Starlin Castro questioned, but not involved, in another shooting incident

Here we go again…

Although information is scarce right now, it appears that Starlin Castro is once again indirectly involved in a shooting incident at a nightclub in his native Dominican Republic. Six people are injured, including one seriously.

There are reportedly six others being questioned.

Right now we don’t have all the information and certainly don’t want to jump to conclusions, but it’s difficult not to start to get at least a little concerned about Castro’s penchant for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

This is not to pass judgment. I suspect he will be cleared of the shooting as what little information we have seems to suggest he wasn’t directly involved.  I also have been told that he is not a person of interest and is simply  needed for additional information.

The greater long range issue is a lack of maturity and good judgment. I have been a staunch defender of Castro on and off the field, and I get it, I found myself in bad situations when I was young too, but there is no way to sugar coat this. He needs to make different choices and make his family and his baseball career his priority.

UPDATE 8:30 PM

Confirming reports from earlier, Bruce Levine tweets: “The Dominican General of National police has cleared Chicago Cub Shortstop Starlin Castro of any involvement in recent shooting incident.”

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  • Castro really needs to get it together. It's so depressing to think about all his talent and potential and then constantly see him making bad choices. It's extremely difficult as a fan as well when you want nothing more than the team to succeed and yet have no control over the life choices your team's best players make.

  • If he's cruising around with his buddies, and his buddies have guns and an obvious penchant for squeezing a few off with hostile intent, then it looks like we're dealing with at least a slight learning disability.

    And when was the last time you heard of a 24 year old big league shortstop having armed bodyguards?! That absolutely blows my mind!

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    In reply to Ben20:

    Suspect the armed bodyguards is more common than we think. There are some crazy people out there. The fault is in his choice of entertainment venue.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Agreed.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I went to the Dominican Republic last year... i'm glad he has armed bodyguards. It is a Beautiful place but definitely sketchy if you are not in the resort area. I anticipate this will blow over quickly.

  • In reply to Cubswin2015:

    If it is that bad. Then why return there?? I get family is there but why not move to the states in the off season to workout and avoid the trouble??

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Correct. What I saw on a brief stop there, I'd hire an armored tank battalion to escort me. Rampant murder, kidnapping etc. We all did the club scene when we were young, but now it is time to leave the frat boy behavior behind, grow up, keep your nose clean, and do your job. Wonder how this is going to play at the trading deadline??

  • In reply to Ben20:

    Charles Barkley had them, he actually had David Stern suggest to him that one way to stay out of trouble off-court was to have bodyguards. Mike Moody has it correct, the bodyguards are less troubling than the choice of venue.

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    In reply to Ben20:

    I know in venezuela they do because of all the kidnappings

  • Is this the same incident reported a week or so ago? Either way, it's not good. But if he is involved in yet another nightclub shooting the red flags are starched. Hope this isn't how he's preparing for the 2015 season.

  • In reply to Bucky:

    Different incident.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, last time this sort of thing happened , you had a guest writer comment that Castro's involvement was only that he was at the
    club when the shooting took place. Did that ever get verified?

    Any ideas if this type of shooting is common at the clubs in the DR? Seems like Castro needs to move his social life to his backyard , he can probably afford the entertainment.

  • In reply to stix:

    Yes, he was cleared.

  • *sigh*... maybe that middle infielder prospect depth really isn't a surplus in the end

  • John,

    I posted this on the other article, hope it helps shed some light on the situation:

    Sigh...

    The original article from El Caribe (in spanish):

    http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2014/12/27/apresan-pelotero-starlin-castro-tras-tiroteo-discoteca-seis-resultaron-heridos

    Run through Google translate (not the best in the world, but enough to figure that Starlin was not DIRECTLY involved in the shooting):

    The major league baseball player , Starlin Castro, and six other people were arrested Saturday by police in Montecristi , after a recorded this morning in a nightclub shooting, where six people were injured , including one seriously .

    The incident occurred at the disco Ocean Club, located on Calle Benito Monción of Montecristi.

    Among the wounded figure Jeremiah Martinez, who is serious in the José María Cabral y Baez Hospital , Santiago , following pellet wounds that pierced the liver.

    According to reports, the shooting started between Ivan Tatis , assistant administrator in Montecristi , Manolo Pérez , driver of the trustee , against a brother and bodyguard of [...] Starlin Castro, who was also in place.

    Tatis and Manolo Pérez were also arrested .

    According to reports , Castro 's bodyguards stripped Tatis a 12-gauge shotgun , which was recovered by police in the bushes next to the disco.

    A few days ago , Castro , shortstop for the Chicago Cubs in the majors , was involved in a shooting in Dubai Santiago nightclub at a party enlivened by bachatero Anthony Santos and merenguero Antonio Peter de la Rosa (Omega ) .

    The ballplayer denied involvement in the incident.
    - See more at: http://www.elcaribe.com.do/2014/12/27/apresan-pelotero-starlin-castro-tras-tiroteo-discoteca-seis-resultaron-heridos#sthash.jOfF8qaG.dpuf

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    HL, thanks for the translation.

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    Thanks.

  • Can't judge one way or the other at this point. I know from hard personal experience bad luck isn't something one gets to choose.

  • In reply to givejonadollar:

    True, but you can choose who you hang out with and where you choose to go. One easy way to avoid shootings is not to go late nights to night clubs. Didnt a football player get shot several years ago at a night club?

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    Maybe stop going to night clubs? that might change his bad luck.

  • In reply to brober34:

    You got a millionaire 20 year old who is doing this in the off-season. Big deal. That's what the courts are for, let them decide. If he is innocent I'm sure he is going to feel the pressure to try to make better choices, but we don't have all the information in all the circumstances to truly deem him of any kind of fault.

    You can't always easily predict what your "crowd" is going to do nor the random things that are going to happen on a day to day basis.

    I guess next week if someone gets shot on Starlin's street, and he is standing there, everyone will be up in arms against him. My main point is simply that public evidence is scant for a public conviction here. :)

  • In reply to brober34:

    I dont think Castro is a bad person, but nightclubs usually attract some bad people looking for trouble. I understand he is young and is doing what a lot of people his age do. But he should understand that he is not the average 24 year old, especially in his home land where he very well known.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    He has a family John. Most of us would be home with them, not out at nightclubs where folks hang out whose idea of the "law" isnt exactly yours or mine. Someone in the Cubs FO had better get Castro to start excercising some good judgement.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I agree. He needs to find new places to hang out, or maybe stay in at night.

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    He's the starting shortstop on a premiere MLB team that is on the verge of something special and he pulls this stuff twice in an offseason. Unspeakably stupid and Theo (or Montero) needs to kick his butt to get him in line. There can't be a third shooting.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    What do you mean by "pulls this stuff twice"?... He was in the vicinity of the first shooting by being at a concert with his family. Not involved at all. Second shooting was between his brother, bodyguard, and a local administrative official and his driver. He was present for that, but not directly involved (as far as we can tell).

    Really unspeakably stupid for him to be a witness to two separate crimes.

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    In reply to Henry Loose:

    How many times in your life have you gone to a concert and had a gunfight break out? How many other players in the Dominican this winter have gone to a concert and had a gunfight break out? He has to exercise discretion.

    I'm with John. I've been defending him for a year but this is indefensible.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'm not saying the guy doesn't have to make better decisions about where he hangs out and with whom, I'm just saying that its a little bit hyperbolic to say its "unspeakably stupid" to be a witness to these crimes.

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    In reply to Henry Loose:

    He puts himself in a terrible situation and survives uninjured through sheer luck. A month later, he puts himself in the same terrible situation. What words other than "unspeakably stupid" apply here.

    To be fair, he probably put himself in the same terrible situation a lot between the two incidents and got lucky.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Going to a club is a terrible situation? granted there are risks involved, but they don't usually involve shootings.

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    In reply to Henry Loose:

    not that it matters, but I'm with Mike

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    and I just saw the easter bunny if Castro or his posse didn't have some connection with the last incident . they just had no evidence that we all know. But this same kind of stuff in the span of a couple weeks is all coincidence. sure it is .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    From the first incident: “Starlin and his family were in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Paul Kinzer told CBSChicago.com. “They were at a concert when someone in a black SUV started shooting at a car next to them. Starlin and his family are fine. They are clear of any involvement in this altercation by Dominican officials.”

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    uh huh we've all heard that version from Castro's agent . imagine that an agent wanting to clear his guys name . 3 VERY BAD SITUATIONS in a very short timespan , Sexual assault ( cleared) 2 shootings well lets just see what happens but, put it all together and is this the type guy to be on the Cubs roster opening day?

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    I've heard the same thing from a respected industry source -- and one that has no vested interest. Not with Cubs or team that is interested in acquiring Castro.

    The information points to non-involvement so while we may get upset about Castro's lack of judgment (as I am), it is completely unfair to assume him guilty of anything else and that this is all some big conspiracy. I have very good information from an honest, reliable source that the agent is correct.

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    In reply to Henry Loose:

    Mike Moody, I don't understand how anyone can read this and come to the conclusion he was 'incredibly stupid'. Being a very wealthy young man in the D.R. probably makes him a bit of a target. But that doesn't seem to be the case in the first incident. This second incident we just don't have enough information yet.

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    Castro is indeed not directly involved not even a person of interest from what I was told.

    I do understand that he may need to make different choices. I don't believe he is a bad person, but trouble has a way of finding people in the wee hours at nightclubs.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Thanks for confirming that. I just hope this kind of thing stops happening around him. He's obviously a talented player, and I hope he can continue to contribute to the Cubs organization, but I would understand if the front office cuts him loose (trade or otherwise). I understand that they're not the types to make knee-jerk reactions to things like this, but somethings got to give.

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    He may not be directly involved, but he certainly is having a lot of bad luck recently. Curious how it's the only player you hear of having this bad luck during this offseason.

  • In reply to howiehandles:

    did you miss out on the Taveras bad luck? Maybe it's just the fact the wealthy folks in the DR are susceptible to these types of incidents and until they mature enough to stay away from these clubsTthese might be more common than you expect.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Do you know if the DR is like our old "wild west"?. Maybe the cubs should tell Castro to move his family to the U.S. or maybe he's not smart enough to realize where he's going to "relax".

    I know some of the Caribbean countries are full of thugs and people need body guards even at their homes.

  • In reply to stix:

    Their is a fair amount of crime, targeting tourists and wealth. It's not uncommon in several Caribbean and Latin American countries. Was it Juan Uribe a few years ago?

  • even if He is cleared it is obvious that there is a pattern with this guy. I have been all for keeping Castro but I don't want bad character guys in the Cubs uniform . that's just me but I think he would fit in perfectly in NY now .

  • Who was it who once said "you are judged by the company you keep"? Seems Starlin has too many pals whos solution to a disagreement is shooting someone.

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    Seriously, again?? Find a new club, genius...or at least a new bodyguard. Between the (alleged) sexual assault and his proximity to two club shootings, I've run out of patience for this guy. He's either the unluckiest guy in the world, or the dumbest. He's making damn sure that he has no value on the trade market, so we left to hope that he grows up.

  • In reply to Voisie Winters:

    not that it changes the current situation but it was a different club than where he was in the first incident.

  • In reply to Voisie Winters:

    Thank you Voisie! There is absolutely no excuse for Castro's Pacman Jones behavior! Maybe I've lost count but is this not the 3rd incident?!!! And, I am confident that he has been through Cubs' training that tells you how to avoid these type of situations! Anybody making excuses for Castro needs to stop now! I'm with John in that I don't think Castro is a bad guy but he needs to learn how to avoid bad situations (clubs, concerts, bad people, etc.). Look, Castro has worked extremely hard to become an elite athlete; now he needs to work extremely hard at becoming an elite athlete with high character!

  • According to Castro's agent, Castro went to the police voluntarily

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-starlin-castros-agent-denies-arrest-report-in-club-shooting-20141227-story.html

  • For what it is worth, I have heard from a reliable source that he is in no way involved. That he is not even a person of interest, just needed for information.

    That said, maybe nightclubs aren't the best places to hang out, especially as it gets late into the evening. Trouble has a way of finding you.

  • Not much good happens in bars anywhere at 3 A.M. He needs to recognize that before he screws up his life or his career.

    He's had too many of these incidents to not fault his judgement.

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    In reply to xhooper:

    I wouldn't necessarily say that NO good happens at 3AM in bars. Some of my best stories...

    ....ahem. I digress.

    Anyway, let's see what happens before we pass judgement.

  • I remain unconvinced that Castro will be a L/T piece of the cubs puzzle.

    Something about him has always bothered me as a fan.

  • Per: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/27/report-starlin-castro-arrested-in-connection-with-shooting-in-dominican-republic/

    “Starlin was not arrested or detained or anything,” Kinzer said. “He went to the police station to make sure they knew he was not involved. They told him they had video so they knew he was not involved.”

    Kinzer did not know if the brother or Castro’s bodyguards were arrested.

  • So, first the story was that he was arrested. Then it was that he was detained for questioning. Now it turns out he went to the police voluntarily to give a statement. Sounds like some reporters got a little bit ahead of themselves.

    Still probably shouldn't be hanging out in those places, but man, talk about rampant tabloid journalism.

    John's response has been by far the most professional initial article I've read on the matter (as is usually the case, even on these more difficult pieces).

  • From Castro's agent: "He's got to move. He's got to get out of there," Kinzer (Castro's agent) said. "It's a shame. That's his home. But he's got to get out."

    "He's been sued for everything," Kinzer said of the three-time All-Star. "They're thinking if they can tie Starlin Castro to it, he's got to give them money."

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    I agree with his agent, He has to move. I understand its hard to leave your home but he has to look out for his self.

  • money has a way of changing peoples stories quite fast . just saying.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    can you say it a bit clearer. i don't know what you are implying.

  • In reply to djriz:

    just a general statement about the world

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    how does that apply to the thread you commented on?

  • In reply to djriz:

    . 2 shootings 2 times stories ran 2 times Castro is initially tied to it , 2 times his agent clears it up and at the end of it agent says its a money thing, people trying to sue ect. money has a way of changing peoples stories . a multimillionaire in a poor island environment has to be smarter and keep himself away from situations that can attract the ambulance chasers and con people . Even if he is 100% innocent of all the incidents he has been linked to he has damaged himself personally as well as destroyed any trade value or marketing value to the organization.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    i'll agree with everything except the last sentence. if he was not involved, his value is however he performs on the field.
    his marketing value had already been diminished. the team is obviously a rizzo/lester/bryant team now.
    i prefer he becomes 'monk-like' and plays ss the way he's capable of.

  • I think it's time for castro to move out the DR. I've been there and outside of the resort is not a safe place. I heard he spoke to theo and theo and castro's agent says even though he is not at fault he needs to leave the clubs alone and realize he is not a normal 24 year old. I think castro is a good kid and hopefully this opens his eyes.

  • PS I hope he is cleared and the Cubs FO pullS him out of the DR immediately .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Are they his parents? Pretty sure that's not how adult contracts are structured. Your boss can't just send you to the basement because they're unhappy with how you're behaving.

  • In reply to hawkmcd:

    pretty sure their are clauses in the contract that mandate a person live up to some type of moral clauses . PS military contracts are adult contracts and they sure as hell can send you to the basement as you put it .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Yes, but that allows them to void the contract, possibly fine him. They wouldn't allow them to tell him where he could and couldn't go, unless specifically stated in the contract.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    I'm not a lawyer but the military contracts are an interesting case. My understanding is they pretty much own you (that embellishing a bit, but not much when compared to an at-will employee who can quit at any point). I don't think members of the military are subject to protections of the Department of Labor (let alone a strong player's union).

    I agree that he should maybe spend less time there, but we have to keep in mind that this is his home, his family. Although he has money and a lot of luxurious benefits that come with it, the time he spends in the DR may be the one time where he doesn't feel like a foreigner/outsider with all the pressures that come with being expected to perform at a high level in a country where you don't speak the language. I'd be reluctant to give that up too if it were me.

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    Sad story . But the back ground is the problem . When you come from living on the streets to being a millionaire . You cannot go back to playing with the guys on the Streets . they have to get Mr. Castro out of the D.R. before its to late .

  • I'm not familiar with these venues but Anthony Santos is a famous bachata singer and that's as big in DR as salsa is in Cuba or Colombia. I doubt the venue that particular night is as sketchy as some might imagine.

  • I heard 3 years ago that Castro had Character issues. Those issues are well known around baseball execs. Which has made Castro very difficult to trade.

    The Bottom line is in a year the Cubs may choose to keep Castro because of his low trade value even though he is one of the top shortstops in baseball.

  • In reply to toddm:

    I don't think this is a reflection of his character. All he did wrong was being at that place at that time. I do think its a bad situation in that people are going to try and find a reason to say look I told you so. I will say it again he needs to leave the DR because its not just the last two things that happened but also the people who where trying to hold his money from him. It just looks like the DR is just bad for him.

  • These young guys feel they gotta sew their wild oats. Especially since they got the money to do whatever. I see a slight comparison to what Kaner went thru w/the Hawks, minus the guns of course. I'm with his agent. He needs to stay in the states. Take a vacation here n there back to his homeland, but stay out of the trouble drawing spots.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I think there are a great deal of similarities with the Patrick kane issues when we talk strictly about individual behaviors (not to mention talent and early inconsistent play)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Lets hope we get the same response & maturity out of Castro that we got from Kaner. Seems the Hawks organization got thru to Kane & he's been a good guy & his play on the ice has reflected it.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Patrick Kane was a fun loving drunk - He was like mark Grace

    This kid has people that do not want him on their team - Rumor has it that the Cubs have a gluten of shortstops and want to trade Castro isn't funny how there are no takers.

    Young - Cost controlled -Top 10 shortstop in baseball all things considered.

    Its the Crazy girl scenario - As long as crazy factor is below or even with the good looks factor all is fine. But if the crazy over takes the looks better kick her loose if she doesn't kill you first.

    Castro plays at an 8 - The crazy was at a 7 or 8 (with the rape charges and other in housed incidents) and now their are multiple shootings.

  • In reply to toddm:

    Mark Grace repeatedly getting behind the wheel too hammered to drive is fun! It's not dangerous at all! He's just having fun!

    SMH.

  • My sources tell me it was either the Diaz brothers or Sosa, behind the shooting. They are running ballistics on the shell casings. In any case, what could possibly go wrong at a nightclub in a third world country, at 3am, with booze flowing, women crawling around all over the place, young, single millionaires and sawed off shotguns under each table? Since all men, either directly or indirectly pay for sex anyway, why not treat Castro as if he was a member of the FBI or CIA and give him a hooker allowance, provided he confines himself to the hotel room and not the local pub?

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    Have to believe it's a matter of when, not if, the Cubs trade Castro.

  • I'll (obviously) wait to pass judgement until we see what's all up here - but at the least it would seem that Mr. Castro needs to simplify his life and lifestyle some.

    I had my share of moments of stupidity prior to my mid-20s - and did find myself in the back seat of a squadcar on one occasion (due to association with a few other individuals who were acting up - I am tend to be a quiet and calm drunk,...). Probably should have been at least 'talked to' by Cops a few more times than that,....

    I do think he needs to consider a somewhat quieter life in the offseason as this does appear to be a trend of bad things happening in his proximity.

  • An New Article of Starlin Castro In DR:

    The shortstop for the Chicago Cubs Starlin Castro, was arrested and interrogated by the Dominican authorities over an incident at a nightclub in which three people were wounded by gunfire.

    Castro was among six people arrested in the early hours of Saturday the altercation that left three bullet wounds, including one seriously, the police spokesman Jacobo Mateo Moquete reported. In addition, the house of the ballplayer was searched inlooking for firearms-related altercation.

    "Castro was arrested and interrogated by prosecutors for his connection with the disturbance," Mateo Moquete confirmed in a telephone conversation with the AP.

    He added that Castro was released on Saturday without radicarle charges, while the others involved were detained to face charges.

    The shooting occurred at about 3 am in the Ocean club in the city of Montecristi, about 300 kilometers northwest of the Dominican capital.

    Castro issued a statement in which he proclaimed his innocence.

    "Everything that is said regarding problems occurred where my name is no truth," said 24-year baseball player. "I'm focused on my training as a professional baseball, to have a good season in 2015".

    His agent Paul Kinzer said his client went to the police voluntarily to make sure they knew he was not involved.

    "They say they have video and know who is not involved," Kinzer said.

    Castro held a press conference this month after his name was linked to another shooting in a nightclub. The ballplayer said at the time he had already left the premises when the incident occurred.

    "They keep putting your name on it and he had nothing to do with the two incidents," said Kinzer. The agent said Castro spoke with the Cubs and "they are not happy because his name was involved again."

    Read more here: http://www.elnuevoherald.com/deportes/article5045613.html#storylink=cpy

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    Alright. I think he's had his fun. Time to get him back stateside.

  • Well, if it's his bodyguards that keep getting involved in this trouble, then he needs to fire them. They're probably dropping his name to try & get out of trouble or to have him come bail their butts out of jail. He needs to disassociate himself from them. So if he needs to stay in the states for about 4 or 5 offseasons to stay away from there, then he should do so going forward. Then his name can't be dragged thru these shootings.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Of course there are never such shootings here in the states....

  • We didn't want to trade any of the SS, and by the looks of this it's a good thing!!! He needs to pull his head out of his butt!!! I hope and pray he matures and truly becomes the MLB player he should be!!!

  • Enough with this clown! Trade him to the Mets and lets get some pitchers for him.

  • In reply to Cubby Jim:

    And if you don't want him, why would the Mets?

  • Hello!!... Don't live in a place where you need bodyguards!

    Pack up your family and all of your stuff and move to the U.S.
    I'd stay out of Miami, too. A lot of stuff seems to go on there.

    There a plenty of nice, warm, crime free places in this country.

  • Stop your ramblin', stop your gamblin',
    Quit staying out late at night
    Stay home with your wife and family
    Stay there by the fireside bright.
    -Lead Belly

  • In reply to wastrel:

    Lead Belly was a wise man.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Leadbelly was arrested twice for murder and was convicted once. He got pardoned by singing a song for the Texas Governor.

    I don't pretend to know anything about this situation with Castro and think it would be incredibly presumptuous of me to pretend I did.

  • Seems to me that Castro at the very worst is guilty of being a young twenty-something who makes un-wise choices. Not that unusual and not something worthy of an internet dog-pile. I for one will not use terms that denigrate his character as some posters have. It's real easy to sit at home and judge. To me innocent until proven guilty should not even need to be pointed out.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    Agreed.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    agreed

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    Totally agree!!! I already said it! He needs to grow up. He has 2 strikes against him, grip up on the bat and put the ball in play!!! Third strike and you're OUT!!!!!

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    In reply to Bilbo161:

    I'm not denigrating his character but I am questioning his judgement. I do think his behavior has shown slightly more than typical youthful indiscretions. It's fixable and he should be given every opportunity to do so but I also think we shouldn't minimize it. He has a problem and needs help.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Not to nitpick, but what behaviors has Starlin exhibited that go beyond youthful indiscretions? IMHO, he's more a victim of where he's living and his "celebrity" status and not putting two and two together to see that perhaps he can't live where he wants to any more. But that's also got to be an incredibly tough thing to go through and most of us even as older adults would struggle with it. Imagine being in a situation where you had to leave the U.S. and leave behind all your friends and family because some jacka&&es start crap at nightclubs....

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    In reply to Pura Vida:

    He's now been involved in 3 highly negative situations in 3 offseasons. Included in that is two shootings and a rape charge. These are not common occurrences. There are many players who winter in the Dominican. Many who enjoy partying. Yet this happens to Starlin twice in a month and no one else I can remember off the top of my head? How many players who winter in the US are accused of rape? These are not happening with any frequency to other players. The only tenable explanation is that he's putting himself into extremely risky situations. What's worse is that he didn't learn from the first shooting a month ago.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Mike, living in the DR is a risky situation in and of itself.

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    In reply to Pura Vida:

    If this is common, why doesn't it happen to every player that winters down there? Or at least more than 1 of them?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Seems to me that it did (Tavares). My point isn't that Castro shouldn't make a serious change to the way he's living his life. My point is that the details of Castro's "behavior" are actually a reflection of other people's behavior (remember, Castro hasn't been involved in any of the gun incidents as far as we know. He's been cleared of the 1st and apparently of the 2nd as well). He should stay home or move to the U.S., though, because it's clear that's not a great place for him to live.

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    In reply to Pura Vida:

    Taveras died of a car wreck caused by drinking and driving. That had everything to do with him, personally, being stupid and nothing to do with the Dominican Republic. That's actually a point in my favor.

    Again: was Castro brought kicking and screaming to these clubs where other people behaved badly or did he go of his own volition? That was the immature action: going in the first place. The other players, not all of whom are saavy veterans, seem to know this because it doesn't happen to them.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Not sure why I can't reply to you below, Mike, so I'm doing so here. I think we are in full agreement that Starlin needs to stop frequenting these places. I'm just trying to add a little nuance to the discussion. For instance, with Tavares, you are correct that he was drunk driving and, as such, is primarily responsible for his own death. However, I know from extensive experience that the roads in Latin America tend to be awful and increase the likelihood of such accidents because of poor lighting, awful road conditions and sometimes even totally unmarked/unpainted roads which, when combined with the poor lighting, makes it really hard to stay on course... even when drunk. In other words, was Tavares drunk? Yes. Is he responsible for his own death? Yes. Were there other elements that contributed to that death? It's likely.

    In the case of Starlin, is he stupid for going to the nightclubs? Yes. But did he commit a crime? No. He didn't. I feel like people are reacting to this as if he's responsible for the events at the nightclub and I read your initial comments about his "behavior" as hinting that he was somehow responsible for the events at the nightclub... or even with the sexual assault case which we don't know details about.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Vida, Taveras situation is a bit different. He was killed drinking and driving. So was the then 49io Oscar Acosta about 8-9 yrs ago. You can question Taveras poor judgement getting behind the wheel of a car drunk, several thousand Americans of all stripes du that every weekend. The pattern of incidents is whats disturbing about Castro.They show he doesnt seem to learn from his mistakes.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    Agreed and thank you.

  • In reply to Alabama Cubs Fan:

    Soooooo much agree with u and Mike!!!!

  • I want to say one last thing on the subject. I am more worried about the young man instead of the young ballplayer. He is going through to much in DR and he needs to stay in the US. He could have been hurt or killed in both cases, Instead of worring about what the cubs do with castro I just hope the kid learn from this and stay out of situations like this.

  • In reply to seankl:

    Great post, thank you.

  • In reply to seankl:

    Wasn't the sexual assault charge in the US?
    Everybody has a personal responsibility to not put themselves in situations that can lead to problems. Rich ballplayer or not.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Having sexual relations with a women is not putting yourself in a situation. Some situations are not avoidable, It's called life and the world we are in. You can be the best defensive driver but that doesn't mean you cant crash.

  • In reply to seankl:

    3 insteads in 2 yrs is a really bad unlucky streak.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    But put it into context. Look at where he lives and his status.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    And how many players live where he does and we never hear anything. But I am not judging it just rises an eyebrow.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    I agree that it does raise concerns. However, I'd say we know very, very, very little about the actual details of any of the 3 incidents (perhaps you know more with your connections). We know nothing about who he's with. Why he's going where he's going. Who started the shooting. Their position in the community. What the club's reputation within the community is. Etc, etc, etc, etc. I'm concerned about this, too, but bad luck is a thing and let's not try him with such little evidence to go on.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Did I or did I not say I am not judging.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    And how many of those players we never hear anything about also live where he does and are 24 year old, 3 time MLB All-Star millionaires? Seems like a pretty naive argument not to acknowledge it's possible such a person could be unfairly taken advantage of despite said player's sub-optimal choices. But I am not judging it just raises an eyebrow. See what I did there?

  • In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    I don't think they should trade him or anything. But I still think he has some growing up to do.

  • In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    A guy named Sammy Sosa lived nearby. He's been accused of taking PEDs, but to my knowledge he wasn't involved in any off season shootings...

  • http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2014/12/27/7436731/starlin-castro-3000-hits

    Everyone take a look at this link about Starlin Castro.

    It explains where he ranks in hits compared to Hall of Famers at his age, and if gives you what his chances and projected year he would reach 3,000 hits, this is according to the famous Bill James. It's pretty interesting, with the recent troubling news on him, and in my opinion its a good thing to see how valuable a guy like Starlin Castro is...because he is one of the most underrated player on the Cubs and in baseball in my opinion. Even though he's already a 3 time allstar at the age of 24, which speaks volumes. I urge you to check it out, hey John...maybe you could do an article on our current players projections with the Bill James method, it'd be very interesting to see!

  • In reply to WJL3:

    Let's not crown anyone a Hall of Fame until they get there.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    I'm simply trying to push others attention to something interesting, not that Castro being a thug isn't interesting, hah but you know.

  • Cubs All-Star shortstop Starlin Castro had nothing to do with a shooting in the Dominican Republic that reportedly left six people injured, and Castro was neither arrested nor detained, Castro's longtime agent Paul Kinzer said.

    "He wasn't arrested. That's just the [Dominican] media trying to get headlines," Kinzer told CBSSports.com by phone. "He answered questions, he wasn't involved and they know it."

    Early reports suggested Castro was "arrested" but later amended to say "detained" -- though Kinzer maintained that neither characterization is correct. An ESPN report quoted a police spokesman saying Castro may have been "very close" to a suspected shooter, but Castro reportedly said in a press conference there that he knew nothing about the shootings.

    Kinzer said Castro just happened to be present when the shooting occurred, but went out the back door, then went to the police to answer questions though he knew nothing about it. The ESPN report said one of the six people shot, Jeremias Martinez, was "gravely ill" and taken to nearby Jose Maria Cabral hospital in Santo Domingo.

    Castro was cleared in a different shooting incident earlier this month after also being asked questions. Kinzer suggested Castro's status as a wealthy celebrity makes him a target in his homeland, and that he needs to leave there. The agent said Cubs people are advising the same, though the team hasn't yet commented.

    "He's got to move. He's got to get out of there," Kinzer said. "It's a shame. That's his home. But he's got to get out."

    Kinzer said there have been continuous baseless attempts to extract money from Castro, who signed a $60 million-plus, six-year deal in the summer of 2012.

    "He's been sued for everything," Kinzer said of the three-time All-Star. "They're thinking if they can tie Starlin Castro to it, he's got to give them money."

    Castro was cleared the last time he was present for a shooting, and according to Kinzer, Castro knows nothing about either shooting.

    "He had nothing to do with the last one [either]," Kinzer said. "He saw a shooting and ran away. He told them, 'I don't know what happened.' They told him, 'Don't worry about it.' "

  • Does anyone remember Jake Spoon?

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    In reply to Quasimodo:

    Hanged.

  • In reply to Ray:

    Whereas Sheriff Bart was "hung."

  • In reply to Ray:

    Yep, because he was associating with the wrong people. Castro needs to change his friends and his environment, or he will be hung literally by the DR, or judged by baseball.

  • Listen, I don't care if the dude has nothing to do with the shootings or not (obviously I do care, just saying). I'm a bit more concerned that he's hanging out around places where shootings are occurring. Dude needs to keep himself safe. I think it is time to head back to the States. Maybe I'm just a little gun shy after Tavares, but c'mon. Don't need our AS shortstop getting hit by a stray bullet.

  • I am a licensed mental health professional with a graduate degree. It would be easy (and stupid) to diagnose S. Castro without conducting a clinical interview and social study.
    And as others have noted, this may be a case of the wrong place and at the wrong time.
    But, it is not a "reach" to conclude that, based on recent incidents, Castro is immature, impulsive, has some attention and judgment deficits. And does not appear to learn from his mistakes.
    The Cubs cannot keep watch over him 24/7. And they cannot insist that he move back to the U.S. where someone with his personality makeup can find trouble whenever he wishes.
    What they can and should do is get him into a structured outpatient treatment program and monitor his compliance. In the United Ststes.
    (Brandon Marshall might serve as an example. Seems to have improved his behavior and mental stability.)
    If strong and steady action is not taken, the next headline is likely to be Castro's obituary.

  • In reply to tboy:

    Agreed!!! He needs help!!! The Cubs need to step up and do something now before it's to late!!!!

  • In reply to tboy:

    I think you should have quit while you were ahead and ended with the sentence that contained the word "stupid."

  • In reply to BudMan:

    Please feel free to write what you want.
    And allow others to express themselves as they wish.
    I said what I thought needed to be said.

  • Not to make excuses for Castro, but he did lose his cousin and three close friends in a car crash a few months ago. Perhaps that could be affecting his behavior, especially if his judgment is a little shaky to begin with.

  • Castro is a straight bad a$$! Pitchers are gonna be scared to pitch to him. Lol. On a serious note I think Mr Castro is taking his opportunity for granted. He needs to get a new crew or he will learn the meaning of easy come easy go.

  • In reply to Trey Mcfreakin Nut:

    Hah i believe the Cubs will or have said something along those lines to him, in so many words. This will be a good wake up call for him. It's nice to know certain things we didn't expect out of players such as Castro, we Cub fans always find something good in something bad

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    I grew up in the Caribbean. There are the tourist areas, and then there is a whole different world. The nightclubs where the locals hang out are like the cantina in Star Wars. This is a case of "you can take the boy out of the country but you can't take the country out of the boy." Castro needs to learn that he's outgrown this type of crowd.

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    8:32pm: Castro has been cleared of any involvement in the shooting by the Dominican General of National Police, tweets Bruce Levine of 670TheScore.com.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Great to hear. Expected it, but still great to hear.

  • having armed bodyguards is a mature decision.

  • Just my added .02, fwiw, but I can see the kid being cognizant of how he is viewed by his friends and family now that he has become a celebrity in the DR. It might be difficult for him to tell these people that he no longer will hang with them, fearing they will see that as looking down his nose at them. I do agree that he is going to have to do that, but I can empathize also.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Completely agree. Well said.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Yes, it might be difficult. Probably will be.
    How about being dead? How is that on a scale of difficulty?

    No one ever gets shot in the cross fire in this type of situation?

    Does Castro think this is an Al
    Pacino movie. Where people wipe the fake blood off and go have a Piña Colada?

    He needs to wake up. See my previous note about interventions.

  • Despite Castro having his name cleared in this latest episode this is the type of transgression that could lead to the end of his career in Chicago. It no longer matters if it was a "big misunderstanding"... the Cubs have a substantial investment in him and one of the faces of the organization is busy clubbing instead of devoting time to his family and career.

    And now he is going to visit with the fans at the convention in a couple weeks? If I'm the team that no longer should happen.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    It's really easy to say that Castro should stop going to clubs or hanging out with friends and family. Should he? Yes. But making that decision is very difficult. How do you tell friends and family your job is more important to you you than they are? I have a really tight knit group of family and friends and I guarantee that what they think of me is far more important than any job - and I'm in my man in my 40s. We're talking about a kid in his early 20s who will get peer pressure to show that he's still "one of the guys" and that MLB hasn't "changed him". Believe me he probably cares more about friends and family than the Chicago Cubs (and if he doesn't I'd respect him less). He certainly could care less about what we think.

    I remember coming back from college for the first time, I wanted to cling to my past and act like nothing changed. It took me a few years before I figured out that I was different and nothing was the same. Now, imagine going through everything he has to get to where he is. That's a lot of changes - more than I ever went through. I'm guessing he's trying to cling to what used to be "normal" for him and hasn't quite figured out that his situation is totally different.

    I suppose you could try banning him from the Cubs convention or maybe you have him show up and sit down and discuss it with him. Maybe bring in a teammate or former teammate that he respects (Soriano perhaps?) to explain to him that his situation IS different now. Maybe he can weigh in on what lifestyle changes to make and how to approach get his family to understand.To me that's a far better way to protect my investment than cutting Castro loose.

  • and why should that no longer happen?

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