Joe Maddon thread: Cubs, Twins to talk to Maddon? Angels, Mets, Dodgers, and Braves are out

Okay, this is getting serious now.

The Dodgers and Mets, both thought to be early contenders for the services of manager Joe Maddon, have vehemently denied interest.

The Cubs, meanwhile have said nothing.  In fact, according to the Score’s Dan Bernstein, they plan to talk to him,

#Cubs plan to talk to Maddon. Could still try to retain Renteria in some capacity, if it works.

We can almost hear Theo Epstein’s words…

This is by no means a reflection on Rick Renteria, who has done a tremendous job for us, particularly with our young talent.  It was a difficult decision to move on after just one year.  We believe Ricky will be a fine manager some day, but when you get a chance to get the best manager in the game, you have to seize that opportunity.  We think Joe Maddon is an impact manager and can help us take this team to the next level.

Few managers can impact a team and maximize their talent like Joe Maddon can.  But it is more than that,  He can have an impact as far as players wanting to come and play in Chicago,  As well as Renteira did in his first year, few players will come here specifically to play for him.  Maddon, on the other hand, is not just a proven winner, but he also creates an environment in which players want to play.  He would be like adding a turbo boost to this rebuilding movement.

I don’t think you consider this move with any other manager.  Not Joe Girardi.  Not even Terry Francona.  But Maddon is special and I think you have to at least look into making this work somehow while still retaining Renteria in some capacity.  I would give Renteria his choice of staying on the bench, moving upstairs, or moving on to another organization.  Personally, I hope he stays one way or another.

Hinske turns down Yankees

A little blurb I had to mention because, how cool is it that guys are turning down the Yankees to stay with the Cubs?  Apparently, the Yankees wanted Eric Hinske to be their new hitting coach.

Remember when we said the Cubs will be passing the Yankees by 2015?  i think it may have already happened in some respects.  The Cubs are becoming a preferred destination.  As we mentioned in our last piece, friends of Maddon would be very interested in coming to manage the Cubs (per Peter Gammons).

After 3 frustrating rebuilding seasons, it’s becoming cool to be a Cub.

Tribune Video

I did a video for the Tribune.  Actually couldn’t do a “video” because I am not in my home.  So I did it by phone and sent them an old picture so you can imagine me saying those words.  Anyway, I talked to them before some of the recent news came to light, but you can hear some of my thoughts on Maddon, Renteria, Lester, and Hamels.

 UPDATE:  Buster Olney is now saying that rival executives may want to have the Cubs investigated for tampering should they land Joe Maddon,

Rival executives believe that if Joe Maddon winds up with the Cubs, the Rays will investigate the issue of tampering.

Tampering charges are rarely, if ever, are ever founded, but it’s nice to know our rivals care.  It’s good to be relevant again.

UPDATES: 5:30 PM

All via Twitter

  • David Kaplan tweets: I’ve spoken with handful of solid baseball sources since the Joe Maddon news broke. Yes, Cubs are frontrunners but several teams interested.
  • Joel Sherman tweets: #Mets #Dodgers execs now on record to no on Maddon. Been told no by #Braves #Bluejays teams thought could be in play. All pointing to #Cubs
  • From Jeff Passan:  One Maddon confidante believes he wouldn’t have opted out without a sense of what the market would bear. And he wants to go big market.

Regarding Passsan’s tweet…what big market is left except for the Cubs?  The Dodgers are out.  The Mets are out.  They Yankees and Red Sox don’t need a manager.  The Angels are likely set with Mike Scioscia.

As Sherman says, “All signs pointing to the Cubs” right now.  I’ve gone from thinking this was just a curiosity to the gut feeling that the Cubs make this move.

UPDATE: 8:25 AM (10/25)

  • Another big market team, the Los Angeles Angels, have said they are staying with Mike Scioscia.
  • Meanwhile, a small market team, the Minnesota Twins, say they will talk to Maddon.  As I said earlier, I can’t imagine Joe Maddon leaving the Rays to manage the Twins.  He’d be in the same situation financially (as far as the team, anyway) and he doesn’t even get the nice weather.
  • As far as my own stance, I want to clarify something.  If the Cubs feel hiring Maddon is best for the team, then I am all for it.  When I say I feel for Renteria, it doesn’t mean it would get in the way of making the best decision.  It just means that if the Cubs do decide to bring on Maddon, that they treat Renteria with the respect that he deserves.  And based on the way we have seen Epstein and Hoyer conduct business in the past, I have no doubt that they will handle this with class.

9:3o PM

  • Alan Nero, Maddon’s agent, was on The Score with Bruce Levine and Wayne Randazzo.  Randazzo summed up the interview well in this tweet,

Randazzo tweet

  • Not an update, but a Twitter follower re-puprosed an old tweet of mine about Cubs back channels.  The “Joe” was originally Joe Girardi, but it works just as well now for Joe Maddon.

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  • Just a thought here but the Cubs silence speaks volumes.  Every other potential landing spot with the exception of the Twins, who are the longest of longshots despite being the only team with a current opening, have spoken up to declare that they will not make a managerial change.  The Cubs have not done so to this point.

10:00 AM

  • Not everyone in the industry is happy with this potential move.  I spoke to one source who believes it shows a lack of loyalty on Epstein’s part and that he would not work for him for that reason.  Yes, this is an upgrade but it does not necessarily put the Cubs in a favorable light around the league.  We already know rival execs have considered filing tampering charges.  The Cubs undoubtedly know this and it will be something they will have to balance.  The Cubs would have to feel strongly enough about Maddon as an upgrade to deal with the PR hit they may take for this move.

 

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  • Ha! I think if Theo is reading this, he's wondering how you got that file off his laptop John. Oh and Theo if you're reading, sign Maddon!!!

  • In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    :)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    The devil is in the "blah blahs":)

  • In reply to All W Days:

    It always is.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    The Renteria side of this situation is a whole lot trickier than most commenters want to acknowledge. There are only 30 big-league managing jobs, and the Cubs' job is one of the more desirable. Renteria finally landed a dream job after years and years of waiting for such an opportunity. He's on a 3-year contract, and did a good job in his first season. Paying him off wouldn't square this thing; Cubs have to pay him in full regardless. Re-assigning him to a different position internally wouldn' square this either. Taking away Renteria's dream job would be a flat-out kick in the teeth. The Cubs would take a huge hit in the area of how it treats its people. Execs, players and everyone else in the industry would notice. Look, I love Joe Maddon. And I love my Cubs. And I'd love for Maddon to be our manager. He's great. But many of you feeling the same way have lost sight of the whole picture here. This situation presents a major challenge in order to both procure Maddon and also treat Renteria right. The way I see it, the Cubs would have to find Renteria a managing position with a different team in order to make this right all the way around. Maybe this scenario would work. The Cubs offer Renteria to the Rays and tell the Rays they will pay his entire salary next two years.

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    In reply to michaelc:

    Ridiculous all the way around. This is business. It's cutthroat. You go get the best if you can. And the idea that the Cubs would have to find Renteria a managing position with a different team is baloney.

  • The winds of change are blowing stronger with the bleachers down, and opportunities abound......

  • "Few managers can impact a team and maximize their talent like Joe Maddon can. But it is more than that, He can have an impact as far as players wanting to come and play in Chicago"

    My first thought as well. Want to show you are serious and in win now mode, go get Maddon. I'd try to get him immediately, use him as a huge selling piece to Lester. Go from there.

  • At this point with the number of national guys and people close talking Maddon to the Cubs I will be surprised if in the next couple of days He isn't the Cubs manager. Theo will get Him if Theo thinks this move will positively impact the organization.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    I agree. I can't imagine Maddon would've gotten out of his deal if there hadn't been something in the works behind the scenes already. Doesn't make much sense if he didn't have a landing spot.

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    Actually, Maddon apparently didnt know he even had an opt-out in his contract until Friedmans replacement told him.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    I could be wrong but I thought I read it was Maddon's agent that told him.

  • In reply to John57:

    Maddon's agent was just on the Score. He put the language into the contract. It sounded like it was procedural for the club to notify Joe when Friedman left.

  • Hey there's no place I'd rather be. If Maddon is hired and RR sticks around that wouldn't be the first guy to just move over and make room for new talent. Are we going to stockpile managers now? First players then coaches and now managers.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    Can't have too many shortstops or managers.

  • If they actually do meet with him then the deal has to get done. There is no going back at that point.

    Hopefully Renteria gets to stay on in FO. Renteria does not seem to have a huge ego so I could see him accepting another position within the org.

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    In reply to mjvz:

    I tend to agree with this. I'm hoping they've already reached out to Renteria because this can not have been a fun afternoon for him.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I would hope so. If they do not actually reach out to Renteria and inform him of the situation, then frankly they would deserve to have it blow up in their face.

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    oh man, as much as i love Joe after watching him run the Rays the last 9 years, let me throw some cold water on this. Cubs fans have barely had the capacity to grasp Theo's rebuilding plan; how long til one of Joe's oddball moves backfires, and the media tears him apart? He's a great manager, a thinking man's manager, but his strategic moves can be tough to grasp when they go awry.

  • In reply to NaughtyJohnny:

    He is quirky but I think the good outweighs the bad. And I think people will give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I think this would be a great hire for a lot of reasons. For me once we get to the place where the playoff pressure is enormous I think you need a quirky kind a guy that can take some of the tension away. There's a real benefit in my opinion to get a manager who's been there/done that.

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    Agreed.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I can imagine what animals he"ll bring into the Cubs clubhouse, Maybe his cuckatoo to hunt for the ghosts of billy goats.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    Haha!

  • Given RR's positive impact on the players' development, if Maddon is hired, I hope they find a way to keep RR.

  • In reply to All W Days:

    Agreed.

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    Joel Sherman: Heard Maddon seeking 5-yr, $25M range #Mets never going there for $ reasons. Also not sure Alderson believes mgrs should earn at that level

    I doubt the Ricketts would bat an eye at that.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    That is less than I thought it would take.

    Would they actually being paying 3 managers next year? How long was Sveum's contract?

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    In reply to mjvz:

    He was signed to a three year contract. I can't remember an extension being given, so that would have ended this year.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I seem to recall it being 3 years as well, but I wasn't 100% sure. So, it would just be two salaries in that case, and it isn't like Sveum and Renteria were big money hires anyway, so it wouldn't make a huge difference.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    If Theo and Jed want him, he'll pay.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    "Joel Sherman: Heard Maddon seeking 5-yr, $25M range..............I doubt the Ricketts would bat an eye at that."

    I should say so. With hardly a thought, they wasted that kind of money on Scott Hairston and Scott Baker!

    Hiring Maddon, quirks and all, may well be the biggest baseball no brainer since the Yankees purchased Babe Ruth's contract for $125,000. Talk about accelerating the rebuild!

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    Nor would I.

  • Re: Henske - its like when McLeod passed on even interviewing for the Padres GM. Whether we want to believe it or not - executives and other management personnel are literally passing by other opportunities, and in some cases those opportunities are 'promotions' - in order to stay with the club. Its very telling...

    How bad would Theo feel if Maddon comes in and lets Henske go?!

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    I have been wondering about that too. I wonder if Theo would even be willing to cede that control to the Manager. Not sure he wants to allow the Manager to dictate the coaching.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    In 1983, the Bears hired Ditka. I remember a condition of his hiring is he keep Buddy Ryan D co-ordinator. I can see the same thing if the Cubs hire Maddon with the entire coaching staff.

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    Great point on McLeod. I forgot about that.

    The Cubs are cool now. We better get used to it.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    If memory serves, McLeod is from the SD area - so it wouldn't only have been a promo - it would have been going back to his roots. AND its San Diego (weather) for crying out loud.

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    Id likley think TBs other coaches are still under contract. Id doubt Hickey is likley to replace Bosio , for example. We also just hired a new hitting coach. Maddon has to know these things going in.

  • I think He would give Maddon control of bench coach hiring , rest of staff Bosio ect need to stay.

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    I wanted to take a minute before I made any comments about this. One thing that keeps coming up in my mind was that I really don't think RR was "our guy" for the manager of the Cubs. After Joe opted to return to the Yankees, the Cubs were left with some solid choices but not the guy that really felt great about.

    The Cubs management have worked extremely hard to rebuild this thing. And they did it so that when a can't miss type of guy became available, we could pounce on that opportunity. Most probably thought that type of move was restricted to players. But now we have the chance to hire one of the best managers in the game.

    And we have some that think we should honor the contract with RR. I say we do honor the contract because we would still have to pay the money owed to Ricky. Although RR was praised for bringing back the fun to the young guys and given some credit for Castro and Rizzo getting back on track, that is where it ends.

    Many of us questioned his moves on almost a daily basis. The fact is RR is still learning to be a manager. This move is an upgrade. This is also a business. The problem I have is with some that want the Cubs to just be "nice guys" and pass on Maddon because of some kind of unwritten loyalty we should show to anyone that comes to the Cubs. I'm sick and tired of being a nice guy!

    Maddon is also a key cog when it comes to future signings. With Price being available next year, do you think he is watching to see if Maddon gets the gig? Or when he questions why the Cubs didn't hire Maddon when they had the chance, Theo can just tell Price that we were trying to be nice guys by keeping Ricky the Rick.

    If we can land Maddon, I say go for it.

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    You realize that is Jesus was the manger, He would still be 2nd guessed. I'm all for upgrading all facets of the team but let's not pretend that Maddon won't make decisions that don't work out.

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    I think that you are grossly understating the impact of this decision by claiming that we want the Cubs "to be the 'nice guys'". If you fire, or at least demote, Rick Renteria after 1 season of doing exactly what he was suppose to do, in reuniting the team Sveum had shattered and reinstating self confidence in some of the younger players that we have a lot riding on, then you are telling Starlin Castro and any other prospect in the pipeline that they are in essence expendable.

    I admit my mouth is watering too at the idea of having Joe Maddon lead us to the promised land, but there is an element of accountability that this front office should lead from if they truly want to build a young 'core' of Cubs players.

  • In reply to good4you:

    " then you are telling Starlin Castro and any other prospect in the pipeline that they are in essence expendable"

    Isn't this, in fact, truth. No one, in any job, is irreplaceable. If a manager or player isn't getting the job done, or the team believes they can improve the by replacing them, then, yes, they are expendable.

  • In reply to Peter101:

    Someone yesterday made the analogy of the Blackhawks in 2009. Denis Savard and the then young stars like Kane and Toews came into and learned the NHL game from Savard. Joel Quennville became available after 2008 and the Hawks hired him as an area scout, then 5 games into the 2009 season replaced Savard with Quennville. Savard still works as a broadcaster for the Hawks and Quennville has won 2 Stanley Cups. This is a similair situation.

  • In reply to Peter101:

    "If a manager or player isn't getting the job done, or the team believes they can improve the by replacing them, then, yes, they are expendable."

    I would argue that Renteria did get the job done last year. Sure their record was still abysmal but when you check everyone's 2014 goals I'd say the Cubs faired rather well.

    And of course you always want the best available person for the job, in any case, but there is a human element that can be easily overlooked. These are men, human beings, young and underdeveloped ones at that, and in order to maximize their potential and continue to build their momentum you should be wary of this kind of shock to the system.

    The Cubs have an unbelievable opportunity to put more than a core, but an entire lineup of impact players on the field for the next 4-6 years. This is the advantage that has brought the Giants to their 3rd World Series in the past 5 years. This in why they and the Royals were able to blow past the Frankenstein teams of pieced together parts like the Dodgers and the Angels.

    Look at how the A's fell apart once Billy Beane tore apart their lineup and altered their team chemistry. Historic collapse.

    The only thing the Cubs having going for them if they do decide to drop Renteria is that they really don't have far to fall.

  • In reply to good4you:

    Say it with me know, people: the A's didn't struggle down the stretch because of what some national writer fed you about team chemistry. The A's were decimated by a combination of several injuries and regression on run scoring. The players he brought in performed well and the ones he traded did not. Please stop using this lazy analysis of their alleged collapse.

  • In reply to good4you:

    '....If you fire, or at least demote, Rick Renteria after 1 season of doing exactly what he was suppose to do, in reuniting the team Sveum had shattered and reinstating self confidence in some of the younger players that we have a lot riding on, then you are telling Starlin Castro and any other prospect in the pipeline that they are in essence expendable....."

    There's no one in baseball (or in any other endeavor) who, under a certain set of circumstances, isn't expendable.

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    In reply to bocabobby:

    I couldn't agree more with this, bocabobby. Theo's job is to get the best people available, which includes, players, managers and front office personnel.

    As for the source who said he wouldn't work for Theo because of perceived loyalty issues, sounds like sour grapes.

    Also, can a team be charged with tampering after a person has opted out of his contract? It's already been established that someone in the TB front office made Maddon aware of the opt-out clause, maybe they were subtly trying to push Joe out - what's so nice and loyal about that?

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    Here's hoping! I would not want to be Rick Renteria today though.......

  • In reply to Bob from Salem:

    I would, actually. If I'm Rick, I refuse to take any other role.... not because I'm offended (although he may be), but the Cubs are clearly behind the eight ball if they really want Maddon. Thus, they'd have to buy out the final two years of his contract and he's established himself as a reasonable option who can work well with developing players and should be able to find another top job in a year.

    Not sure if he'd play it like that, and I think it would be kind of an awkward locker room environment if he's still around. Hope they can make something work though.

  • In reply to hawkmcd:

    Assuming this is the path he's on, I would think RR's one year record has been an overall positive and could prove very tempting to teams either in the midst of or beginning a "rebuild through youth" plan. The year he has under his belt it would seem generally elevate him over those w/out a record at the MLB level.

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    Rival executives believe that if Joe Maddon winds up with the Cubs, the Rays will investigate the issue of tampering.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    Sounds like a stretch.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    ???

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    He opted out to get a bigger contract would be my though. Not because of the Cubs contacting him. Maybe pulling a Boston and trying to weasle compensation.

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    They see how strong our minor league system is. Maybe they think Theo will let them have Baez or Vogelbomb for nothing.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    Bring it on!!!

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    Wow. This tampering rumor is arguably the most positive sign yet.

  • In reply to BudMan:

    Theo and company are smart guys obviously. They know the rules and how to best "follow"them. I'm not worried that they'll get in trouble for anything.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    Someone needs to inform ole Buster that Theo Epstien or Tom Ricketts didnt put the opt-out clause in Ma ddons contract. Enough said right there. TB needs to be told where to stick it.

  • What about in a different capacity?

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  • In reply to ucandoit:

    Yeah, he would make a nice 2b starter.

  • In reply to ucandoit:

    We already have his former college pitching coach in our system......

  • As much as RR might be irked, in his heart he knows he'd hire Maddon if he were in Theo's shoes. Maddon is bi isn't he? I mean bi-lingual.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    to answer my own question "and Joe Maddon of the Tampa Bay Rays speak Spanish fluently" hmmm forgot where i stole that from.

  • If they get Maddon, maybe they can do some kind of college of coaches type of deal!

  • In reply to rsanchez11:

    I know you jest, but I can think of nothing better than having RR accept a significant field role under Maddon.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    If Renteria would be willing to accept that, it would be ideal. Whatever we may think of Renteria as a game manager, his reputation as an instructor and player development oriented coach from the bench is among the best in baseball.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed. I just don't know if he can accept a 'demotion'. If anyone can figure out a productive and graceful transaction it's this group of pros.

    RR did very well with what was given and I would be happy to see him continue if Maddon doesn't join.

  • In reply to rsanchez11:

    I have my doubts he would accept a bench role too. My best hope is he follows a similar path as AJ Hinch, who was bumped upstairs into player development, paid his dues and became a manager again.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    If Theo & Jed are serious about pursuing Maddon, the classy thing to do would be to reach out to Tampa Bay and Minnesota to let them know that RR might be available before they get too far down the road with other candidates.

    If neither is interested, then the best Ricky job could find would probably be with the Cubs, either as bench coach or in the FO, whatever he thinks is best for his career. Then, Brandon Hyde could do whichever job Ricky didn't.

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    Sign him. It's winning time.

  • A couple of questions: Do the cubs have an assistant director to minor league personnel? Renteria has proved he can work well with a number of players and he should be retained in some capacity. What other positions would be available in the front office where he could use his skills?

  • In reply to pricewriter:

    I think player development would be great for him but he strikes me as a guy who likes the energy of the game itself. I think he wants to be in the dugout somewhere -- but that is just my guess.

  • So people are mentioning Maybe Cardinals, Dodgers, Angels, and Cubs. Can't see Cardinals letting go of Methany, can't see Angels paying over $20 to buy out Scioscia , Dodgers say they aren't interested for what that is worth. Cubs looking good.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    $20 million for Scioscia

  • If the Cubs are going to do this - they better sign Maddon and not "Half-Ass" this in some way.

    It would at some level undermine Renteria with his young team - and make the 2015 Cubs go into the season with their '2nd choice' as manager,.... the guy everybody knows they had to settle for.

    But it isn't my decision,..... I wouldn't do it.

  • In reply to drkazmd65:

    The way events have transpired it's a fait accompli that RR will not manage the team next year whether or not they sign Maddon. No that's not fair to RR, and I think they will sign Maddon, but either way, its unlikely RR returns as Manager for precisely the reason you stated.

  • John,
    What do your sources say? You have to have better ones than Bernstein.
    You have to make this happen if you're The Cubs. He's a guy who can get you to the next step with development and then the next step afterwards.

  • In reply to Howard Moore:

    All I have is industry buzz, nothing directly from the Cubs. Everyone seems to think he ends up on the Cubs.

  • I'm all for getting Maddon. But then what happens to Bosio? Need/want both.

  • How many wins is a manager worth? What kind of WAR would we be buying for Maddon?

  • In reply to bzalisko:

    I think there is a range of 6-8 games. So the worst manager may cost you 3 to 4 games and the best may gain you 3 to 4. If those estimates are right and you can sign a top end manager for 5 million - it's money very well spent.

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    Can madden speak Spanish if we are changing the plan then Bryant will be ready for the start of the season we won't are cake and Theo plan also

  • In reply to Fred Barefield:

    Yes Maddon does speak Spanish.

  • This is certainly exciting, but I'm a little bit worried about our young players feeling whipsawed. This would be Castro's fourth manager in five years!

    By the same token, this feels a little bit like the moment the Bulls tossed aside Doug Collins -- a coach I liked at the time -- for a guy named Phil Jackson. So I'm having a hard time figuring out how to react.

  • In reply to Taft:

    Phil Jackson??? Hmm. He was good. Real good.

  • In reply to Taft:

    It's not like the NFL where switching offensive coordinators or a head coach makes a huge difference. Castro will be fine if he is on his fourth manager.

  • With Maddon, a 2-time Manager of the Year (08' & 11'), and one of the most respected managers in the game becoming available, the Cubs Front Office should move to hire him.

    I say hire Maddon as the Manager, move Renteria to Bench Coach (the job Renteria had with the Padres before being hired by the Cubs), and promote Brandon Hyde back over to either the player development side of things or something in the front office, as it's always been known that Hyde as Bench Coach was temporary as he definitely has FO aspirations. Maybe the Cubs could give Renteria an added title besides Bench Coach, like Asst, Managerand keep his salary the same so it would just be the "title" he was losing.

    I think the Cubs were happy with Renteria this year. He got the clubhouse to come together, and allowed the players, especially Castro & Rizzo to let their guard down again after being on the defensive with Sveum. The team morale was good and the players continued to play hard all year. Renteria deserves a lot of credit for that. He did a good job, no question about it. The fact that he is bilingual and can speak Spanish with the many latin players is a big plus as well... but really all those things he could do as a good bench coach.

    The Cubs FO could make the press conference all about how much they liked Maddon, and the opportunity to hire one of the top managers in the game, with the experience, and past success that the young Cubs team needs at this juncture, and with Renteria staying on as BC, I think Epstein & Hoyer can sell it to Maddon, Renteria, and the media/public as a huge "win-win" for all which will make the team and the organization stronger as a whole.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I hope this is how everything turns out! I really want to keep RR in someway and he doesn't strike me as a guy with a huge ego so hopefully he would be willing to step aside for Joe Maddon but still be a big part in development with the young guys and talking to our Latin players

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    I initially thought he was going to go to the Dodgers. Now that it doesn't seem to be an option, you basically have to look at it the same way you'd look at it if the Cubs were upgrading a player on the field. For example, if the Cubs could obtain Tulowitzki and would have to let Castro go or move him somewhere else, they'd do it in a heartbeat. Maddon is that substantial of an upgrade.

    On a human level, you have to feel for RR. He's been dreaming of this opportunity for much of his adult life. To do a decent job and lose your job; that sucks.

    I wonder how the Cubs players will reach? Especially the Latino players.

  • RR won't be on the bench next year. His next title with the Cubs, if there is one, will be much closer to "Special Assistant to the General Manager" or "Special Assistant to the President of Baseball Operations, not "Bench Coach."

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    In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    Agree. Very awkward otherwise.

  • In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    Renteria wants to be a manager. He's paid his dues for 15 years as a manager or coach. He was a bench coach with San Diego, and finally got his chance as a MLB manager with the Cubs last year. The last thing he would want to do is move to an operations position or someting like that, that would be a sign of failure, and derail his career path. He's been Manager for 1 year. A great learning experience and great for his resume, and if the Cubs don't fire him, but he instead makes room for Maddon by moving to "Asst Manager & Bench Coach", he would still be in position to be at the top of team lists looking for a manager when openings come along. If he helped Maddon get the Cubs to the playoffs (and hopefully more), Renteria would be a hot commodity around the league.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    This is so silly and will never happen. It's the most awkward situation imaginable for Maddon, the players, and most of all for RR himself. It's not about RR, or his resume, or his career path. I hope the Cubs find a spot for him, and I think they will, but it most certainly won't be anywhere on the bench.

    Now are you gonna bark all day little Dawgie or are you gonna bite? P.S. I kid, I kid...

  • In reply to YouCannotBeSerious:

    Roger that. There is no chance he is the bench coach next year.

    I'm in the minority but I don't care what happens to Renteria. Fire hire/move him whatever, just get him out of the dugout.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    We get it. You don't care about what happens to good people.

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    ...

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Just Rick.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Hi, I'm Robert1984 again. I can't move on!

  • In reply to Peter101:

    It's funny because I was talking about this with my buddy today and he wanted Renteria to stay at some capacity and called me a heartless SOB (he's a really old friend, I didn't get offended) for not caring about Rick.

    Pertaining to this conversation this is how I explained it...

    Sveum was a good guy. Edwin Jackson is a good guy. I guess it's only ok to get rid of people and call for their heads and jobs if they are hurting the Cubs. That nice guy thing goes right out of the window then.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    George Stiebrenner and his fistful of WS rings cared about peoples feelings ,, just sayin

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    "Sveum was a good guy. Edwin Jackson is a good guy. I guess it's only ok to get rid of people and call for their heads and jobs if they are hurting the Cubs. That nice guy thing goes right out of the window then."

    Yep, Sveum and Jackson are both incredibly nice guys. It's called the reality of professional sports and it happens all the time. There's nothing wrong with it and everyone understands it can happen. It's why players/coaches demand guaranteed contracts when they sign their contract. RR is laughing all the way to the bank if he gets paid 2 years to play golf and go fishing. And I'm sure he'll be able to catch another coaching gig (in some capacity) for another team, if he so desires.

  • In reply to Peter101:

    Stop and distinguish between two things, Robert1984: hiring Joe Maddon and an unnecessary disrespect for Renteria if he has to move on. You can hire Maddon and respect Renteria at the same time. It's not just possible, but desirable to do both. I am sure, Maddon himself, who carries a strong reputation for caring for those around him and creating a family-like atmosphere, wouldn't want Renteria disrespected on the way out.

    And for someone who doesn't claim to care about someone's feelings, you've attempted to write about a dozen posts under different names demonstrating that you feel like your feelings were hurt and taking things more personally than they were intended.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    "George Stiebrenner and his fistful of WS rings cared about peoples feelings ,, just sayin"

    That's nice but I don't see what that has to do with this conversation.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    With regard to Steinbrenner, Old Man wirtz won zero. PK Wrigley won zero. They were also heartless. The Patriots, Giants, Cardinals, the Red Sox and the more recent Yankees have won with respect and loyalty to employees. Don't pretend that's the only way you win. I'm ok with getting Maddon. I just don't think you need to disrespect Renteria as you do it. There is nothing noble about disrespect for people. I have no problem with hiring Maddon if that is what is best for the team, but how does being so disrespectful to past employees help anything?

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    "Don't pretend that's the only way you win."

    You're talking about something completely different. I have never once implied that the only way to win is to be heartless to employees. I'm not asking for the Cubs to be disrespectful while doing it.

    The only thing I said is I don't care what happens to Rick. The Cubs can treat him with him respect or not. My point is I, me personally, don't care what they do as long as they do it.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    As long as it's you that doesn't care, I'm fine with that. But I'll be disappointed in Epstein if he doesn't handle this with class and respect. It matters and it's not just me who thinks that. I've already heard from some in the industry who aren't enamored with the Cubs right now. The Cubs don't have to do right by Renteria, but they should and I believe they will to the best of their ability.

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    In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    I'd say you're in the minority.

  • In reply to Ray:

    Yeah, like I said.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    True, bur RRs one weakness was game decision making. Maddon is 60yrs old, and Im guesing hes likley to only manage another 5 yrs or so. He also wants to win a championship, the one blank spot on his resume, and the Cubs seem to have the horses for him to win with. RR can serve as Maddons bench coach and become manager again when Maddon retires. Could be the best of both worlds if done correctly.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    That would be great, close to an ideal outcome in my opinion.

  • we all know this is a business and so does RR. He has to be known to other players as a guy people would play for, bur Maddon is the type of guy that people want to play for and in Chicago to be on the team that will win a World Series. There are way to many positives to not make a move if it is available.

  • If Maddon comes on, what happens to Bosio?

  • In reply to Taft:

    Hopefully he gets an extension this year.

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    In reply to Taft:

    hopefully somebody asks him before they make the switch. As of right now i'd rather have Renteria and Bosio then Maddon and a question mark.

    And i say that as a tampa resident who knows Maddon well as a coach and have the utmost respect for him. I just really, really like Bosio as well.

  • Per Rosenthal...

    Just talked to Joe Maddon.

    He told me that after Andrew Friedman resigned, he had a two week window to decide whether to exercise opt-out. He was unaware of specifics until Rays' Matt Silverman informed him.
    I asked him specifically about Cubs. He said, "I don't know. I have to talk to people. I have interest everywhere right now. I've got to hear what everyone has to say."

    Asked him if he would sit out a year. He said, "I'd love to manage. If the right opportunity does not present itself, I would want to work. But I would hope it would be a managing position. If not, there are other things I can do that would make me an even better manager when I get the opportunity again."

    Asked if it was uncomfortable for him to have his agent, Alan Nero, contacting teams with managers already under contract. He said, "For me, it's not my responsibility to think for other organizations. I'm controlling what I can. I had this two-week window of opportunity. It's about myself, my family, my charities. At the end of the day, I would never ask or tell an organization what to do. That's not my business."

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    baseball is always about the business of a child's game.

  • I like the idea of getting Joe Maddon but is there anyone way RR stays? I like the way he handled the young guys and the Latin influence is important with guys like Soler, AA, and Baez

  • At this point I think the silence from the Cubs is a result of their planning on how to structure a deal and handle the existing managerial staff. This is not an opportunity Ricketts and Theo can pass on if they are truly looking to win a championship.

    Two of the most important reasons to make this move are the St. Louis Cardinals and Los Angeles Dodgers. The Cards are always going to be a factor in the Central Division and the Dodgers just hired Friedman. Competing against those two teams will be difficult enough and if Maddon were to go to either of those the task of beating them becomes even more difficult in the future.

    And speaking of RR... are we going to be upset about the feelings of Valbuena when Rizzo takes his place at 3B next year? Or if we dump EJax and pick up Lester? It's about winning, not personal feelings. Get Maddon in a Cubs uni, Theo.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    I don't know about Valbuena's feelings, but I know mine will be crushed if Rizzo is playing 3rd base at any time next year.

  • In reply to copinblue:

    Prepare to be crushed my friend.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    Whoops, meant Bryant not Rizzo. Already getting those two mashers mixed up.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    That would be an interesting look with Rizzo playing 3B. :-)

    One has to be pretty excited about those two boppers manning the corners.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    One other thing, who likley would know Andrew Friedman better than Joe Maddon, other than perhaps Mike Scocsia?

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    John,

    After this dream come true and we sign Madden, how long before Ben Zobrist arrives...?

  • In reply to Michael Papa:

    Oh man...that would be great. Zobrist would be such a great fit.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Well , with Friedman gone TB wont get "surplus value" for him. Whom in our system might be a match for Zobrist?

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    They still scare me, though. The scouts are still there. And Silverman played a big role and he is still there. The Rays scout other teams better than most, if not all, teams in baseball. I think even if they get names that aren't as well known by most fans, you can bet they will be guys the Cubs think highly of.

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    Opps - my French - Maddon*

  • I just cannot get behind this idea. We will be replacing fostered players with FA and trades. I am not sure the timing is right. Loyalty does mean something, and i am not sure an all star mgr is nearly as important as a system built on process. That process is not possible w/o trust. Trust that the FO will not only do what it takes to improve the team, but that they will honor their word. When you as a player do everything asked of you and are successful, you want to know that they wont trade you next year for a new toy ( even Tulo).

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    I think part of why, IMO you have to take Maddon over Renteria relates to what we've talked about recently here.

    If we want to sign vets that know how to win, doesn't it make even MORE sense to have a manager that knows how to win.

    I understand that concept of learning how to win, but it seems even more important for the manager than players.

    Currently we have RR and we hope he can learn that on the fly. The manager is the ultimate leader and he's really the guy that needs to have that know how.

  • If the Cubs can get Joe Maddon ... ooohhh my. I don't care if Renteria's only been there for a year. That would be quite the feather in Young Theo's cap.

  • In reply to lblegacy:

    Correct. You make the decision based on what decision best helps the FO win a world championship, which is the goal and why Ricketts hired him. IF RR is fired it's not like he doesn't get paid. He has a guaranteed contract, so he'll be well compensated for doing nothing.

  • In reply to lblegacy:

    I think you go get Maddon. I just think it's unnecessary to trample over Renteria.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Agree w/ John.

    There's rarely a good reason to burn bridges with a former employee. You might be looking for a job some day and he might be the guy who's hiring. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to pick up the phone down the road when you are in the playoffs and ask for Renteria's input on players he's coached. Why burn a bridge when you don't have to. Besides, it's the decent thing to do.

  • In reply to Aggravated Battery:

    That's another good angle I hadn't considered. Well put.

  • this link is for Moody.. interesting article on J Baez and player improvement..

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2014/10/19/6999245/mlb-prospects-javier-speed-2014-2015

  • I like Ricky a lot. Obviously I'm all for hiring Maddon but I have a hard time believing that Ricky would step down to bench coach or any other dugout role. Having a hard time remembering a manager who didn't have an interim tag accepting what is basically a demotion. Anyone know if there's actually a precedent for that?? My gut says he's gone, which is a tough deal for him.

  • In reply to Ben20:

    Yeah, no chance they give him a bench job, which would be uncomfortable for everyone. I would guess they'd give him a lateral type job in the FO (whatever that would be) or they'd let him go.

  • In reply to Peter101:

    I agree although it really boils down to him taking a job rather them giving him a job.

  • If RR still wants to manage, is there a chance that Tampa Bay might be interested in him?

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    In reply to pricewriter:

    I would think Dave Martinez gets that job. Could see Ricky in Minnesota.

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    Theo has stated the cubs' intention to sign a veteran this off-season. Say "goodbye, Russel Martin" and "hello, Joe Maddon"! To me, getting Maddon is just as good as adding the veteran qualities of Russel Martin. Only difference is you get an upgrade at manager instead of catcher (and you spend less money... And his skills won't deteriorate late in the contract).

    Love the move. I really think it's a done deal already. Otherwise the FO doesn't allow this story to leak to Bernstein.

  • Unrelated! If the Cubs were looking at Martin before they thought about Maddon, then the front office is probably looking harder now. It's not just what Russell Martin Is, but also what Wellington Castillo is not. Who can get the Cubs to the next level. I think that both Lester and Martin will be more likely to be Cubs with Maddon.

  • I believe Detroit and Cleveland once traded Managers, Dykes and Gordon IIRC

  • Maddon is a great manager, but I am in the minority here. I would rather stick with RR. All great managers are first time managers once. I know he made some interesting decisions at times last year, but it is easy to forget that winning wasn't the primary objective. He accomplished his primary objective, and the Cubs team loves him. Castro & Rizzo improved greatly under him. Yes, it was his first gig as manager. He passed with flying colors. Maddon once was a first time manager too. I liked the direction of the team, and they were growing together. When something is working, don't fix it.

    With that said, Maddon likely will be a great manager. If this rumor truly has legs, then I would hope it is already a done deal. Why in the world would you even hint at RR being replaced if not true? That would be insanely stupid.

  • In reply to Santo10:

    To me, it would be about 2 things:
    1) who would be better for player development/winning,

    2) who might draw in those FA pitchers we're clamoring for?

    Maddon goes along way to signing Shields (if they desire) this off season and Price next. Possibly even draws in Lester. Vets probably want a vet manager.

  • BTW, Tampa Bay, may I ask WHO put the opt-out clause in Joe Maddons contract? It wasnt Theo Epstien, This whole "tampering" BS is just an attempt to get one of our minor league propsects on the cheap. Tell TB to go blow themselves.

  • Not an easy call for me. While I recognize the business/championship argument, I just don't know how the trust factor should be considered. Speaking as a psychologist, in most of life, trust is THE most important factor in virtually any relationship. And I would see the replacement of RR as a violation of trust. What impact, if any, this has in MLB, I just don't know.

  • And a brief vent on the "Steinbrenner Way". To me the "SW" represents what creates many of the problems that we face in our lives today, namely, that power and wealth trump everything. Look, I want to win that championship as much as anybody, but I want to do it the "right" way, with thought, effort, skill and patience--just what the Cubs are doing. Sustained success will come by following that process. Power and wealth are shifting sands.

    Now, off my soapbox.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    I like that. Nice way to put it. I have little doubt that whatever happens, the Cubs will handle it the right way.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    And with the league restriction on making any announcements during the World Series, the FO has time to think about how to "do this the right way" IF they decide to make the change.

  • Hey everyone, I am starting a thread here. Dan is on vacation so there is no "Around the League" segment today.

    I'm guessing everyone's mind is on Maddon today, so we'll morph this article into a thread this morning and go from there.

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    Bernstein also said that Maddon likes to have a Spanish speaking coach in the dugout and Ozzie Guillen might be it since they are close friends. I for one don't want that clown within 50 miles of wrigley field, or a live microphone.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Guillen's style is so different from Maddon's that I am not sure that is a great fit. I do like one thing about Guillen, there is a method to his madness, he does take a lot of the attention and pressure off his players. And his players liked him a lot more than the media did. Unfortunately, it wore thin after a while. And even if it didn't, I just don't think he fits this organization's style.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    C'mon SKMD, talk about throwing ice water on all this excitement.....OZZIE GUILLEN?
    Deal-breaker.

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    When is the last time the Cubs could claim to have the best farm system in baseball, the best manager in baseball and (arguably) the best front office in baseball? This is getting very exciting and it's still only October.

  • The question is, how is David Price's relationship with Maddon?? :)

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    In reply to DeuceBaseman:

    Or James Sheilds'?

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    What are the chances that Theo calls the Twins and offers them a good up-and-coming manager that did an outstanding job this past season... RR seems to be the type of manager that would be perfect for Minny.

  • I see absolutely no chance Maddon goes to the Twins. No way. He'd sit out or take another position elsewhere first. I'm thinking it's Cubs, Dodgers, Cardinals or nothing. I'd be beyond surprised if he ended up managing elsewhere...

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    In reply to cubbie steve:

    Unless the Dodgers are misleading everyone, they have clearly stated that they are not replacing Mattingly and I can't imagine the Cardinals getting rid of one of their own. It's the Cubs, a front office job or the broadcast booth for Maddon.

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    In reply to Aggravated Battery:

    Except the cardinals aren't stupid, and apparently Matheny is. Don't be surprised if the cardinals swoop in out of the blue and take him. We've heard these "cubs are the front runners" whispers how many times now?

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    In reply to SKMD:

    If the Cardinals aren't stupid, then how did they hire a stupid manager in Matheny. That doesn't make any sense. My guess, the Cardinals FO is very fond of their guy, he's not going anywhere and he's not stupid. As you say, the Cardinals don't do stupid.

    By the way, I hate the Cardinals!

  • In reply to Aggravated Battery:

    I'd think the Dodgers would have an obvious reason to deny interest: tampering claims. If the Rays are saying they'll file charges against the Cubs, with no basis, wouldn't they do it with the Dodgers, and with a stronger case at that (with his former GM and friend in LA)? Seems much more of a no-brained to me.

    Everything I've seen in StL from fans is that they hate Matheny. I really think they're going to be in on him. Hope I'm wrong.

  • OMG this has gone on long enough. What's it been 17, 18 hours? Sign Joe, Sign!

  • In reply to Oneear:

    Haha :)

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    In reply to Oneear:

    Say it is so Joe!

  • This is an email I sent to a Chicago senior exec who is a big Cub fan:

    How much really do this FO wants to win, have ice in their veins, larceny in their hearts and be willing to pay. They wanted Girardi, he passed, they were willing to pay more than $3M that Girardi took to NYY and said see.....

    They are probably paying Renteria near the market minimum plus a nickel or dime, so Madden was being paid $2M per, he had an out, no one does these things at this level in a vacuum, at least know one I knew when I did C-level search, so he or his agent knew that teams that are big market rebuild would be drooling. All these guys congregate at the playoffs, hotels, airports, restaurants and esp the WS.

    I read somewhere that the Mets are looking or would be considered, got to think that Philly would be poking around, even Houston, (though anyone going to Houston now would be really risky to the point of yes I want to join a dysfunctional bi-polar family), Now I read he is interested in MINN and Cubs and already other execs are crying foul in tampering....ha! fantastic...never proven,

    Here is a real fantasy-story. Once i got a call from the brother-n-law of a SVP, whom worked for a client company of my client and he told me that it would great if I would go to a restaurant to meet him while his bro-law sat in the adjoining table, his bro in law inquired about if he/him be presented confidentially to a CEO whom I had done a few searches for, (I was LOL inside for all this intrigue during the entire episode and more so when the bro in law ordered a second plate of King Crab at Shaws), told the CEO on the phone the entire episode and he laughed but said the he had been served twice to cease raiding his former company, six months later after a public posting of a job, that was made up and added to the org the SVP went through channels and hired.

    But Madden is also going to make a choice as well. They all know and can see/judge Epstein -Hoyer-McLeod and I have so say that with the leak that Cubs would be willing to buy out a few roof tops, the whole rebuild thing, and future media contract and this becomes powerful, when the question of timing comes into play. MINN has similar organizational pedigree coming up but will MINN out bid Cubs, bet the answer comes through before KC wins its 4th in the WS.

    Madden really fits the mold/style/command/respect and knowledge for a team with big ego youth and bigger ego vets that supposedly they are going to seek. To players Renteria is the organization, they all know it, good guy, well-meaning but does he really have teeth? Would he be willing to bench Rizzo? Castro? (more likely but both?) hardly, Madden also is another talent/development/ brain whom Epstein/Hoyer would be willing to listen to.

    If you really want to get Lester and Martin, getting Madden first sends a message to the entire league that the Cubs are really a 500 pound gorilla with LA's, SF, NYY, BOS and above NYM, Philly, Det, Sea, TEX...

    Tell me big time corp exec, what would you do? Things get really interesting with a genuine big time field boss, no nonsense, urgency, demand to perform as a team, no excuses. In my book this is how Castro gets moved to 2B if he stays when Russell comes up. This is how Baez either becomes a true player and plays 3B while Bryant goes to LF and those who don't stick the pieces are moved and replaced.

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    In reply to rnemanich:

    agreed... But...... this needs to be done quickly and not dragged out.... If so, it will make the Cubs look like fools.... i.e Joe Girardi folly.... and it could send the wrong message as well... I agree we need to do this and do this now in order to move forward but the FO needs to get it done... this is their time

  • In reply to rnemanich:

    I know a few execs, business owners, and CEOs personally. All are successful, all treat their employees like human beings, not commodities. I once worked for one company president who treated employees like commodities and that company is basically running in place, with huge turnover, and with very limited, if any, growth. In my experience, it matters.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    "The Power of Nice", by Linda Kaplan Thaler

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    So if Maddon comes aboard does Bosio stay? I know I'm getting ahead of myself but I'd have to imagine he'd want some control of staff.

  • I'm reminded of the way and the legal threats Theo endured while attempting to interview Torey Lovullo for the manager's position. I hope this is not a replay of that!

  • In reply to SteveBB:

    The key difference b/n the two is that Lovullo was under contract and Maddon no longer is.

  • In reply to Good Captain:

    good point, thanks for that recall.

  • As an aside, is there no way to configure new comments to the top here?

  • The last guy to wear funky eye-wear for the Cubs was wildly popular and successful. Let's hope for a repeat of that (minus the slurring & between beers) :-)

    Let me hear Ya good and loud......Ah one, Ah two, Ah Three........

    Maddon!!!!

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    In reply to SteveBB:

    "The last guy to wear funky eye-wear for the Cubs was wildly popular and successful."
    Kevin Gregg????

  • All this talk about tampering among rival teams is nothing more than veiled threats and posturing designed to either scare the Cubs & Maddon into leading him elsewhere or cause PR problems with potential coaches. Theo will not be intimidated by those comments.

    If the team fails to disavow any of the Maddon to Cubs rumors today then I have to believe there is a better than average chance he manages for the Cubs next year. To me the significant development would be handling the current coaching staff... some (like Mallee) just acquired, another (HInske) who turned down a job with the Yanks, etc. This is really a strategic decision that could accelerate the timeline for competing for the playoffs if handled properly.

  • Another jumping ahead of ourselves question: Are the Rays' coaches even available? They might not have the contractual ability to opt out of their contracts as Maddon did and Tampa Bay probably won't just let them follow Maddon without fairly high compensation.

  • In reply to Cphil:

    Patience and they probably would be. A replacement coach would probably want to bring in his own guys

  • Wow! I was busy this week and missed the buzz about Maddon.

    So conflicted - Maddon is such an obviously great manager that you have to at least explore the possibility of him coming here.

    Ricky is such a nice guy though and I think he will do well here - game management stuff he needs to work on, but really feel like his personality played off well with younger players.

    If they make this move, I'll feel bad for him.

  • Another way to look at this... if you are a network exec that is negotiating for broadcast rights or an owner spending $575M on the rehabilitation of Wrigley Field, who would you rather see managing the Cubs... Renteria or Maddon?

    If you are a 30 something FA pitcher or outfielder looking for a big payday and a WS ring who would you rather play for Renteria or Maddon?

    Or even more telling... if you are associated with any other team in the NL Central who would you rather see manage the Cubs- Renteria or Maddon?

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    In reply to Paulson:

    That makes a lot of sense.

  • Any team except the Twins who signs Maddon would be betraying their current manager, so any talk of the Cubs looking unloyal seem silly. That said, I hope if the Cubs make the move they do so with utmost class as far as RR is concerned.

  • Keith Law just made a good point... a team that should really be looking at Maddon is the Braves. After the season they had and their past success with Bobby Cox that is a very plausible outcome. I hope the Cubs decide what to do here quickly.

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    It's a business. The FO, the managers and the players all know this, it's been a part of everyday life in professional baseball...period. That said, the obvious choices present themselves. The stars are aligning for the what is sure to be the biggest news story in all of the baseball world!

  • i hate to see RR have to go through this.. if we do get maddon. We need to go above and beyond for RR.

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    In reply to CubfanInUT:

    Well put.

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