CPAC 2011: Ron Paul's Last Straw With YAF (Time for Paulies to Grow Up)

-By Warner Todd Huston

Ron Paul may have won the CPAC straw poll but he's lost Young Americans for Freedom, a conservative, college Republican-style organization to which he used to belong. Just as the results of the straw poll were revealed YAF announced they were kicking Paul out of the organization.

This is a pretty big deal, too. If you aren't aware, Paul served on YAF's board of advisors for more than two decades, he's commented positively about YAF on the floor of the House in the past, and was once awarded the Guardian of Freedom award, YAF's top honor.

This break is a hard one, indeed, and it's mostly over Paul's simple-minded foreign policy ideas. In a statement released by YAF, the organization's Senior National Director Jordan Marks said, "It is a sad day in American history when a one-time conservative-libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America's needs for national security than the current feeble and appeasing administration."

Marks went on:

Rep. Paul's refusal to support our nation's military and national security interests border on treason, aside from his failure to uphold his oath to the United States Constitution and defend our country and citizens against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Rep. Paul has strayed to the left of Obama and allied himself with the radical anti-war left by laying the blame on America for the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11th. Additionally, Rep. Paul has not condemned the 9/11 "Truther" conspiracy theorists that support him, and he has repeatedly insisted, that the United States not bring justice to those who have murdered thousands of our civilians and soldiers at home and abroad. This is simply unacceptable. Clearly Rep. Paul cares more about a doomed presidential run than he does our country.

YAF chairman Michael Jones also issued a statement.

The United States is in a time of economic crisis, but this is no excuse to abandon the principles that have built this great country and spread its ideals to the darkest recesses of the planet. The United States is the world's leader--a beacon of light for the wretched and the oppressed. God has blessed the United States with liberty and the strength and heart to spread that liberty to all of his children. Rep. Paul has abandoned this mission, abandoned the United States' citizens, and abandoned the citizens of the world in their quest for their God-given natural rights.

As purges go, I am beginning to agree that the Paulies might not be the worst target for a good shunning. This CPAC was the final straw (poll), if you will. Ron Paul received a ridiculous 30 percent of the straw poll vote. But once you get out into the real world Paul's support plummets to but a few small percentage points. The reason Paul won this poll (again) is because his organization flooded the place with 20 something kids all of whom dutifully voted for their patron. This poll was no reflection of the general conservative movement at all.

Ron Paul has made a mockery out of a straw poll that should be just a fun exercise, one that is meant to get a loose idea about what the general conservative movement is thinking.

But, the silliness of the straw poll isn't the only reason why Paul is over the top. We've already discussed his wrong-headed foreign policy ideas above, but here is the other thing... his supporters are uncivil punks.

Seriously. They are rabid, grossly over amped, childish, petulant, stick any negative description here and they are it. CPAC is a conservative event. But it is one for adults. Not the loud, unruly children that Ron Paul has repeatedly sent to the event. CPAC should be a place where all versions of Republicans and conservatives (which are assuredly not synonymous, of course) can come to hear speeches and learn what all sides of the conservative movement are thinking. We should sit and listen attentively like grown ups and not constantly boo people with whom we disagree.

Unfortunately, the Paulies don't seem to have been paper trained enough to understand the sort of decorum that is incumbent upon them. They act like the teenagers they are, those with over simplified ideas and not enough experience to know history or reality.

Listen, I am not for dumping principles, to "get along" with other conservatives with whom I disagree. But this is our big tent and we shouldn't sit her passively while the Paulie circus act craps all over our floor.

This weekend I spoke to conservatives that think Chris Christie has to be our nominee. I also spoke to conservatives that think Romney is our only bet. They are both wrong. Christie is not solidly enough conservative to survive a Primary and Romney is... well, he's flip flopping Mitt. But I didn't heckle these well meaning conservatives in our own house. Yes they are wrong but we had an honest and civil conversation about it.

The problem is that each and every one of these guys all expressed a fear of being vocal during the event for fear that the roving band of Paulies would begin their rabid denouncements upon hearing anything negative about Paul. Heck they even begin ganging up on people on the floor for just saying that someone else is a better candidate. We shouldn't be a fraud to speak in our own big tent! The debate is what this event is for, fer cripes sakes.

Again, it would not be so bad if Ron Paul had ANY support outside of the CPAC convention. If Paul was a great favorite all across the land the Paulies attitude might be more understandable. But Paul has practically no support outside the circle of 20 somethings he sends to conventions.

Its time for the Paulies to grow up. Good for YAF for being so straight forward about their break with Congressman Paul.

I want to thank RedCounty.com and RightPundits.com for sponsoring me at this year's big bash.

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  • Way off base and out of touch with reality!
    The 2011 CPAC event was just another unheard wakeup call to the Neocons, in my opinion. I'm one of the "Paulies" that you so sophomorically referred to in this so-called news article. I'm in my 40's by the way- just like most of the Ron Paul supporters. It is evident that you are not informed about the YAF organization, and why these Neocons launched a smut campaign against Ron Paul:
    Jordan Marks is a self admitted Zionist Neocon. If you look up Jordan Marks on Facebook, you may not be shocked at what kind of person that he really is. Firstly, under interests on his page, you see that he is not in the U.S. military, but has mostly ties to every Zionist/Jewish group possible. You will also notice that he has prominently displayed on his FB page that he supports the IDF. He is just another Pamela Geller, or any other racist/bigoted Zionist who seeks to use our soldiers for the gain of Israel. The REAL reason that they are in a frenzy about Ron Paul is that both Rand and Ron Paul have recently come out in the media and stated (truthfully) that we cannot afford to send aid to foreign countries (to pay for their military), when we are currently hemorrhaging money in the Middle East, and several states are facing bankruptcy and possible shut downs. These recent statement by the Pauls caused an uproar in the Zionist media, which called Wolf Blitzer to practically be frothing at the mouth in his interview w/Rand Paul on CNN. lol

    A statement from Ron Paul's campaign mgr., or representative reflects what most peoples' reaction regarding the "Young Americans for Freedom"- (paraphrasing)"This group has not done anything notable in years. I thought that they were already defunct." Then continues: "Ron Paul does not wish to be affiliated with any Neocon groups."
    Here is Lew Rockwell's take on this stunt at CPAC:
    YAF Kicks Ron Paul (and Bucket)
    Posted by Lew Rockwell on February 13, 2011 01:01 PM
    Young Americans for Freedom, the first neocon youth league

  • In reply to Sherriv:

    Using one fringe character (Lew Rockwell) to come to the support of a second fringe character (Ron Paul). Nice symmetry there.

  • I bet the author of this blog must be happy. He must be getting a lot of traffic from all the Ron Paul supporters such as myself that are reading all this nonsense for fun. It really makes this argument black and white, which is very helpful to expose the two parties with one head system we have in America.

    Not only is their article getting flooded with truth and humiliation, it seems your article needs a little bit more.

    Samuel Adams quote
    I Like this quote I dislike this quote

  • In reply to Paulite:

    Now the above reply is a perfect example of why Palutards are and should be unwelcome anywhere they go.

    First of all this creep immediately begins with the insults. typical Paultard. They have no clue what the word "civility" means.

    Then he goes off onto subjects that the original piece above did not in any way touch on nor dispute. The original piece did not talk about the collapse of the dollar yet this Paultard not only makes it his ONLY somewhat sentient point (besides all the insults) but he then ASSumes that the author of the original post would need to "get a clue" about the subject. How would the Paultard even know what the author knows about the collapse of the dollar when it was never even hinted at or discussed in the piece?

    But this Paultard falls back on his hate-filled assumptions to make that leap, just like all Paultards do.

    But my favorite was this one... that this posting has been "flooded with truth and humiliation," he says. This after ONE other comment was posted. ONE comment is a "flood" to this hyperbolic fool. This is why Paultards are so absurd. They are hyperbole wrapped up in hatred surrounded by other Paulbots doing exactly the same thing.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    Just wait when Physical Silver is 50$ in April...

    Cotton is at civil war levels.. no inflation?
    -
    I respect free speech so good for you for speaking your mind, but you will find out sooner than later.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    Again, now we are veering off into silver and cotton prices! WHERE, in God's name, did the original post talk about monetary issues or the economy? WHERE did the original post lead you to believe that I would discount Paul's economic positions?

    The problem with you Paulnuts is that you are so sold on your little god that even the tiniest criticism of the man sends you off into a stratosphere of hatred.

    For your information, I think Paul is mostly right on his economic ideas. Not all but right enough for me to stand behind him on economics.

    Yet, here you go, off on some tangent criticizing me for something I DIDN'T even discuss in the original post.

    Do try to read things for what they actually say and NOT what your fevered mind imagines they say.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    I agree, I've gone to CPAC 3 years in a row. I voted for Romney each of the three years. The first year that I was there and Romney won I was in the main hall as we all cheered and congratulated each other. Last year when Ron Paul's name was announced as the winner we were clearly upset and we let them know it in loud boos to make sure that America knew that we would have none of that! CPAC was our convention! I too was there this year to vote for Romney and my boos were drowned out by the cheers of the Paultards in the main hall.

    Next year I might just skip it all together. Unless Mitt puts me up in a room for the night this time.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    Of course those of us who have been around a while know that YAF has a history of purging libertarians over foreign policy issues. The first libertarian purge was in 1969 over the Vietnam War and drug legalization. The rallying cry of the libs at the '69 YAF convention was Laissez Faire to which the highly intellectual mainstream YAFers responded by calling the libertarians Lazy Fairies. After that convention all libertarians and suspected libertarians were kicked out. This was the beginning of the modern libertarian movement. I only wish that YAF was just as quick to purge the socialists in their ranks who support government schools, social security, and the Fed. The last I looked, all I hear from conservatives are ways to "strengthen" and "improve" these institution.

  • In reply to rcordato:

    Prepare to be purged....

  • In reply to conspiracygirl:

    I welcome it. Racists like you are not allowed on my page.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    Racist...? From what do you make that presumption...?

  • In reply to conspiracygirl:

    Publius Forum -

    I am floored at what jerk you are. You started the personal attacks on Ron Paul, and when his supporters try to defend him, you personally attack them.

    Don't confuse yourself with a journalist.

  • In reply to todash19:

    I am NOT a journalist, moron. Never claimed to be.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    Yet even the biased media is more open to considering another argument than you are. You have a very strong antipathy for Ron Paul but my guess is that you cannot explain his positions on anything -- in order to justly say why you disagree with hem.

    For instance, do you know the origins of the Federal Reserve and why he is opposed to it...?
    Can you explain why he is opposed to corporate bailouts...?
    Can you explain whether he believes it is the duty of congress to declare war or the president...?
    Can you explain the difference between Keynesian and Austrian economics...?

    Just for starters....

  • In reply to conspiracygirl:

    Why are you still bothering me? As it happens I am pretty much in agreement with Paul's ideas on the economy. Since you are unable to read for comprehension, I'll just point out that THIS thread was talking about his simple-minded foreign policy ideas.

    Now, do go bother someone else.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    That sounds very much like a talking point, not a substantive disagreement. His ideas on Foreign Policy are hardly simplistic.

    I'm bothering you in the hopes that maybe you'll recognize how most conservatives don't really believe what they say they believe. They say they want smaller government but when it comes down to it, that's not really true. They like the sound of it, but excoriate those who are really serious about it. And they won't consider how much our economic woes relate to the cost of global empire.

  • In reply to publiusforum:

    YAF issues a press release stating "Ron Paul is clearly off his meds" yet you think PAUL'S supporters are immature and negative?? That's just laughable.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    I take Ron Paul very seriously. He may not be the most polished public speaker, but he speaks the truth with unvarnished power; He needs no teleprompter to carry on an intelligent discourse for over two hours to a packed auditorium of twenty and thirty something voters! He may not be the tallest, or the most strikingly handsome candidate, but people want the Real Deal. Ron Paul is the real deal, and speaking of the real deal; Senator Barry Goldwater's son, Congressman Barry Goldwater Jr. endorses Ron Paul. Ron Paul has been warning us for so long of the impending economic disaster we are seeing today, and he has been purposefully working to wake us to realize we must change our course to save the Republic.
    Ron Paul has never taken a government junket.

    He does not participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension Program.

    He returns a portion of his annual Congressional Office Budget every year.

    He has never voted to raise taxes.

    He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.

    He has never voted to restrict gun ownership.

    He has never voted to raise Congressional Pay.

    He never voted to increase Executive Branch Power.

    He will Reinstate The Constitution and Save The Republic

    He will END the unconstituional FED.

    He will phase out the unconstitutional IRS beginning immediately

    He will secure the borders

    He will limit Big Government in your private affairs

    He will Stop Illegal Immigration an No Amnesty

    He voted against regulating the Internet

    He voted against the Iraq War and warned us against going forward with an undeclared war.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    YAF was founded in William F. Buckley's Sharon Connecticut home. He was a very effective neo-conservative -- which is no conservative at all in the traditional sense. Read William F. Buckley, Jr., Pied Piper for the Establishment

  • In reply to DonFolkers:

    It's ahistorical, simple-minded thinking like this that discredits folks.

  • In reply to DonFolkers:

    "simple-minded foreign policy ideas" - This isn't an argument, it's a value judgment. Let's see you refute Paul's specific arguments using logic and reason.

    "a one-time conservative-libertarian stalwart has fallen more out of touch with America's needs for national security than the current feeble and appeasing administration." - As far as I'm aware, Paul's views have been consistent over time, which would mean it is in fact YAF that is being inconsistent in making this decision.

    "Rep. Paul's refusal to support our nation's military and national security interests border on treason" - Again, this isn't an argument, it's a value judgment. And nations don't have interests, only individuals do.

    "aside from his failure to uphold his oath to the United States Constitution and defend our country and citizens against all enemies, foreign and domestic" - Paul is not against defense. What he is against is American military adventurism and state involvement in international institutions, to which there is no authority under the Constitution.

    "unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11th." - This is an unsupported claim. You might want to read the 9/11 Intelligence Report. Here is some evidence to the contrary of Marks's claim-

    "If the American government is serious about avoiding explosions inside the U.S., then let it stop provoking the feelings of 1,250 million Muslims." - Osama bin Laden, 1997

    "What I seek is what is right for any living being. We demand that our land be liberated from enemies. That our lands be liberated from the Americans." - Osama bin Laden, 1998

    "The call to wage war against America was made because America has spear-headed the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of thousands of its troops to the land of the two Holy Mosques over and above its meddling in its affairs and its politics, and its support of the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control. These are the reasons behind the singling out of America as a target." - Osama bin Laden, 1998

    "When bin Laden appeals for support, he focuses on American military policies that have led to the occupation of Muslim countries. Bin Laden surely hates the US, but it is his public opposition to American military policies that ultimately matters... There is a major debate among Islamists over the morality of suicide attacks, but within Saudi Arabia there is little debate over al-Qaeda's objection to American forces in the region, and over 95 percent of Saudi society repeatedly agrees with Bin Laden on this matter." - Robert Pape, Dying to Win

    "Additionally, Rep. Paul has not condemned the 9/11 "Truther" conspiracy theorists that support him, and he has repeatedly insisted, that the United States not bring justice to those who have murdered thousands of our civilians and soldiers at home and abroad." - So is Marks saying that we are only allowed to ask government-approved questions? I am no "Truther" myself, but I find this extremely backwards coming from a self-proclaimed "conservative." Which government agencies am I allowed to question, and which ones are off limits? How is this claim not arbitrary and dictatorial? And for Marks to condemn certain questions or types of speech is absolutely contradictory to his prior Constitutionality plea.

    "The United States is the world's leader" - no, the US government has no Constitutional authority beyond its borders. The world has no "leader" and I would beg to differ with anyone insisting that it should.

    "Rep. Paul has abandoned this mission, abandoned the United States' citizens, and abandoned the citizens of the world in their quest for their God-given natural rights." - How? By rejecting government intrusions on the very freedom and liberty the government was entrusted to protect? Please.

    "We've already discussed his wrong-headed foreign policy ideas" - No, actually, you haven't.

    "They are rabid, grossly over amped, childish, petulant, stick any negative description here and they are it" - OK, now you've stooped to using Ad Hominems. This is getting ridiculous.

    "Unfortunately, the Paulies don't seem to have been paper trained enough to understand the sort of decorum that is incumbent upon them. They act like the teenagers they are, those with over simplified ideas and not enough experience to know history or reality" - Oh, really? Perhaps you should heed your own advice. And there you go again with unsupported claims and Ad Hominems.

    "The problem is that each and every one of these guys all expressed a fear of being vocal during the event for fear that the roving band of Paulies would begin their rabid denouncements upon hearing anything negative about Paul." - Perhaps this is because their political philosophies are totally inconsistent between political issues and they know they would be called out on it. Unfortunately they refuse to apply their limited understanding of economic reasoning (the science of human choice and action) to foreign policy and international relations.

    "Again, it would not be so bad if Ron Paul had ANY support outside of the CPAC convention." - I wasn't there, and clearly I am a supporter.

    "If Paul was a great favorite all across the land the Paulies attitude might be more understandable." - Way to appeal to popularity. This claim makes no sense.

    Again, let's see you refute Paul's specific arguments using logic and reason instead of attempting to smear him through name-calling and other logical fallacies.

  • In reply to Paulite:

    Wasn't it Socrates who said that if a person cannot argue their point, they resort to personal attacks/name calling? You (Pubius Forum)resorted to name calling in your article, before anyone rebutted the drivel that you printed. What does that reveal about your level of intelligence? Rather than rely on good journalism, facts and information, you let your obvious support for a non-Conservative group of Neocons bring out the worst in you. Your lack of professionalism and limited vocabulary draws uneducated and illiterate readers to flock to your article about an insignificant hate group who list much support for Israel's IDF and many other Zionist groups (Zionism is not a religion; it's a political movement that only started a little over 100 yrs. ago). They are pro-war and pro-Israel, but do not care if our American soldiers have to die because of their groups-like PNAC(Project for a New American Century). PNAC led us to war in the Middle East, and won't stop until we attack Iran for them. Sorry, the gig is up. The U.S. has been financially drained by these wealthy, elite globalists who buy off our politicians (corruption has infiltrated ALL parties). The Central Bankers, IMF, PNAC, AIPAC, UN, MIT, etc. have stolen TRILLIONS through fraud and corruption, and a lot of it has been done through brainwashing people with fear of terrorists, which are usually a product of our own intelligence agencies. Look at what the posers like Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan, Jim Pence, Michelle Bachmann, etc., do when it comes down to VOTING! They do the opposite of what they supposedly stand for, which is supporting the American people- not spend money to prop up corrupt dictators to oppress people in other countries. What a waste of our money! THAT'S why they are scared to death of Ron Paul- a strict defender of the Constitution, and a true statesman. The whiner below, who complained about losing to Ron Paul two years in a row should get used to losing, because no matter how you and the special interest groups that you bow to(flaky Evangelical Christian hypocrites(pro-life, as long as it's not a Muslim baby which must be killed) and Zionist Jews (who true Torah Jews even call the Synagogue of Satan, because they are murderers, perform ethnic cleansing against Palestinians-whose only sin is not being born Jewish, and their beginnings are NOT religious). The true Jews(in America and Israel)denounce these Zionists as impostors. I happen to be a Christian, but I do not ascribe to Zionism. When I first studied this movement, I was shocked at what I discovered.It all ties in to the Central Bankers and the powerful,greed-driven elite. Watch the documentary 'Money Masters', or better yet, watch Ryan Dawson's 'War by Deception' documentary, on Youtube. Watch the award winning documentary 'Occupation 101' to find out the TRUE history of what is now called Israel, but is actually Palestine. The U.S. evangelicals have been indoctrinated with this Zionist stuff, so they have joined forces to promote hatred towards non-Jews, under the guise of fulfilling the "Rapture", that is actually NOT in the Bible. Look up "Zionist Scofield", or "Scofield Bible" to find out the truth. This is why the U.S. is the ONLY country in the world that condones Israel's war crimes-they've been duped, and now paid off. These facts may be too much for you, Publius. You may go into truth overload before the "cry baby Paulies" get through with you.

    Ron Paul in 2012!! "Because Freedom is Popular"
    Btw, Maybe the YAF should change their name to Young Americans for Fascism, which would better represent their ideals. YAN would work, as well-Young American Neocons.

  • In reply to Sherriv:

    I sure hope you didn't expect anyone to read all that? I got about half way down and found that you practice EXACTLY what you condemn. You are a hypocrite. For instance, where have you ever read anything where I said I support the PNAC or the "Zionists"? Ah, but you leaped right into conspiracy central, didn't you?

    But one thing is sure, Jew haters like you are not welcome here. So peddle your Ahmadinejad-like blather somewhere else. Your sort of final-solution hatred is not wanted.

    Go away scum-bag.

  • In reply to Sherriv:

    It is doubtful that the membership of Young Americans for Fascism have enough capacity for introsepection to see the irony of "purging" (Nazi-Style) someone from their ranks who advocates a different path to building America's relationships around the world. Ron Paul advocates trade and diplomacy. YAF advocates war, and unconstitutional ones at that....

    Apparently if you're not a proponent of coercing others to your point of view then you're not for "freedom." LOL...

  • In reply to conspiracygirl:

    Moron.

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