Tattler reader petitions Google Maps for CTA "L" lines with proper colors

A longtime CTA Tattler reader and commenter has started an online petition requesting that Google Maps “give the Chicago L lines their proper colors” when representing them on their maps.

Currently, the maps render routes with a default bluish color. They do show the correct color of the “L” line at the start points of the route.

This makes sense. If you agree, sign the petition.


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  • As I pointed out on chicagobus.org, this is the most trivial of CTA's problems, and, of course there is no proof that Google will listen.

    Now if someone would do something about that inaccurate waste of federal money that is goroo, that might be something.

  • In reply to jack:

    I see that all the new buses will have normal, transverse seating.
    So it looks like that idiocy will end there, so why don't they at least have all the remaining 5000s done that way?

  • In reply to ScooterLibbby:

    1. This bus order was just basically picking up on a Seattle one. And there was the amazing coincidence that CTA ordered 100 buses just before it announced that the Dan Ryan Red Line was being closed for rebuilding and 100 buses would be needed for the shuttle. We'll have to see what they get on the next advertised 450-600 bus order.

    2. Claypool, in his infinitesimal wisdom, has already said what CTA was going to do about the rail cars, in about as clear a manner as is possible for him. And, if some retired CTA employee wants to get into an argument whether Claypool said that, some CTA spokesperson said it on his behalf.

  • In reply to ScooterLibbby:

    I think it's more realistic to try to get the CTA to wake up and really think about the width and design of the seats they're installing. They use the same old size of seat scoop from 40 years ago despite the radically different configuration of the train cars and the increase in obesity of people in general. Even within this cookie-cutter plan, they could have about a one inch wider seat and still fit 34 per car (notice the gaps at the end of the closed-in blocks of seating), and they could do much better than that if they were willing to settle for, let's say, 28 or 30 seats per car. Lastly, I think a FOIA request is in order so that the public can figure out exactly in what ways the CTA is limited by the body framework of the new cars. At least that would enable people from outside the agency to suggest better ideas, given that the agency itself has declined to present any alternatives.

  • In reply to dblissmn:

    The body framework is irrelevant!
    Many of the 1000 series buses have seats that are totally supported from the outer wall.
    They are attached at the seat level & have a wide angled brace to the wall at the floor level.
    This is elementary structural engineering. It's probably the first thing any engineer learns: that a triangle is the strongest structure.
    There wouldn't be any problem installing seats this way on an L car.
    And buses with sideways seats also are too narrow & have large spaces at the ends of some sections where they've been installed.
    On some of the articulated buses, with all sideways seats, the trailer section would actually hold more people with transverse seating due to the fact that the trailer is never filled with standees & that the wheel humps make standing impossible in those locations.

    It's obvious that whoever in CTA management decided on this, there is one thing I definitely know about them: They hate the passengers, even though they wouldn't have a job without us!

  • In reply to ScooterLibbby:

    The last clause is definitely wrong. Political hacks always take care of themselves. Especially in Illinois.

    The only unanswered question is why subsequent hacks threw out the permission Huberman got to at least put in seats that matched those in the 4150 series of buses.

  • In reply to ScooterLibbby:

    I don't know about actual hate for the passengers. What I do detect is that classic trap many marketers fall into, in which they do not think of the customers as real people just like themselves, who have likes, dislikes and preferences, and would like some genuine respect (not the lip-service kind). It's just so much easier to envision them as herd animals who will do as told and like it, because for whatever reason they don't deserve any better. Of course it's even easier to get away with this attitude when you have no competition.

  • In reply to CCWriter:

    And especially where they don't pay the freight (in that CTA is not a profit making enterprise), and many are of the type that use the system as sleeping accommodations.

    Some president at HP may bet fired if the company doesn't meet profit expectations, but it took Madigan to tell Daley (reportedly) to get rid of Kruesi to accomplish that. Claypool knows about as much about transit as he knew about his RTS Health System, but apparently Emanuel thinks he is a useful tool. And, that's the bottom line, as Stone Cold used to say so.

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    right no way to guarantee that google listens. my plan is to see how many signatures I can get, then send the petition to google using various channels.

  • In reply to Seth:

    Google currently has all train lines as Subways which is not accurate as well.

  • I prefer their names to their colors.

  • This would be confusing for the orange and yellow lines, as those colors are already used for interstates and significant surface streets.

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    New York and San Francisco have color-coded rail lines on Google Maps. Why can't the same be done for Chicago? This has been bugging me for years.

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    I was specifically referring to the transit layer in my previous comment. Currently, if you turn on the transit layer, 'L' lines show up in grey and Metra in green. If you were referring to the directions overlay, then the color-coding will not happen. But if you were referring to the transit layer, this IS possible and has already been done with other cities (some even smaller than Chicago, like Montréal).

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