Rios and Dunn and the new order

Over at Southside Showdown, I wrote about how Robin Ventura might have just as strong of a need to stick by Alex Rios and Adam Dunn, despite how abominably awful that sounds.  Click the title to follow the link, and tell me if it doesn't work, because it might tick me off enough to quit posting over there altogether.


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  • James, because I can't reasonably conceive of a scenario where Rios and Dunn are trade-able properties after the first few months of the 2012 season, what if Konerko is having another good year and the Sox are ten games out close to the deadline? If Konerko gave his consent, would you move him for a decent organizational prospect?

    [if you answer in the affirmative, beware of flying refuse]

  • In reply to Chris Lamberti:

    "Organizational" and "prospect" are kind of conflicting terms, since "organizational guy" refers to someone just around to fill out a minor league roster, and "prospect" might actually be something.

    10 games out, I have a year and a half left of Paulie. I've already let the greatest pitcher in franchise history walk off into the sleazy neon sunset, Dunn stinks, Rios stinks, the team stinks, the other vestige of '05 (AJ) is walking at the end of the year. I think Dan Fabian is already starting my car for me before I leave work every night. Even though I bucked my traditional MO by going hog-wild in the draft, I'm still going to need an effin' miracle to rebuild in less than 5 years. I'm cashing all chips. I wait for the calls to come, I play up that he's our rock, our captain, we can't bear to part with him, then I wait for the prospect name that makes Rick Hahn's eyes bulge out to get mentioned, and I make the deal--and I demand a bullpen arm or two just so I don't look all the way stupid.

    Paulie gets called into the office, we hug, and I make sure Ventura pulls him for a defensive sub in the middle of his last game so he can get his ovation. I pretend to get a little choked up in the press conference, then I go home, crawl inside a bottle of Tanqueray and take the rest of the week off.

  • In reply to James Fegan:


    I used the term "organizational prospect" to refer to the guys on BP or BA top 11 or 10 prospects in each organization who are not necessarily on the Top 101 or 100 prospect lists. I thought that this was standard among those in the know. But you'll notice that "I thought" crept its way into this reasoning, and that's where I may have gone wrong. What I think (oh boy, here we go again!) now is that I made it up in my mind and/or I've been using "organization prospect" when I talk with my imaginary baseball friends, who've been reticent and not corrected me because, you know, dissident imaginary friends are easily "taken care of" in imaginary ways.

  • In reply to Chris Lamberti:

    I can see that, but that also would be a vague description. Nestor Molina fits the profile of someone like that, but then again, a GM who traded an above-average first-basemen for the White Sox #10 prospect probably needs to be lobotomized.

  • In reply to James Fegan:

    When I wrote "decent organizational prospect" I guess I meant 3 star or lower tier 4 star -type prospects by Goldstein's standards, rather than a particular number within an organization (which, as you point out, is very much relative). I can't imagine the Sox could get much more from a team at the deadline willing to take on almost $20mil for the remainder of Konerko's age 36 and entire age 37 seasons.

  • In reply to Chris Lamberti:

    At any rate, you're right. I'm going to shelve the term "organizational prospect," after I file it under "useless."

  • In reply to Chris Lamberti:

    Yeah that sounds about right, unless....

    Step 1: Enter Kevin Towers' office while holding Trevor Bauer at knifepoint

    Step 2: Begin negotiations

  • In reply to James Fegan:

    Step 3: While Towers is preoccupied negotiating for Bauer at knifepoint, make off with Tyler Skaggs out the back.

  • In reply to Chris Lamberti:

    Step 4: Make sure it is Tyler Skaggs, and not Boz Scaggs.

    Step 5: It is Boz Scaggs

    Step 6: Dammit.

  • Step 7: Phone Brooks Boyer about emergency Dog Days of Boz Scaggs promo

    Step 8: Curse as you listen to Boyers' chipper voicemail greeting

    Step 9: Go to plan B (page 27)

    […thumbs through Acme Baseball Operations Guide…]

    Plan B

    Step 1: Dress up Boz Scaggs as Bryce Harper, sedate and tie to chair

    Step 2: Call for press conference

    Step 3: Cross fingers

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