Expectations Change But Playoffs Still Attainable With Caleb Hanie

Expectations Change But Playoffs Still Attainable With Caleb Hanie

UPDATE: Lovie Smith just stated during his Monday press conference that the Bears expect Cutler to return prior to the end of the regular season.

There is no way to positively spin losing Jay Cutler for the next six-to-eight weeks, should that turn out to be the result of his broken thumb. The Chicago Bears have become one of the best teams in football and recently, as opposing defenses have ganged up to stop Matt Forte, the primary reason has been Cutler. He has learned to maneuver around shaky pass protection and found a rhythm with his receiving corps, even including Roy Williams in the mix against the Chargers Sunday. Quite simply he is playing the position as well as anyone ever has for this organization.

And now he’s gone. The difference between six and eight weeks is drastic, however. Six weeks means he could return that second weekend in January for the wildcard round of the postseason. Eight weeks means the Bears would have to win two road games with Caleb Hanie for Cutler to return and face his buddy Aaron up at Lambeau. (And if Hanie wins two road playoff games, there will surely be those clamoring for him to keep his job.)

This injury changes the season. It changes the expectations. The 7-3 Chicago Bears are in the thick of the NFC playoff picture but getting to play a 17th game will be an uphill battle without their offensive leader and one of the best quarterbacks in the sport. Is it a long shot that Hanie can win four of the Bears remaining six games and cement them a postseason spot? Not in the slightest. The way the schedule finishes, one can easily conclude Hanie will be the best QB on the field for four of the final six games. He is better than Palko. Better than Tebow. Better than Tarvaris. Better than Ponder.

The expectations change and so does the pressure. Mike Martz has to reform the offensive system, simplify things and make protection the number one goal. The offensive line has to win the one-on-one battles inside and give Matt Forte holes to dash through. And the defense. Oh, the defense. They must become the core of this team once again. They must dominate opponents like they did last week against Detroit. They can no longer expect the offensive output they’ve been receiving and must treat every drive like they’re protecting a six-point lead with a minute to play.

Caleb Hanie will be the focus but it is incumbent upon every member of this roster to fill the void left by Cutler’s absence. If you believed this team was capable of winning the Super Bowl, and I certainly did, put those thoughts on hold for the moment. The goal now is the postseason. And that road starts Sunday in Oakland.

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  • Irish… I get (kind of) your beef against knox, but dude… we don’t have a better option. As I’ve said many times, if you don’t throw the inside, shortish stuff to him, he’s a massive deep threat… as we saw multiple times yesterday. Did you fucking see that second TD? Dude, feel free to criticize when he falls on a route and gets us an int that’s almost a pick-6 and breaks our franchise’ thumb… but calling for his ouster just makes you sound either crazy, or like you didn’t watch the game.

    Cutty… I had all my game impressions lined up, then read the news last night. Fuck man… sucks any way you cut it (see how I did that), but it is what it is I guess.

    I read on a board someone said if Tebus can do it throwing 6 times a game, we can. Interesting and somewhat ironic turn of events. I like haney, but it’s going to be a lot tougher now – not saying it can’t be done. My issue is that IF jay comes back for the playoffs… it will be after 2 months off and with a sore hand. Kinda scary. Anyway you cut it, just shitty luck during a really strong season. Going to take a full 4 phases to pull this off.

    Oh and Max … you’re a coward. And I’m not talking about your lame attempt at an inflammatory post, I’m talking about your timing. You were too busy worrying about us coming in to your house to kick your fucking ass to post before last night. Classic definition of a douchebag bully coward. Sad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're such a waste of life in the greater scheme of things. You pussies can dish it out, but you sure as hell can't take it. You reap what you sow you fucking useless twat. Karma is a bitch isn't it?

    Still holding out hope that you will take me up on my offer. Time & place...

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Calling someone out for a fight on the internet? Really? I'm sorry you were bullied in school, I am. That wasn't nice for you I'm sure. I'm sorry your mother rejected you, that must be a tough thing to go through - but can we allow that kind of direct assault on a blog member Jefe ? Aren't there rules against personal insults (Jerry Angelo aside)?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Quite the imagination I must say.

    Why must you project your earlier life on to mine?

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    criticizing another human being is a sign of extreme insecurity
    you have not done anything in life that is real
    you sir, so far as I can tell from what you write,
    are a complete phony and a fraud
    living vacariously through a football, or any sports team is an ignorant position that displays a complete lack of understanding
    there have been fools that occupy the body in life since the begining of time; and I can see that you are in that line.
    Continue to wander through the human experience and make a mess of the experience you are witnessing ; but remember this; you have no f-ing idea what you are talking about
    best to keep your archaic thought processes locked away in that selfish persona; because if you continue on your current path you will come to the end and realize that you are alone; and lived a life that was wasted on a phony propped up image of egotistical arrogance; and you will die filled with fear of breathing your last breath......because you never really found out what it is to be truelly aware of who you are.
    you have been alive this long and still have not even found out what it is you are looking for
    so you satisfy your filthy mind with momentary, temporal pleasures
    I met bullies like you in the sandbox....and rejected the mindset that you are operating from.
    Even if green bay goes undefeated and wins the superbowl; your life sentence is...... you have to wake up in that polluted skin that is called your selfish self.
    God I am so happy that I am not an ignorant fool like January23rd20011

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    Let it out!

    LOL @ you & your fake as all hell biased bull shit.

    I'm initially playful on here. Not my fault that you all REALLY live "vicariously" through the bears/football & can't handle playful jabs directed at your team. I never make it personal on here first, but I'm also no mum bitch & will not stand for people who say shit on here that they would never fathom saying to someone's face in the real world. I live in Illinois so those that attempt to hide behind the safety of their computer get called out. It's as simple as that & I can assure you that I'm no bully. It's all of you that try to "cyber-bully" me from the safety of your computer screens. I'm actually the anti-bully if you want to be real serious like you've tried to do with your drivel laden post.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    all of that was to get under your skin
    do not take it personall
    put a smile on your post or end it with some well placed sarcasm :)
    well it worked
    your mental concepts about your "I" self; are phony
    and your response shows me, you are what was previosly written....it's o.k. most people never find the truth
    words drew you out....and your mental concepts of an individual self are just your nervous system in the protection phase
    If you know who you really are none of this would matter come on down I will school you on the realities of life; any time, you may even begin to understand
    here is your first lesson neophyte

    find out where you were 8 days before you were concieved
    then come on down
    and we will talk .....face to your face
    I love helping people find out who they are

  • In reply to huntinbare:


    Are you this intellectually dishonest & full of bull shit semantics/false projections in real life too? I sincerely hope not...

    And I too would love to "talk ....face to your face", because I too "love helping find out who they are". Just in a more effective(IMO) & straight forward way...

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    you don't know where to begin to look do you
    admit it
    you sir are lost in a false sense of self

    answer the "conce"ption question
    or remain in your sandbox world
    the first thing you have to start doing is
    questioning everything that you hold onto as a framework for existence
    google advaita-vedanta

    then answer this who is it that is watching your thoughts

    your only problem is you have accepted everthing that has been poured into your head since birth without questioning it

    no crime in that
    don't know what your real foundation is
    but if it is christianity
    start with the death of self
    then proceed
    and lose the anger
    face to face with this body would be a happening for you that may be of assistance

    I will admit though that what I have encountered through personal experience is not knowledge based so it is not something learned
    it can only be experienced
    nothing concievable or percievable

    bet you didn't see this coming
    especially on a football blog

    what I look into is rare
    99.9% of humanity has no use for it so I expect some sort of negative reaction if you read this
    I realize that I will challenge your thinking and it usually drives people into either rage or indifference

    I do wish you well in whatever your endeavor
    no harm meant
    I was just havin' fun
    but this is the way I am 24-7
    and for that I offer no apology
    but you have stepped into it

    if you ever do want to take a look
    try my teacher he was a realized master, who was fearless
    Nisargadatta Maharaj
    good luck

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    You kind of remind me of that scene in Good Will Hunting when they're at the bar & the one guy is trying to recite information from books/professors to show how much more intelligent he is than Will & ends up just showing how little he really knows considering he is just parroting material & none of it is own.

    It's always the person who thinks they have it all figured out who is the one who has the least figured out in the greater scheme of things.

    I must say that you are an interesting fella, bizarre, but interesting to say the least.

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    it is about direct experience
    no mind
    been on this path for 40 years
    there is a point when it is just mental/intellectual
    but, that is not where it is at
    you are not a body
    nor a mind you exist before both
    consciosness is latent in the cell structure
    and when the sperm and egg get together
    consciossness gets activated
    it falsely assumes that it is the body/mind
    but when consciousness turns on itself it disappears
    that is the goal
    we really are one thing
    and this is all a play of independent forces
    it is difficult to see this
    but, i got bored with outward expression
    it never did anything for me growing up

    the most startling thing from my bodies perspective was dreaming the exact experiences
    for the next day the night before
    even downs to the minutest detail
    conversations ect' that sh-t started at 18
    I really had no frame of reference for that
    and neither did my freinds
    I was on my own thus the search
    there really is nothing to figure out or get
    it just exists inside of each mechanism
    as a human you get to look through the body telescope inwards and see the true self

    it really means nothing because that is the beauty of it
    it can't be coorupted
    here was a great line that was mind bending from my teacher
    the universe exists inside of you

    well good luck to the pack
    and you, it was my pleasure speaking to you
    i'm gone

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    common man, you're not dumb. It's not dishing it out when it's our team's blog and you're not supposed to be here. Don't you get that yet? I'm not talking smack on a packer blog... then I would be dishing it out and I WOULD deserve retaliation.

    How old are you Max? Don't you have a family? Kids? A decent career? How often do you ask to fight strangers on the internet? Aren't you afraid one will show up with friends? A knife? A gun?

    See thats what's wierd to me... you don't seem dumb, just an ahole.... but not dumb.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    " It's not dishing it out when it's our team's blog and you're not supposed to be here. "

    There is a huge disconnect with reality in your thought process here. You don't get to dictate who belongs here or anywhere for that matter. "Don't you get that yet"???

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nah, he made a couple of sick catches all right, but if you throw enough balls at a barrel some of them will go in. I was just pissed off that one of his clumsier moments ended up in my QB being out for the season.

    Can we make it to the playoffs without Mannelly, Williams, Carimi and Cutler? I don't know that I'd want to. If we're not in a position to beat Green Bay what's the point? I honestly thought we had a real shot at going into Lambeau and bouncing those bitches and their perfect season, rolling into the playoffs and doing it all over again. Now it's more like a prayer, so be it. Hope springs eternal however, and fractured thumb doesn't sound too horrific so who knows when he might get back?

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    there's the spirit lad

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    brother let me pick you up
    the play of forces operate independently of any humans thoughtful wishes
    no matter how much we believe that superior talent wins every time
    that is not always the case
    think about how freaky this injury and the cicumstances surrounding it are; and then dream of the possibilities that love and gratitude are what keep the whole field together

    we do not need to break the circle, of life's play in our season
    no man knows the greater plan in any way
    but reacting positively in the face of hellfire will provide solutions that can have a favorable outcome
    this is no time to scatter
    The strongest soldier fell
    but, we still have plenty of fight in us
    we need to play to our strenghts and let the chips fall
    wherever they want too

    I will say this once again
    this is just a moment in our path together
    a bad one; but, we still have not been given the 10 count
    and jay would want us to cling to hope
    not throw in the towel
    we have verterans who will go down fighting
    I believe this will be a motivating force
    instead of a destructive blow
    that has been dealt to us

  • As tough as Jay is, whatever the procedure is, I'm taking the under on the recovery time.

  • The refs were doing everything in their power to hand that to SF. I counted: 3 absolutely blatant late hits, 3 absolutely blatant Pass Interferences that weren't called, sometimes on the other side of calling the Bears on a technicality. Our O Line did their job protecting Cutler yesterday, the NFL Refs did not.

  • one word keeps going over in my mind..

    and btw it's not the good FUCK...it's the bad one...damn..well we are really going to see what this team is made of now.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    or maybe it was FUBAR...now that think of it..not sure...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    For me, it's more an expression that keeps coming to mind;

    "Fuck me runnin'"

    I still believe.

    I have no choice.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    It's a more protracted, drawn out feeling in my mind Lobo ... it's more a general 'FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!' .... like that .... over and over.

  • Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccckkkk!

  • What was turning into an epic story of redemption on Xmas night has now turned into a story about, well we'll see I suppose.

    It was great to see our offense play like a real offense, eating up field in big chunks when the D stacked the box, and when they played soft, gashing them with solid runs. Maybe we could have gone to the pass sooner, you think? Martz may be gunshy now?

    Let's hope in 6 weeks we have a raging QB controversy.

  • maybe it's karma... maybe hanie gets his revenge in GB. Fuck green bay. They almost got the beatdown by a team that we beatdown. Fuck greenbay, fuck them and their coward fans right in the face.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    LOL u mad bro?

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    You calling anyone a coward is beyond comical.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    Hey, it's the return of internet tough-guy.

    Shouldn't you be off whacking it to a Paula Deen Cookbook, cheese-dick?

    I'm consistently amazed that your ISP hasn't banned you for embarrassing the Internet.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    But I'm willing to say everything on here to your face. How about you? Time & place or STFU, "internet tough-guy".

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I've said it before - you're an idiot.
    You just want a vacation in County from your $6-an-hour job.

    Tough guy.

  • In reply to January23rd2011:

    I'll be at the Oakland Colliseum this Sunday from 11-about 5pm. I'm in section 135 row 28 and I'll be wearing a Butkus jersey. Before the game I'll be in the parking lot by a large blue charter bus and a big tailgate party. I'd LOVE to see you sweetheart! What's that? You live in some crappy little town in the middle of some god forsaken frozen wasteland? Shocker!

  • A beatdown in Oakland's parking lot doesn't even draw cops anymore.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They're too busy beating down hippies themselves.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    some day I will explain Karma to you all maybe, next summer when things are slack
    I have yet to see that word used in proper context
    at least from the traditional perspective

    there is no one being punished
    and life forces do not keep a scorecard

    this play of life that we perform in
    is influenced by independent forces
    and every movement was recorded in our seed at conception
    just remain positive about your daily expression; and be ready for future blessings
    right now it looks like death; but from death life is ressurected
    this is why I watch; because the ride is so f-ing entertaining
    that it shakes your system to it's very core

    you are absolutely right about those greenbay cowards though
    f- the packer fans that come here to ridicule

  • In reply to huntinbare:


  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • Oakland will be a great test. We can lose to Oakland and still make the post-season. But we'll need to see what Hanie can do this week.

    This is the week where we figure out what we've got. If Oakland sells out to stop the run, let's see if the O-line can stop the extra pressure that comes from 8 and 9 man fronts; let's see if Hanie can take advantage of open passing lanes; let's see if the recievers win the one on one matchups to give him somewhere to throw.

    If Oakland respects the pass, let's see if we can see some more production from Barber, and some MVP moves from Forte. When Cutler went down, the first thought I had was "wow, I miss Carimi and Williams." Let's see the O-line show they can still get Matt into space.

    We've got a much easier schedule than Detroit, NYG or Philly down the stretch. If we're on par with Oakland with Hanie at the helm, we can mop up the rest of the AFC West plus Minny and be in a solid position for the 6 seed - even the 5 seed.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:


  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    There is no way Oakland will respect the pass. I don't know who the Oakland coach is, but he won't be that stupid. We're gonna need some kind of counter to a stacked box. I don't think screens would work. Time for our TEs to strap it on.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    We might miss Mannelly more than any of them. It might be an idea to abandon punts and FGs unless absolutely necessary. Oakland are a lot better than people might give them credit for ... Palmer has his moments ... Bush is a load .... Wimbley will be a nightmare for Hanie. And what happened to our defensive line ? Peppers is the only one stepping up as far as I can see - San Diego's line was weakened and we couldn't sack Rivers once? How much has Hanie come on? Practically zero chemistry with Roy and Earl ... if we lose one this could be it.

  • I'm bummed, not only as a fan but for this group of Bears. It's a disheartening loss. However, aside from the pick-6, Hanie did an admirable job in the NFC championship game. As Jeff said, he is better than most of the QBs on the remainder of the schedule. Beating the Raiders is going to be tough, but with the Chiefs, Broncos and Seahawks coming up, it should give him time to settle in and wrap up the season strong against the Packers and Vikings. It's going to be an interesting December to say the least.

    Go Bears!

  • Indeed it shall be interesting.

    Lots of good points in this thread already. Sometimes, things like this will kill a team. Other times, it binds them to common purpose like few other things will.

    Fans should bank on the latter - fans MUST bank on the latter.

    Plain and simple, our team needs us more now than before. Be there. Bear Down.

  • I have confidence in Caleb Hanie. I like our schedule, and I think our guys will pull it off.

  • Didn't Clutts have to run back to Fresno for the birth of his kid? Has the shock of twins sunk in yet Fres? The screaming in stereo is quite something, but the rest of it is just pure joy.

  • Mannelly is out for the season - torn ACL.

    Time to find a new long-snapper.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    we already have one... CLUUTTTTSSS! Dude was perfect taking over for mannelly last night. Dude is a STUD!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    more like a utility man

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Yeah, like Schneider was "just" a repairman.

    Clutts is awesome. We will sign a long-snapper, but our new FB is quite the football player.
    Hell, make him the 3rd-string QB...would you be surprised if he threw a TD pass on his first snap?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You know that #CluttsDoesIt is going to take twitter by storm.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    no, it's true. I swear. I would be.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's no Adam Podlesh, that's for sure.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • Jay is having surgery.

  • Caleb needs to bring back his Championshp game mustache for the stretch run. Then, and only then will I be confident

  • It's a 'young-dad' mustache.

  • Two Words:

    Jeff Hostetler.

    I still believe.

  • Hey Cheese... this is what we were trying to tell you.

    Shocking that peter king actually was useful (well, his intern), but here it is:

    "For all of you (and me, too) starting to get interested in the Packer run at perfection, keep in mind that they have a game with Chicago remaining -- on Christmas night at Lambeau Field.

    Margin of victory in the last six Bear-Packer meetings: 3, 6, 7, 3, 7, 10.

    Green Bay's 4-2 in those six games, but in the immortal words of Laura King: I'm just SAYING.

    One of those Packer seven-point wins came late last season, when Chicago had absolutely nothing to play for, and powerful Green Bay had one drive of more than 35 yards in 13 possessions. Pack won 10-3.

    Green Bay and Chicago played 12 quarters last season, including the NFC title game at Soldier Field. Discounting defensive scores, the composite score: Packers 41, Bears 37.

    The Cutler injury obviously will play a role in the December matchup, but I will be surprised if the Bears go quietly into the night when they play Green Bay."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/21/Week11/index.html#ixzz1eMLPoQXH

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and one classic sloppy ignorant peter king blunder:

    "e. B.J. Raji. The Fridge, 26 years later."

    Please, don't insult a legend comparing him to the packer POS raji. Disgusting.

    But one thing I did notice... somefuckingone might want to cover jordy ice ice baby nelson. Jesus tampa.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Objectively speaking, Raji is on pace to surpass the Fridge in production. You could even make a case that he could surpass Perry in legend, after having scored the biggest touchdown in the history of the rivalry. The Fridge was the original, so you have to give him the nod there, but Raji is a formidable heir.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Guy McIntyre was the original. Terrell Brown may be the end of the line.


  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Man, that's a big dude. If he can't make it in football, there is always WWE...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Interestingly enough, the two 3-point games in the last 6 meetings were both Bears last-second FGs.

    And the NFC Championship game doesn't count as one of the previous 6 meetings? That's an interesting way to select data......as is only taking the second game of the 2008 season and not the first.

    Margin of victory for Packers' Aaron Rodgers versus the Bears (All seven meetings), since that was the original discussion, wasn't it (whether or not the Bears "contain" Rodgers)?:

    +34, -3, +6, +7, -3, +7, +7, +10. That's +65 over 6 Games.

    I understand that Margin of Victory does not necessarily parallel QB performance, but since you're using it to make your argument, I'll just stick with it.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    +65 over 7 games**

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    +65 over 8 games. I'm an idiot

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Those numbers are definitely cherry picked. Like in a court of law, the numbers have been tampered with, & you have to throw them all out. The NFC Championship game is worth more than the previous 6 games combined, don't know why some people completely ignore playoff results & stats while trying to make a point.

    Having said that, GB should have everything locked up, should be more susceptible to distractions playing on Christmas night in the comfort of their own place because of it, while the Bears will be fighting for their playoff lives, and trying to keep the rival Packers from running the table. Bears will have the intangibles, hopefully they will have no more serious injuries, and Hanie proves capable.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    " One of those Packer seven-point wins came late last season, when Chicago had absolutely nothing to play for, and powerful Green Bay had one drive of more than 35 yards in 13 possessions. Pack won 10-3. "

    Yet they played all their starters all game trying to knock the eventual NFC Champs out so they couldn't become.. um.. well.. the NFC Champs like they did.

    I do agree that the game was close though, but that was due to the shitty field & freezing weather rather than anything that average bear team did. Face it, the Packers can only be slowed down by shitty conditions. We both know it.

  • I'm not a doctor, but have had orthopaedic surgery - it's not a good sign that they need to operate. Recovery will be longer, there will be more initial swelling, more scar tissue to heal afterwards, more weakness in the muscle(s) that are cut - all bad things.

    The good thing is that the team is thinking long term. I think that's the right call.

    I'm also curious where the break is and what the surgery will be like. Most likely there will be pins or plates involved. Has anyone seen a graphic?

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I'm wondering how much thumb muscle is used in throwing a spiral, and I'm not coming up with a lot. I'm all for shorter routes anyway.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    It hurts like hell.. because your grip is what helps you throw harder.

    I dislocated my thumb this year and I still can't throw.

  • I want one thing.

    I want our defense to come alive and smash every fucking team. We will win with or without a qb because hell, it sounds like the Chicago way anyways.

  • like school on saturday.... nooooo claaaaass:

    (but it was a pretty good rendition)

  • Posted from Previous Thread:

    "Hanie will do us fine. I'm not worried to be honest. Sure, I love Jay and I'll miss him but Hanie proved his worth to me last year as I watched him from the stands at the NFC Championship game, almost putting us into the Super Bowl.

    I think he's a great back up and as long as the rest of the team plays the way they are playing now we should be good. It was a fluke that Jay got hurt the way he did, at least he didn't walk away after that pick...he went after the ball carrier and tried to stop him. He ain't no pussy!"

    I'd like to add that I am usually one of the first ones on this blog to scream gloom and doom but not this time. I think Hanie will step up and play well and I do believe that Jay WILL be back for the play-offs. Knowing what kind of player he is, he's come back. Sure, it's a bummer but it's not over...not by a long shot.

    "He is better than Palko. Better than Tebow. Better than Tarvaris. Better than Ponder." Damn right Jeff! Maybe that's why I'm not as worried about this as most.


  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    The Seahawks tore Baltimore a new one, and Tarvaris actually looked okay. Shutting down the run is what they do, that's no gimme either.

  • http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d8244aecd/WK-11-Can-t-Miss-Play-Ref-is-under-the-pile?module=HP11_content_stream

    you guys see this? did brandon abandeyo put on like 30-40 lbs of muscle since he left us, or is it just me? Damn, why'd we let him go again?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Was he the one who got caught using a illegal style of steroids basically ?

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Nope, that was his brother.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    $$$...$2 million signing bonus by the Ravens for a ST player that doesn't kick or return, or take any snaps on D. That's some dough, and I think we were restructuring the GOAT's contract during the same off-season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ahhh... yep, that's some cash... although I did see him take quite a few snaps on D in one of the ravens games I watched earlier in the year. I think at OLB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, he's played more...and now with Lewis out...The dude is scary big.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    damn, says he's only 6'1" 225. Looks a whole lot bigger than that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I wouldn't try and steal his Fruity Pebbles.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yep, it wasn't just the cash either. The key selling point was the Ravens offered him a chance to play on D, whereas the Bears saw him strictly as a ST player.

    As for Ron Winters, I guess he got to see first-hand what goes on at the bottom of the pile! Most refs probably never find out, haha...

  • Roommate brought up a great point.

    I metioned we do not run a Martz offense anymore and said " well go get Brett Farve for six weeks"

    Think Brett would love to stick it to GreenBay?

    I kid I kid.

  • In reply to Artoo:

    Your mom is hella-smart, Artoo :o)

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:


  • What a fucking pisser. We were getting to the point where I could imagine us beating the Pack. Now, no fucking chance this year. Best case scenario we battle our asses off to make it to the tourney, only to have either Caleb or a rusty ass Cutler at the helm. Really hard to remain optimistic about this. We're going from Cutler, who when good is capable of putting the team on his shoulders like no other QB I've ever seen in Chi, to Caleb fucking Hanie. He's a fine backup, but he's no Rex Grossman, and he's no Kyle Orton. That is not good for us fella's. Fuck, Fuck, Fuck.

    I hope Suh breaks his wrist fist fucking Rodgers to death this weekend.


  • Four of the Bears final six games are against teams with records at .500 or worse. Our defense and special teams are two of the best in football and although he'll be a bit shaky, Caleb Hanie is a badass. My impression is that he and Cutler have a good rapport so he'll feel comfortable knowing he has someone to turn to outside of Martz. In addition, I think some of Cutler's leadership, chippiness and style of play have rubbed off on him. We'll know a lot more about how this will play out after facing the Raiders, but to those at ESFuckinPN saying that the Bears season is over ... well, they just flat out don't know this team.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Has anyone noticed that yardage wise, our offense and defense are both ranked 25th in the NFL? Not bad for a team at 7-3.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Yardage is overrated. In the end, all that matters are wins.

  • http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/21/doctor-cutler-could-go-back-to-playing-in-6-weeks-or-fewer/

    Best case scenario in this MDs opinion was 3 weeks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Lovie seemed optimistic he could be back by the GB or Viking game.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yep, and if Hanie holds down the fort reasonably well, that would give the offense time to get back into a groove with Cutty.

    It would be ideal to get him back for at least one regular season start before the wildcard round.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It would. I'd hate to count on him knocking the rust off while on the road against a division winner. Wouldn't count them out, but it be nice to get him back for GB.

  • I am in disbelief. Both because he is out with a broken thumb that didn't keep him out in this game, and... did. you. see. the sweater. Post game conference jay talks with this sweater. I dunno.. go watch it it is hilarious. For whatever reason I suspect that sweater was either a lost bet or a jibe at something. Some A-hole was telling me last night that Cutler isn't the real deal, it happens every game and makes me happy to have the 6 jersey so that I can explain to them why they are wrong. I am a pretty good explainer.

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    I agree on the thumb and the sweater, irooted. Hell, he completed a couple of passes after the injury and nobody seemed to even know about the thumb until an hour or two after the game. But sometimes those injuries are a bit sneaky.

    And that sweater. Bold. Real bold. That's one of those you don't have to wear a coat over. You can't sit through dinner in that thing - you'd die of heatstroke.

    We're going to get into the playoffs securing the third seed. Just wait and see.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    That sweater's a present from Kristin. Guaranteed.

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    It's Mr. Rogers neighborhood...

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    mr rogers is dead. Neighborhood is run by the man wearing the sweater.

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    I think Cutler is a pretty good explainer...

  • In reply to Michael L:

    Agree, hope we get him back this year.

  • I'm not feeling real positive about the Oakland game. The last time we faced Palmer, he torched the fuck out of us in Cincy. Those big passing plays we gave up yesterday and Hanies first action in a while, just feelin some apprehension on this one. As bad as we thought this O line was, seems to have jelled even with all the backups playing. Looks like we may really have some depth going here which bodes well for drafting some young D players next year. I'm thinkin we are in for some serious nail biting as this playoff race grinds down. Kick it up a notch and Bear the fuck down!!!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Muuuuurph.... first, fuuuuuck carson palmer right in his old face.

    Second, oline depth? Whatchutalkingboutwillis? You're talking about frank omelet my man. Who else we gots? We lose spencer and we're fuck-Ed.

    With cutty we would have gone into greenbay 11-3, with hanie I still think we beat:
    * Chiefs
    * Vikes
    * Broncos

    Seattlehas a pretty strong D so that game's also a little worrisome.

    Also, damn you the diabetes... "But Cutler also suffers from type 1 diabetes, the form of the disorder in which the pancreatic cells that produce insulin are destroyed and insulin shots are required. This could slow down his recovery time, Ho said."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think @ Minnesota will be a tough game for the Bears. It could be the last game ever in the metrodome?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I meant the depth that got us this far, help us please if we have to use omelet. I think he is the only player that has NOT been defended by someone on this blog. I think Denver scares me more than Seattle. Denvers defense, specially their D line, has given us some problems in the past. Webb could become Dumervills revolving door and that means big problems for Hanie. I think we make the playoffs, but like I said, nail biter all the way.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    No, I used to defend Omiyale. He wasn't the worst guy on our O-line last year.
    This year, though, yech.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I admire a guy that fesses up Brownie!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I firmly believe in owning up to your statements. When I'm wrong I will admit it. Except to my wife. She wins all the arguments anyway. No sense in
    encouraging her.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's funny.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If there was anyone worse than Omelette then he's currently our Left Tackle, surely.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    The white guy that got slotted in at rt. Kreutz. Williams at lt. Omiyale outplayed all 3 last year. Cookie got most of the help w chips.
    But omiyale fell off a cliff this year.

  • foggy state of utter disbelief. From the happy highs of winning convincingly vs the Bolts and our pass offense looking good, to an empty hangover feeling with the Cutty thumb fu*ked. Friggin nightmare. Tough to be glass half-full now with our window of opportunity closing in. Bear is down.

  • In reply to GuinnessPlease:

    Pickup it up, Guinness... this team is pretty good.

  • Another thing going for us is (I think) this is a contract year for Hanie. Lots of QBs play better in a contract year. In fact, if he has a very good 3-6 weeks taking snaps, he could be the next in line for a Matt Castle type promotion. That would be a great scenario for everyone.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    It could be. Also, isn't Hanie a restricted FA? It could make it easier to trade him if he performs well.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    He's an UFA at the end of this year, as far as I know.

  • I had to do a little Monday morning exploring my feelings sht and I've decided the sweater is weirder than the suspicious season ending injury. Jus sayin.

  • He's trying to tell us his family is beingheld hostage. Its like the movie speed... But with touchdowns...

  • In reply to irootedforjayin09:

    Anyone have a link to this infamous sweater?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Watch his postgame press conference on chicagobears.com. That's where the sweater resides. It looks like he took his grandma's old afghan blanket and turned into a pullover.

    For whatever reason, I'm not nearly as panicked about this injury as I thought I might be. I really think this team is going to be fine. Hanie's gonna deliver.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Aww, that ain't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.

    That's the nicest Snuggie I have ever seen.

    Class, Jay. Class.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I have that sweater in cream, shartruess, chamomile, and periwinkle. It's great for apres-ski. Fabulous.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh I'm not saying it's classless, it spakes of an age before this when men were men. Specifically.. Theodore Roosevelt. Lol, I only kid, it's awesome, I say go for it.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    I kind of like it. I think he was celbrating his Irish heritage.

  • I think Jameson is wearing the same one in this ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOydQFJdx1k

  • Its on chicagobears.com, click the jay cutler postgame conference video.

  • The battle will go on, and we will prevail. Last night I had a gut feeling that Nathan Enderele will be playing by the 4th quarter in Oakland. Martz hand picked him this year, and he does not respect (see handling of Hanie this offseaon) Caleb. My gut still tells me the same thing.

    Caleb is definetly going to get his shot, and I hope he takes advantage. He and Kellen Davis have had good chemistry on the field in the past, and I expect that to take the pressure off...

    Either way, we are a 3 phase football team, and we'll win 4 of our next 6 ballgames.

    Bear Down!

  • In reply to Viva:

    Viva - you pointed out the one thing that concerns me about Hanie: his relationship with Martz. If there's any tension between them I worry it will further undermine Caleb's crash development over the next few weeks. If the Bears were sitting at 3-7, with the season already shot to hell, I could see Martz pushing to give his boy Enderle a chance. However, with the postseason still well within reach, not to mention the possibility of a miracle return by Jay in a few weeks, I think Martz does his damnedest to keep this offense rolling with the best backup he's got and that's Hanie. I don't think there's going to be any subterfuge on Martz's part just to get Enderle into the game.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:


    The 3 syllable thing makes for an excellent crowd chant.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    The word is that Martz's style is to be hard on the backup instead of criticizing the starter. So some of this reported tension may just be residual effects of that. I think (and I hope) that once Hanie becomes the starter that he will get full support from Martz.

  • What's Brian Griese up to?

    Hey, Trent Dilfer seems to think he can succeed behind this OLine with those receivers... Why not pick him up just to have him throw a pick-6 on his first pass as he's smashed into the ground by two Raiders linemen. Hopefully the injury will prevent future commentating.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I'd be for giving that a shot. Short term pain for long term gain (big gain)

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I avoid Dilfer at all costs, but I would not pass that up.

  • I dunno if I were this bears team id be pushing for jay to lead me. Broken thumb may be risky but so is changing a working offense. I also like the deep pass option...

  • This Oakland game is HUGE. Lose, and they are still in it but playing from behind. It also means Hanie lkely didn't have a good game, and panic will set in. Win, and the playoffs seem very much like a lock. With KC, Denver, & Seattle the next 3, 2 of them at home, 2-1 seems like worst case scenario. They'll take 1 of 2 from the Pack or Vikes, bringing them to 11-5, if they can beat Oakland here. Huge game.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Agree on all points. This game could give Hanie a lot of confidence moving forward. There are gonna be some mistakes, but if the Bears can ride them out and get W, we'll be in solid shape.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    You have to pencil in a loss for detroit this week. So we'd still be a tied for the 1st wild card spot.

  • They have the tie breaker I believe, and we'd likely lose a game on at least 1 of the other 2 teams in the hunt.

  • Thanksgiving in Detroit? It's gonna be tough, even for the cheese. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the cheese stumble on Turkey day.

  • boys..boys..boys..he's looking or that laid back Ralph Lauren look baby...He's Jay-MetroSexual-Cutler..don't shoot down his groove..LOL!

    From the Ralph Lauren Collection:

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • This is a bummer, for sure.

    When Bears went up 31-17, I was really amazed by how well the O responded to the Chargers attack and game plan. If they blitzed, Jay back footed a zinger or set up a TE screen, a bunch of well designed plays that actually worked. Jay's arm was lights out, just some wicked good throws, setting the angle and velocity just right. Amazing stuff.

    Then, Knox screwed the pooch. Now, here's what I'm looking at:



    Knox and slant-in are two words I never want to hear again in the same sentence.

    This... really.... sucks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    myyyy eeeeeyeeeeessssss!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Goddamn!!! How could you do that, GP?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Roger that.

  • I was reading somewhere that we only needed to win 3 of the next 6.

    Is there any chance that is actually the case? Does 10-6 get us in as the 6th seed?

    (Just say yes)

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    It may depend on who we lose to. I think the only thing that would be a lock is if the Bears finish up 11-5.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Fuck that - how about 12-4, or 13-3?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    12 - 4 will do the trick.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Was that Larry Meyer's column? Bada-bing!

  • Lovie Smith to a reporter: "That's about the only detail I can give you. He has a right thumb injury, he's having surgery soon and he'll be back this year. That should be enough for you to write a great article." Priceless.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    "We've got a good football team. We like the group of guys we've got here" "There's still a lot of football left"

  • I'm not on twitter at the moment, but that Greg Gabriel article Jeff tweeted was great.

  • In reply to WeShallReturn:

    Yeah, GREAT read.

    Is so nice to get some real insight into how things work behind the scenes. Maybe with more of this I'd feel better about Jerry and his merry band of misfits... or worse.

    Anyway, here's the link. Read it, it's very good (and will give you hope): http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Who-is-Caleb-Hanie.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I likery.

  • In reply to BigDaddy:

    I agree - good article. Why is it so difficult to find decent background information on the NFL? It's 99% fluff.

  • You know, at the bottom of the page, where it says "take it from Carson". I'll just leave that part to Max.


  • Well...everybody said we were fucked without Williams and it was just fine yesterday..I feel the same about Hanie, we're gonna be alright.
    Don't worry...be happy!!!
    Just hope Martz doesn't put Elderly or Enderly of what ever the fuck his name is in. Thank GOD Collins is gone!

  • I like the Giraffe, Knox, Bennetron combo. Using Hurd and Hester as the 4th and change of pace receivers. Hence, making them hungrier on special teams. I wanted to mention that all day now... but seems rather pointless now.

  • 4ever85, where are you?

  • No way Enderle plays unless Hanie is hurt/horrible. Our OL is still so-so pass protecting. Hanie is very mobil. Enderle is a statue. Also, Martz rides the backup QB to get the point across to the starter. I guess he doesn't want to shake the confidence of the starter. Seems like a stupid way to coach but what do I know? I've got more faith in Hanie than 90% of the backups we've had in the last 10 years. He's been here for all of Martz's tenure so, Next man up!

  • Bennett is gonna be on ESPN SC in a few.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I can't stand M&M

  • (Insert expletive here)

  • Man, I thought I was gonna be the pessimist. Losing Cutler sucks, but I'd take Hanie over Grossman or Orton any day. If we get word that he's out for the playoffs too, then go ahead and say the season is over. But look at the rest of that schedule, the Bears can still easily get the wild card if they don't completely fuck up the rest of the season. Then Cutler could come back and who knows what can happen?

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    You'll take Hanie over Grossman and Orton? What are you? Fucking retarded?

  • I'll take an unknown with potential over an interception machine and a "game manager". If that makes me a retard, than what the fuck are you, idiot?

  • One more critical injury to the OL, and there's not a backup on the planet that can help us. Hopefully the Bears will keep that in mind when they're out shopping for long-snappers and third-string passers.

  • In reply to M Onan Batterload:

    Chief Horn is a legend in the pipeline. I feel the force is strong with this one.

  • As the third stringer for just about all of 2010 , how many reps did Hanie get beforehand? That he did as well as he did in the NFC Championship game under those circumstances, I think, is amazing. It's scary alright without Cutler (especially because he really seemed to be hitting his groove) but I'm relatively confident things will work out for us as far as making it to the playoffs. Last year he had to win the Championship game, now all he has to do this year is not lose more than a couple ...

  • Well, I guess we're all gonna find out in Hanie is a good back-up quarterback. My hopes are diminished a bit by the loss of Cutler. Until I heard of the injury, I thought we were the best team to knock off the Packers in the playoffs. If Cutler makes it back before the playoffs, and the Bears keep winning, then game on! It will be harder with the chemistry being lost a bit, but still possible.
    How about that Major Wright? Three picks in three games. That's nothing to sneeze about.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You get takeaways, you play. Major is making shit happen..

  • Chiefs tried a quick count onside kick. That was some trickery. The Chiefs ran out and did an onside before the Pats were really ready. Almost worked.

  • Forgot to mention. The Patriots, the greatest drafting gurus ever, have started 41 different players this year and have 15 undrafted free agents on their roster. Instead of continuing to trade down for more picks, maybe they should look into trading up to get some impact players. Time will tell.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    When Bears castoff Mark Anderson is the star of your defense, then yes - Angelo's impact player strategy with the big check to Peppers looks sound.

    Pep - to his credit - did not check out after gettin paid. He's trying to play his way into the HOF. He's everything Bruce Smith or Deacon Jones were in their respective days.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    When Julian Edelman, wearing 11 and a slot guy, is your nickel back - perhaps something went awry in the offseason....

  • In reply to gpldan:

    When the Bears got Peppers, I thought it was a major reach and that he was over-rated. Boy was I wrong.

  • The Chiefs are shower raping Tom Brady.

  • The Patriots had nine white dudes playing in some of their offensive formations. I don't know if I've ever seen that in my lifetime.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    When Edelman lines up with Welker and Woodhead, it's ten.

    Chowda Town's whitest team since the Bird Celtics.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    LOL, just for the hell of it, I was wondering the other day which NFL team has the most white guys...

  • I just saw that Ed Reed pic.

    Just send him to the HOF already...

  • Just want to throw something out there that occurred to me on the way home from the office.

    Someone suggested "what if Hanie is the next Tom Brady." Nice idea, but whatever... Let's say Caleb Hanie is the next Matt Cassel. Franchise QB goes down, and the backup steps in and does an admirable job. The rest of the team rallies around the guy; defense makes plays, special teams gives good field position, and the recievers work hard to make plays. The season ends with Caleb winning 4 of 6 and hanging tough in the other two games.
    So then we make the playoffs, Cutler comes back, and everybody says thank you Caleb you're great, but Cutler is still our prefered starter.

    Hanie is an unrestricted free agent next season. Are we going to let some other team take someone with starter-level talent for nothing? Absolutely not. The smart move, and Belichek did this, is to franchise Hanie and start entertaining trade offers. Maybe we get a first round pick from a team like... the Kansas City Chiefs. Or maybe we send him somewhere like Miami in exchange for Brandon Marshall. The point is, we'll have options because of that tag.

    Meanwhile we are negotiating with Forte. Forte is in a weak position because we have the franchise tag in our pocket. Running backs especially are vulnerable to the tag because of their short shelf life. Hence, we use the threat of the franchise tag to avoid his agent making us pay Chris Johnson money and keep cap space open to address other needs (wide reciever).

    What's the one problem with the above analysis? We only have one tag. It is in Forte's best interest to make Hanie look very very good; good enough to be worth franchising. If Hanie looks good, we'll be in a hurry to free up that tag, which means Angelo needs to pay Forte that much quicker.

    If I'm Angelo, this is just one more reason I know I have to... PAY THE MAN.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Nice analysis.

    Let's get to the winning 4 of 6 part and cross that bridge later...

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Well put, New Bear.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Viva, I appreciate your post from a few days ago. I like the way you think.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    "The smart move, and Belichek did this, is to franchise Hanie and start entertaining trade offers."

    Aha. Watch Angelo piss that one down the tubes ....

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    This is another unfortunate twist to Cutler going down - Hanie is advertised for a month or two, and if he is as impressive as we expect him to be then his price tag shoots through the roof. I'd rather shift Knox and a draft pick for Marshall though, or just sign Forte now and franchise Hanie.

  • In reply to IrishSweetness:

    Marshalls fucking nuttier than squirrel shit, man.

  • earlier today caleb hanie was seen giving jay cutlers thumb a miraculous healing
    cheer up boys caleb is gettin the thumb back in order for jay

  • Like to thank the chiefs for double covering welker all game while giving up big play after big play to td machine gronkowski in a concentrated effort to butt diddle my fantasy football team. Romeo crennel you stubborn sonofabitch, cut it out.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The Gronster made some of that shit happen all on his own...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Damn, you did me by a point! I started Boldin over Torrey Smith and Smith puts up 22 to Boldin's 9.

  • Ghost of halas...where are you?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I wonder that a lot.

  • God. This game is a horror. KC is like watching a WAC team play.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Only I have to listen to jaws and tirico...so even worse.

  • What a ridiculous thing to say that Hanie is BETTER than any of the other QB's mentioned. Simply a Joke!! I understand that as a bear fan that is the natural thing to say but explain how a QB who has yet to start a game all season is better. To think that Haine simply sitting on the bench makes him better based solely on his performance in last years NFC title game is moronic. I enjoy reading the blog but come on, wait till he plays before anointing him the season savior or stating he is better than others who have been playing. Who knows, he might be worse. Good Luck Hanie.

  • In reply to stats3599:

    Yeah, he had a relatively good game in between picks, but we don't know who he is yet really. He has the vibe of a good one, but only time will tell. Even Orton served us well as a rookie - if not spectacular - he didn't lose us any games though that I recall. As long as Hanie does the same then we might sneak into the playoffs and get Cutler back in for the business end. Thing is, we might let Cutty in when he's not quite right - as anyone whose had their hand in any kind of cast for that long will attest to.

  • Ben vereen is like 80 years old - what's he doing playing for the pats?

  • sometimes even the strongest soldier falls


  • In reply to huntinbare:

    huntin, some of my friends do a live performance of The Last Waltz every year. This year there were over 40 musicians involved, in a theater that only holds about 150 people. It was quite the show. Friday, they are doing Sticky Fingers by the Stones. I will be out of town, but I'll catch the next one.
    I'm going to the Warren Haynes xmas jam in three weeks. Phil Lesh and friends, Gov't Mule, Los Lobos, and Bela Fleck are the main acts so far. Many more musicians will be there, it's usually about a 9 hour show, but I've seen longer. Asheville, NC is a beautiful town.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    my daughter lives in waynesville,
    with her husband; and my wife and I will be up 2 times in the beginning of 2012
    feb. for the first grandson's birth
    and May for her graduation from grad. school at WNC
    will you be around
    I would love to finally hang out with you
    My wife and I plan on settling near the nantahala gorge
    in a couple years...retirement
    will be livin in the yurt we put up a while back
    if you are near ashville it will be easy for us to meet up

  • In reply to huntinbare:

    I frickin' love this song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aur5KEaNtKc

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    that was beautifull
    I got a few willie nelson stories to tell ya when we meet
    he is a hero and a teacher for the way I live experience
    a huge presence

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