Sit on it Al! Cubs 4 Pirates 1.

The Cubs started off the bottom of the first with Julio Borbon getting on base with a walk, Stealing second, and going to third with a wild throw. Man on third, no outs. The Cubs failed to get him in. But before Cub fans could draw the target circles on their crotches and finish the warm up swings with the croquet mallets, the Cubs started playing some baseball. Alfonso Soriano went yard twice with a runner on base, and Multiple Ed Jackson decided to put on the nasty head today and hold the first place Pirates at bay. Throw in some good work by the bullpen, (yes, I’m aware of what I just typed….) and it adds up to a 4-1 Cubs win. Let’s check our math, show our work, and turn it in to teacher.

THRILLER

Edwin Jackson had it going on today. Jackson pitched five and two thirds innings while only allowing one run, a Pedro Alvarez home run, on 4 hits while walking two and striking out 3. Jackson probably could have finished out the 6th, (he only had 96 pitches under his belt) but Sveum saw an opportunity to give James Russell a one at bat appearance, which i guess is as close to a day off is Russell isever going to get. Matt Gurrier went hot knife threw butter for two innings, (On 16 pitches, 12 of them strikes. Trade approved…) Kevin Gregg made every outfielder run over 100 feet to catch the ball, but got through the 9th for the save.

AAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Soriano was the entire Cub offense today. His two home runs put him past Andre Dawson for 11th on the all time list For Cub home runs with 175. He’s now 59th all time, tied with Harold Baines ( EVI-DENT-LEE!!!!!!) with 384. Soriano has gone 12 for 33 with 5 HR and 12 RBI in his last 8 games. Contrarty to everyone on twitter, this doesn’t really raise his trade value. It might, however, make him TRADEABLE. Whatever. He’s done a lot for the Cubs. And since he’s not bringing anything back for the future most likely, I’m just going to enjoy him while I can.

CONGRATS.

Big Shout out to Travis Wood for making his first All- Star game. Travis totally deserved it, throwing 16 quality starts out of 17 appearances. Even if there wasn’t a mandatory 1 from each team rule, Travis has been on Stud-level all year and deserves his trip to Queens….. which doesn’t sound like a compliment at all but really is.

So once again the Cubs bounce back from a tough loss. There are some things to like about this team. I just wish consistency was one of them. Anyway, Arguello is going to be heckling Spiegel into singing one of my favorite Tom Petty songs at the Tributo show tonight. So I’m on Garza watch. Speaking of which, Garza threw an excellent pie in Travis Wood’s face. good form, got all of the face, didn’t hurt his elbow, sours were impressed. Price just went up. And tomorrow the Moose-tache makes his starting return against AJ Burnett, whose stuck it up the Cubs’ heinie all season. Until then….

 

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  • From ESPN Baseball desk.....Alfonso Soriano is the best bat on the trade market today for any playoff bound team......

    Cubs have the....

    Best Starting pitcher on the trade market.....

    Best Reliever on the trade market.....

    Best hitter on the trade market.....

    Theo & Jed must be smiling from ear to ear.....

    Can't wait to hear what the Non- All Star, Wanna -be "Ace" Samardzija will bitch about when all his buddies get traded to playoff teams.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Link please.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    You have no basis for ad homonym personal attacks on Shark. So he's not Bob Gibson. But there's is no doubt he gives it everything he's got when he's on the bump. And he's a class act.

    Those swipes just makes you seem like a small, bitter old man.

  • Take all the best offers ASAP

  • Why do you hate Samardzija so much?

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    In reply to felzz:

    I think it is because Shark wears his emotions on his sleeve. Which I can understand that hyper-competitiveness rubs some people the wrong way. I like it as long as he is that bulldog like on the mound (which I really have not seen yet.).

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    In reply to felzz:

    I think he feels that Samardzjia is not a true ace. I think he is a legit #2 myself but with ace potential. If I look at the #1 starters for each team in the NL, I have to ask myself if I would rather have Shark than the other guy and in most instances, I'd take the other guy. He slots in real favorably with other teams #2 guys, and is an upgrade over every #3. I think Cubs Talk just expresses himself differently and I think he is trying to drive home is point that Shark is not an ace..

  • In reply to felzz:

    You talk'in to me?......
    Are you talking to me ?.......

    I remember one time you were not going to talk to me again.......the reason I can't remember..... ...........

    You can talk to me Felzz anytime you want....because I enjoy reading your reports for its own rewards.....stimulation, relaxation, pleasant association and interesting conversation......

    I don't hate Samardzija.......but boy did I hate Mel Rojas when he was pitching for us..........I just think if you are going talk the talk like Jeff does, he better show he is a #1 pitcher....right now, he is not even a #2 pitcher in my mind, but hey, he has high trade value........and I know Jeff is not worth a $175 million contract that he will demand in the near future..........

    If any chance Theo cannot get value for Garza, then I would trade Samardzija instead for the high trade value he has.....and sign Garza for 4 years @ $65 million......but nothing more.....with a trade clause in the contract.....

    if Jackson can pitch a few more good games against playoff teams, maybe Theo can flip him before the trade dead line for one high rated prospect.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    I was just asking a question.

    Trying to engage you in conversation. Instead of the spray to all fields manifestos your posts usually take.

    I don't know where you get 175 million for a demand. And Isure as heck don't see a #4 starter. I can see where you might trade high on him, but I'm not there yet.

    Jackson isn't getting flipped

    Anyway. Onwards.

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    In reply to felzz:

    I think I've figured it out. Cubs Talk IS Mel Rojas! (j/k)

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    Laces out!!!

  • In reply to felzz:

    I think maybe CubsTalk believes as a quite a number of people do that Samardzija needs to earn the right to believe he speaks as Shop Steward and a Bona Fide ace.

    It is not that long ago that he was a poor member of the bullpen.

    I'm as delighted as any Cubs fan with his turnaround but he is neither Verlander-esque nor with a prolonged / sustained history of positive contributions to the cause.

    Wearing emotions on the sleeve is great and I have defended this in other posts, it is great to have somebody so desperate to win as opposed to people who have turned down a run at a WS Ring elsewhere - Ramirez / DPLee / Soriano, but to date it would be great if Samardzija's performance was covering the checks being cashed by his ego.

  • Congrats to Travis Wood, indeed. I do enjoy watching a good pitcher, who can run, field his position, and swing the bat.

    Sorta' like Rick Reuschel, except Rick wasn't nearly as good with the bat as Mr. Wood.

  • In reply to Jim Hickman:

    Reuschel was good with the bat.....you youngsters don't know how good "Big Daddy" was at the plate.

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    I remember Reushel very well. He hit something like 2 or 3 HRs the entire time he was in Chicago and never reached 10 rbi in a season. He was a solid bunter, but in the days of 4 starter rotations, he was able to pile up more chances to sacrifice. Travis Wood is an athlete and already has more HRs in his youth than Reuschel did his entire career.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Now Reuschel had a very good career. That slow wind-up that made you think he was tired from pitch one.

    Career hitting records
    168/202/217

    But he sure did hit the long ball.....

    4 Home runs in one season......oh sorry, make that his career.

    Over 1115 AB's

    So every 278 AB's he knocked one out.

    Travis Wood
    258/303/484

    5 HR's Already in only 151 AB's

    So over 151 AB's Reuschel may have hit one HR, but Wood has 5 and still counting. Has a hitting line that makes him a starter on this team, and you bring up Reuschel as someone who was good at the plate.....

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    And as a frequent pinch runner. The big dude was a real athlete.

  • Yeah, lay off the Shark. You want a guy loves his mates. That's a leader.

  • In reply to wastrel:

    Like that player on the Washington Bullets?. :O

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    The return for Nolasco is nothing good, which goes to show you how important is to match up with a team that doesn't want to take on salary. With L.A. paying all of Nolasco's salary, and granted Miami's FO is the complete antithesis of the Cubs FO, the return is shockingly below value. My fear is that it sets the market far too low. These guys are not even Top 20 team prospects and none have really any potential to be even average major league players. #Worried

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    At the same time, Nolasco is a bit of a downgrade from Garza, and there really aren't anymore pitchers like Garza on the market... Unless a team wants to go for Peavy who is still injured at the moment. He's going to have a tough time establishing that he's all the way back before the deadline I imagine. I don't know that we should worry ourselves too much at the moment. We have a lot more things in our favor w Garza then the Marlins did w Nolasco.

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    In reply to Jamato:

    The downgrade is not that significant. In fact, Nolasco may be netter, but this isn't a Marlins or Dodgers blog.

    Garza has a career ERA of 3.82, a FIP of 4.00, strikes out 7.61/9 IP, and walks 3.06/9. He gives up a homer per game and has only posted one season with an fWAR better than 3.2 (4.8 in 2011 with the Cubs). That one season -- and it's the only season Garza posted a FIP below 4 -- has built Matt into something he is absolutely not and has never been: a top of the rotation hurler.

    While Nolasco doesn't have the reputation of Garza, he's actually been the better pitcher (according to Fan Graphs - where I am cutting and pasting this from) over their respective careers.

    Nolasco's best season -- a 2009 campaign in which he struck out 9.49 per nine, walked just over 2 per nine, and posted a 3.35 FIP and 4.1 fWAR -- wasn't quite as good as Garza's best, but it wasn't as far off as their reputations would imply.

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    4 years removed from his best season where Garza is 2 years removed (including pretty much missing an entire season).

    If you cannot see by the way Garza is pitching, he is better than Nolasco.

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    In reply to Zakh:

    Over the course of their careers there is not much difference dude. Slice it any way you want. You can overrate Garza all you want, other GMs will not. Just like the Dempster trade last year, Garza will bring back less than you all are expecting. HE IS A RENTAL PLAYER - HE IS NOT A LONG TERM ASSET FOR ANYBODY WHO TRADES FOR HIM. ALSO - WHOMEVER TRADES FOR HIM DOES NOT GET TO TENDER HIM. NO DRAFT PICK. Once he is traded, everybody who thinks Garza is an ace will be on their high horse saying the Cubs should have kept him. Predictable fandamonium.

  • every team in the league knows Miami's FO and ownership is only worried about the financial side . LA was willing to pay the bill and Miami would've settled for a case of crabs yet alone a bucket of balls for Nalasco

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Any way you look at this, the LA-MIA trade really sets a very heavy floor and not much of a ceiling for a rental pitcher (#1 - #2 range) in this market. Say the Cubs pick up the $5 million remaining on Garza's contract. What type of an upgrade does that reflect in comparison to the 25th, 22nd and 21st prospects in a weak system? I know Sanchez has some upside potential, but don't forget MIA kicked in an IFA slot as a sweetener.

    Sorry - this trade cannot sit well with Jed and Theo. The Marlins gave Nolasco away. Even scarier, unless they are idiots, and I am not confirming nor denying that, they considered that the best possible return.

    Look, Cubs Talk could be on to something. Maybe you trade Shark for three good prospects (say to ARZ) and re-sign Garza. The net return is far better for the Cubs than what you would get keeping Samardzjia and trading Garza because Shark is a controllable asset.

    Still hoping someone overpays for Garza - but I am thinking, yeah, not likely.

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    In reply to Jive Wired:

    If Shark is a controllable asset then why are we trading him for prospects? I thought the goal was to turn short-term assets into long-term ones. Not long-term into even-longer-term. The only scenario where I can see trading Samardzija making sense if it's a Matt Latos-type deal. The Pads got 2 potential impact, major-league ready prospects along with another young established, high-ceiling but inconsistent starting pitcher. They didn't get guys in AA. They were ready to step right in.

    If the Cubs missed on any Samardzija deal the same people that said we should deal him for prospects will be calling for Theo's head. Same with Castro. Mariners fans still have nightmares about Adam Jones. What about Chris Davis? Brandon Phillips? Josh Donaldson? I bet the Braves wish they could have kept Elvus Andrus and Matt Harrison.

    Just because a guy has value doesn't mean they should be dealt. Especially when they are under control for a while.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I did not say he SHOULD be dealt. I said the net return would be better if you trade Samardzjia and keep Garza. Maybe read the whole post by the way instead of just the parts you want to rebut. Jeez, every time you reply to something I post it is the same thing with you.

    Here was my last line, the one you must have missed: Still hoping someone overpays for Garza - but I am thinking, yeah, not likely.

  • My cursory check on the guys MIA is getting in Nolasco trade isn't very inspiring. I think we're looking at 3 relief prospects.

    Critical differences here are that LAD is picking up rest of Nolasco's salary and Garza is clearly a step above Nolasco(stuff, playoff experience, recent performances). All that being said, I'm not sure what the implications are for Garza's value. I didn't particularly want to deal with LAD and the only guy left on mkt who is in Garza's stratosphere is B Norris- not close though.

    Unrelated: would Matt Moore be of interest this offseason? Price has been talked about but wonder if he could be had. I know he's struggled a bit the last yr or so but I really like his arm-great natural tail on his fastball.

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    I wouldn't deride Shark, but neither would I call him a Legit #2. He's just not a lock-down performer yet, you never really know if he's going to be on or off on a given night. Compared to other #2's out there, would you really want him starting game 2 of a playoff? Until the answer is "hell yes!" I'm good with trading him for a decent package.

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    In reply to SKMD:

    He has #2 peripherals. He has elite stuff. He needs to put the pkg together. The litmus test is ultimately where he would slot on other NL staffs. In most cases, he'd be a #2. That is legit enough for me.

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    In reply to Jive Wired:

    In the past few years most serious fans have, correctly, become believers in peripherals, but in the present you also need to base your judement on results. WHEN he puts it all together, I'll be right there. Until he does, I can't keep clinging to the magic numers that will some day fall into place, that's the kind of wishful thinking Cub fans have grown old clingin to.

  • I just wanna say the only thing worse than living across the street from an outdoor music pavilion is living across from an outdoor music pavillion when Barenaked Ladies and Ben Folds Five are playing.

    I just wonder how much this international money is screwing with the ability to get prospects in trade Not the Feldman deal, that was fine, but aren't they severely over even with the money they acquired. There not going to be able to sign anyone over 250K as a penalty right? Who made this CBA?

    Need beer. Here's hoping Garza isn't traded in next hour or two....

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    In reply to felzz:

    Ben Folds - a favorite. Here is the link to my review of BFF's last album, The Sound Of The Life Of The Mind: http://blog.jivewired.com/2012/09/cd-review-sound-of-life-of-mind-by-ben.html

    Barenaked Ladies - very impressive at Summerfest, despite not having Steven Page, but I though they were playing the 312 on the 9th, so now I'm sad as well.

    About baseball, I was thinking the same thing with the IFA money Felzzy. It's like you read my mind. PS - I am spending WAY TOO MUCH TIME on these boards tonight. I should be enjoying a perfect Wisconsin summer night. Go #Cubs

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    In reply to felzz:

    I thought Barenaked Ladies broke up - are they back?!?

  • In reply to felzz:

    Barenaked Ladies are brutal!

  • In reply to felzz:

    Man, I hope this is wishing you were able to be listening to Ben Folds Five at the show, and not a dig at hearing them from across the street. BFF is a personal favorite (not so much Ben's solo stuff), and I've been lucky enough to see them 6 times live. Great show live.

    As far as what you guys are saying, I think many of us fit in the same boat right now with checking Cubs Den first thing upon waking up, and then again every half hour or so to check on the latest rumors or developments. You might be able to find the details of the trades at other places first, but not the excellent analysis and discussion.

  • If the Cubs are having a hard time of trading Garza, then they might have to sweeten the pot with some young prospects...........maybe add two yutes to spice up the trade for higher prospects from the other side............maybe a Candelario and another Yute?.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Anyone know what a yute is?

  • In reply to DaveP:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNZ1O2KTOOg

    The, the two what? Oh oo, what was that word?
    Ah, what word?
    Two WHAT?
    What?
    Eh, did you say, yeuts?
    Yeah, two yeuts.
    What is a yeut?
    Oh, excuse me, your Honor. Two YOUTHS.

  • Nolasco and draft money to LAD for three minor league relievers.

  • personally , wait while I throw up in my mouth, I trade Shark if the return is 3 legit top prospects . Like everything else Notre Dame Shark has the tools but the results aren't there . Oh God help me I just agreed with Cubstalk .

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    LOLOL

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    and me, if that's any consolation

  • Cubs need to trade Soriano with his value at its highest especially to a AL contender to DH and if Cubs can get a return of Barnes/Webster, Owens, and Swihart for Garza from Red Sox it would be a great return for Garza. Also I was wondering any news on Kevin Gregg trade what kind of return can cubs get for him?

  • Matt Szczur and Albert Almora were removed early from their games, anyone knows if they were promoted? Has Albert Almora tweeted anything?

  • In reply to Caps:

    I don't know about Almora? The article on the Cubs website about Baez's promotion where Jed was interviewed touched on Almora. He basically said if he hadn't broken his bone he'd probably be getting promoted to Daytona by now as well, but maybe they decided to go ahead and move him after all. Maybe they wanted to see how quickly he'd respond to that mini slump he was in, and clearly it was pretty quick. But you'd still think they'd let him finish the game tonight like the did w Baez yesterday.

  • In reply to Jamato:

    True, it's all probably non-related.

  • I keep saying it: don't sleep on Szczur. He's an athlete & big bag of # want. You've seen steady improvement over the last yr-nice secondary skills.

  • If Baezs play in the Fall or Winter league will he start in AAA in 2014?
    Should he?

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Nah. He's gonna start the year in Tennessee. Unless he posts something absolutely ridiculous. Most expect Baez to struggle at AA the way he struggled at Daytona last year and beginning of this year. He hit a homer in his first AB, that's awesome. But AA is where most of the top prospects play. He's gonna have a strikeout run and a a couple of weeks where he hits .150..... All part of the process.

  • In reply to felzz:

    At the same time, it's pretty damned cool that one of our big-time prospects has reached one of the higher levels. For all of the talk of the improved farm system, and the excitement prospects such as Baez/Soler/Almora generate among Cubs fans, they still seem so far away from reaching the big club. This gives us a little bit of hope that those players are getting closer. I don't expect those guys to play regularly for the Cubs until 2015, but this maybe gets Baez a looksee in Chicago in September of 2014 if he performs well.

  • For the record, Russell has only pitched twice in the past seven days (Sunday through Saturday).

    Tuesday he pitched 1/3 inning, facing three batters, throwing 16 pitches. Today (Saturday) he pitched 1/3 inning facing one batter throwing five pitches.

    He has thrown 32.1 innings on the year. How many innings per year is considered too many for a reliever?

  • I have never seen a magic number, probably because the issue is much more complex for a reliever than a starter.

    Russel has only pitched 32 innings, but he has appeared in 42 games. Even when he only pitches to one batter in a game, he has had to warm up just as if he was pitching the whole game. And for a pitcher like Russell, almost every pitch is a high stress pitch, often with runners already on base and the game on the line.

  • Also, can we put this Shark "critical" comments about the FO to bed, I just listened to Jed's interview with Kaplan, and when asked about Jeff's comments, Jed said that he actually liked Shark's response. He said he wants 25 guys that are that competitive on the roster, and get upset about losing talented players like that. Total non issue.

  • In reply to Jamato:

    Amen!

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    For those who are concerned, I don't think the Nolasco trade affects Garza's value at all. The deal the Marlins have made with the Dodgers is so ridiculous that it's obvious it's nothing more than a salary dump by the Marlins. None of those three is in the Dodger's top 20, and the Dodgers are considered to be a below average system.

    I'll be honest. This deal is so bad that it won't shock me if Selig doesn't approve it and makes them rework it, and I think it would be in the best interest of baseball if he did.

    The one caveat here is that, if the Dodger were still interested in acquiring Garza, they still have the trade chips to get it done.

    Some have suggested that teams like Boston might offer us a similar package for Garza and take on all the salary. To which I say, Boston can go !@#$ themselves, and so can anyone else who thinks they're going to get Garza that cheaply. I'd rather have the draft pick.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I'm with you. I saw that deal and laughed to myself at how one sided it was. If anything, I think this only helps us in that the second best SP available is off the market. Like you said, teams are smart enough to know it was a salary dump deal, and whoever was more interested in him is forced to pay closer attention to Garza. Hopefully this drives his price up even ever more slightly.

    And with the Dodgers adding a very solid arm maybe this lights a fire under the asses of the other NL West teams to get serious about Garza w that division being so tight. I just wish the Padres weren't fading bc we'd have that benefit of being so familiar w that system. I'd hate to see them decide to become sellers.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Agreed Michael and as is the case with the deadline someone will want to win badly enough and hopefully pay dearly....These other GM's have to realize their dealing with Theo and not Jim Hendry who's have been all too happy to aquiesce to any shit offer

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    MLB has Angel Sanchez as the Dodgers 7th best prospect overall & 5th best pitching prospect.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    take the mlb rankings for prospects a grain of salt. Last year they had Ben wells ranked 10th best prospect in the system.....

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Mayo is smoking crack. Sanchez is about to turn 24, and he is in Low-A. He has a fastball that sits 92-94 and tops out around 96, but that's about it. The rest of his stuff and his command are questionable. Ames is ranked 15th by Sickels, and BA, BP and Fangraphs don't think much of any of them. Sanchez has also had some other issues. The Dodgers have had to get on him in the past because he doesn't put out the effort in between starts. If Sanchez ever makes it, it's probably going to be as a reliever.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    The MIA-LA trade sets a market. That is the concern. Teams will not say "Miami made a bad trade." They will say "The going rate for a FA starter is this, this and that." The Cubs will have to negotiate upward. How far they can get above that depends on other factors. Demand is the best tangible asset on the Cubs side but as I have explained with each start that Garza makes you have to factor time decay into the equation - it is one less start he makes for the acquiring team. Supply is limited but the Brewres are dangling Galardo and Philadelphia has Cliff Lee possibly available. That decreases the Cubs leverage.

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    In reply to Jivewired:

    No, it doesn't because it's such a completely ridiculous trade. Nolasco was worth way more than what the Marlins got. This trade was a pure salary dump on the part of the Marlins, and everyone is going to see it as such. There may be some teams that try that crap with the Cubs, and if Jim Hendry were in charge, it would probably have worked, but there is a new sheriff in town who won't hesitate to tell those teams to go get !@#$%^.

    The Cubs will trade Garza, and it will be for a decent haul. There will be teams out there who will deal fairly with the Cubs, in spite of this farce. Why? Because they're not short-sighted. They take a long-term approach to things, and they know they may want to deal with the Cubs in the future, only next time the shoe might be on the other foot, which is something the Dodgers should have taken into consideration last year over Dempster.

  • In reply to Jivewired:

    I don't know about that JW. I think other teams know the Marlins were looking to dump salary and that there were much better prospect packages on the table.

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    I don't think anyone should be using Nolasco as a comp for Garza. Nolasco has been thumped lately (except for the Braves game) and doesn't have the AL East playoff pedigree that Garza possesses. Someone will have to offer a young MLB player and a solid prospect, or two high end prospects at a minimum. Otherwise, it is just smarter for the FO to offer arb and get a 1st round pick in the 20-30 range (likely).

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    In reply to Ray A:

    Actually, Nolasco has pitched pretty well.

    ERA: 3.85 FIP: 3.52 xFIP: 3.70

    His K/9, BB/9, HR/9, BABIP and LOB% are all around his career averages. He just plays for a crappy team. Miami is dead last in all of baseball in runs scored. If he pitched for the Red Sox, who lead all of baseball in runs scored, he'd probably be 8 - 5 instead of 5 - 8. He'd be tied for second on the Red Sox staff, with Buchholz and Lackey for QS with 10, and he'd be third in that rotation in ERA.

  • I don't recall who it was that commented a couple times or more that the Cubs should go after David Price but just wondering if the FO deals Garza for prospects, if they could then turn around and deals those prospects plus a couple more to TB. Price, Shark, Wood, Jackson, and Baker/Cabrera/Arrieta.....not bad at all.

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    In reply to WSorBust:

    Actually most of us feel that any deal for Price makes us worse off overall. The cost to acquire him was already going to be hard to swallow and combine that with the high mileage on that arm, decrease in velocity, and multiple injuries this season it he's no longer worth the package it'll take to get him. We'll be better off developing the guys people want to trade.

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    In reply to WSorBust:

    Price is a free agent after this season right? Or am I wrong? Why give up prospects to sign a guy at your price when, if he will sign at your price anyway, you can wait until the offseason? He cannot help the Cubs this year.

  • In reply to Jivewired:

    Just a little off....2016

    He only had 3.164 years of service time going into this season.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/priceda01.shtml

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    In reply to The Cubs Way:

    I still wouldn't want Price unless you could get him at value or less. Not Tampa's historical MO - though in the grand scheme of things what we gave up for Garza ended up being negligible. I could go into what a crapshoot prospects are but it's like beating a dead horse. Pass on Price.

  • In reply to Jivewired:

    I wouldn't give up two of our top five prospects to get him but what I tossed out there would essentially mean exchanging Garza for Price and throwing in a couple other good but not top prospects.It would be pretty much like the Garza trade. They would want to make sure Price is healthy but he's been very good in his two starts since coming back from his triceps injury.

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    In reply to Jivewired:

    Price doesn't hit free agency for two more seasons. They're doing with him exactly what they did with Garza. They'll move him, probably this winter, in order to maximize his time value.

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