pony but that one trick is the deep ball to Victor Cruz. If the Bears don’t put pressure on Eli Manning and he is allowed to sit in the pocket, the Bears safeties will  be under pressure all evening.
  • Concern #2: Giants only have five sacks on the season but I’m not ready to forget the Meadowlands Massacre of October 3 2010. Bears need to be aware Jason Pierre-Paul, Justin Tuck and even Mathias Kiwanuka are capable of mustering pressure and disrupting the Bears passing attack.
  • Concern #3: There is definitive pressure on Marc Trestman and the coaching staff Thursday night. I believe they’ll respond well but that is merely a gut feeling. One does not know how a new NFL head coach will respond to pressure until he’s forced to respond to pressure. Trestman is in that spot now.


  • Giants WR Victor Cruz v. Major Wright/Chris Conte. I thought one of the most telling moments of the Bears loss to the Saints was watching Jimmy Graham catch a deep ball, basically at hip high, while Wright and Conte both looked lost with the ball in the air. The most surprising regression on the Bears roster thus far in 2013 has been at the safety position and both men must display more discipline and ball awareness Thursday night.


From Gary Myers’ column in the New York Daily News, Tom Coughlin on Eli Manning’s turnovers Sunday:

“It all comes down to the interceptions,” Coughlin said. “Two of them were just almost unbelievable…I honestly believe that he’s trying so hard to get us a win, he’s almost put too much on himself,” Coughlin said. “He keeps it all pretty much inside. I’m not making excuses. There were a couple of those plays that were terrible.”

Coughlin has no answers for what ails the Giants currently.


  • Bears RB Matt Forte. The match-up couldn’t benefit Forte more. The Giants are terribly weak defending the run. The Giants are so desperate at linebacker they traded for Jon Beason – a player who lost his starting job to former Giant Chase Blackburn. The Giants are on the road, on a short week, with little time to game plan. If Forte is ever going to have one of those run for a hundred/catch for a hundred performances, this seems to be the perfect storm.


And really…how good was John Madden at calling football games? Madden has to be the most entertaining color commentator in the history of sports. (My vote for play-by-play man goes to Vin Scully.)


  • Jay Cutler will throw for between 325-350 yards.


  • If the Bears don’t turn the ball over Thursday night they should win comfortably and that’s exactly what I expect. Cutler and Bears offense deliver a workmanlike performance and pull away as the second half progresses.


  • Chicago Bears 34, New York Giants 17


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  • Sure hope this is not the first trap game of the year for us.

  • How can you have a trap game off two losses?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Being overconfident that you will beat someone based on the fact that they are winless.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    But that's not being trapped. That's being stupid. Trap game has to come either after an emotional game or before a big one.

    If Bears are overconfident they can beat anyone on three days of prep off two losses they don't have much of a coaching staff.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Perhaps my definition is a little out of the ordinary then.

    To me, a trap game is one against a team you should beat "on paper" but lose because you are not mentally prepared for the game.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Can you say Detroit Lions and New Oleans Saints?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:


  • From Yahoo:
    "It's definitely a lot different," Wootton said. "The contact is shorter. Guards are a lot shorter and stouter, so a lot of it is pad level and getting off the ball. You can't take a long step, as I did at the end, so it's definitely an adjustment."

    Wootton had played inside on third down rush situations occasionally, but never every down like the Bears are planning to use him.

    "The biggest thing is that you've got to take a shorter, six-inch step and really get your feet in the ground because if you take too long of a step they're really going to be able to get you off balance," he said. "It's definitely an adjustment in there, but I got the hang of it during the game."

    Never thought/knew about that stuff - hopefully this adjustment does not lead to injury because of unfamiliarity with the footwork.

  • UH ohhhh. Guess what day it isss? GUESS. WHAT. DAY. IT. IS.

    Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike. Mike. What day is it Mike?

    Julie. C'mahn Julie, I know you know what day it is...

  • In reply to Shady:


    (funniest part of that commercial... how fucking goofy camels walk)

  • That Sean Lendetta punt was one of my favorite plays of the 1985 season (and postseason). It was that point when I and other Bears fans knew the Super Bowl was in the bag.

    And Sean Gayle (my avatar) recovered the muff for the TD. A very underrated safety, and I'd kill for a player of his quality at S now. He was a hitter AND a tackler--I still get boners thinking about his perfect form-tackle on Herschel Walker...

  • Two things that bode well for us; we usually do OK against big backs. It's the little, shifty guys that cause us trouble. Brandon Jacobs is not little or shifty. Also, Prince Akamura will be covering Brandon, Trumaine McBride (yes, that Trumaine McBride) will be covering Alshon. TB will be giving up 6 inches and 30 lbs. Unless we take these guys lightly or the planets align so the G-Men get every break in the book, we should win this one going away. I'm still nervous.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Trumaine McBride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The WR's have to be shitting themselves right now. This is a great opportunity to use the shit out of Forte, MBennett, Marshall and Jeffrey.
    Pound the rock and then pound the playaction pass into the short seam.
    WR screens and plenty of hot WR on DB blocking action.

    I feel that Eli will have a good game but Giants are so banged up at every position.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    aside from not being little or shifty, brandon jacobs is also not good.

  • What the fuck is a Flula?

    I'm not sure, but it's entertaining:

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Got I luv za geerman akcent... as za shadman vill tell you all. He doz it vegjy vell.

    Zis iz za besht veedeo zat i've seen in a vile.

  • Dear Marc Trestman and Aaron Kromer, please make sure the offense is prepared for the blitz this week. I'm thinking something along the lines of what you had prepared for the Steelers game?

    Much like Dick Lebeau and Rob Ryan, Perry Fewell likes to get after the QB with exotic blitzes and extra pass rushers. And considering Fewell's defense knocked out both Cutler and Collins last time these teams met, there's about a 100% chance he'll try to do it again. Be prepared.

  • In reply to Shady:

    exactly Shady. The way the offense schemed against the Steelers pressure was beautiful. Runs and quick, chain moving throws to cancel out the exotic blitzes.

  • Effective points from the Frontline documentary last night:

    Q. When did the NFL really KNOW that concussions caused brain damage.
    A. An internal report they themselves conducted and subsequently leaked from 2000 stated that they knew they had a problem on their hands and the causation was likely.

    Q. How did Roger get his job?
    A. He was the son of the Senator from New York, who twisted Roselle's arm to allow his son to be Roselle's limo driver. From there, he worked his way up, like a virus.

    Q. Did they railroad Bennet Omalu who was the pathologist in Pittsburgh who started this with the Webster case?
    A. They did everything possible, including pressuring the Neurology journal to blacklist him and directly threatening him.

    Q. Did they delibrately manipulate Troy Seau, Junior's son, to keep the brain away from the BU center, even though the NFL donated $35M to the center and promised all brains would go there?
    A. They did. They put the squeeze on the kid and his mom, but once reporters from the NYT got wind it was happening, they started writing stories.

    Q. How did Roger cover his ass?
    A. He tried to give the brain to a neutral 3rd party, the NIH.

    Q. How did that work out for him?
    A. Badly. They found Junior's brain was riddled with Tau in a way that normal brains of athletes his age had never been.

    Q. Of all the players who have killed themselves who were in the NFL - well, first, how many brains has BU collected from former NFL players that either died of ancillary causes or from suicide?
    A. 46 brains. The incidence of suicide among ex-NFL players is 21 times the national rate.

    Q. How many of those 46 players had CTE?
    A. 45 of them.

    Q. Statistically, is that possible due to chance?
    A. Given how deviant those brains are from normal, no.

    Q. The 21 year old hard hitting high school safety who shot himself, did he have CTE?
    A. yes, he had CTE and his brain was in a stage closer to somebody who was 50.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yikes, I wonder how long it will take for the NFL to counter those claims. Rebuttal anyone?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    when Dr.McKee was talking about that and said, 'we've tested 46 brains and 45 of those 46 have CTE'

    I was like, holy shit!!! Dude, if that's not causational proof, I aint know what iz.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Also, you may stream the whole thing here:

    Also, as much as MB hates the guy - Don Banks is the only guy who is an NFL journalist tweeting about it.

    Just so we know whose bread is buttered where. Such as Peter King, the one guy who works at SI who should be on top of the story - nada. Inside the NFL, the weekly show - nada. Silencio.

    As for myself, after Duerson - I've reached a crisis of confidence about this.

    Ditka - remember when he was the most outspoken public advocate for the rights of ex-NFL players? Remember when he was at the forefront?

    Now he has a sports position with CBS, and Halas Hall has decided to retire his number and suddenly - nothing. After the $735M settlement, if there was ANYBODY who should have spoken out - it was Ditka. But nothing. Silencio.

    I don't know. I am trading in my copy of Madden 25 tonight. I will catch the rest of this season on tv, as long as it's free over the airwaves.

    But I may have turned a corner, personally. Can't feed the beast anymore. Football worship in the country has to stop - we are wrecking people for some idea of gladiatorial glory.

    I am afraid I have to stand with Harry Carson, ex-Giants LB, at the end of the documentary. We all accepted the knees, the joints and the bones - everybody was a willing participant in that and there was no mercy expected for the broken warrior at age 50. But this is not humane, to watch people shrivel and die and go insane like Seau and Duerson.

    It's not going to stop until people walk away. So, you may choose to stay. This is certainly no fun, having grown up a lifelong Bears fan, the idea of the sport defining the citzens, more so in Pittsburgh than Chicago but growing up southsider it was a deep cultural thing. But it's got to stop - I cannot, personally, stop deluding myself that helmet technology is going to fix this. It is not.

    The 21 year old kid, he never had a concussion. Now they are sure that the sub-concussive hits also cause Tau over time.

    Not everyone gets it. Some seem genetically immune to Tau build-up in the brain from concussive hits. If you are one of those people that played the game heavily, then for your sake I hope you belong to that group. But for those who do not have genetic defenses, the cost is simply too high.

    Like I said, to each his own. We all have to reach our own conclusions here - but let's not pretend that Roger and Paul Tag at least, are not creatures of evil, no less so than the Big Tobacco executives. And that's what this really is - it's the death of the sport - and unfortunately, in my estimation and the estimation of those looking at this rationally, there has come a tipping point. It needs to shut down. It won't. Not for at least another decade, and maybe not then. But it will.

    The DoJ is looking at Goodell closely right now. The man may be prosecuted, although I doubt it, he'll never see the inside of a prison. But what's clear is that he railroaded the science, and for that he should step down today.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, GP. That was a crazy documentary. The levels the NFL went to derail good science was what surprised me. Goodell instituted the new concussion rules immediately after the senate hearing where one senator publicly compared the NFL to big Tobacco. Face Saving Maneuver much? And the NFL donated 1 million dollars to BU. Sounds nice, but 1 million dollars is nothing compared to what the NFL should have donated.

    As for my personal stance on it. All I can say is I would gladly go crazy to provide generational wealth for my family. But how many players can actually provide that? And what about the amateur athlete? I'll keep watching the NFL, but I'm not so sure I'll let my kids play. I know I won't let them play pop Warner. That shit is basically child abuse.

    Maybe when my kids reach high school. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I hope they don't want to play.

  • The NFL initially donated $1M to research as a token gesture.

    One the Nigerian doc had been scared off and left Pittsburgh, and Boston started doing heavy research into this and presented it to the NFL at the meeting, they responded by donating $35M to BU and the CTE Center.

    It was brilliant politics. Ann McKee is a big thorn in their side. She is too well respected and too good at her work to be railroaded like the Nigerian Nightmare.

    So, what do they do? They buy off her employer. Do you not think by giving BU a giant pile of cash that the NFL cannot now corrupt her peers and play politics inside BU? Of course they can. With the insipid message of "there's more money where that came from if you make us happy".

    Another stalling tactic, albeit an inspired one.

  • Doc, based on my experience, I probably wouldn't let my kids play if I had any.

    I played organized football for 7 years from 9-15. I absolutely loved every minute of it. I was little, but I was very aggressive and better than most kids.

    When I was 11 or 12 I played option QB on a really shitty team, where I ran the ball most plays. in one game, I rolled out and got creamed when I threw the ball, banging the back of my head and going unconscious. When I came to, there was an ambulance and my parents by me already on the field. I must have been out for several minutes. I remembered the rest of the night, but it was like a dream.

    A week or two later I got knocked out again and had the ambulance on the field. I came to much sooner than the first time.

    2 or 3 times in the next few games I got my bell rung, but would finish the game after taking a series or two off.

    I got my bell rung many other times after that. I played tackle football most weekends in the fall into my 20's in pick up games, usually against bigger, older guys.

    Back then no one thought anything bad about it, but I'm sure I had multiple concussions. Guys would just laugh and give you shit when you got wobbly. As Captain Hindsight would say, all the concussions that one season were all probably related to the first.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm having similar issues with wanting to remain a fan but also knowing what's happened.

    Ultimately, the fans decide whether this is alright or not. I think it will probably take something pretty big to set us off and really affect a change. A death on the field, a player shooting his teammates, etc.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    Or is if effect? Whatever.

  • Well Jeffrey, I hope things go as you say on Thursday. Call your bookie's boys, skimming over Jeff's comments translates to a 44-0 Bears shellacking of the G-Strings.

  • Eli Manning is an enigma. I remember when I first laid eyes on that guy and I thought " Peyton Manning has a retarded little brother?" Not all that surprising because you can see the tainted gene pool all over Peyton's face. Then Eli wins two Superbowls and I'm thinking "maybe he's not a retard" Now after four games this year it appears that he is indeed a retard and by being given a starting spot on my squad I'm wondering if I too am a retard.

  • I 100% agree with your last paragraph. 100. Percent.

    I also agree that it's similar to the tobacco industry (as that one congress woman stated), but football will never ever shut down. Maybe back in the 70's before it because america's real game... before it became a $8B/year business, but never now – waaay too many $ and cents. And last I checked, you can still buy ciggies in every supermarket, convenience store, and smoke shop in the world.

    And don't get too down on the guys making a living off the NFL and not biting the hand that feeds. Basic human nature my maings... self-preservation, strongest inherent impulse there is. Money/power/security talks baby.

    And although last night had a profound effect on me and I was probably just as shocked/awed as you were watching, I’m not going as hardcore about it as you are. I look at it this way (as the same argument shady and I had last thread about fat lazy people and bad but delicious food)...

    These guys might not have known the full effects, but they signed on to destroy their bodies and pretty much accepted that they wouldn’t be able to physically function properly while still pretty young. Also, take into account that many of these guys come from tough upbringings and have an opty to make millions of dollars playing the best/most fun game in the world… getting adoration wherever they go. I don’t know of many other professions where you can play a game you love for 6 months of the year and spend the rest of the year working out, playing xbox, and spending your millions partying like its 1999 with hot bitches in the VIP sections of the hottest clooobs.

    I bet if you took a poll a pretty big margin of NFL players (I’d guess 95%+) would still sign up for the job/pay/life/etc… despite the new grisly warning message on the package (in the last 2-4 years). Without another opty even close for many of these kids, what’s the alternative? Menial job for min wage? Gangs? Drugs? Obviously, not for every player, but a pretty large portion lean on sports as their ‘only way out’.

    And I still see people fucking smoking like chimneys and they’re now well aware of the risks and they’re definitely not getting paid millions to smoke.

    For me the biggest thing is… I will NOT let my son play the game I love. It makes me really sad because football played a very big part in making me the person I am today. It taught me toughness, leadership, perseverance, teamwork, friendship, etc… etc… and I feel strongly you can’t and won’t get what you get from football in any other sport – because of the war like nature and the bonds it forces you to make with your teammates… and I’ll obviously never allow my kids to go to war.

    Net-net for me… lynch good ol’ roge good (he deserves every single bit of it, but you’re right he’ll never get touched), tell kids/mom/dads the risk, and let them make their own informed decisions about the opty vs the risk. The bottom line for me is that my kid aint playing unless they invent a helmet that stops CTE 100%, or a test is devised to tell if you’re genetically predisposed to getting it and he doesn’t have it.

    As for me? I prided myself on being a bit hitter and used my head every chance I got. If I am predisposed to getting it, I can 100% assure you I already have it up there. ce la vi. It’s either that or cancer, or a bus, or the zombie apocalypse. I’ve already told myself, if I can make it to see my daughter and son’s weddings and see my grandkids, I’ll be ready to check out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sorry, this was obviously in response to GP's post above

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    A scan of 384 Active NFL Player Twitter feeds reveal not one tweet about the documentary today.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And I still see people fucking smoking like chimneys and they’re now well aware of the risks and they’re definitely not getting paid millions to smoke.

    Let me rebut that one, quickly.

    The downside to society of allowing people to smoke after being told it will kill them, is their personal medical bills and anybody in range of the 2nd hand smoke.

    The downside to society of allowing people's brains to be riddled with Tau until no longer rational is often a lot of suicides and heartaches. That's what it's been so far. But one of these days, somebody with CTE like an ex-player is going to light up a building with a fully auto MG and then it becomes everybody's problem.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Doesn't smoking drive up the costs of healthcare for everyone if your on a group plan?

    Also, I think we may want to focus on the MILLIONS of people with mental illness, depression and the aftereffects on the family and the person that don't play professional football voluntarily before we truly worry about creating a force of machine gun wielding Tau zombies linebackers from the late 80's and early 90's shooting up shopping centers.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    lol, that would have been a funny comment if I didn't fuck up the spelling in an attempt to type too quickly.

    I really just wanted to say Tau zombie linebackers. :)

  • In reply to Waffle:

    In the group plan I have, age of each worker is the top determinant of the premium. Smokers also pay more than non smokers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree with ya MB. The only difference in the analogy is tobacco is physically addictive. Not saying people can't quit. My mother smoked 2-3 packs/day for 40+ years and quit cold turkey after surgery for a spot on her lung. However, my mom was one determined individual. Bless her soul. Most people with addictive personalities aren't made of such stern stuff.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    a lot of pro football players have addictive/alpha personalities. Do you think they will ever do a study of the alphas in our society and how their brains are configured compared to the average mouth breather? I'm being serious.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I would be SERIOUSLY interested in reading that study.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've always wondered what, if any, are the differences in brain chemistry/makeup between CEO type alpha dogs, inventors, entrepreneurs and high level professionals and guys that will show up at Matt Schaub's house and of course the spectrum of guys in between.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Alpha-males tend to be risk takers.

    It's a common misconception that alpha-males only populate certain fields, like sports, business, military, etc but alpha-males populate ALL fields.

    Yes, the head honcho of gardening is probably an alpha-male.

    Look at Gordon Ramsey. Most ppl before he came along probably envisioned the top chefs as some french pansies cooking suffles in neon spandex. Not so.

    I know a scientist, and he is very adamant about making a great discovery before the age of 35. He asserts most major scientific discoveries were made before that age.

    That once a scientist establishes a career, reputation, and family, that he then becomes risk-averse, which never leads to radical breakthroughs.

    I read somewhere that a poll was conducted of top entrepreneurs. The question: if you knew then what you know now, would you have taken the same risk?

    Almost all of them responded 'No.' That in retrospect, their actions and goals bordered on delusional.

    We only see the movies of "successful" delusions, which is enough to inspire the next generation of mad-genius-alphamales.

    But there's always a price. CTE is that price in football.

  • I can tell stories of 'angel funds' like the tech coast angles.

    Having dealt with 3-4 of these groups... they are made up of ultra-successful entrepreneurs who not sit on these boards and have new companies present to them for small A and sub-A rounds. these guys were mack daddies and blew out at least one and many times multiple start ups.

    Guess what, now that they have the money and the position of power they are all ultra-conservative (even to the level of 'massive pussies') with their cash. It's like wringing blood from a stone... and when they do offer it, the terms are egregious to the founders. Classic example.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That documentary is startling, to say the least.

    I think I mentioned this antidote before, but I'll repeat it since it's relevant (if I have time, I may write up a piece about CTE). It might be long, but bare with me.

    Scene: sometime in 1994.

    It was a rainy day. Me and my best bud needed a ride home after school (We lived in the next district). A friend of ours luckily obliged. Unfortunately, we took the ride. This friend had one of those big trucks but with small wheels (I guess it was cool in those days). What happened? Not really sure.

    We turned the corner, and next thing I know, I'm in the back of the truck and everyone is unconscious or moaning. It took a few seconds, but I started shaking everyone to wake up. For some reason, I believed the truck was about to explode (seeing the front smashed up against the window put that thought into my head).

    We get out. I help my best friend walk to the sidewalk and lean against the fence. It fences the football field. Needless to say, since it was after school, so there were still a lot of students around, wondering WTF happened.

    I began stretching my neck, and cracking it (dumb in retrospect), then I suddenly see blood running down my hand and forearm. My other friend informs me, '"Ace, your head's bleeding". I didn't panic because I was still sort of numb. I asked to borrow his shirt, and the fucker didn't want to lend it to me because he didn't want to stain it! Anyhow, he eventually takes it off, and I put it to the back of my head (Apparently I flew and hit the windshield, slicing the back of my head).

    Anyhow, the ambulance arrives, and the paramedics begin asking their questions: how old are you? what's your name? do you know where you're at? I was OK, but the passenger was ALL FUCKED UP. He couldn't remember shit. He kept scanning his memory, knowing he knew the answers, then getting frustrating and saying, "Fuck. I don't know - I don't know."

    They took us all away to the hospital. They forced me to get on a stretcher, which I was vehemently protesting because I didn't want to look uncool in front of the school (ahhhh high-school).

    They stitched up the back of my head. Nothing serious, luckily.

    The crazy part? Me and my bf were supposed to perform at a talent show that night. The crazier part. We almost did anyways, but my BF was so fucking sore he could barely move, and that more than anything was why we didn't perform. That's how little we thought of concussions.

    Fast forward a few months. I'm on the sidelines and the specials are on the field. Tonoko runs down field and just blasts the KR. I mean, SNAP. The whole stadium could hear it.

    He then started running to the sidelines. The OTHER sidelines. The opponents then began pointing to our sidelines, and he sort of zig zagged his way over.

    The assistant coach began running the tests. It was the same questions, "Son, you know you're name? You know where you're at?" etc...Same results. "Fuck. Ah, no. No. Fuck. Fuck." That was it.

    But you know what? No ambulance, no nothing. He just didn't play that game. In fact, I'm pretty sure he resumed practice three days later and played the next game.

    None of us thought much about it. We all just kept grunting, "What a hit, Tonoko!" slapping his pads.

    Fast forward to my senior season, and I told the coach I was not playing football my senior year. I told him I wanted to focus on basketball (and I did since I was varsity B-ball), but part of me remembered those two incidents. I saw first hand how a football hit could be WORSE than being in a total car wreck.

    The coach just walked away without saying anything. I felt horrible, like I betrayed the team. But now I know I might have made the right decision, and if I had a kid, NO WAY would I let him play before 14.

  • Ashlon's coming out part (calm down Jimmy, not like that... NTTAWWT)

  • On a better note - for MB - M3 Limerock or new Vette?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Pretty shocking actually GP. My dad had the 'first' M3 ( Loved that car. At 16 he let me take it @ about 135 mph.

    My legacy view of the vette is that it's just a huge engine in a soft, mushy, monster just waiting to break away the second you make a tiny turn (a la the original vipers)... but seems like they've cleaned it up quite a bit. Nice car.

    Not in love with the Beemer styling all that much either, just seems like they all look like a rich 16 yr old princess's first car now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    An '88 M3? Should be in every collector's stash.

    Now that was a Bimmer.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep, loved it. Was so awesome. So fun to drive. Like a gocart on rails.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've got a 2006 Mini Cooper S convertible right now and that thing is the most fun I've had in a car with my clothes on. Crossmembers on the frame mean zero flex and that thing just eats corners up.

  • Football is dangerous.....and we've all known it forever.

    I'll stop right there because the rest could be debated until the end of time.

  • All this discussion of head injuries got me thinking about Jhavid Best and how much $$ Cal raked in from his performances. Also got me thinking about the worst football injury I've seen... we all know what it was and it wasnt head trauma.

  • What was it Sac? Worst I saw was Darryl Stingley gettin paralyzed on that hit from jack Tatum.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I was thinking Johnny Knox nearly getting paralyzed on that hit against Seattle.

  • 34-17! Great minds think a like (and demented ones too, apparently).

    Check out Butch's preview. It's a little light-hearted relief from the Frontline downer. Damn.

  • Don't worry GP, goodell is all over the report last night...

    He's expanding the playoffs in 2015. Thanks Rog!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, REALLY like waddle. Smart smart guy with usually excellent and sometimes funny commentary.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Love Waddle. He's my fav. I especially like to hear him and Cutler back and forth. Waddle doesn't pamper Cutler, and sometimes Cutler can get a little edgy around him, but they both fuck around a lot. It's funny.

    I remember one radio show where someone asked, "What if Waddle was the O.C. for you Cutler?"

    Cutler, "Yeah, I don't think that would work."

    Waddle, "I would love it. First thing I would say, 'How about not throwing it to the other team there, Jay."

    Cutler, "See. I don't think it would work."

  • If anyone should have a fucked up brain, it's Waddle. He should be walking around with a full diaper with the amount of hits that dude took.

  • I'm wondering if it's not just concussions though.

    Seau, Duerson, Webster...anyone noticing a trend here?

    It seems like only DEFENSIVE players fall totally apart. Aikman and Young got knocked the fuck out on a regular basis - I saw it on TV for years.

    Maybe it has more to do with those "subconcussive" hits which defensive players (and boxers) are more prone to.

    Your brain hitting your skull on a regular basis is perhaps much more damaging then it getting knocked out in long intervals.

  • I should add offensive linemen too - some HBs (though I think Dickerson just was in it for the money).

  • Picture a brain somewhat like a bobble head attached to the brain stem. When the brain absorbs a hit that doesn't result in a concussion, there is strong research that has conclusively found that just as much damage can be done to the brain after a strong hit to the head even if a concussion doesn't occur.

  • ESPNChiBears Jeff Dickerson
    .@CSNMoonMullin points out Brandon Marshall will be ejected Thu night if he wears green cleats. Earl Bennett had similar issue 2 years ago.

    good job keeping your eye on the really critically important and egregiously dangerous stuff like the 'wrong' cleat color rog... well done man!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We really do need a gay NFL reporter to keep us apprized of all the NFL fashion trends and dances.

    Could you imagine how many gays would line up for that job? I think there'd be a 400% increase in communication majors in SF this year alone (NTTAWT?)

  • Queer eye for the buff guy?

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  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It looks like the league realized that Marshall doesn't care about the fine. They went straight for the ejection. This should provide a nice little distraction which is exactly what a 3-2 team needs.

    Another note, M.Bennett is a game time decision this week. Not cool.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    You know, I was JUST about to post the story about B. Marshall raising awareness from mental health issues by wearing those green cleats. And now they're going to eject him for it? Fuxking bullshit Goodell. Fuck you right in your fucking hypocritical face.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Jack says...

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think they are going right for the jugular with the ejection because they know that they guys that don't care about 5k to 10k will wear whatever they want and the first 2 strikes wouldn't mean anything to them. The NFL is so crazy about their uniform code.

    Bennett's orange cleats matched the jersey colors and were badass. I think the league envisions disgusting lime green cleats and wants to squash that shit.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I love Brandon Marshall, the guy has been the perfect player, spokesman and teammate since he's been here. He's done EVERYTHING right. So he wants to wear green cleats to raise awareness for mental health issues and agreed to donate whatever he's fined to charity. And now Rodger squashes that plan by threatening to eject Marshall because it doesn't fit the uniform code? Smh

    Nothing against breast cancer awareness, but the NFL goes pink for an entire month for one cause each year but ignores the rest? Who's getting paid to make these decisions? I get what could happen if each player wore whatever shoes to promote whatever cause they have, but come the fuck on Goodell. Again saying one thing but doing another completely hypocritically.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I had to do a double take there. Thought you said, "nothing against breast cancer."

  • lol

  • In reply to Shady:

    On a different note I think I'm starting to resent a lot of the Pink breast cancer "awareness" events to raise money.

    We need fucking research money not money to pay salaries of people to make people aware of a disease that we are already aware of.

    Chris Spielman had an episode of "A Football Life" done about him and they delved deeply into his wife getting all sorts of cancers over the years and how she pretty much helped start a cancer research hospital and 200 million dollars research fund over 8 or 9 years. It is now huge and an incredible source of research and funding.

    I want to fund and find a fucking cure not to fund an awareness campaign for an ongoing problem that we need to find money and resources for to cure.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I prefer "Mo-vember" myself. Maybe I can dye my stache pink and combine the two.

  • In reply to Shady:

    He's proven himself to be very hypocritical. He has definitely damaged the game during his tenure.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    What's so hypocritical about wanting to expand then season while giving $30M to research the head trauma football causes? (insert sarcasm)

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Sir I disagree with your last statement!!!



    Note that my anger here is *not* directed at you.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Simmer down, folks...,0,3179039.story

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Marshall is going to look surreal running around with hot pink and lime green flying everywhere. Cutler will have no problem seeing him on the field....not that he does normally.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


    Thanks for the update, glad to hear they're doing the right thing. Not sure how these erroneous reports come up, but I'm assuming it's related to twitter.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shady, maybe November can be "prostrate cancer awareness month"? Remind the guys to get their bums checked. The players can wear brown shoes, gloves, and wristbands and we can all put brown ribbons on our cars to show how much we care.

  • "I don't think I'm playing lousy," Eli Manning said in his weekly radio appearance on WFAN radio. "I think I'm seeing the defenses well. I think I'm throwing the ball accurately. So I feel like I'm in sync, my fundamentals are good, everything's kind of in place."

    Search: Manning, Eli.

    Result: See "Delusional".

  • Anyone else just not afraid of Frisco this year?

  • I love football.

  • Pro's of the NFL
    1. Gifted athletes in dangerous social economic situations have shot at getting out of the Ghetto or at the very least, they have the opportunity achieve a scholarship.
    2. I wonder how many people escape poverty, drug addiction and even death by pouring themselves into a sport pursuing a career or scholarship? Shannon Sharpe's hall of fame induction speech choked me up..
    3. The comfort a young man finds in life in a sport that gives him something to live for when everything else around him is shit.
    4. The joy of Americans being able to watch the sport they love on any given Sunday for 4 months out of the year.
    5. The millions of dollars given to charities all around the world.

    Cons of playing in the NFL.
    1. Daryl Singley
    2. Dave Duerson
    3. Pac Man Jones
    4. Aaron Hernandez
    5. Concussions and every other debilitating ailment caused by playing the sport.

  • you're welcome

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll gladly put my face between those shaking bags. She can give me CTE all she wants.

  • this


    Dude, listen to the cop's lawyer... that dude can't be serious. That's gotta be a fake accent right?

    Da Two Yoots

    Jesus. Fucking meatball.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • I've been on the CTE train longer than most of you guys. I have an eighth grader playing defensive tackle.

    When CTE really hit the news cycle I started looking at it myself. I've spoken with Docs from the Cleveland Clinic, the Mayo Clinic and Walter Reed's brain trauma division.

    At the end of the day, here's what I've concluded for my son. The world is full men that played the game and have no life altering disease as a result. The longer you play the game , the worse it is for you. More importantly, the higher the level you play, the worse it is for you. Fifteen years as an NFL linebacker is exponentially worse than a guy with four years of high school ball on his resume.
    The advice I got from docs that have no axe to grind was that while there is an obvious inherent risk, playing football through high school will very likely have no life altering consequences for my son. He was not born with the gifts that would allow him to play beyond that. So what comes next is not on the table.

    Further, there is in my mind a question as to the origin of the problems associated with CTE. There are ex players that I'm sure are loaded with Tau but lead a normal life. My doctor, was a starting center at Michigan. I'm sure his brain is full of it. But he's a happy guy, and sharp as a tack.

    The world is full of dangerous jobs that pay far less than the NFL.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Didn't get to finish.

    I have a dangerous job and find myself in harm's way almost daily as a builder. Many of my friends and their family members work in nuclear plants. The cancer rate there is SKY high despite what the utilities will tell you. How about cops, firefighters, steel workers? The current work force in the NFL knows what its getting into. To say they no longer do is incorrect. I don't see a mass exodus occurring. Why should we care more about them than they care about themselves?

  • I know it's the BR, but...

  • You guys are slacking. How could you NOT love this. Shannnnoon Sharpe.


    New Trestman info?

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