Trade Rumors: Stalemate with Toronto? Could the Cardinals Break It?

I’ve been trying to find some rumors for you guys on lesser pieces like James Russell and Edwin Jackson.  However, Jeff Samardzija continues to capture the bulk of the ink (or bytes in the new computerized world) in Cubs trade rumors  John Morosi had a major article this morning on the Cubs-Blue Jays trade talks on Samardzija.  We’re apparently at a point where the interest is there but neither side is willing to budge to get a deal done.

The Blue Jays had scouts at Samardzija’s start last night and saw a mixed game.  While he fought through less than perfect stuff, Morosi points out that Samardzijagot away with several fastballs over the heart of the plate and there is concern that, with a better offensive lineup than Cincinnati’s, the one run may have been more like 5.

The reports that the Cubs were scouting AA LHP Daniel Norris appear to have teeth as the Cubs are demanding Norris, AAA RHP Aaron Sanchez, and high A CF Dalton Pompey.  Pompey is the new name here.  He is a 2010 16th round pick who is having a breakout season for the FSL’s Dunedin Blue Jays.  The switch hitter is putting up .312/.392/.460 slash, a career best in all three categories.  In addition, he is 27 for 29 in stolen base attempts.  It is noteworthy that he’s doing this in an extreme pitcher’s league like the FSL.  These three players would be an excellent return for Samardzija.

The problem that’s arising is that, while the Cubs won’t come down from that price, the Blue Jays refuse to include all three in a deal for any one player, including the Rays’ David Price.  The latter may be significant as the Rays are reportedly ready to trade Price now for the right deal.  However, with the Rays’ desire to move Price out of the AL East, it would seem that the Blue Jays would have to significantly beat any offer for the former Cy Young winner.

One of the teams that the Blue Jays may have to beat is the Cardinals, who, as we reported yesterday, have been connected to Price.  They also have a minor league system more than capable of beating almost anyone if they decided to do so.  (Oscar Taveras, alone, would be tough for the Blue Jays to top.)  However, it appears they may be exploring options.  Robert Murray at Sports Rumor Alert reports that the Cardinals were scouting Samardzija at last night’s game.  Murray points out that, much like the Rays with the Blue Jays, the Cubs would require an overwhelming return to trade Samardzija within division.  An industry source confirms that the Cardinals were at the game last night though he cannot say for certain who they were scouting.  For the moment, I’d consider the Cardinals’ interest to simply be due diligence.

Finally, Murray also reports that the Royals were at the game last night.  In news that will make many folks here happy, Murray is saying that RHP Kyle Zimmer would need to be part of any Samardzija trade.

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  • i think norris, sanchez and pompey would be an extremely solid return and i cant see theo and co taking less than that. the price will only climb as we get closer to the deadline and at the end of the day i would be okay leaving this deal on the table if toronto won't budge because someone will equal it or beat it sooner or later.

  • Maybe Shark and James Russell for Aaron Sanchez, Daniel Norris & Dalton Pompey?

    The Cubs FO knows the minor league systems of these other teams much better than I do, and I 'm sure they will do a great job at finding value and hidden nuggets in someone else's farm system.

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    In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    It would be nice but I have a hard time seeing any of the Cubs "throw in" pieces being enough to convince a team to add a significant prospect they're unwilling to give for Shark alone.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I don't think Russell or any other bullpen piece would be a throw in. World Series winning teams need a strong bullpen. Any of the current Cub relief pitchers would definitely help Toronto possibly reach their post season goals. I think adding a relief pitcher to the deal can work for both teams. Toronto gets an additional piece for their playoff push and the Cubs get three top prospects.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    I wouldn't like seeing that trade. Two fairly young, successful MLB players for 3 unproven minor league players. Don't get me wrong, l like Sanchez and Norris as pieces, and this Pompey kid is having a breakthrough season, but if you throw in Russell I think more should come back.

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    In reply to NathanE:

    Russell has had several hiccups. He's no longer the Russell of 2012. If that's all it takes to put this over the top, do it. Zac Rosscup is likely a better option at this point anyway.

  • In reply to Theo Einstein:

    I see your point, but you could argue that Sanchez has huge bust potential. If there was a better player headlining the deal, I probably agree.

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    In reply to NathanE:

    FWIW, I think most prospect gurus would argue that Norris has surpassed Sanchez this season and would be considered the headliner in such a deal.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I was thinking the same thing. I was just mentioning earlier that I like Norris more than Sanchez.

  • In reply to NathanE:

    I would agree. In reality it SHOULD be a 1 for 3, or 2 for 5 swap of high-upside talent.

    I just don't know the Blue Jays system well enough to know who another comparable piece would be to make that trade worthwhile. Just not sold on Strohman as being the centerpiece of a trade with Toronto.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    Stroman won't be a part of any deal. He is already contributing to their rotation this season.

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    In reply to NathanE:

    How much value does a middle reliever, even a decent lefthanded one, really have?

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    Well, a lefty setup man landed Wood plus 2 decent prospects a few years ago. People on this site used to value Russell similarly. Do I think they can get that for him? No. But I would say if the Cubs are asking for Norris, Sanchez and Pompey for Samardzija, they wouldn't just throw in Russell without at least another prospect added.

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    In reply to NathanE:

    Russell's arm is destroyed. He just isn't close to as valuable as Marshall was when that deal was made. The year before the deal, he had a 1.86 FIP in 75 2/3 innings. Russell is currently sporting a 4.09 FIP on track to pitch 44 innings.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'm not expecting anything close, as Marshall was maybe the best set up man in baseball. But I don't think Russell is just trash to hang out there and receive nothing in return. I think he still has value to the Cubs and contenders. The Cubs probably realize he was extremely overused, and are limiting his innings this year because of that. Now, if Theo and Jed don't think they can land those 3 without adding in Russell than my point is moot. Still don't like 3-2, however

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    In reply to NathanE:

    My guess is that we WANT to throw in Russell to the Blue Jays in that deal... but see it from the Blue Jays' angle. Russell, Wright, Strop, Ramirez, Rondon, Rosscup, Parker? Who would you be asking for if you were them? Almost certainly not Russell. Maybe the Cubs' front office can bargain down to it being Russell, but he will be a throw in to get the aforementioned prospects (IMO). I can see the Blue Jays asking for Ramirez, Rondon, or Strop in that deal. Hopefully the Cubs would then counter with an additional prospect in a 2-Cub, 4-Blue Jay deal. If we get a deal done with the Jays, I predict Russell will simply be a thrown in to the three-prospect trade... or a more high-upside Cubs reliever will be sent with an added B- prospect added in the Blue Jays' package.

  • In reply to Joe Stallings:

    Would clearing space on the 40-man roster ahead of the Rule 5 draft be a consideration for moving Russell as well?

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    In reply to Joe Stallings:

    Strop? ok.
    Rodon? Eh, make it worth our while.
    Ramirez. GTFO. just stop.

  • I'd toss in Barney and Russell as well as some July 2nd draft money. That might work

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    In reply to SFToby:

    The draft money is interesting. I could see the Blue Jays being interested in that. Haven't seen or heard anything on that, though.

  • I think one thing that doesn't get enough attention regarding the Price/Samardzija situations is that Price's salary is much higher both this year and next (close to 15M off the top of my head). That is a huge consideration for middle revenue teams like the Jays and Cards and especially for low revenue teams like the Royals who simply may not be able to carry him without losing money. The prospect cost plus the financial cost may outweight the performance difference between Price and Shark. There are not many teams that have the 6M+ left in their budget for the remainder of the season and the prospects needed to acquire Price.

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    In reply to mjvz:

    It's a good point. I haven't seen the Royals included in Price talks and that may well be why. However, the word from Toronto is that Anthopoulos has the authority to increase the payroll to make a push this season. That may just be false rumors designed to drive down the Cubs asking price -- no one says they can't play those games, too -- or it could be legit.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    In a vacuum every team would choose Price over Shark. But the market for Shark is much larger and therefore there figures to be greater demand/bidding for his services. Price only makes sense for a couple of teams.

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    In reply to mjvz:

    I would agree with this. Still, IMO, the ideal situation for the Cubs would be for the Rays to trade him to the Cardinals for a huge return early in the process. Sets a high value for pitching, hopefully removes Oscar Taveras from the Cardinals organization, and forces teams like the Blue Jays and Giants to focus on Shark down the stretch. Also, according to the TB Times, the Dodgers are viewed as the favorites to acquire him. They certainly have the money though they tend to not like paying the prospect cost. It would be great for the Cubs as they don't seem to be in on Samardzija even a little bit. (Lingering bad feelings over Dempster?)

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    Off topic but Bryant, got his 5th AAA base hit and his 5th AAA home run earlier today!

  • In reply to Kevin:

    Now that he has gotten his daily homer, he can pick up a couple walks today.

  • I hope the cubs are extremely
    picky about trading shark. No need to settle on anything less then what FO wants. We should set bar high and not lower it.

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    In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    That's an excellent point to remember; the front office does not HAVE to trade Samardzija at all this year. With another year of control, teams will feel pressure to meet the Cubs' demands, and not the other way around.

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    Off topic: Bryant (US) and Baez (World) are named to the Futures Game.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    As was Pompey (World, he's Canadian).

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    How does Baez go "World" when he grew up and lived in Florida?

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    He was born in Puerto Rico

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    I think he was 12 when he moved to Jax.

    Still, P.R. is a US Territory, and he is a US Citizen... I think it's just about balancing out the rosters and getting as many top prospects into the game as they can...

  • OT I just looked at the CCDT page and it has our 10th round pick Williams agreeing to $1000 signing bonus. $140,000 under slot. Slot values is $141,000 for the 10 round. Another $140,000 to get Cease and Gilliam to sign.

  • In reply to John57:

    I saw that too, but I'm thinking that its a typo.

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Could be. It is very low but CCDT is supposed to be the draft signing information experts. If it is accurate then the Cubs don't think a whole lot about Williams.

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    In reply to John57:

    They took it from BA. It's probably correct.

  • In reply to SFToby:

    It's right. After the first 3 rounds College seniors typically sign for $1,000-$10,000...the best ones sign for $40,000-$50,000.

  • I still think Baltimore is the likely landing spot. They have a very good lineup and no legit TOR pitching, plus 3 potential TOR in the minors (Harvey, Gausman and Bundy). The O's window is 2014/2015 and Shark would really help them.

  • In reply to piggy7:

    I would like Bundy of that group please.

  • In reply to John57:

    Zero chance for Bundy or Gausman. Both will be pitching in Baltimore this season.

  • Iowa Cubs only 2 games out before today's results! Should be able to get these guys some much talked about playoff experience. Also often talked about is the pushing back of the timeline, but 3 of our top 5 prospects at the top level & playing well lately. I won't be long

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    5 homers for Bryant, this one is off Zack Lee. Alcantera & Baez are having a big day.

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    I wonder if the cardinals would rather deal Carlos Martinez and Matt Adams over Oscar. They can move Craig back to first and call Oscar back up. Those 2 plus another prospect or two, depending on how they feel about those 2 could get a deal done for price

  • In reply to Teddy Robinson:

    Didn't they have concerns about Oscar makeup? I wonder if they are willing to part with him similar to the way they did Rasmus. Except they would get a much better return with Oscar.

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    In reply to KC Cubs Fan:

    I've wondered this, myself.

  • In reply to KC Cubs Fan:

    Yeah, I don't think the Cardinals are too crazy about Taveras. I think how he handled his ankle injury has ended the honeymoon.

  • send olt down to play 1st bring up valaika as utility guy.

    then here is my all-star iowa lineup:
    cf alcantera
    rf kalish
    ss baez
    3b bryant
    1b olt
    lf vitters
    c lopez
    2b Watkins

    that would be a very potent lineup

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Valaika isn't on the 40 man, so it would require a move first to open up a spot.

  • I've said this before and I'll say it again, I would never trade with the Cardinals. Not because of Lou Brock, but because their organization has an incredible knack for drafting talent, molding that talent and then turning them into impactful major league talent. So if they're willing to give a player or players up for anyone, why would we want any of those players?

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    In reply to jorel1114:

    Because our front office also has a knack for doing their homework and taking prospects that organizations don't want to give up. Kyle Hendricks, for example.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yeah that's a fair point, I would just rather they try to get one of those type of players from one of the many other teams in playoff contention.

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    In reply to jorel1114:

    Oh, I agree. I don't think it's going to happen. It's a dangerous trade from both sides. Yeah, the Cardinals get Jeff next year when the Cubs would like to compete but the Cardinals would hate to have to face their prospects for another 4-7 years.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yeah I guess the chances of the Cards signing him to that deal wouldn't be as high with other clubs. They're very particular about their free agents, would a 29-year old pitcher who wants that much money be someone for them to sign?

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    In reply to jorel1114:

    This assumes that a team would only part with prospects if they are giving up on them.

    I seriously doubt Texas had given up on CJ Edwards. Or Ramirez. Or even Grimm and Olt. Probably not Hendricks either.

    It may not look like it now due to trades and promotions, but Texas has a very strong farm system, and the prospects we acquired from them were definitely not guys they were just giving away.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    I only assume that about the Cardinals was my point.

  • To maximize the return of Shark and Hammel it may not be a bad idea for the Cubs to strike early on dealing Shark. If the Rays are eager to trade Price as it's been indicated, taking those two off the market could up the anti on Hammel. Especially if the return is Sanchez/Norris/Pompey.

    This could be what is happening. Loxas is just tweeting that the Jays are ready to "pounce."

  • The biggest advantage the Cubs have with regards to Shark vs. Price, (besides his cheaper cost), is that they have no problem starting a bidding war in the pitcher hungry AL East...the Rays will exhaust all other options before considering trading within the division per all reports/sources. Toronto, Baltimore, Yankees should drive up the price before even considering the other teams involved in the market. Yankees are a bit short on prospects but the Cubs ca pretend they really like a couple of their's all about leverage, and the Cubs are about to exploit the heck out of this market.

    While I am a bit anxious knowing that the Cubs could probably scoop Norris & Sanchez right now if they would drop the demand for Pompey, or if they added a reliever (Schlitter, Russell, Villanueva, Wright) to the deal, as I think that would already be a solid return...but I think it's obvious this is becoming a sellers market, with very few pieces that could truly impact a club down the stretch...teams will break and the Cubs will get a haul for Shark. No need to lower the demands so early in the process..this is mlb poker and the Cubs have a pair of Aces (well that's how they will market it anyway).

    Some asked last year why the Cubs didn't trade Navarro, Schierholtz, and others at the deadline when they were already selling off other pieces...I think the answer is that the Cubs Front Office wanted to establish that they will not take less than value under any circumstances. Teams tried to low ball them knowing they had already sold off their pitching but the they showed that they would rather keep the players (even in a lost season) than trade them in a deal that didn't return anything's called the setup, and it will pay off this year now that teams know waiting until the deadline will not lower the price for any Cubs they might as well present their best offer now.

  • i can smell it, Cubs made last ditch offer, Theo just on saying trade talk is all chatter and speculation keeping the radar off both teams to hammer out a deal and give the Jays the advantage of springing this deal early and without smoke to give a shock wave torest of AL East.

  • I have a strong feeling that if that AAA lineup stays in place and adds Olt to the mix, they are going to run away with that league.

  • Except we'll be calling up Wada and Hendricks soon to replace Shark and Hammel.

  • In reply to cubsin:

    Good point. Also Pierce Johnson and CJ Edwards won't be ready.

  • Not sure that deal is better than last years Garza return. I don't think it is enough. Just compare the two and it becomes obvious. Norris, Sanchez, and Pompei is not enough. Are they all top 50 prospects, or even top 100. The odds of getting a player with Samadzidja's impact back get better with 4 or 5 prospects. Three doesn't really excite me right now. Just wait. The prize will get bigger.

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    In reply to Bilbo161:

    It's a better deal. Compare the highest upside: Daniel Norris vs. CJ Edwards. Norris is 2 levels higher than Edwards at the time of the trade and at 6'2" 180 has a body much more likely to stand up to the abuse of a top of the rotation starter than Edwards. Then the "project" piece: Mike Olt vs. Aaron Sanchez. Olt was struggling with a significant eye problem when acquired and had a ceiling as a good -- not great -- third baseman. Sanchez has no injury problems that we know of and has a ceiling as a top of the rotation starter. Further, Bosio has shown a remarkable ability to get the most out of pitchers. So we're left with Grimm and Neil Ramirez vs. Pompey. Even if we consider Grimm and Ramirez better than Pompey because of closeness to the majors, given their somewhat limited upside as relievers it isn't by enough to outweigh how much better the first two pieces are.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Thanks Mike. I agree with you I guess, but still think the extra year and cost of Jeff make this deal a bit short of that one. Someone will offer more.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    The key to the deal would undoubtedly be the FO's confidence in their ability to the most out of Sanchez's potential. He's what would tip the scale one way or the other. Norris is more of a sure thing.

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    In reply to nmu’catsbball:

    Between Bosio and Derek Johnson, I feel pretty good about what the Cubs are capable of as far as getting the most out of a player's talent.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Agreed. The Cubs have been very good and getting good results from their pitchers at both the major and minor league level. Some credit needs to go to the talent evaluators in the scouting department and front office, but the developmental system/staff are clearly improved since the new regime took over.

    Heck, the AAA bullpen has the look of a decent MLB pen.

    Vizcaino - Closer
    Rivero - Set-up

    The waves should start crashing upon the northside shore in 2015. Three years into the rebuild. Right on schedule.

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    In reply to Quedub:

    Oh, absolutely credit to the talent evaluators, didn't mean any slight to that direction.

    I just meant that our pitching guys seem to have a talent for taking guys as they are and working around what their weakness is.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Wasn't implying that you meant any slight at all. Just adding that thought about the scouting as well.

    Overall, I'm very pleased with how the talent in the organization has improved over the last two and half years. With the pitching in particular, it looks like the Derek Johnson hire has been a really good one.

    It's unclear to me just how much of an impact he's had on certain individuals, but the success of the overall group is noticeable. Guys like Zastryzny, Paniagua and Zych have improved dramatically over the course of the season. I'd love to know why. Is it luck/variance? Did DJ work with them specifically? Each of them have pedigree. Zastryzny was a 2nd round pick, Paniagua a high profile IFA signing and Zych was taken in the 4th. So the talent is there, but why does it seem to be clicking now? I wish I had access to more than just box scores...

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Pompey is also a switch hitting center fielder who plays above average defense and can lead off. Exactly the one position the Cubs are thin at in the minors.

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    I really like the Blue Jays deal. Hopefully this works out.

    I'd like it even more if we could get a bidding war going so maybe we could get a little more from Toronto. Obviously nothing like Stroman, but Taylor Cole and Matt Boyd look interesting.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Cole and Boyd have put up decent stats but I wouldn't consider them prospects. Both of them are a year or two old for their league and neither were listed in Mayo's top 20 prospects in the Toronto organization.

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    In reply to Quedub:

    So? CJ wasn't on Mayo's list. It's one dude.

    Cole has 103 Ks in only 88 innings, a strong WHIP and a positive Gb ratio. Plus his FIP is 2.19. He's not young but he's not old enough to be a dealbreaker. He may turn 25 this year but he could easily be moved to AA with his stats.

    The Jays are pitching heavy so there may just not be room to promote him easily.

    Anyway, I'm talking about a 4th player to add to the mix, he isn't supposed to be headline type stuff. His strikeout numbers alone merit him being a fourth piece, but really all of his numbers are very impressive.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Yeah, I don't like him as one of the headliners but with numbers like that you have to wonder if he were moved to the pen full time and added some velo he could be a Justin Grimm type of fourth piece. Those types of players aren't all that exciting but if you get one of them in every deal and just one of them becomes a part of your major league club it's a win.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    It's not one dude, though. On a consensus list of Blue Jays prospects made up from 20 separate list makers, Boyd ranked 32nd and Cole 34th.

    I don't know their scouting reports. If they have the kind of stuff that translates to the pen (if converted), then great. And as a 4th prospect option added to the previous three mentioned who could argue, but that wasn't made clear in the post I responded to. Adding anyone to Norris, Sanchez and Pompey would be a bonus. Without knowing what they throw, it's difficult to say how much of one.

  • "Morosi points out that Samardzija got away with several fastballs over the heart of the plate and there is concern that, with a better offensive lineup than Cincinnati's, the one run may have been more like 5."

    Didn't Cincinnati just scored 24 runs in 3 games on Toronto's pitching this past Friday - Sunday? Cincinnati's offense is not exactly weak.

  • In reply to ricco:

    No pitcher has their best stuff every time out, but if they can still give their team a quality start of 6 innings and get out of it with only 1 run scored, that's pretty good. Shark has been solid to outstanding pretty much all year besides the June 1st start against MIL where he gave up 8 runs in 3 innings (worst start of his career).Since then he's put up an ERA of 2.52 in his last 4 starts. Hopefully number five will be a dominant 8 inning shutout that makes acquiring GM's forget about any worries of a second half swoon again.

  • Cubs should wait and deal Samardzija in the offseason. I think a lot of teams are still in that wait and see phase with Samardzija. If he proves he can last an entire season his value will still be extremely high. Also once Shields and Scherzer sign mega deals the teams that miss out on them will want to add a potential ace at a reasonably dollar amount to stay competitive. Even if it is only for a year.

  • In reply to KevinCubsfan23:

    For instance, if the Red Sox sign Scherzer and the Yankees sign Shields or vice versa. Teams like the Orioles and Blue Jays would be more likely to deal for a potential ace like Samardzija. If the wait until the offseason, I could see the Cubs deal Samardzija for Drew Hutchinson, who is not a prospect, but a proven big league pitcher that will have 3 or 4 years of team control.

  • In reply to KevinCubsfan23:

    The idea is to take advantage of the market with teams who are in position to get to the playoffs THIS year. By waiting until the offseason, potential trading partners lose that incentive. There's also the risk that Samardzija will have a bad second half, lowering his value to other teams. This is the time to trade.

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    In reply to KevinCubsfan23:

    The problem there is that we're toeing a fine line with trying to get major league ready prospects.

    Aaron Sanchez is in triple-A now. If we wait until the offseason, maybe they decide he's ready for the big leagues and makes the team.

    Word is that Bundy's next rehab game will be double-A, and the O's have shown a propensity to call up from double-A.

    There's only so many teams that think they can win AND have valuable prospects. In the offseason, most of those teams don't feel the urgency to make BIG moves.

  • I don't believe the numbers thrown out in the press, its mostly misinformation spread for negotiating and PR purposes and most rumors arte totally made up, they are peoples educated guesses. I don't want the Cubs to trade Shark and I think they will be able to come to terms with him on a LT deal. We need vets on this club and you cant trade away everyone for prospects.

  • Mike, I'd like to thank you for your articles. They stir up some nice commentary as well. I'd like to see you write more often.

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    In reply to CubsBuck22:

    So would my advisor. :) Thanks. I've got a non-trade rumors piece I'm working on. So you may get your wish!

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    Hey Mike, I really like the Toronto deal. Out of all the teams out there looking to show interest in Shark, they seem to fit best in what the Cubs are trying to do. But here's my little twist. Why is it so important that Theo get a massive win in each and every trade? Isn't it more important to fill the roster with guys that are long term solutions than winning this trade with Shark or Hammel for that matter.

    There are a lot of guys that the Cubs have that might not be here long term. If that is ture, what are we waiting for? A few examples are guys like Vitters, B Jackson, J. Russell, C. Villanueva, Barney, Sczur, etc...

    I'd even throw a guy like Olt on that list but his value might be better served if he spent a little more time on the Iowa roster where he could work out the kinks.

    So here's my point. Why not clear out some of the guys on that 40 man roster as part of a "throw in" to get this trade done with Toronto? So what if it looks like Theo "lost" the trade. The fact is he got the guys he wanted that are long term fits and cleared up a few spots on the 40 man roster.

    The time has come that all of us have been waiting for. Those good problems to have have arrived and the Cubs are going to be getting rid of guys that may have value but just not enough value for the direction we are headed.

    Let's not fall in love with these guys because they are Cubbies. I'm more in love with winning a World Series than in love with guys on that list that just aren't going to get us to the promised land. So if Toronto wants more than just Shark to get this deal done, I hand them a list of guys I just mentioned and tell them take a few....

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