Game Post 4/10

The Cubs bats showed a flicker of life in Thursday’s win. They still haven’t really broken out, this would be a good time. Zach Davies looks to build on a quality first start.

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Lineups

Cubs

1. Ian Happ (S) CF

2. Willson Contreras (R) C

3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B

4. Kris Bryant (R) 3B

5. Joc Pederson (L) LF

6. Javier Baez (R) SS

7. Jason Heyward (L) RF

8. David Bote (R) 2B

9. Zach Davies (R) P

Pirates

1. Adam Frazier (L) 2B

2. Phillip Evans (R) 3B

3. Bryan Reynolds (S) LF

4. Colin Moran (L) 1B

5. Erik Gonzalez (R) SS

6. Gregory Polanco (L) RF

7. Jacob Stallings (R) C

8. Anthony Alford (R) CF

9. Mitch Keller (R) P

Starting Pitchers

Game Notes

  • Kris Bryant hit his second homer Thursday and looks good early.
  • Craig Kimbrel has been great out of the gate.
  • Javier Baez hit a homer and will, I think, have a big game tonight.

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  • Unfortunately Happ is not the defensive center elder as Marisnick. If he was there would have been no runs scored in the second. Difficult play but one I believe should have been made.

  • I wonder who is happier: The Cubs to be playing against the Pirates or The Pirates to be against playing the Cubs?

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Here we go again. 8 strikeouts in 6 innings including 2 against Underwood who the Cubs just let go of???

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    2 runs and 12 strikeouts in 8 innings. By now, they have to be leading the league in strikeouts by the offense and Rossy just keeps making basically the same lineup with only a few tweaks here and there.

    2 years ago, the Cubs let Madden go for just about doing the same thing for numerous years..

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Remarkably not. They're 11th in SO's & 12th in BB's. Oddly the the top 5 in K's are AL teams. Wouldn't have guessed given the NL doesn't have the DH this year.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    UPDATE: 2 RUNS WITH 14 STRIKEOUTS IN 9 INNINGS. GO CUBS!

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    We are losing 8-1 to a 1 win team and aren't getting good swings either. I know every team looks good and bad, but this is just bad, and even after the first inning I don't see any fight in the Cubs.
    I was watching the Blackhawks the same time as the Cubs and they were down 2-0, Jeremy Colliton called a time out and that did something---they've scored 4 straight goals going into the 3rd period. I hoped the Cubs could have show the same comeback as the Hawks have so far.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Yep - and their one win was against the Cubs

  • Typical loser jhey. Gets a hit in meaningless situation. Down 8-2 in ninth. This team stinks! Fire Ross!

  • I noticed lots of Cubs frustrated with themselves at the plate. Hope Trevor has a good game against his old team tomorrow. We need a W. That was a throw away today.

  • 14 strikeouts and only two walks. Baez and Bryant are the only starters with batting averages over the Mendoza Line.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I can't recall seeing an entire team in so many 0-2 & 1-2 counts.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    It is "the Cubs Way" to go for the walks instead of making contact.

  • Ok, the Cubs have started the season where they left off in a team hitting slump. Although, these guys have not hit as they once did, one would think that these former champs and All Stars surely have not regressed to what we are witnessing so far. To look on the bright side, it could be worse. We are fortunate to be 500%. Thanks to the pitching staff. A victory today with eleven more hits and we can count blessings. Snap out of it offense.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Seems as if the hitters are not who we think they were. Maybe we have to believe that the hitters are just lost never to be found. Can’t blame the weather .

  • In reply to stix:

    Q. Where is Rizzo !
    Once again, The calling of balls and strikes is terrible. Rob Manfred,
    keep your head buried in the sand and maybe no one will notice. I wish I could have a do nothing job that paid well !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Rizzo I believe is typically a slow starter but that’s usually with bad weather.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    In order for the Cubs to compete in supposedly the worst division in baseball. They will need their core offensive players, all to have above average career years.

    It soon will come out Cubs are all pressing because too many players are in contract years, or some nonsense like that.

    Cubs scored only 5 runs in the last three games against the Pirates, & only 19 runs against the Pirates in 6 games. I know it is early. Pirates! Pirates sure looked confident against the Cubs after letting the Reds score 30 runs in their only other 3 game series of 2021.

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    The ledge is visible. I know it's very, very early and we might look back and say what were we worried about, but there has been so much hard contact against us that I am worried.

  • Williams, Hendricks and Davies have shown the margin for error is very thin.

    Brewers & Braves are up next let see if this team is any good or just middle of the pack.

  • The Cubs have been kind of snake bit this game, but I expect a better at bat from Javy than he gave in the 4th. Ahead in the count with runners on first and third, one out, Baez chases two pitches outside in the dirt. I'm trying not to be critical because I know it's not easy but…

  • It's early, but it really looks like Hoyer is going to have almost completely rebuild the offense. And get a lead off hitter, Jed!

  • In reply to cubs09:

    These guys don't complement each other. None move runners or puts together quality at bats to enhance a rally. I know that we are only nine games into the season, but nothing ever changes.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    That’s true. Although I’d argue that outside of Bryant and Rizzo they are just average offensive players. Happ and Contreras are seven hole hitters on a good team.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Pirates young offense executes better.

  • It was announced that the Cubs are the only team who have twice as many strikeouts than hits ! 40 hits to 80 strikeouts ! WOW !
    If the Cubs don't show any life after the next two series with the Brewers and Braves , back the truck up !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Not a good weekend of baseball. Especially when you consider that they're now averaging 4.44 hits a game. And that's an improvement.

  • Why wait??

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Who would want them? Most teams are looking for players who don't strikeout so much. This is going to be our team. We just will have to hope that they get better at hitting.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Nico was making contact with the ball and they sent him down for more developing. What? The players that need more developing are the ones we call our core!

    The Cubs think taking walks and hitting one run homers are "winning baseball" rather than just putting the ball in play. As long as their thinking stays the same, they will continually get beat by the teams that just put the balls in play. What is it going to take for them to realize that?

    I think the MAJOR problem with this Cubs team is that they REFUSE to adjust. Even the manager Rossy is still making the same lineups as Madden 3 and 4 years ago. All the other teams can read the Cubs like a book.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I'm not sure its a discussion for now or what can be done. Baseball has sabermetriced itself into boring. Roids, trash cans, sticky substances, and stacked defenses, show that it's not who is best, but who is best at manipulating the integrity of the game. Everybody is to blame or nobody is.

  • Not exactly a warm fuzzy looking at tonight. The last thing they need is to face high percentage K's starter. This could be ugly.

    As CA and other have commented it is interesting that they've continued to run out essentially the same lineup for years expecting a different result.......That said their roster is what it is.

    At some point a philosophical change would appear to be in order. To my eye in '16 they saw a lot pitches and wore down starters. Even TOR guys. Got them out of the game and started pounding on pen arms.

    In '17 opponents adjusted to that. 5 years later they still don't have an answer......Neither do I other than the obvious. A genuine lead off man. All of the best Cubs offenses I've seen have had one.

    Is it the roster? Is it philosophy? Beats me. But after some early signs of get 'em over get 'em in without a dinger they can't buy a run.

    Maddon put it best. You go we go.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    So true, that 16' team had zobrist and fowler (not to mention ross & montero). You have to have people on base to make the power hitters more valuable.

    Would a pitcher start a hitter like (bryant, baez, conteras) with a curve ball with a couple of runners on?

    The answer is no. But if the bases are empty, why not.

  • Does today's lineup look familiar to anyone?

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    The first 2 innings: 1 groundout to 1st base, 2 walks, 2 popups and 3 strikeouts. Has this surprised anyone? Do you think Rossy will basically have the same lineup tomorrow?

    This team is a clone of the Cubs teams from the past 3-4 seasons and Rossy is a clone of Madden. Go Cubs. Hah!

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Third inning: 1 strikeout, 1 flyout to right field, 1 soft groundball hit to second base and another popout.

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    Fourth Inning: 1 run homer, 1 bad call strikeout and 2 more swinging strikeouts.

    First 4 innings, 7 strikeouts (6 swinging and 1 bad call)

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Heyward, baez & pederson look awful. Rizzo, contreras & happ arent far behind

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    After 6 innings: 10 strikeouts, 2 walks and 1 hit (a onei run homer). Does this look familiar?

    Sorry, I am going to switch over to he Bulls game before the Cubs put me to sleep.

  • After 9 games here is what's crazy.

    Of their pitchers 9 starts, 3 have been clunkers As a team they are hitting .160 and yet they are 4-5 and after tonight they could be one game out of first place.

    So I know as a team they will hit 60-70 points higher than they are now. Starting pitching will be average or better. But what this team will do I have no idea.

  • David Ross in game management skills on full display tonight. Counsel playing him like a fiddle! Fire this dope pronto!

  • Hey, Kris Bryant homers ! Boras now wants 500M !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    He'll settle for $300 to $325.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    To be fair $240 for 8 years might get it done.

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    Don't understand a team that has lost 4 games in a row down 6-1 with big smile and laughing !!! If I did that back in the day I wouldn't be on the team very long ... where is the manager ??

  • In reply to Ronald Dietzler:

    You're right ! Riz is chuckling in the dug out, Javy launching a ball in the stands and laughing about it.
    Hey Cubs, lets laugh all the way to last place !

  • Early prediction: Hendricks, Kimbrel, and Bryant will all be traded to the Braves in a package for a massive number of prospects. Of course, I know nothing about Atlanta’s farm system.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I'm sure some version of that trade was brought up in 2019? Kidding.

    Cubs would have include money for one team to add that much payroll. I think Cubs will have their hands full just trying to get anything for their pending free agents.

    Cubs offense needs to improve a lot, just to be bad. How can a few of these guys not be hitting better?

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Prediction. Tatis has to have surgery, Arenado to shortstop and Bryant traded for a major haul to play 3rd. Hoerner up to play 2nd Bote to 3rd.

    I doubt Hendricks goes anywhere, he is always undervalued. So more than likely the cubs keep him.

    The other Cubs who might be traded if they play well is a long list.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Not sure why the cardinals would trade arenado to Padres. I also don’t think he can play shortstop effectively.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    3 way trade cardinals Padres & cubs.
    JK

    You got me I screwed up. I meant Machado moving over to shortstop for the Padres to make room for bryant.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    The Cubs better hope Hendricks isn't undervalued by team executives, because he's the only guy I see with legit trade value. Maybe Kimbrel, if he keeps it up. If I'm a playoff team and I could get Hendricks and Kimbrel, you could look at it as six, maybe seven, innings of a game covered. Actually, if a team is focused on Spring Training results, than Joc Pederson is their man. He owned it!

  • In reply to cubs09:

    With so many guys playing for contracts a historically bad offensive start is befuddling.

    That said a case can be made it's just the pinnacle of a trend we've been watching for at least 4 years. Most concerning is the swing and miss rate in the zone. That in of itself is probably #1 issue.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I dont feel like you could get the return you would need for hendricks. Because of length of contract and being a soft tosser. But you are right his post season play speaks for itself.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    You might be right about the soft tosser part, and teams frowning on that. And his contract is for a number of years, so he has a lot of worth. To me, the return you would need would be a fairly surefire, high-quality, starting every day prospect, and then a few other players thrown in. They need to get more quality starting players coming through the system, and I'm not talking about Ian Happ or Nico level of player. It doesn't have to be someone as good as Bryant was, but they need an Anthony Rizzo-level prospect. I point to Hendricks, because I can't see another player who brings that.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Theo's best trade return on paper, was for Addison Russell a top 6 overall mlb prospect, B. McKinney 1st round pick out of high school the year before, and D. Straily.

    Cubs just need focus on making lots of trades. Darvish return, looks like Cubs will have to settle for very young prospects as the center piece. I don't see any reason to hold onto any pending free agents.

    After that, how creative will the Cubs get? They should have money, & hopefully a plethora of very young, &/or second tier prospects. Use some of that volume to acquire mlb players, or prospects without including top tier prospects.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    I'll be interested to see if you're right about having to settle for lower level, high-upside prospects like they did with the Darvish trade. I think you're might be right. But my hope is that with Hendricks, they'll be able to get slightly higher level prospects, like the Cubs had to give up for Q. Just because teams will be that much closer to the playoffs, and like Q, Hendricks has a reasonable contract.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I agree, Cubs should not trade Hendricks without getting a real good return.

    I hope Cubs do make more mid-season deals than in team history. Get volume of prospects, if they cannot get highly ranked prospects. No illusions that young players will pan out, that is why I hope some of the guys they acquire are used in potential future trades.

    Kimbrel has been traded twice, none of the players dealt for him turned into a name I know too much about. I would consider 7 of the players the team received to be prospects.

    Kimbrel has been traded twice so far in his career in Nov 2015 Sand Diego sent him to Boston for
    M. Margot CF #25 MLB ranked prospect,
    J. Guerra SS #76 MLB prospect
    C. Asuaje 2B
    L. Allen LHSP

    April 2015 Braves sent Kimbrel & B.J. Upton CF to San Diego for
    Braves did save money but they got
    C Maybin CF-C. Quentin OF, J Paroubeck OF, M Wisler RHP, and the 41st pick in the 2015 draft. The pick turned into Austin Riley.

    The Cubs have very little in the way of controllable building blocks right now. It is time to get creative.

  • I'm not sure what trades are possible or which players are worth what. One thing that I am sure of is, that this garbage I'm watching is not doing it for me. I have worked too hard to waste my time and little money watching overpaid spoiled rich athletes walk back to the dugout shaking their heads after striking out time after time.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I been a cub fan for over 50 years and this is worst cubs baseball ive watched since I can ever remember.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    I've been a fan for 67 years and I agree 100%!

    People (and Manager) can make all the excuses in the world but all their problems do not seem to affect their opponents. Let's face reality, this group of players have had ONE good year. Otherwise, they are not much better than average and going downhill.

    The ownership better realize that the Cubs are (and will be) losing Fans if they don't do something real QUICK! Without the fans, where will the Cubs be then?

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    God no. There have been SO MANY that were much worse. This bunch has put up 6 straight seasons over .500 with 5 playoff appearances.

    You don't have to go back too far. The 90's and 00's had some bonified train wrecks.

    They've been a tough watch for sure. But let's see how they're performing by the end of May.

    All that said I've been a vocal advocate of breaking up the band for several years now. Whatever Jed's plan is he'll be showing some cards in the next few months.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    It is NOT a matter of winning and losing. It is how they play the game of baseball. There has never been a worse Cubs team that I can remember. Instead of enjoying a Cubs game, I have to turn it off.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    It's always about winning and losing. If they were 8 - 2 winning ugly we'd all be in a better mood.

    Granted it's always about what have you done for me lately. But I digress. There have been a lot worse. The '97 team record setting 0-13 start bunch comes to mind quickly.

    There have been starting outfields that literally couldn't catch the ball. Not one guy but all 3. We are talking about the Cubs. A plethora of absolutely horrible baseball to choose from.

    IMHO the problem here is we had so much hope and enthusiasm for the future such a short time ago. Had being the key word in that sentence.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    You have your opinion and I have mine.

    I have never seen a worse baseball offense lineup than this one. I never have seen a whole Cub team have so many strikeouts (more than twice as many strikeouts as hits). I do not recall anyone giggling after making "bonehead" plays and I do not remember sticking with such a worthless batting order for almost 4 lifeless seasons. And there seems to be no change in sight.

    Obvviously, the Cubs have made the playoffs lately only because they are in the NL Central Division.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    That is what I am saying all the bad Cub teams that I remember could score but couldnt pitch. So at least it was exciting to watch. This team has a nearly 50% triple outcome (home run, walk, strikeout) so there is never any one running around the bases putting pressure on the pitcher or on the defense.

  • I've attended Cub games since 1955. I live in the L.A. area now and won't go to Chavez Ravine. Its not safe anymore for out of town fans. Theo screwed the Cub organization in the ground with terrible draft.picks and refusing to let go of underperforming picks. Theo spent a forth overall pick on a designated hitter. This player could have been picked in the late second or early third round. Trading an all star 2nd baseman to Colorado for a broken down 3rd baseman was a joke. Giving up two top 30 prospects to Detroit for N. Castellanos and then not signing him was a terrible decision. At least trading Yu was a step in the right direction. Jed also acquired a first baseman who is on Baseball's America's top 30. Jed's got the Cub's pointed in the right direction but its going to take time.

  • Holy Cow... A different lineup! Sogard instead of Bote. Oh crap... Everything else stays the same.I guess Rossy is so impressed with his buddies that he is going to stick by them even if he goes down with them.

    I don't blame Hendricks. I would get sick instead of playing also.

  • Finally, a homerun with a man on base.

  • Home plate Umpire Esterbrook shrunk the zone in the bottom of the eighth inning, it wasn't even close to the zone he called all night !
    CUBS WIN CUBS WIN !

  • Outstanding job by the pen tonight.

  • I can feel a little better about this team after showing some fire last night. Good for Tepera and Rizzo for protecting Contreras. The Cubs will need to do that for Bryant, when it inevitably crops up this season as well. The home plate ump seemed to agree. Even the umpires know that they can't police it by themselves.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Sorry but don't get your hopes up too high. Even though I kind of enjoyed watching yesterday's game, the Cubs problems remain the same for the most part(only 3 runs and 10 strikeouts).

    Today's game begins with 4 strikeouts in 2 innings including a man on second and third with only one out and NO score.

    Rossy continues to state how he believes in "his guys". Obviously, he is NOT managing the team. Instead, he is playing his buddies.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Does hoerner drive in that run from 3rd that bote couldnt?

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Remember when people were drunk on the outstanding performance of Hoerner and Jon Pederson in Spring Training? My favorite was when Trevor Bauer admitted he didn't try in Spring Training and all of Twitter got their panties in a bunch.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Hoerner makes better contact than Bote. Why do you ask?

    My gripe is not that Hoerner was sent down necessarily but why aren't these strikeout kings sent down to learn how to hit.

    Here we are again. 0 runs on 2 hits and 9 strikeouts in 5 innings. No matter what happens, the top of our batting order has basically been the same players for the past 3-4 years with below average results and getting worse each year. It would not be hard for anyone to have better results.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I personally believe that Hoerner is better than Bote. If they were trying seriously to win, he would have been on the team. But since they aren't, they can let him develop and get team control for another year.

    The Bote extension is looking like a head scratcher. I guess 5 years/$15m isn't a lot these days, but he seems to be basically Matt Duffy, who I think they signed on a minor league contract.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I keep hearing that it is best to send someone down to "let him develop". Develop what? It's not as if the Cubs have a great track record in developing anyone?

    I believe that you get better by playing against better opposition. I'm sorry to say that throughout the years the Cubs management and coaches don't seem to help anyone develop. There is plenty of proof of that.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I can understand why the Cubs want to give Bote a chance, and see if can be at least a second division regular. I would give him at least 80 games. Bote, is at least making some hard outs.

    The extension plays into Bote deserving a chance.

    The Cubs lineup issues are the big names, need to all hit like above average regulars.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    You can't manage a team by your loyalty toward your buddies and ex teammates. Instead, you must manage the team by doing what is best for the team.

  • This clown Ross has no business in a major league dugout. It was a mistake to hire him. Another failure brought to you by Theo Epstein. No wonder he jumped ship. The talentless players and failed management will be his legacy. And he’s going to fix baseball. Haha!(in a Nelson muntz voice)

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    I’m watching Carlos Rodon pitting a perfect game in the 5th. His FB has been up to 97 and with great off speed pitches too. He signed a 1 yr $3 million contract. The Cubs couldn’t come up with that or even $3.5 M?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    That he is. LH starter with a lot of upside. A lot of injuries in the past too.

    But I can't recall that from dissuading them. They've paid a lot of injured pitchers not to pitch for them.

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    In reply to Cubmitted:

    He pitched great tonight. Lost the perfect game with 2 strikes on Roberto Perez when he hit him on the foot. He then got the last out by a grounder to Moncada. It was exciting to see.

  • This is a welcome day off for the Cubs. I'm not totally discouraged, yet. We know that that they can hit better than this. Truth is we are lucky to have won five of twelve. It will get better. I base this on Tuesday's game. There is fight is in the team. I'm looking for a 6-3 honest and.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    We also know that ANYONE can hit better.

    We will get better based on Tuesday's game? Isn't that the one where we actually scored 3 runs with only 10 strikeouts?

    I admire your attempts to be optimistic about the Cubs but it is far beyond them getting any better. How many YEARS has this been going on now? It is time to realize this is what we've got. IT IS WHAT IT IS!

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    That's the one, and thanks. Hoping for better days. It's more tolerable that way for me. It can still be an interesting year as there a few good things going on. I'm disappointed, but…

  • On an unrelated subject. Did you see Theo' s proposal regarding the DH to be piloted in the Atlantic Independant league? Clever compromise! Brilliant actually.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Home stand.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    That DH/pitcher I heard decades ago. Not a Theo original, but I guess the first to push it through, & try something different.

    Another DH idea I read about was every time you change pitchers you need to change your DH. The article I read about that a long time ago, said it would lead to all sorts of different in game decisions. Thought it would add up to much more excitement, and in game strategy over standard DH.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    I didn't know, but I'm not surprised. Anyway, I find those kinds of compromise ideas encouraging. Some of those on either side of the DH issue won't like any give and take, but I fear the loss of fan base if mlb just pushes the DH or eliminates it.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    DH isn't going away. I was admittedly slow to embrace it. After last year I won't miss watching most pitchers attempt to hit.

    The great strategy it brings to the game argument has grown old.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Theo' s proposal would allow both the DH and the strategy without watching pitchers hit, since relievers rarely bat anyway. Sign me up.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    Theo will ruin mlb like he did the cubs. Mlb will be kowtowing to the snowflakes. The interest is waning in mlb right now and they know it. The rule change with the relief pitcher having to pitch to at 3 batters is asinine. Starting with a runner at second base in extra innings is also ridiculous. Factor in the shift and you got 4-4.5 hours of no baserunners or strategy. Replay with no definitive answers on certain plays is crazy. Replay should be abolished. That home plate call in Phillies game the other day is a perfect example of what is wrong with replay. The game should be left alone. Please no nl dh either.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    I can agree with much of that, but baseball does have issues that need to be addressed. It's too late to not implement the DH. It has been around forever. The too boring and slow, needs tol be fixed. Today's players are bigger and stronger, which has advantaged pitchers, creating more three outcome results. Another sports example would be Mens Profession Tennis, which has morphed into watching bigger and stronger men serve 100mph balls that cannot be returned.

    As for Theo, he is not always right, but it's his charge to try to stop the exodus of the baseball fan base. He might be pretty good at it. I'm pulling for him.

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    In reply to 44slug:

    I was initially against the runner starting at 2nd base in the 10th inning but have come to embrace it. Now the game is exciting in extra innings. Every sport changes. Hockey's overtime is 3 on 3 and that's exciting. Basketball has the 3 point play and then extended it some time ago.
    I'd like to see baseball have the shift but the infielders have to have at least one foot on the infield, or why don't hitters just stroke it opposite the shift to defeat it? Even the 7 inning double header is a good idea.
    Change happens and we just have to go along with it.
    Now, I just want the Cubs to be more exciting.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Agreed. And to expand on that "everything changes". Even baseball and golf. At a glacial pace albeit. But they have.

    The 7 inning DHer is a bullpen saver in the modern game. I don't miss games ending at 1 or 2am either. Runner on 2B is instant action. And unlike the NFL both teams have a chance.

    On average pitchers hit around .100 ...... Enough already. I'm sure a Cubs starter will celebrate their first hit of 2021 eventually. Or for that a matter a BB. A HBP. Anything. To date they have 14 K's in 17 AB's.

    On a completely unrelated subject today's lineup is hilariously identical to that listed above sans Sogard in for Bote. ......Who knows, maybe today is the day it brings different results?

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Hah... Same lineup, same results. Its very difficult for Rossy to realize this. However, every so often even a blind dog will find a bone.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Sogard is in there. He got the RBI.

    On a different note. 2022 rotation.
    1. FA?
    2. hendricks
    3 marquez
    4. Davies
    5. Alzolay

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    In practical theory shuffling the deck would make no difference.

    But at some point (like a week ago) Ross has to shake things up.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Given the team is hitting less than .170 maybe they should start a lineup of pitchers. Can’t be much worse offensively.

  • In reply to stix:

    I was actually going to suggest hitting the pitcher lead off.

    They're certainly in the "Why not? zone now.

  • This is the most pathetic I've seen the Cubs in a long long time. I really liked Baez at second where he was an all star. Trade Bryant, Jed should be able to get something for him.
    When is Rizzo going to start hitting ? , when the Cubs are 29
    games out of contention ?
    Have the Cubs ever thought about hitting where its pitched ? What a
    concept !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Hitting where its pitched does not work well when you are swinging for the fences.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    5th inning: That's the KB I know. 2 strikeouts, 3 LOB in 3 ABs. Another 1 run homer (Contreras) and 6 team strikeouts. Cubs are losing 4-2.

    The last game the Cubs scored more than 4 runs was on April 5th.

    I wonder if Rossy is finally paying attention?? This batting lineup does NOT work!!!

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Besides saying the same thing every day, why don’t you suggest a better line-up using the current roster. If everyone hit’s .200 or less what difference does the order of the lineup have to do with them scoring more runs?

  • In reply to stix:

    You noticed, huh? I say the same thing every day because that is what the Cubs do everyday. Do you think it will eventually sink into the Cubs management after 3-4 years of futility. Get it?

    Who says you should use the current lineup? That solution is for Rossy and the other small feeble-minded baseball gurus.

    Bring up some of the minor leaguers. They can not do much worse if at all. That "crap" about them being in the minors to develop is pure hogwash!

    Who, better yet, how many players have the Cub's minor league system developed to become successful major leaguers? The ones that are playing in the major leagues now are on other teams who have actually developed them.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    7th inning: KB 4 ABs, 2 strikeouts , 1 double play and 5 LOB. I guess that is his way to clean the bases.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Well, same old same old!!! 2 runs with 12 strikeouts.

    0 - 8 when Cubs allow 4 or more runs.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    When they can’t hit/score more than 5 runs a game is it surprising they lose every time they give up 4 runs?

  • In reply to stix:

    Is this another one of your "gems"? They can hardly score 3 runs or more per game for your info.

    If you don't have anything of value to say it is better to say nothing.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    So why are you commenting?

  • In reply to stix:

    To show you your ignorance

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    And they still haven't figured it out yet !

  • They average 2.6 R, 5 H, 10.3 K's.

    2 R, 6 H, 12 K's is right there.

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    Now we know why Theo . and Len jumped ship . they knew something back then .

  • In reply to Ronald Dietzler:

    Theo must have gotten so many bad reviews ( deserved ) that he figured it was time to bail.
    What was worse he stuck up for the bad drafts he conducted.
    At lest with so many Cubs being beaned, it should help their on base
    percentage!
    How about Eric Sogard for hitting coach. He looks like he takes the smartest approach at the plate !

  • In reply to Ronald Dietzler:

    Makes me laugh a few guys hear that honestly think this organization is so much better off without Theo. It should be a really fun era (sarcasm alert) with the Ricketts and Jed Hoyer running the show, neither of whom have ever shown that they can lead a successful organization. Theos certainly made mistakes that contributed to this upcoming rebuild, but people often forget that it’s not like the Dodgers Andrew Friedman is coming through the door to replace him. Theo was the brains and leader of this organization, and I don’t expect the cubs to go on to greater success without him. It just feels like with all these guys leaving that the leadership void in this organization is the worst that it’s ever been. The team leadership already took a hit when they lost Davey Martinez, and when David Ross retired. Clearly that leadership void is probably in part why Ross was hired. He inherited a bad situation with this organization in decline, but this team looks as lifeless than ever. That starts with his management, and frankly these players need to have more pride.

    I haven’t commented much because I haven’t liked the direction the Ricketts have been taking this organization for years restricting their payroll, getting rid of Theo/Darvish on what was essentially a salary dump, and cutting costs behind the scenes in getting rid of 300+ employees. Now I’m really getting concerned that this organization is heading back towards being lovable losers without the only leader the cubs had in Theo that’s actually proven that he can lead a winning organization. Despite his imperfections and the bad Quintana trade I don’t get the sense that the grass is greener on the other side. Does anyone really feel the Ricketts have the baseball acumen to lead this organization back to prominence? Hopefully they can find another proven, obvious GM hire. But what I see is a large population of entitled cubs fans that have forgotten that this was a perennially losing organization.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Laughable. Get off your high horse. Theo buried this current roster with his terrible drafting and free agent signings. Jhey is the worst free agent signing of all time for the cubs. Dude stinks! I find it funny you think rickets can’t rebuild this team. You can blame lightfoot and fat boy pritzker for the 300 layoffs. Mlb is a business and ricketts shall run it as such.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    Dude you've already made it clear plenty of times that your main issue with Theo is that you don't have the same political beliefs that he does. That type of discussion doesn't belong in assessing who is the best option to lead this baseball team. The realities are even with the mistakes Theo was the brains of this organization that led arguably the worst organization in baseball to prominence. Let's see how your pal Ricketts does without a proven, celebrity GM that every single cubs fan wanted to hire back in 2012. Ricketts just got lucky Theo left Boston, or the cubs would still be cursed.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Ricketts doesn't know how to run a successful organization? How do you define successful? In 2009, he bought arguably the worst franchise in U.S. sports. He paid $900m. Within seven years, the team won an historic World Series and the team is now valued at $4B.

    Theo left because I imagine he, Hoyer, and Ricketts looked at the team and said it was no good and they had to rebuild. Since that was the direction the team was headed, it made sense to change management or extend Theo.

    The Cubs main problem is that they have done a horrible job developing players through the minor leagues, except for players drafted in the first round.

    Strap in. The rebuild won't end until 2023 at the earliest, more likely 2024. But I suspect they will once again build a very good team. And hopefully do a better job maintaining it with a farm system.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    And they rushed those guys to the majors. Sans Bryant who was the only one you can honestly say was actually ready.

    Now just for the sake of it let's imagine a scenario where Jimenez and Torres are still Cubs today. I'd say they're probably a better team.

    But it is what it is. Let's go get 'em tomorrow.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I agree they need to rebuild. That’s just the thing Theos strength was rebuilding his farm system. If anything he wasn’t as strong with win now moves. I’d have rather moved on from this entire regime if they don’t come with Theo. Hire some forward thinking executive from TB or someone like that. Jeds more well suited as a #2 I’m not sure about him as a lead decision maker at all, and now he’s signed for 5 years. Let’s just hope you’re right I think Jeds a decent executive, but I have my doubts that he’s a GREAT lead decision maker.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Theo rebuilding the farm system ? Are we talking about the same Theo ? Theo's D- drafting was the worst in the MLB ! Theo's bad drafts forced the Cubs to. escalate their payroll to sign free agents
    and hampered the Cubs ability to make trades or sign free agents when they became available.
    If you were paying attention, Theo concluded he didn't do a very good job acquiring talent.
    Theo also spent a 4th and a 6th overall picks on two bust. No organization can survive two major mistakes.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Jed to me is a less dynamic, & less entertaining version of Theo. Some guys are great #2 in a company, but not #1 material. Jed now has his chance to prove he is creative enough to be a #1.

    Theo, built a winner, but failed at delivering player development powerhouse. Most of Theo's big free agent signings Cubs talked about untapped upside?!?! For that kind of money you shouldn't be talking about upside. Cubs draft seemed to focus on safer picks with less upside. Even in baseball you still need to mix in some big, strong, fast drafted athletes. Even with my issues Theo, built a World Series winner.

    My hope for the Jed/Cubs during this reload/rebuild- is they try a large market version of moneyball, Jed needs to figure out what that will be? Cubs also need to get much better at player development.

    To me it is some version of finding value, but actually having a large payroll. Payroll right near the tax cap penalty limit, gives Cubs a huge advantage over at least 3 NL Central teams year in, & year out.

    The current rebuild- Cubs seem to have very little in the way of talent in the upper minors. The minor league rebuild is still a work in progress. Hopefully Cubs are moving in the right direction.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    Great take always a voice of reason Naujack. My question is despite the mistakes is the grass necessarily greener on the other side?

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Thanks, but a voice of reason? Things have been real good for the Cubs, & I agree Cubs could have been better.

    I hope the Cubs trade Bryant, Kimbrel, Rizzo, Baez, Davies, Arrieta, Pederson, Chafin, & just about anyone else. I don't expect anything close to other team top prospects coming back for pending free agents. I hope the Cubs listen to offers for Happ, Contreras, & Hendricks. Then spend in the off-season, & probably sell off again next season. Not sure how reasonable most Cubs would think about a total selloff for pennies on the dollar.

    What I'm not a fan of is, if Jason McLeod has more influence on how this roster is built?

    Jason was in charge of player development, & amateur scouting when there wasn't much! I have zero issues with going against the trends. Cubs player development seemed real rigid, & lacked flexibility while going against player development trends. It took them a long time to make changes. Why? I'm an outside, but I assume McLeod is either a yes man, and following Theo's orders? Or he actually kept doubling down on the wrong he strategy he backed? Jed sure looks like the #2 guy this year.

    I actually think/hope the Rickett's will have to spend on the roster, because they actually invested in a lot of real estate around the ballpark.

    I don't even know if it is possible? I think the Cubs messed up their TV deal. What made the Cubs so popular with many fans was WGN baseball from Puerto Rico to Hawaii on basic cable. Cable is the past, but whatever the Cubs did with their network sure doesn't look like the sports business model for the future? Cubs charge real high prices for going to the park, but wouldn't the superstation TV model help create more fans? Lots of people travel to Chicago, but less and less of them want to see a Cubs game too.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    Agree 100% at this point I think that most fans are accepting that it's time to think for the long haul. I also think empowering Theos buddy McLeod was one of Theos biggest mistakes. From what I understand he had a huge influence on their draft board, minor league development, and overall hitting/pitching infrastructure. From what I understand he was very risk averse, and often favored pitchability over higher upside power arms. It's the biggest reason why he was indirectly demoted/fired, as they wanted to change direction on the pitching side. I really feel Jed needs to get rid of him also Jason is like a best friend to Jed. In Jason's defense though Theo did use a lot of their draft and IFA resources on hitters, but that doesn't excuse the pitching philosophy.

    So much for the tv deal coming to the rescue, huh? From what I understand the Dodgers made a lot more money from their deal, as the cubs made a large personal investment in their own channel and buying out all that land around Wrigley. The issue is they made these purchases right as Covid hit, and while the teams heading towards another rebuild/reload. In many ways these investments around wrigley that aren't making the team profit right now is why the Ricketts claim their profits are worse than other organizations.

    My biggest fear is now they spent the money Theo asked for, and finally got their WS. Are they still committed to acting like a large market team? People often forget how Theo once bashed this organization for cutting costs behind the scenes in understaffing their scouting and development staff. Theo argued that they were at a competitive disadvantage when it came to the information that they had on players and prospects. I guess my question is are the Ricketts going back to the Tribunes business 1st ways of cutting costs behind the scenes? Or is this just a temporary Covid measure? Are the Ricketts going to continue to act like a big market team, which was one reason that they turned this organization around? Or are they content to continue to reduce their expenses now that Theo was able to deliver the WS that we all wanted so bad? I'll be eagerly watching to see if they increase their staff again once this Covid baseball era is over.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Cubs machine is absolutely starting to smell like Tribune & Wrigley are running it. Keeping expenses lower than other large market teams, seems like it is a real thing.

    Eventhing the Cubs done in the past few years is all about spending less- Maddon, Theo, firing over 100 employees, trading Darvish, & not signing any long term deals.

    Cubs should spend the most, & I mean #1 in all of MLB, on their player development, analytics, and scouting departments. Everything they do with scouting, & player development should be a class act, especially when compared to the mid & small market teams.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    Exactly I missed this post with all the commotion. I’m by no means saying the Ricketts are the Tribune yet at least. My gosh I don’t think cubs fans really fully understand how much horrendous ownership contributed to their WS drought. The cost cutting behind the scenes by the Tribune and Wrigleys. These ownerships just cared about making money, and they knew they could get away with it as fans always show up at Wrigley. It’s certainly felt at times like the cubs are moving things back in that direction over the past few years. When Theo 1st got here Ricketts let him do things his way in increasing their staff, and investing in upgrading their facilities and technology. Then all of a sudden the Ricketts after the WS things changed partly because they already had a large payroll, but partly also because winning a WS made this organization and fanbase more complacent.

    Right now let’s give them the benefit of the doubt in saying the teams not necessarily in win now mode, and every team is dealing with economic hardships. But as fans I think we have a responsibility for never accepting what happened with past ownerships to ever happen again.

    The cubs are the 3rd largest market in baseball, yet I often feel like we’re a mid market compared to NYY, Boston or the Dodgers. We haven’t been blessed historically with ownerships that are committed to winning like those organizations. I hope for the cubs sake that the Ricketts go back to being as committed as they were in 2015-17. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned that they’re gonna start cost cutting behind the scenes now that they have their ring, and a celebrity executive like Theo isn’t around to hold them accountable. Recall promises were made to Theo financially to sell him on coming here back in 2012. I sincerely hope the Ricketts prove my concerns wrong.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    For what it’s worth, I remember a report on ESPN this winter stating that the Cubs are much more economically dependent on game day income than other teams. Hence the Darvish sell-off and Schwarber release, followed by the Pedersen signing once it was clear there would be at least a few fannies in seats.

    I am reluctant to criticize Ricketts without knowing more about his debt construction. Everyone gets a mulligan during this pandemic, IMO.

    I also would have preferred a new hire over Jed, but he has hopefully learned some things since he ran the Pads 10 years ago.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Blame Ricketts? Theo? Hoyer? Ross? Hitting coaches? Fire the grounds crew? Please!! I stopped blaming after Maddon. He obviously wasn't the problem. How about blaming the underperformance of the core with runners in scoring position. Where do these guys go?

  • In reply to 44slug:

    It’s not about blame we knew this day was coming. It’s about whose the best guy to rebuild young talent onto this roster once again, and hold the Ricketts accountable for not being so business 1st. I’m not sure jed has the stomach or job security to challenge the Ricketts. To me I just don’t feel as optimistic about this rebuild with Jed as lead decision maker. I already feel a leadership void. This is almost the same roster as last years NL central winners, and right now I doubt they even win 78 games. You’re absolutely right on the players amazing how guys that can be so successful at such young ages, and then not develop at all is truly unusual and baffling. This rebuild was always coming it’s just for this fan I no longer believe in this ownership or front office. Wish they just brought in a new regime rather than promoting Jed as lead decision maker. I hope Jed proves me wrong, but I have my doubts that he’s a high end lead decision maker capable of replicating the last rebuild.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    No org was offering talent for our guys. It's too late for magic and the Cubs are better off with our same, than any attempts at addition by subtraction. It's a frustrating start, but I have faith. Ricketts couldn't predict a pandemic and Jed has been pretty creative.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You've got to be joking about Theo. Theo spent a 4th overall pick on a DH (Schwarber ) a pick that could have been gotten in the late second or third round in the draft. Trading a future all star second baseman to Colorado for a foul mouth third baseman that most G.M.s knew this guy was a bust when Theo acquired him. Signing underslot players in the first round so he would have money later in the draft for reach players. That never worked out. Passing on free agents Yelich, Brantly, and Mc Cutchen because he had his beloved Schwarber. I could go on and on, but the facts are Theo caught lighting in winning the world series, but after that he mismanaged the current Cubs into the sorry team that they now have. This will take time to rebuild and straighten this mess out.

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Theo did in chicago what he did in boston. He drafted hitters early, many pitchers late. Signed veteran pitchers traded for young talent, added some quality defense/offense players.

    Guess what he won a couple of world series. I will take whatTheo did every time. If like me you are a long time suffering cubs fan, Theo is one of my heroes right up there with Ernie, Ron, Fergie, Ryne and so on.

    We are now on to the Jed phase let's see what we can do.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    But I do have to say the only trade I dont understand is lemahiue to colorado.

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    All I know is without Schwarber the cubs would never have won a WS. For me he's a successful draft pick, and it's not like the draft experts alternative picks like Nick Gordon have worked out so well. What's gonna be your excuse in 5-10 years when this organization doesn't live up to the unrealistic standards you set for them? Ohh Theo left us in a situation where we had to rebuild lol. He led the most successful cubs group in their franchise history, and the guy has 4 World Series rings. You can hate the guy all you want, but the realities are even with his mistakes he's the biggest reason why this organization turned things around, and are no longer cursed. Mistakes are part of being a lead decision maker for 10 years. Theo did a lot more good than bad here, and I don't see how people don't look at his cubs tenure fondly.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Do you have a crystal ball? How do you know cubs don’t win World Series without Kyle schwarber? You view him, the number 4 pick in the draft, as a successful draft pick? He was released. Albert Almora must be a successful draft pick in your eyes too. Theo quit being a baseball rat years ago. He is on to bigger and better things lncommissioners office. And he’ll ruin that too.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    1. I’ve been one of almoras biggest detractors on this site for years. I have always maintained that he was the worst pick by the last regime, and I said when happs value was down that he was a better young talent. Schwarber hit almost .450 in the World Series, and literally 3/4 of the cubs wins vs Cleveland were when he was in at DH. They couldn’t hit that series without him, and the guy only started the WS winning rally when the pressure was at its highest. He also helped the young cubs build confidence in 2015, as arguably their biggest postseason hero. The real question is how can anyone actually not believe that he wasn’t instrumental in their success?

    He didn’t reach the upside that many hoped for, but luckily he did his best work when it counted. Stupid move by Jed releasing him he had trade value to someone. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see how Jed and the Ricketts rebuild works out compared to the so called awful rebuild that Theo led lol. The entitlement by some in this fanbase that actually believe that this organization is better off without Theo is baffling. I truly hope I’m wrong and Jed develops impact young talent.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I don't hate Theo, I'm just being realistic , the bad drafts, the bad trades. The mistakes were far to many to survive. What was worse
    Theo kept his drafting mistakes on the field bypassing several players that could have helped the club.
    If you want to root for Theo, good for you !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    You can say theo did a bad job rebuilding, drafting, and making trades. But the realities are that his so called "bad" rebuild led to the best cubs group we've seen, and 3 straight NLCS or WS appearances. You can say he made a bad pick with Almora, but his other picks and prospects that his group developed were instrumental in their success and the ring they have on their fingers. Theo made one bad trade for Quintana, and frankly nobody questioned the Lemahieu trade when it happened. Even John Arguello a brilliant baseball mind that closely follows the minors thought Lemahieu had little upside with below avg power, athleticism, or on base skills. Theos other trades were almost all winners, and guys like Arrieta, Hendricks, Fowler, Chapman, even Addison Russell, etc. all played a huge part on those teams. Do you realize that over 10 years essentially any GM will inevitably make mistakes. It's about doing more good than bad, and the realities are Theo wins year after year.

    FYI too you lament the cubs for not getting Yelich, Mccutchen, and Michael Brantley. They couldn't get yelich after acquiring Quintana, as they couldn't beat the Brewers package at that point in time when the Marlins thought Lewis Brinson was a top 15 prospect. Why would they want an aging Mccutchen anyways? Either way Mccutchen and Brantley were free agents AFTER Ricketts started restricting their payroll. They simply didn't have the necessary payroll space to get those guys it's part of the game. Even if they got any of those guys they wouldn't have won a WS with Lester declining, and their core players like Bryant not performing to his 2015-16 standards.

    It's not about rooting for Theo the issue is they simply don't have a better alternative to lead this team. If Andrew Friedman were replacing Theo, then I'd pack his bags myself. But if you think Theo did a bad job, then I'll be eager to hear your reactions to the guys that come after him.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you. You must be right !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Why take things personally it’s all good we’ll just agree to disagree. I understand that Theos mistakes contributed to them not sustaining success, but I just think that cubs fans take the success that we did have for granted. Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.

  • Just a suggestion. Let's ease down a bit. It's just baseball. John was never a fan of nastiness.

    They're 5-8 while not hitting their weight. Get the walks under control and the pitching is looking pretty good.

    Good or bad we should have a full season of baseball. It's the little things in life.

    Not to mention we actually saw 6 consecutive seasons of Cubs winning baseball for the first time in our lives. Only those in their 90's had seen that before.......It's important to compare. ;-)

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    By FAR the best six years of my baseball life. They’ve earned a few years to retool, at least in my book.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Ditto. Couple guys get it going and their offense isn't nearly as bad as it's looked.

    From my eye there's enough there and coming soon this "rebuild" won't be nearly as ugly as the last.

    And frankly it can't be. They need the ticket sales and Marquee viewers. Cubs fans haven't been enthralled with "lovable losers" for years. Those days are over. They have expectations to live up to now.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I am happy to hear that you and others are satisfied with how the Cubs have been playing for the past 3-4 years, but sorry, I am not.

    It is hard to watch a game where more than 1/2 the total outs are strikeouts and/or double plays rather than putting the ball in play like their opponents who don't seem to have a hard time doing. I have been a Cubs Fan of the "Lovable Losers" for many years and do not remember the Cubs looking this dull and lifeless for any length of time as this team has been doing.

    Believe me if the Cubs had been playing like this during their "Lovable Losers" years, they would NOT have been considered LOVABLE. They have had plenty of years of winning baseball but just not enough to make the playoffs often enough. That was due a lot to the other WINNING teams in their division (like the great Cardinals teams, Cincinnatti powerhouse teams and even the great Pirates and Montreal teams) and not necessarily to their losses.

    In any case they usually played exciting baseball, not these dull, boring and lifeless games they have been playing lately against other inferior teams in their division..

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    The cubs have looked terrible but it is early. Ask Astros, Yankees, Twins, Sox and Braves fans how they feel right now.

    The cubs will not continue to hit like this they will be much better. But as a team no where near the dodgers and Padres. So let's get these hitters going and start flipping some guys.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I've been a Cubs fan since the early 70s, and I've definitely seen more than my share of teams this bad and this boring. In the entire 1980s, they had two winning teams. When Ricketts bought the team, the baseball organization did not have computers. There was no analytics department. The roof was literally falling off Wrigley. They couldn't hold the All Star Game because the dugouts were so terrible.

    Cub fans have become very entitled. Six straight winning seasons, three NLCS, one World Series win, best Spring Training facility in baseball, completely rebuilt Wrigley Field: come on!

    Rebuilds are inevitable. Even the Dodgers will likely eventually have to do it. The league rules and structure are designed to give losing teams a rebuilding advantage. All these Ivy League baseball executives aren't tanking because their owners are "cheap." It's because it works.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    You can spin it anyway you like but the facts remain the same. This has been a real boring and lifeless team for the past 3-4 years. You bring up the 1980s but they were nowhere near as futile as these Cubs are.

    "Six straight winning seasons" but only three NLCS?? That's winning seasons against the inferior teams of the NL Central.

    The 1980's (1980 to 1989) Hall of Famer, Ryne Sandberg joins the team in perhaps the best trade in the history of the Cubs. Cursed again in 1984 after a 2-0 playoff series lead and only one game away from an elusive World Series, Leon Durham's error and Steve Garvey heroics keep the Cubs "waiting til next year". Mark Grace joins Sandberg to lead the team to an exciting 1989 season and a playoff appearance against the San Francisco Giants and Will Clark that is very memorable indeed even if it does end in an all too familiar way for long-suffering Cubs fans. Great long-time Cubs Greg Maddux and Andre Dawson join the team and the first night game at Wrigley Field on 8/8/1988 ends in a rain-out.

    I enjoyed watching the Lovable Losers of the 1980s a lot more than watching this team for the past few years.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Yes, it was exciting watching the Big Red Machine and the Pirates demolish them on a regular basis. Then the Cardinals literally ran circles around them for years.

    Those teams played "exciting" baseball. We had Jose Cardenal or Dave Kingman to brighten our afternoons with some trickery or a moon shot.

    When the late 60's version ran out of gas in the early 70's the Reserve Clause was finally done away with. Then came the FA era we have today. Since then they've been just plain bad more often than not. Record book says so.

    When the Tribune Company bought them there was hope. They did spend on the MLB roster. Granted not always wisely. But player development was never on their menu. Hence the mess the Ricketts inherited upon their purchase.

    Regardless of what happens this season the organization has never been in better hands. Not to mention the huge investment they've made in Wrigleyville.

    It's April. We have a new "Acting GM". Whether or not he eventually hires one remains to be seen. But there's good reason to believe better baseball is coming soon.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Huh??? Cubs history in the 1960's covered a wide range of emotions. Most of the Cubs teams were very talented teams that did well, but not quite well enough. Some of the greatest players in Cubs history played for the team. These include: Ernie Banks, Ron Santo, Fergie Jenkins and Billy Williams. The 1969 Cubs were the team that appeared to have everything to go all the way, but a late season collapse, a black cat and a great New York Mets team got in the way.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    As I said. The late 60's version was good. Followed by mostly bad.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    As I said. This Cubs team is really bad setting numerous records for futility.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Unlike in 2010 or so - they have built a fairly good core of guys in the minors, and have continued to acquire quality guys to keep moving up.

    Yes, the pitching development has been kind of slow and halting, but they do finally appear to have some movement upward on that as well.

    The biggest continued problems that these Cubs core guys have had is inconsistent contact, and overreliance on the HR to win. When they peaked in 2015 and 2016 they had several something that they don't have any more - Zobrist and Fowler to get on base and grind out at bats, amazingly consistent defense, and some great veteran leadership from Ross, Lester, Coghlan, Montero and Lackey - grit. Those guys kept the young guys centered, and Maddon kept them all loose. That formula worked.

    Even the disappointment at the end of 2017 and 2018 doesn't much cloud the fact that those seasons were also pretty damned good. Thanks for pointing this out cubs09.

  • This is probably going to be ugly today. Twins let go of the Braves Ynoa kid during their playoff push in '17. Absolutely nasty stuff. If he's spotting his fastball......A Kerry Wood game is possible.

    I'm just going to enjoy watching a potential Cy Young winner do his thing.

    Sunday is a new day!

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    In reply to Cubmitted:

    The biggest problem with the last 6 years has been the lack of development of our players. All were in their early or mid 20's and you'd think they would be coming into their prime, but it just didn't happen. Usually for WS teams there's a mix of veterans and youngsters and you just trade the vets or let them go and bring someone go, but with so many young ones we kept expecting them to progress so we didn't trade them. I have no ideas why they didn't get better and I don't think the Cubs do either. Hey, we won in 2016 and that makes Theo's time here immensely successful. The only move that I can criticize is when he didn't trade for Verlander at the last minute. That was discouraging.
    We have a farm system that's very young and getting better and we will see how they progress, but right now it's hard to watch; there's no excitement here. Maybe if they start hitting I'll feel better, but it's kind of meh now.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    We have excitement today!

    Granted the youngster clearly doesn't have his breaking ball command today. But still. They're barreling up some fastballs too.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Yes, it's been tough to watch. I just know they're not nearly this bad offensively.

    I feel good about Azolay. Then Marquez and Davis in the not so distant future. Adding some more heat to the rotation gives them a different look.

    Maybe today is the day the bats finally get going.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    They are not this good. They are also not as bad as they have been.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Let's hope today is a step in the right direction.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    "Let's hope today is a step in the right direction". I hope so. The Cubs are finally making good contact. Even KB got a hit with a runner on base. I am happy for you and all Cub fans, including me.

    However, they still have 6 strikeouts in just 5 innings. Homers and strikeouts but I'll take it.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    That’s the thing that people forget when they point fingers. It’s absolutely historic and unprecedented for a team of so many 1st or 2nd year stars to win a ring at such a young point in their development. That’s why expectations got out of hand, and maybe these kids didn’t deal with success well. I have 1st hand knowledge that was the case with Addison Russell, who was known to get wasted at bars all around the city. We can blame the coaches, the front office, or we can blame this launch angle revolution. But at the end of the day individuals are in charge of their own improvement. Look at Kris Bryant many thought he maybe a hall of fame talent, and he was just never as consistent or reliable after 2016. It’s why I don’t think the cubs blew a chance at a dynasty through poor moves. The realities are they were always going to go as far as the core hitters took them, and those guys just didn’t progress with their careers. Doesn’t help either that a proven big game 1 starter like Lester inevitably declined. I’m just glad they got their ring when they had the chance, and can only hope this next rebuild goes like the last one.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You’re a windbag! Stop with your pretend stories of how you know what Addison Russell was doing or that you have an inside source. Your long winded stories and analysis are nonsense. You probably sit in the stands at wrigley with your mask on telling people how awesome Theo is.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    It's too bad that out of all the intelligent, respectful posters this sites had over the years that we have to regularly read this guys nonsense and combative posts. Barley and I warned everyone about Russels antics well BEFORE any of his off field issues became public buddy. Nobody ever said they have close personal ties to Addison, but word travels fast when Addison does these things publicly. As for you the way you've talked to Barley and others over the years just makes you come across like a jerk. That's not the type of place that this websites founder John wanted this to be, and I know Michael feels the same way. Then again you probably just don't have the baseball acumen to have a respectful, intelligent conversation with anyone LOL.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Where is Barley?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Proud Boys or Oathkeepers recruit, would be my guess,

  • In reply to cubs09:

    This made me chuckle...

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Actually, I resent that comment about Barley. I'm not siding with oldno 7's combative style, but your backhand take on a fellow Denizon is more egregious. Who do you think you are?

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    In reply to cubs09:

    That's not funny.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I'm not trying to be funny. I hope he's okay. I honestly think he's probably joined a rightwing militia group. My guess is he's somewhere with a Stop the Steal sign complaining about the tyranny of the government. Hopefully he took early retirement in Monte Carlo with a super model.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    Sorry! That's honestly where I imagine Barly is. Just my opinion. He's documented as believing in Q (or similar) conspiracy theories, and he would fit a certain profile. Single white male, extreme views. But maybe not? I don't mean it politically. I hope he'd okay. Hopefully I'm wrong and he'll be back on the site talking about his love of Baez.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    I hear what you're saying it's unfortunate to me that most regulars now know each other's political beliefs, and even I was suckered into the conversation regarding Barleys anti George Floyd conspiracies on some level. But that's just the thing with this country more divided than ever you know any political references are going to stir the pot. I don't mean to police the forum or lecture you we're all grown men. But the cubs den culture of respectful interaction, and being able to disagree on stuff without making things personal is what once made this a great forum. Believe me read the type of combative cubs comments/replies that you get on social media, and it just ruins the entire forum for those of us that are real baseball fans.

  • In reply to cubs09:

    No politics. Hypocrite. Rules don’t apply to you though. I know you and your buddies on this site can’t control themselves.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I’m worried about where this discussion is going, but I think it’s obvious that Barley left the site after what was essentially a political rant that rubbed many posters the wrong way. And I know Michael doesn’t want this to be a political forum, as were the wishes of John Arguello who longtime readers all respect. I’ll just say this once Barleys comments also rubbed me the wrong way, and I disagree with them. But the fact those conversations often get uncivil is why that type of discussion doesn’t belong on a cubs website, especially in such a divisive time like this. I personally didn’t feel like Barley needed to banish himself from the site as long as he was willing to keep things about baseball, but that’s just me. Whatever our differences I try to be respectful to others as long as they’re respectful to me. It’s just too bad that many of the longtime posters that came from that cubs den culture are no longer commenting.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Who do you think you are? I never mention politics in here. You are a liar too. Barley didn’t need you coming to his defense. You and your buddies on this site are the only ones who talk politics. Look at the thread on this chain and see who your politicians here.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    First, Oldno7 you should make an attempt to find a nice way to point out your views. This is a non rude site.
    Second you are correct about who was being political. I noticed Cubs09 even managed to get second dig with his Stop the Steal reference. His not fooling anyone.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You just made a political reference on this thread that takes a shot at Lightfoot and Pritzker lol. The majority of your posts either include similar anti-left political references like that, some cheap shot at Theo or David Ross, or insults towards other posters such as Barley or myself. It's not my rules this sites founder and its current moderators discourage political conversations, because those topics are divisive in any forum. This is a cubs forum not Twitter take your name calling there. Too bad you can't block other posters on this site this guys a nutcase.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    44 I agree that this conversation on Barley took too much of a political turn for my taste. I've talked with cubs09 for years he seems like a good guy, but I agree the cheap shots at other Denizens was unnecessary. Frankly whatever our differences this isn't the forum for that type of discussion. I've always respected you as an informed poster for many years that's always had good, respectful interactions with myself and others. You're a longtime poster that most people here respect. I just think it's at times our responsibility to uphold the culture of respectful baseball related discussion that's made this such a great cubs forum for many years. It's unfortunate all the insightful commenters that no longer post here. Personally I don't want to see this site become divisive like a social media forum, and frankly that's what it's becoming with no one to moderate combative posters like the one above that's probably going to leave me another angry reply lol.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Well, thanks for the kind words. I have made my share of inappropriate posts over the years, including political. Between Michael and John I have learned better. I agree, that Cubs09 seems like a good guy, but he can't help himself tonight. His last post has a Q reference, whatever that is. I respect your policing.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Whatever sheep. Please share some more fake cubs stories from your imaginary friend.

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    Man you sound like an idiot. I hope you are just trolling for your sake.

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    This has been who oldno is for years, and I called him out on the way he talks with people the 1st time I saw him attack Barley for literally no reason. Just a guy with no respect for the posters on this site, and me personally I’ve just never had respect for people that can’t just stick with having respectful baseball discussion. All I ever see this guy do is troll or bash Theo or others for their politics. 2 types of comments that don’t belong on this site.

  • TOUCH 'EM ALL AGAIN!!!

  • Enough is enough Rossy. What are you waiting for? Do Kyle a favor and take him out before you ruin his confidence.

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    Can we just talk about baseball? It’s really hard to watch them now. Actually, to be honest, I turned them off.
    I’m looking at mock drafts for the Cubs this year, and I’m starting to look at mock drafts for next year.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Is there still a game? Man U have a lot of respect for Hendricks, but they need him at his best this year and even then it still probably doesn’t move the needle this year. I’ve already seen enough this year to realize that I’ll probably look forward to following the minor leagues, as I’ve already decided the cubs need to be deadline sellers.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You have such high baseball acumen. Tell us more mr. wizard.

  • You are a phony. Are you off your soapbox yet?

  • In reply to Oldno7:

    Enough Bro! It's not Mortal Kombat. It's sports. The free exchange of ideas between Cub fans. Be nice.

  • 4 runs on 10 hits is a good day for them. 10 HITS!!!

    Go get 'em Tuesday.

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