The official announcement:
Great! My baseball memory for the next month will be no-hit by a three guys we couldn’t trade Descalso to get. The baseball gods are real crazy.
No baseball at Wrigley until May is probably a good idea every year. It's not baseball if it's played in the snow.
Two weeks is real optimistic. The charts all show this thing peaking in May. We will be lucky if MLB is back to a full schedule by Memorial day.
I've got training in epidemiology - and this is a very smart move for the population in general. This all is going to get a lot worse before mitigation actions start to kick in. Stay safe and healthy folks!
that a reference to the pandemic, isn't it BP? Because too many of our pitchers in the last year did flatten the curve and then turned and saw the ball fly away.
Keep safe everyone, and if you have doubts and what to do and where to go, stay home or err on the side of caution.
Just now seeing this. It is important to be safe and do what you can to help slow the spread, but also to maintain a sense of humor.
Speaking of a sense of humor, these have been my go-to lyrics lately, with the sad reminder that anyone familiar with this song and lyrics is likely in the "high-risk" category:
"And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates.
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die."
Thanks a bunch :)
Gimme an F!
Gimme a U! Gimme a... well, I'll just give this:
Exactly! Even if you are not 'high risk' - I'm betting you have somebody you care about who is.
Anyone see the article on ESPN where they played out via simulation the next decade via MLB2K?
I’ll sign up for 3 World Series titles this decade!!!! Fun little read.
Yeah, that was fun, and as close to competitive baseball as we have right now. But I have to admit that I puked in my mouth a little at Javy signing with the Twins for 7yrs/$144.4M, even though we added two rings after the fact. If we're out-bid at that price, I riot!
I'd be curious to see what the rosters looked like during those simulated seasons............
Me too. This whole roster, competitive window, and even contracts for the players and FO have been tied to the current CBA, which expires following the 2021 season. I'm as certain we will see new upper management as I am unclear of the new financial scopes, but it will be interesting.
One thing will remain. We will have the greatest fanbase in all of sports, and we will use that leverage to maintain a competitive franchise.
I'd like to see the 2016 WS games again. I have Comcast so I don't know who actually owns the broadcasts, but maybe even Sinclair could allow SportsChannel or another network to show them. We don't have live sports, and that was the greatest sports moment of my life with the final Bryzzo out. Of course, I almost pooped in my pants when Rajai Davis hit that HR, but in the end they came back and made our day, year, century.
Wash your hands and keep your humor.
One mistake--it was the bottom of the 8th, not 9th.
Hey Jonathan, here is the YouTube video of the game 7 post game interviews also. Book mark it and enjoy it over and over.
I just noticed MLB.com just posted it on their website.
Thanks for that. I like that about CD. People helping people.
I have a question for you. If (or when) the Cubs win in 2020 will you add another year to your handle here?
Read article on nbc sports conveying who would be your lineup if you had to win one game. Here’s mine, without using google and off the top of my head:
OF Ken Griffey jr.
OF Mickey Mantle
OF Babe Ruth
1B Eddie Murray
2B Ryne Sandberg
SS Javy Baez
3B Michael Jack Schmidt
C Johnny Bench
SP Greg Maddux
I'll play along- off the top of my head. Not sure about the older guys.
OF Ricky Henderson
OF Barry Bonds
OF Willie Mays
1B Mark Mcgwire
2B Joe Morgan
SS Ozzie Smith
3B Pete Rose-I'm not sure he if played 3B?
C Carlton Fisk
P Randy Johnson
Rose did play 3rd. He played all over, 2B, 3B, 1B, OF. I had a tough time leaving him off my roster. Guess I could have had him 1B over Tony, but I had to have Rizzo’s Ops, enthusiasm & team chemistry. Also another LH bat to go w/Williams & Ruth. Although Rose did switch hit.
this is an excellent topic, and I like your just off the top of your head limit on it.
I saw Willie Mays and Aaron but can't argue with Mickey Mantle, and Babe Ruth is a superb choice not only for his offensive prowess, but don't forget that he more than likely was a HOF pitcher so he could take the mound too.
As much as I like Ryno, I would put Honus Wagner at 2nd, and maybe finding another 1B, but Eddie was a switch hitter and that counts too. Maddux is one of my favorite players of all time, and if anyone has heard him talk about pitching--it's like Ted Williams talking about hitting.
Great job Oldno.
Wagner was a SS
Bonds - LF
Mays - CF
Ruth - RF
Schmidt - 3B
Wagner - SS
Hornsby - 2B
Gehrig - 1B
Gibson - C
Johnson - P
I'm just doing this off the top of my head and not checking the Google machine. I would have him as my SS too. Thanks.
I had to look up Gibson, Josh Gibson? I just read two articles about him. He sounded incredible.
Josh Gibson was the greatest HR hitter in the negro league.
I think the greatest catcher ever
LF Ted Williams
CF Willie Mays
RF Bob Clemente
3B Mike Schmidt
2B Ryne Sandberg
1B Anthony Rizzo
SS Javy Baez
C Thurman Munson
P Jim Palmer
DH Babe Ruth
I really like it, except for Rizzo. How about Harmon Killebrew in place of Rizzo?
Anthony’s the captain... He’s won a World Series but he’s still that hungry, enthusiastic fun loving guy the team needs. Besides, he’s no slouch at the bat or with the glove. Love his approach at the plate, especially with 2 strikes. It’s to win 1 game. There’s enough stud Hall of Famers with power there to have him. Plus he’s a Cub. Gotta have him. I had Rose right there but... Killebrew was a good choice also.
DH? Nothing against Ruth, he's certainly my RF'er, just...
Pretty cool Oldno7. To win 1 game:
OF - Bonds
OF - Ruth
OF - Williams
3B - Schmidt
SS - A Rod
2B - Sandberg
1B - Gehrig
C - Bench
P - Koufax
If allowed a DH, I move Ruth to DH and add either Griffey or Mays.
I had Koufax neck n neck with Palmer. I struggled with Bench vs Munson. Gehrig was a good choice too. Never Bonds for me, Ha Ha.
Munson is an interesting debate as is Palmer. I, personally, have him as a 3rd tier catcher. I would have Berra and Dickey ahead of Munson just in the Yankees history. But I do like your '70's flavor. You surprise me with your Palmer selection for a 1 game winner take all to be your starter. He was great during a 10 year peak I'll admit. His peripherals would keep me from making the the starter versus all the available pitchers.
I am a Pudge and Piazza guy as that was the my era when I spent the most time in keeper leagues deep diving stats. Pudge was the best defensive catcher I have ever seen and Piazza was far and away the best hitter at that position. I also believed Piazza called great games behind the plate--posted a very good CERA during that span. So all was not lost on his defensive abilities. Now there are other factors which would cause some to back-off those guys, so there would be some controversy.
This is the fun stuff I love to discuss. Thanks Milk!
I love these types of discussions. There are no right or wrong answers, just different views.
I was surprised to see Munson. I have him as the 3rd best Yankee C behind Berra and Dickey. I had a harder time debating whether Pudge Rodriguez or Piazza would be my C for 1 game. Piazza was the greatest hitter at the position ever and Pudge was the best defender, IMO -- so I split the middle and chose Bench who excelled on both sides. Good debate could be had on those choices I am certain.
And Palmer was a sleeper too. Of all the all time greats in a 1 game playoff, he would have been down further for me. He had a tremendous about 10 year run--he was great no doubt. His lack of K/9 IP of 5.0 would leave keep me from giving him the ball. Koufax's '62-'66 was the most dominant 5 year run, IMO, in baseball history (111-34, sub 2 ERA, over 10 K/9, less than a 1 WHIP, and 33 shut outs in 176 starts or a nearly 20% rate). The Starting Pitcher would generate a lot of debate as mulitple arguments could be made and be very persuasive. But I gotta say, I love the 70's flavor as that was when I was a young boy coming up buying baseball cards and reading every stat before getting into Strat-o-matic in the 80's. Fun times.
Thanks Milk--cool dialogue.
Neve Bonds for me either. I might have Ricky Henderson as my lead off man.
Bonds is one of the top 3 players ever
I thought about him too. Such a tough decision on which 9-10 guys for “1 game”. I don’t think there’s a ‘wrong’ lineup of those given.
I could probably put together 5 or so different lineups that could be really dangerous.
When the first 'Roid boys were hitting the HOF ballots, writers were shutting them out out. Many HOF members commented that at least one was already a member, and I'm fairly certain they were referring to Rickey.
Good job to Oldno, that's a fun idea to pass the time. These are some great lists, and there are no-brainers in these lineups. IMO, there are a couple unanimous "best-ever" players at a few positions. Ruth in RF, Gehrig at 1B, Schmidt at 3B, Wagner at SS, and Bench behind the plate.
I know Jonathan is a fan of speed, and I worship defense, so I'll offer a different-looking list. Lots of 3-0 victories for my team, and some really exciting fundamentals:
1B: Keith Hernandez
2B: Eddie Collins
SS: Ozzie Smith
3B: Brooks Robinson
LF: Lou Brock
CF: Ty Cobb
RF: Roberto Clemente
C: Johnny Bench
P: Greg Maddux
I think I'd have have Satchel Paige pitch this game.
Satchel in his prime is a good option
Opening Day is being pushed back indefinitely. Rob Manfred has stated the season will not begin April 9th.
2020 draft is coming. Will the 2019, & 2020 draft classes-create a potential logjam for playing time at the lower levers in the minors?
Josh Burgmann RHP, Cubs 5th Rd in 2019. What do you think about him?
Praying that we can see baseball by Memorial Day. Going to be a long 2 months without it.
I've seen the Memorial Day idea floated before. Sorry to play Debbie Downer, but the way this is going, I just can't see that. I think the mandatory separation orders will keep being extended. The players will work out on their own, but there's going to have to be a "Spring Training 2.0" before the season can begin.
Owners are still hoping for a full season, because $, but that's not going to happen. It will be a unique situation when competitive games resume, as the compressed schedule will force a greater urgency on winning every game. Roster construction could be affected, with less emphasis on role players and more playing time for the regulars, which will be ironic in the first season of the 26- man roster.
The longer this goes, the more the "regular season" could end up being an ad hoc extended postseason series to determine playoff slots. It could benefit those teams that are top-heavy in star talent to the detriment of more balanced, deeper teams built for the long haul.
It's going to be interesting.
Memorial day can happen if they play without spectators, which is a real possibility. TV revenue would still be there.
It would be my guess that that is the way it goes down.
p.s. I floated the Memorial day date on this very thread 3 days ago.
The news conference from the WH today said this could go through July/Aug. If that's the case, then maybe no baseball this year. When is it safe for people to be in large numbers again? I'm not making any kind of political statement, but how low do the numbers of cases have to be so we can interact again?
btw, I won't have Bonds or Clemens on any team of mine.
Good questions, and it is imperative for everyone to keep themselves informed.
There really isn't a magic number on cases before restrictions begin to ease. Historically, these types of viruses run through a population and people develop a natural resistance, known as "herd immunity". The virus itself usually mutates to ensure it's own survival, and that mutation usually involves being less toxic to it's host. We're also hoping the warmer weather will slow it's progression, but this is a new strain and all of this is unknown.
Another thing people should be aware of: I've seen many business leaders (people losing money) suggest that we shut everything down now, so this will pass in a couple weeks rather than a couple months. That's really missing the point. The reason for self-seperation is to slow the spread so we don't have a spike that overloads our medical capacities. By slowing the spread, we're actually prolonging the inevitable, just in a more manageable way.
This is going to last awhile, and every day you will see new notification that it will last even longer than we expected yesterday. But it's what we have to do.
On a side note, since so many small business are effected so much my wife and I are going to have take out twice a week to support them. Our Chinese food just came, and later in the week--pizza!
Wash hands and support one another.
There are lots of ways to help those people most effected. The service industry is getting hit hard, especially small restaurants and their employees. One of the best suggestions I've seen is to buy gift certificates from these small establishments. It gives an infusion of cash now and can be redeemed when everything gets back to normal.
Another idea is to check on your elderly neighbors. If you're going grocery shopping, offer to do it for them, so they don't expose themselves. Of course do so safely.
Will you check on me BP? I'm of age but certainly don't feel elderly?
I consider that at least 80, and I'm not near that.
Gift certificates are a great idea. We gave one yesterday.
It seems so strange to see TV programs where there are people in restaurants and walking on the streets. We adapt pretty quickly.
We could also pick teams with players we've actually seen too.
I certainly would, Jonathan, and I hope you are OK.
Seriously, I help several aging veterans, and I've made the difficult decision to no longer do so. My elderly mother lives with me, and if I get this virus I'd likely be fine, but it is a death sentence for her. We are all dealing with tough questions.
I am able, both financially and capably, to offer assistance during this time of need. If it was just me, I'd be volunteering at the hospital to build temporary units or whatever they need. This is my area of expertise.
There is an old adage I am reminded of: During a catastrophe, do you save one loved one, or three strangers?
This is a great post, and exactly why social distancing is so important in these times. I've been following this virus for over a month now, and I don't think it will go away very quickly. Just looking at the timeline in China, I imagine the bulk of it will be about a 3 month setback. By my own estimation, I wouldn't be surprised if spring training doesn't resume until sometime in June with the regular season only getting started hopefully by July 1st. No all-star game/break is my guess, and they'd probably shoot to play about a 100 game season, even if that means they play till mid-to-late October. This will be a really weird season, and as you mentioned previously, more of a sprint. I think that's okay with our Cubs.
Say safe everyone. Be smart, be kind. We are all in this together.
How does service time get calculated if the season were less than say the 100 games you mention? I have no idea on that front.
Yeah, I have no idea either. Haven't thought that deeply into the MLB situation.
Why no Bonds or Clemens?
Memorial Day might be optimistic Irwin,... some of the epidemiology models have the infection rate peaking sometime in May as is.
There are companies in England that have shifted from making goods (I think Ford is one) to making respirators and other machines that we need. This is a war and we should get our companies to do that.
That is what we are facing, a nationwide war effort. Not the recent all-volunteer-skirmishes type, but the "we're all in this together, Rosie-the-Riveter and Victory Gardens" type. I can't even believe I'm typing this, but here we are.
Slow the spread, and flatten the curve. So many younger people are using this to express rebellion. "I am healthy, it won't affect me". You spread it, often asymptomaticlly. You are not the rebellious motorcycle rider without a helmet, you are the drunk driver heading towards a crowd of innocent bystanders.
"Your grandparents were called to war.
You are being called to sit on your couch. You can do this! ".
Well put Mike - that last bit especially.
Tonight (Wed) the 1979 Cubs-Phillies game will be broadcast on the MLB network at 7pm Central time. They're showing MLB's 20 greatest games.
I was at that game. My grandpa and dad took me out of school to attend it for my 12th birthday. We sat in the LF bleachers. And stayed for the entire game. I have never mentioned it to my wife and kids and last night we all sat in my bed and watched like it was happening live. Pretty cool stuff. Got to share part of my childhood with them.
If only Biitner and Ontiveros could have delivered in the 7th or 8th innings, it would have completed an epic comeback. They could have used a better launch angle instead of pounding ground balls to Rudy Meoli at 2b.
You were lucky. I can't remember if I saw that one on TV or the Schmidt 4 HR day. Did you happen to see the 1hr pregame show. It had Larry Bowa talking about it. Seeing all those Cubs--as you said, Ontiveros and Biitner and Kingman and one of my favorites, Ivan de Jesus. That was fun, and so emblematic of our Cubs--trying hard and yet just missing out.
They are showing the 20 greatest games in MLB history, but it was produced in 2011 so it missed game 7 of the 2016 WS, one of the greatest games ever.
Thanks for the memories and that you could show your kids (and wife) too.
I've seen this episode. It's the only non-post-season game on the list.
Next time I'm at Wrigley I need to go to the third house down Kenmore so I can get a handle on how freakin' far that ball went.
If you've got Marquee, the entire 23-22 game is on at 10pm CST.
DVR, set to record.
As time goes on the 2016 World Series is being revered as one of the best ever.....and I am not saying that as a biased Cub fan....
To answer a question from a day ago, no Bonds or Clemens because they cheated and have consistently lied about it. I want my players to play with their natural talents and not aided by any illegal substances.
Good chance your favorite players have used illegal substances.
They should have tested and if caught then punished them at the time. They never tested positive and Clemens even went to court and won.Bonds and Clemens have more natural talent than almost any player ever.
Wow! Just wow! Sure, bonds was a hall of famer even without roids, but the numbers aren’t even real. I think he started doing roids because of his ego. He knew he was a superior talent than Sosa and McGwire. But his ego could not handle the attention they were getting. His head size alone was ridiculous. Dude is a clown!
I just saw that Chris Sale is going to have Tommy John surgery on his left elbow. Gone for at least a year. At least he won a WS.
3 days 21 hours ago . abandon baseball . i may not come back .
Right now every day this week Ken Burns Baseball is being shown on MLB network at 7pm CDT. It's probably streaming too, but it's nice to know that at 7 this week I can watch it.
Love that documentary,...
Right now (5pm CDT) in Chicago on the MLB network it's game 7 of the WS. The Cubs are winning 5-3 in the top of the 6th. I still think Hendricks should have been left in.
On other news, Thor is scheduled for Tommy John surgery so he'll be out at least a year.
I still get nervous watching that 10th inning. LOL
I just heard we traded Pereda for a pitcher that we ended up losing on waivers, what happened?
I believe he was the player to be named later in the Travis Latina deal.
Travis Lakins— I really hate auto correct. LOL.
I just read something that said players would get service credit this year equal to whatever they got last year if the season is canceled. I was just thinking about the Dodgers and Mookie Betts. The Dodgers will get nothing for the Betts trade because Betts is a free agent after this year. They traded a number of players for Betts. Ouch
Rob Manfred is an idiot for trying to dismantle the minor leagues. Impeach him now!
Agreed, but of course he wouldn’t act, without the owners encouragement and consent.
I check this site every day. I know there is not a lot baseball news, well we have released a number of players, but that's about it.
I just wanted to make sure that everyone is doing well and staying home and washing hands too. I miss our comments here.
Go Cubs and Go Soap!
Jonathan.........I hope you and the rest of the Denizens are doing well.
Same here, to ya’ll too. I haven’t commented in a while, but I still like the ‘Den’. Go Cubs when they play next!
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