Cubs acquire Jacob Turner for 2 minor leaguers

Per Keith Law, it is a done deal,

Cubs acquire RHP Jacob Turner from Marlins for a couple of minor leaguers. Love this pickup for Chicago.

While we don’t yet know who those prospects are, the fact that Law loves this trade suggests that they aren’t major prospects – and I don’t think he’s one to say he loves a deal before he knows what it entails.

Check back, we will update when the names are known and give our instant take.

UPDATE: 12:43

Paul Sullivan says it will be two low Class A pitchers, while Law says they are two low level RPs, not prospects.

It appears that Tyler Bremer is one of the pitchers, according to a tweet by his brother, while Keith Law confirms.

The other pitcher is Jose Arias per multiple sources.

Update: 1:30

The Cubs DFA’d Ryan Kalish to make room for Turner.  They will also likely send down a reliever when Turner reports to the Cubs.

My Take on the Deal

This is a great deal for the Cubs.  They gave up two class A relievers in Bremer and Arias,  Bremer was drafted as more as an organizational reliever.  He has filled that role well but his stuff didn’t warrant a leap forward into prospect status as it did with another reliever, Zach Godley. Bremer is 24 years old.

Arias is the better talent, able to command a 93-94 mph FBs that tops out in the 95-96 range when he is going well, but he has not been able to develop his secondaries.  He told me he was working on a curve in instructs but he has remained inconsistent with it.  He also had trouble developing a change-up, especially in regards to selling it as he noticeably slowed down his arm speed.  He is already 23.

Now I will let a little air out of the balloon here…

Consider that Turner is on his 2nd team by the age of 23 with the second time being a DFA and what amounts to a dump trade.  That alone should give you pause.

There is no problem with his physical ability,  Turner is an athletic pitcher who throws a hard two-seamer and can reach as high as the mid 90s.  He has had trouble developing a change-up, as Dave Cameron notes here.

The Tigers and Marlins have done well to develop young talented pitchers of late but both have failed with Turner.   As one industry source told me a while back, when you see a young player switch teams early and often in their career, you have to question why.

Is it worth a flyer and an end of season extended look?  Absolutely and the Cubs will likely give him even more time than that to fulfill his considerable potential.   But whether he becomes the Cubs next Jake Arrieta or their next Chris Volstad will depend on his ability to dispel the doubts the Marlins and others have about him.  Perhaps the DFA and trade will serve as a wake-up call for him.  He certainly has a huge opportunity with the Cubs.

Baseball America once rated Turner’s FB a 70 and his 12-6 curve a 65, so there is a big ceiling still here.  He has also improved his control overall, but his fate hinges on his ability to improve his change-up and his performance against LHP to avoid being a reliever.

This is a project for Cubs pitching guru Chris Bosio.  There will be work to be done between now and Opening Day next season, but if Bosio can work his magic here and Turner gets serious about taking his game to the next level, then the Cubs will have themselves a steal, perhaps as much as a young, cost-controlled mid rotation starter, so you have to love this deal right now.

 

 

 

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  • You called it, John. Nice!

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    makes you wonder is John works for the NSA, he's the scoop-meister!

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Works for me

  • Report from minor league recap: A pair of Class-A pitchers - according to Paul Sullivan

  • So who gets removed from the 40-man?

    B-Jax? Vitters? Where's Marmol when you need him....

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    In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Also the 25-man; I suppose they can option Rusin. A DFA for Fujikawa is also not out of the realm of possibility, though maybe Cubs hope to salvage some value through a August waiver trade.

    B-Jax and Vitters certainly stand out on the 40-man as DFA candidates.

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    In reply to Zonk:

    Also, Ryan Kalish. I don't think he'll survive the offseason, particularly with emergence of Coghlan

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Vitters and Kalish are the two guys that spring to mind first, both have sub .220 BA in Iowa, and neither has minor league options remaining for next season.

  • Paul Sullivan claiming that they are two low class A pitchers. Narrows the possibilities.

  • Dillon Maples??

  • In reply to JoeV10:

    Supposedly relief pitchers - no starters.

  • Thumbs up!

    How bout Rubi Silva and Marco Hernandez?

    Somebody hurry up and tell us!

  • In reply to HackWilson09:

    Oh, pitchers...

    Nothing much at Daytona. But I hope it isn't Paniagua.

  • In reply to HackWilson09:

    Low A - KC most likely, or Boise depending on how you interpret.

    Wells and Maples?

  • We get Turner now. Then we get Hamels in the off season.

  • Love what the Cubs are doing. Great to be a Cubs fan....future is bright!

  • This could turn out to be really nice as Bosio has turned several guys around for this team. At the same time, he could turn out to be E Jackson II so while I'm SO excited that we are taking steps forward to win sooner than later, I'm not going to get unjustifiably giddy over this.

  • In reply to INSaluki:

    What he isn't is EJax II in terms of salary.

  • In reply to springs:

    Excellent point.

  • Looks like two class A relievers. I am going to guess one is Jose Arias, but just a guess.

  • Wonder if they use Turner as a bullpen arm. Lots of starters on the roster right now

  • In reply to Ike03:

    I was thinking the same.. a long/middle relief role.

  • Where will he be assigned on a claim like this? If mlb team, does he have options to be sent down?

  • In reply to IThrewSomeRocks:

    No options left - he was brought up by the Tigers when he was 20 and they and the Marlins used up his 3 option years.

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    In reply to IThrewSomeRocks:

    but I believe that was one of the things that irked him with the Marlins, that he wanted to be a SP.

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    In reply to Jeff Wilson:

    sorry, was meant to reply to ike03.

  • In reply to Jeff Wilson:

    Right but he just got DFA's and traded for practically nothing...and he is now with is 3rd team at age 23... so would he rather be a reliever, or out of baseball altogether? Not saying that he will definitely be converted to relief, but he is no position to make demands at this point.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Since the Cubs can't send him down, and may not have a reason to put him on the 15-day DL, a stint in the BP might be a way to keep him close to Bosio until he's ready to resume a starting role.

  • 2 years ago Turner was almost untouchable and we couldnt get him for Garza. Now he's a Cub for 2 low-A relievers. Crazy.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    And he's still just 23 :D

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    In reply to Ike03:

    Ringo was right, tomorrow never knows.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    TINSTAAPP!

  • Time to DFA Rusin or waive Carlos Villanueva. Or Edwin, HA.

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    Tyler Bremer is one pitcher according to Law.

    That's one. “@bremdizzle10: My brother Tyler Bremer just got traded to the @Marlins I wish him the best of luck.”

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    25 year old at Kane County. The other two older guys are Carillo and Heesch.

  • Tyler bremers brother just tweeted his brother got traded

  • So who do they DFA for Turner? My money would be on Villanueva following the Schierholtz move. They don't want to risk a younger or more valuable guy....maybe Wada, but I think he has more value to the team at this time than Villanueva does. Thoughts, John?

  • Another benifit to being bad. I know, getting Turner isn't better than being very good. I wait for the day that someone like Turner is not a potential upgrade, but today is not that day. Glad to see if he can be fixed.

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    Arias and Bremmer

  • Bremer and Arias.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    So he was essentially free. Nice.

  • In reply to mjvz:

    Now the Cubs just have to figure out how to handle the RP workloads until rosters expand. This kid needs an offseason working with the staff. Hope we get a lot more 8 inning starts like yesterday...

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    John called it for the other guy. Jose Arias is gone also

  • Love this deal from the Cubs side...Turner as a lottery ticket for those two arms is a great deal. Now we wait for the 25 & 40 man roster moves.

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    Now we wait for roster moves. I say bye bye Vitters....

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    I think you have to look at who Turner is replacing.

    Chris Rusin DFA, or Edwin Jackson or Carlos Villanueva get waived/traded, etc.

  • I personally would like to see them throw Turner into the rotation. That is his long term role and in getting innings in front of Bosio, Bosio will have more of a chance to right the ship BEFORE next year. Plus, it's not like we are in a pennant race. Wada doesn't fit long term. Give him the middle relief/mop up role from Villanueva once Villanueva is DFAd.

  • Tyler Bremer (RHP) - 24 years old - Kane County (A)
    Selected by the Cubs in the 27th round of the 2012 MLB Amateur Draft
    2.43 ERA - 3.6 BB/9 - 12.4 SO/9 - Doing good in A ball, but he is 2 years older than average for the league, and he is already a relief pitcher.

  • We should keep acquiring young pitchers any way be can, but
    not trade top prospects if possible.

  • Don't ya just love twitter?... We're learning about players being traded and called up, not by the FO, players, or media... but by family members announcing it! lol

  • We were going to have to add Arias to the 40-man or risk losing him in the rule 5 draft anyways so......

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    We were worried about that? I could probably think of ten guys with a better chance of being taken.

    Or are you joking? I honestly don't know. I'm confused.

  • In reply to mjvz:

    Neither... I meant he was gone after August anyways. Not sure why Miami would want him...

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I doubt anyone would have taken him in the Rule 5 so he likely would have still been with the Cubs org, but that is besides the point, the fact is he is 3 months older than Turner and is a reliever still in A -ball so this is a can't lose deal in my opinion.

  • What a great trade by the Tigers when they sent Turner and bottom of roster players Brantley and Flynn for Omar Infante and Anibal Sanchez. That's how to use your prospects to get proven major league players. And now the Cubs are headed back to the reunion and trying to date the aging homecoming queen. Worth the flyer.

  • Javy hitting Bombs in BP right now @ Wrigley... Jesse Rodgers posting video clips on vine

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    Dave Cameron on fangraphs posts that Turner has serious issues vs. Lefties, and can't be trusted as starter right now:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/a-reason-for-pessimism-about-jacob-turner/

    I respsect Cameron's opinion, and he does admit it's still a "why not" move for Cubs. Even if he's just a Middle relief guy, that's better than what we gave up.

  • Love this move. Even if it doesn't work out it's such a low risk high reward deal. He has to stick on the MLB club, right? Does he stay in the rotation and if so who is out?

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    The Rockies are not a respected front office, and I can see why....still can't figure out why they took a pass on Turner. Granted Turner has issues, but you can't tell me he isn't better right now than pending FA Matt Belisle or Franklin Morales, or 28-year old rookie Yohan Flande. With the junk the Rockies are running out to the mound, it baffles me why they wouldn't take a flyer. Whatever, glad they're not my team.....

  • Wonder what the accompanying move is on the 40-man? I think Villanueva makes the most sense to me. I would keep younger guys as long as possible. Vitters and B. Jax will get it prior to Rule 5. Now is the time to clean roster spots at the ML level to give the younger guys more playing time. Move Turner into the rotation, so Bosio gets a good chance to see what needs to be fixed and move Wada into the role Villanueva had as the middle/mop up/spot start guy.

  • Kalish designated

  • In reply to apalifer:

    Saw that coming. Had to Kalish or Vitters.

  • In reply to mjvz:

    Exactly - am surprised it wasn't Vitters though.

  • In reply to apalifer:

    Frowns for Kalish...

    I had hopes that he had more talent than BJax, at least. Oh, well. There are easily a dozen players that can be moved off of this roster to make room for the talent level of the players that are coming. It could have been anyone, and soon there will be a major housecleaning anyway. Maybe his injury is lingering, so it made this an easy choice, who knows.

  • I think DFA Rusin, then move Wada to the pen. He has a knack for pitching in trouble and is a 5-6 inning guy at best. A couple months in the rotation for Turner could get him straightened out and isn't going to hurt the club.

  • In reply to TheMightyGin:

    No need to DFA Rusin. He has options left and can just be sent to Iowa. Kalish has been dropped from the 40-man to make room there. Everything is all set for Turner to join the club tomorrow or the next day.

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    In reply to Quedub:

    Why not?? I don't believe he has a future with the big league club. He's serviceable as a AAA pitcher but seems to get hammered every time he pitches at the MLB level

  • In reply to TheMightyGin:

    Why move Wada to the pen? He's been very good so far and the numbers back it up.

  • Bremer & Arias - 24 & 23 year old RP's in A -Ball - for Turner is pretty much a can't lose deal in my opinion.

    CJ Nitkowski, former reliever and now sports analyst on Just a Bit Outside, suggested the following on Turner...

    "If it were me, I’d turn Jacob Turner into a two-pitch reliever with a potential 7th or 8th inning role. Those two pitches would be his two-seam fastball and his curveball.

    His two-seam fastball touches 96, sits 92-93 and has the life and movement you cannot teach. The GB% on that pitch was a strong 63.6% this year with 0 HR allowed. His curveball can be hellacious, in 2013 he posted a .147 batting average against and a 27:2 K:BB ratio with his breaking pitch. Inexplicably, he ha€™s used it half as much this year.

    As is common, it is very likely Turner would see a velocity jump as a reliever. Couple that with a simpler repertoire and shorter outings and you may just develop a dominant setup man."

    So basically, even if Turner ends up a good reliever, we already win out, considering that Turner is only 23 years old, and the 2 guys we traded for him are older and still in A-ball with only a relief projection. Which makes the odds of them becoming a good reliever much less likely than Turner who has already had some success at the MLB level...and if Bosio can work his magic then who knows what we could have.

  • I'd also like to see DJ take a long look at the guy.

  • teach him to throw the Eaphus to lefties lol

  • This is so damn awesome. Just watch- the Cubs are going to fix Turner and make the Marlins look like crap(pies).

    One reason for the struggles by Turner is BABIP driven... the .368 for 2014 far exceeds his career average. Another related issue probably relates to ditching the cutter, change, and curve in favor of more FBs and a slider. Even though he has gained a little velocity the last couple years he should really go back to throwing more change ups/curves and maybe adopting the Jake Arrieta slutter.

    Bosio will fix this guy.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    And DJ.

  • John.. doesn't he have a cut/slider? Can't we just have him go cutter/2 steamer and have him throw his curve as a wipe out pitch or first get me over strike?

  • Im thrilled. Id have thought the Fish would have wanted more than what they got. We essentially gave up 2 spare parts for a potential top end arm. Theojed does it again.

  • Too bad Kalish didn't work out but fliers don't always. Coghlan is a good example of one that did. I like the way this front office thinks.

  • " ... improve his change-up and his performance against LHP to avoid being a reliever."

    Considering what the Cubs paid for him, if he can be turned into a consistently effective relief pitcher I'd be pretty happy.

    Yesterday I came across this interesting blog about Turner:

    http://marlinmaniac.com/2014/08/06/marlins-make-mistake-giving-jacob-turner/

    "CJ Nitkowski, former reliever [who also knows how to use the subjunctive]: ... If it were me, I’d turn Jacob Turner into a two-pitch reliever with a potential 7th or 8th inning role. Those two pitches would be his two-seam fastball and his curveball."

    The blog goes into Turner's peripherals, like others maintains that he's been a lot better than his ERA suggests, and quotes Nitkowski saying that Turner's two seamer "has the life and movement you cannot teach" and "his curveball can be hellacious."

  • In reply to markw:

    Woops, I spent too much time typing.

  • In reply to markw:

    I posted the same excerpt above, lol.

  • Turner has a .368 BABIP this year, is that bad luck or him just getting hit really hard?

  • In reply to Ike03:

    His GB rate is at a career high. It might be both but there has to be some bad luck sprinkled in.

    What is just nuts is that I sort of wanted Theo to target the Marlins to grab Heaney and/or DeSclafani when we were unloading at the trade deadline. The Cubs might have ended up with the best young pitcher of the bunch... they all profile as similar pitchers. Thankfully, Turner was out of options and could not be sent back down to AAA like the other guys.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    His Swinging Strike % has only been 8.8% (MLB average is 8.5%) this year, so he's not really fooling anybody.

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    To me John sending Bremer and Arias creates more opportunities and innings for some of our high prices rookies we got in the draft this year. :) Love this move. If Bosio can straighten him out this kid could be a very nice number 5 next year with Hendricks penciled in at number 4 and Arrieta at 3. Number 2 and 1 coming in free agency. Theo and Jed are making me very excited on a daily basis.

  • In reply to Ralph Larosa:

    I really wouldn't count on getting both #1 & #2 starters in free agency. It is not impossible and 1 might come via trade, but not likely as lots of other teams are looking for top of rotation starters and will overpay more than Front Office willing to pay especially if they miss out on 1 that the Cubs get. It is even possible the Cubs don't pick anyone up, but definitely odds are they will get 1 pitcher up there.

  • Awesome news getting Turner. I cant wait to see him start, wonder when he is scheduled to go. Will he start right away or be on bullpen duty at first.

  • Is it me, or does this Cubs Front Office always get back more, and give away less, than anybody expected when it comes to trades? They just continue to impress me with their negotiating skills.

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    Kalish DFAd.

  • For what it's worth, MLB trade rumors is more bullish on Turner than Dave Cameron (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/cubs-acquire-jacob-turner.html):

    "Though Turner’s ERA jumped from 3.74 last year (in 118 innings) to 5.97 in this year’s 78 1/3 innings, there’s plenty to like about the rest of his numbers in 2014. Turner’s K/9 rate, swinging strike rate and average fastball velocity have all increased (though the velocity is likely tied somewhat to his eventual transition to the bullpen). Meanwhile, his BB/9 rate has dipped from 4.1 to 2.6. He’s also seen his ground-ball rate spike from a solid 45.7 percent to a strong 51.3 percent this season. Sabermetric ERA estimators such as FIP (4.01), xFIP (3.93) and SIERA (3.98) all feel that Turner has been markedly better than his earned run average would suggest in 2014."

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    Hamels pulled off waivers.

  • In reply to Ray:

    That was pretty much expected. Kind of a pipe dream given what the Phils were asking for.

    Still like that the Cubs are starting to get serious about aquiring established talent.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Who is plan B if we lose out on Lester? I like Arrieta, Hendricks and Wada. Woods should get another shot.

    We have a handful of potential back end guys like Beeler who could also factor, but it feels like the opportunity to land an ace are few and far between.

  • Getting antsy for the game start..LLETS GO CUBBIES!

  • Can't say I'm real hopeful but even if he turns out to be like Justin Grimm and eats some middle reliever innings it is a win at this price.

    Bosio has a lot of work ahead of him this offseason between Turner, Doubront, Straily and fixing Jackson and Wood. I really can't see more than 2 rotation spots and maybe a bullpen slot being open for those five guys. It gives us some depth, but in all likelyhood some combination of this group is gone by Opening Day.

  • In reply to mjvz:

    Hopefully that brings the best in guys like Turner and Doubront.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Exactly what I was thinking first thought. If they really want to stay starters, then you sure better prove it and bring your best or you'll lose your spot. Sounds like a win-win to me.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I know jokisch is rule 5 eligible, why don't they see if he can pitch at mlb level before they lose him. He has good numbers and smart if he went to NU?

  • In reply to Cuba libre:

    They'd have to add him to the 40 man roster and those spots are getting hard to come by right now. They probably already have a good idea as to what they are going to do.

  • I absolutely love the pitching depth that the FO is building. Think back on the days when the Cubs had to START guys like Germano and Raley. Now when they talk about being 8 or 9 guys deep, they really mean it. While Doubront, Straily, Hendricks, Wada, etc. may only be 4/5 guys (max), it's nice to know if someone gets injured that they can reach down and call up someone like Straily.

    Now, just need to land that one or two TOR arm and the rotation is looking pretty good. I'd love to see the Cubs get Lester... no draft pick to give up and a great track record.
    Lester
    Arrieta
    Wood
    Hendricks
    Turner/Doubront/Straily
    would be pretty competitive. I actually wouldn't mind seeing the bring back Hammels though he has struggled after leaving (is that a concidence? Not having Bosio around? Moving to the AL?).

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I don't doubt that Wada or any of the new three are capable of outpitching Wood.

  • In reply to HackWilson09:

    Yeah Wada and Beeler should be in the mix too

  • The first half of the lineup looks good today! This is going to one LONG lineup to stop every time next year.
    Coghlan/Alcantara
    Baez
    Rizzo
    Castro
    Bryant
    Soler
    Alcantara/Coghlan
    Castillo

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    In reply to historyrat:

    Soler is actually the best fit for #3. Just my opinion, but I think it will shake out next year with ArismendyA leadoff, Castro 2 and Soler 3. The lefty Riz in the middle followed by Bryant and Baez. You may see Olt 7 (with KB in the OF) or possibly some sort of Coglan/Lake/Ruggiano combo and Castillo 8.

  • It's moves like this that continue to improve our organizational quality and depth. Me likey.

  • Anybody else out there tired of Renteria and his multiple pitching changes per inning?At some point you might put some faith in the fact that righties can get lefties out and vice versa.

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    Funny. Some complain of his lack of bullpen moves.. He had a full bullpen to work with bcuz Hendricks went 8 in col yesterday.. seems RR Cant win either way

  • In reply to CubfanInUT:

    I'm not a big fan of burning through the bullpen with lefty-righty moves. Sometimes the percentages are better, but sometimes you're just going through pitchers until you reach one that's having a bad day.

    Percentages or not, RR had Mendy bunt. It worked.

  • If Castro made that same mental mistake Rizzo just did we talk about it for days. What a double standard.

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    I like rizzo but he does get away with tons of mental mistakes.

  • In reply to seankl:

    He isn't hustling as much today, I noticed him admiring a fly that hit the wall instead of going out and then this faux pas with the not covering the bag, Maybe he is just tired, lots of long days at the office lately for our Cubbies.

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    Love your choice of screen name. I'm.a big Arrested Development fan.

  • In reply to Kodak11:

    Thanks Kodak.....thought it was an inspired choice to name their lawyer that on the show. Good to see Scott Baio get some work too !

  • In reply to Bobloblaw:

    Ya

  • I'm not setting my expectations very high of Turner, but I am raising them a couple levels based on the success of Bosio and the FO. Nice flyer move.

  • Javy getting challenged up in thezone with fastballs .. adjustment time

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    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/javier-baez-and-the-anomalous-dinger/

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    In reply to SKMD:

    Thanks for the link! awesome article.

  • Absolutely agree with Bobloblaw that if Castro made that boneheaded play the media would be all over him for losing focus or not paying attention. I've seen Rizzo make a number of mistakes in the field and on the bases, but he seems to get a pass. I'm not saying the media should hammer him, but if it were Castro they'd want him traded tomorrow. Again, I blame Bobby Valentine for his asinine comment several years ago on that nationally televised game.

  • A good thing about all the Baez hype is that it takes the spotlight off of Alcantara. That's the great thing about having a lot of good prospects the spotlight gets passed on to the next call up (Soler) and so on. In the past Cub prospects melted under the pressure (Orie Patterson Pie) because there was so few of them.

  • Another day, another top prospect homers. Soler with a two-run shot. Soler looks like an MLB'er on rehab, not a prospect.

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    I agree Eldrad. And apparently so does the opposition. Game is 4-3 in the 5th inning and Iowa has a man on 2nd with 1 out and Soler at the plate. Oklahoma City intentionally walked Soler...in the 5th inning. Sure, I see trying for the double play, but that strategy makes much more sense later in the game; this early you are more worried about the big inning than 1 run. But I think they were worried about Soler.

  • Id like to see Iowa make the playoffs but in a small way if Soler is going to get called up maybe they don't make it and they can bring him up early.

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    Love love love this move.

    Not expecting much this year, but a full offseason with Bos and derek could go a long way.

    And we gave up nothing to get him.

    I liked the idea when it was Dunston, but it turns out that would've been an overpay.
    Perfect change of scenery move.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Agreed. Just no downside to this transaction, except perhaps it narrows the options mgmt has at its disposal when it comes to the Rule 5 draft. It's a calculated risk weighed heavily towards success, if "success" is defined at a minimum as adding an arm to the MLB bullpen in 2015.
    And I'm not worried abt the 3rd team in x yrs issue, since the Tigers were more concerned about shoring up the MLB roster for playoffs than it being an issue of them giving up on Turner at the time. To me, only 1 team gave up on him, and that org's brain trust is suspect.

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    Tigers rushed him before he was ready. Even the Marlins did. This year probably should have been his 1st big league season.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    I have to think with Turner acquisition they have to somehow move Ejax or maybe (I know this isn't likely) go to 6 man rotation to rest Arrieta and others down the stretch Turner needs his audition now.

    If the Cubs sign 2 starters next year, a rotation of: Lester, Arrieta, FA starter or Turner,Wood and Hendrick would be very good. Then we would have an Iowa rotation of Doubrant, Straily, Wada, Beeler,Jokisch and possibly Edwards & Johnson we would be very deep.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    I did too. I would have been okay with the deal but an industry source told me he thought it'd be too much. Guess he was right.

  • I think this is a win/win move for the Cubs and I'd love to see him in the rotation immediately.

    The Cubs gave up nothing (or very little) to get him so it was worth a chance.

    Put him in the rotation and let Bosio start to do his magic. Arrieta and Strop were terrible last year until Bosio started working with them and they both pitched well with the Cubs, last year.

    The best case scenario is Bosio is able to get Turner straightened out and we just picked up a super cheap rotation pitcher who could be at least a middle of the rotation starter.

    The worst case scenario is Bosio is unable to get Turner straightened out (like E Jax) and Turner (and E Jax) help the Cubs secure a high draft pick for next season. Losing games the rest of the way is not all that terrible. It allows the Cubs to go after a top FA without worrying about losing the 1st round pick, and it moves their draft position closer to 1 than 10.

    In losing, I hate to see guys like Rizzo, Castro, Baez, Alcantara, Hendricks, being the reason we are losing because they are likely the future we need for success. However, if Turner and E Jax are the reason the Cubs lose down the stretch, it's not a big deal because they likely won't be a part of the Cubs future.

    Like I said before, this move is a huge win/win for the Cubs. Great pickup.

  • The more I was thinking about Jacob Turner, the more I was starting to vaguely remember that the Cubs wanted him at some point in a rumored trade with the Tigers. Maybe I'm just making this up though. Does anyone remember? I can't imagine who the Cubs would have been sending to the Tigers so again maybe I'm just making this up.

  • In reply to jorel1114:

    He was supposed to be part of the Matt Garza to Tigers deal but the Cubs also wanted Nick Castellanos.

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