It must be "Bring Your Gun Week" on the CTA

I must have missed the memo.

Apparently it’s “Bring Your Gun Week” on the CTA. At least that’s what you might think in hearing about two gun incidents on CTA buses in the last two days.

First there were the passengers last week who got into a fight on a bus. A video shows the bus driver breaking up the altercation, and then discovering a gun on the floor. The apparent gun owner then high-tails it off the bus after the driver says, “Oh, we have a weapon here?”

Then on Tuesday a passenger found a gun on a seat and picked it up, thinking it was toy. He dropped the gun, which hit the floor and discharged, striking a friend in the leg.

Now don’t these CTA gun-toters know that while the Illinois Legislature approved concealed carry of guns, it’s still illegal to bring a gun aboard a CTA bus or train.

Tsk, tsk. One wonders what the NRA would say about these incidents.
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  • I don't think the NRA would have a comment, but as the prior incidents (killings on 103, and a killing and another gun assault on buses near the 69 station), it always seems gun season, at least for those dumb enough not to consider the on bus cameras. Apparently the one involving the driver (CBS Local says on route 52) was captured by a passenger's cell phone.

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    Not good for the image of the CTA

  • Can't they make guns that don't fire when dropped? Seems like a good idea even the NRA could get behind.

  • In reply to chris:

    I *highly* doubt the gun fired when dropped. People not familiar with firearm handling have a very nasty habit of putting their finger on the trigger when they handle a firearm. Practically every picture you see of a gun grabbing congress critter holding a firearm shows them with their finger on the trigger. That's a big no-no. I'm guessing the person picked up the gun, and "accidentally" pulled the trigger, got scared, and dropped the gun. Of course they're going to say they dropped it, as they're not going to admit that they basically shot the other passenger.

  • In reply to SpinyNorman:

    Exhibit A:

  • I'm a 30+ year member of the NRA, and what I would say is what we've been saying for decades, criminals don't give a sh*t about the gun laws, that's why they're criminals. Banning guns on public transportation only disarms the law abiding citizen, leaving them vulnerable to the criminals. Chicago, the murder capital of the country, has had some of the most draconian gun laws on the books for ages, and it's a real paradise, no?

    Now, if the state and federal prosecutors would actually start enforcing some of the laws, well then, maybe we'd make some progress. Heck, they actually convicted a gun runner late last year, although he got sentenced to far less than the maximum allowable sentence. It's a felony for a felon, or a known gang member, to posses a firearm. Prosecute them. It's a felony to buy a firearm out of state without a federal firearm dealer in the middle. Prosecute them.

  • SpinyNorman makes a lot of good points. Guns rarely go off when dropped and this is almost certainly an accidental shooting. It's also amazing to me how uninformed people are about what Concealed Carry means, including the author of this article. Concealed Carry does not suddenly make it legal for anyone to carry a gun anywhere, and certainly doesn't give criminals the right to carry guns. These 2 incidents are most certainly due to criminals carrying guns illegally. Not sure how that is possibly the NRA's problem or how anyone who understands basic logic would blame the NRA for these incidents. Chicago has a serious illegal gun crime problem, which has nothing to do with Concealed Carry or law-abiding citizens carrying firearms.

  • In reply to JohnnyJr:

    Illinois is laughingly, the last state to get some type of concealed carry law. I believe Florida was the first 25+ years ago, and since the, all states have passed CCW laws, and millions of Americans now carry legally. If you look at the crime statistics, CCW holders have a far lower conviction rate than the general public. In other words, CCW holders are not a problem. Sure, there are a handful of nitwits that make the news once in a while, but as a whole, they are not a problem.

    When you consider the time, money, and hassle involved in getting a license, not to mention the fact that your life will be completely turned inside out if you have to actually use the weapon, a CCW holder is not going to risk losing their license by carelessly handling or brandishing the weapon.

  • OK, what do you propose, metal detectors before we get on the buses or trains?

  • In reply to ibilldavis:

    I don't think that's that facetious. Transit is already surrounded by cameras, paid for by Homeland Security. I still wonder why the first reaction to the possibility of a plane hitting Sears Tower was installing metal detectors in the lobby.

    If you already have to use Ventra to go through turnstiles at L stations, putting a metal detector on the turnstile is not much of a leap.

  • In reply to ibilldavis:

    No, just the opposite. Banning concealed carry on public transportation should not have been part of the CCW bill. Someone who is trained and licensed to carry should not have to give up their right to defend themselves simply because they are riding a bus. The criminals are certainly not leaving their firearms behind, so why should the law abiding?

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    Guns are made so they don't discharge when dropped. In most situations, either the person holding the gun had his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired, dropped the gun and claimed it fell. Or the person holding the gun, dropped it, tried to grab it to control it and accidentally pulled the trigger. Again, guns are made so they don't discharge when dropped. Quit believing the tv cop shows.

    Second, you CAN carry on mass transit if you have a FOID card on you. It's perfectly legal to FOID TRANSPORT a gun. Unloaded and cased. So you can have an unloaded gun in your fanny pack and a loaded magazine in your pocket. It would take a second longer to slap the mag in, rack the slide and be ready to go, but with the crime rate on Chicago mass transit, it's well worth the extra second.

  • In reply to Hipshot Percussion:

    Yes, known as "Container Transport" or "Fanny Pack Carry", one can transport a firearm in a sealed case or fanny pack. It appears that ammunition is not regulated, so it can be stored with the firearm in the case, or separate. Hipshot, do you have a link to a source describing this form of carry? Searching for information about carrying on public transportation returns results that are tied to CCW. As this is type of carry is not a form of CCW, it's hard to find a good source of information.

  • In reply to SpinyNorman:

    OK, I found some hopefully useful information. Frankly, it's just so much simpler to be a criminal, and ignore the laws. Trying to be a law abiding citizen in Illinois is a royal pain in the a**.

    From the Illinois State Police FAQ:

    In order to comply with the Criminal Code, the Wildlife Code, and the Firearm Owner’s Identification Act, when transporting a firearm, it must be:

    - broken down in a non-functioning state; or
    - not immediately accessible; or
    - unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner’s Identification Card.

    Also, having ammunition stored with the firearm is legal, so long as the firearm is unloaded and properly enclosed in a case.

    Lastly, Illinois' Unlawful Use of Weapons law does not preempt local ordinances from banning firearms. Persons carrying or transporting firearms through such communities could be subject to local firearm ordinances. I don't know if the City of Chicago bans transporting firearms on buses and trains.

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