Matt Belcher: Without a robust public system, the private system cannot survive and flourish…so any private sector success is dependent on the public [infrastructure].
Jeff Berkowitz: Does that sound like what Obama said in 2008-2009
Belcher: ...What did Bruce Rauner accomplish in his two year wrecking of the Illinois economy? Lutheran Services- Gone! Autism Support-Gone! ...
Berkowitz: Rauner didn't take money away from Lutheran General... No... some corrupt people took money and stuffed it into their pockets... ask about [Cook County Assessor Joe] Berrios and his property taxes! And, ask Pritzker- did he come out against Berrios... And, did Speaker Mike Madigan [and his law firm] get benefits...maybe you should look into his finances...
Tonight's City of Chicago edition of Public Affairs features Matt Belcher, Principal attorney (Plaintiff's Workers compensation), Aleksy Belcher (Trial attorneys) and Democratic Party strategist, debating and discussing key issues of the Pritzker v. Rauner contest with show host Berkowitz.
The program airs throughout Chicago at 8:30 pm and midnight on Cable Ch. 21 [CAN TV] [With a potential viewing audience in Chicago of about 1.5 million people, watching on Comcast, RCN, WOW and AT&T].
You can also watch the program in Evanston, twice daily, at 8:30 am and 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 6, starting tonight and airing during the entire coming week .
You can also watch the program later this week in 26 Chicago Metro suburbs, Rockford and Aurora, which have a potential viewing audience of about two million people. Check back at this blog tomorrow for that airing schedule and for a supplement to the partial show transcript, included below.
Topics for tonight's show include Who creates wealth- Government or free markets? Are disrupters valued by society? Rauner v Pritzker as a contest between Order and Disorder? Who got the 39 billion dollars per year that was spent in Fiscal 2016 and Fiscal 2017? The people of Illinois in the form of government services? Rauner? Speaker Madigan? Senate President Cullerton? Joe Berrios? Somebody else? A moral framework for a progressive income tax?
Matt Belcher: Without a robust public system, the private system cannot survive and flourish…that means if we have good public infrastructure, schools, regulations, courthouses, that allows the private sector to thrive and survive…so any private sector success is dependent on the public.
Jeff Berkowitz: Does that sound like what Obama said in 2008-2009
Matt Belcher: No, he said hope.
Berkowitz: No…remember Obama said, “You didn’t do this. You private employers, you didn’t build that business-
Berkowitz: Obama said, “You didn’t do this. We, government, helped you. We did it. And, you shouldn’t have this idea that because you are free enterprise and you provide jobs—if you are Amazon, Microsoft, Verizon, you didn’t do it. I, Claudius, no—I Barack Obama, I did it. Is that kind of what Obama said. He said, “The Government is here. We are your friends. We made it possible for Amazon, for Microsoft, without us, you’re nothing.” Did I get it right? Is that what Barack Obama said?
Belcher: No, you took the opposing point of view.
Berkowitz: I thought Obama said that.
Belcher: You didn’t properly articulate what was said. But, it is the same sort of idea.
Berkowitz: It is.
Belcher: But, I can tell by the way you are framing it that you don’t subscribe to the notion…
Berkowitz: I think Obama kind of misses the point, but I will tell you—your point is a good one…but what you need here is balance…
Belcher: No, but the more you earn from the public, the more you owe back to the public. This is what creates the moral framework for a progressive income tax.
Berkowitz: Before we get to the progressive income tax…what a lot of people don’t realize, the UChicago economics department understood, The Chicago School of [Economics] thought- there was a guy by the name of Ronald Coase, a UChicago Professor who taught at UChicago and got the Nobel Prize, and he said "You have to have institutions when you have markets, you need courts to resolve matters." So my point to you is that Milton Friedman and the Chicago School of Economics types are not anarchists. They are not saying there shouldn’t be any government, and Coase understood these institutional frameworks are important for any society. If you want to have a free market, that’s fine. But, when there’s a dispute-- And, Matt, you are actually in court, so you understand that in the real world, the judicial system is important to help a free market work. And, there are some things a free market can’t provide-- like police, a national defense…
Berkowitz: …So, if you are saying, in order for free markets to do well, you also have to have a government infrastructure surrounding those free markets? Well, then, AGREED.
Trial attorney Matt Belcher: ...Speaker Madigan is not going to be on the Statewide ballot. People are going to view Governor Rauner as the candidate of disorder. When corporations talk about disrupters-
Berkowitz: We like disrupters- sometimes... You hit on an important thing. Disrupters have dominated the economy now for twenty years [or maybe 40, since Microsoft displaced IBM] and we like it, we like the disrupters because they are Amazon and they create jobs; they are Microsoft, they provide jobs...Facebook, they provide jobs, Google, they provide jobs; All are disrupters.
Matt Belcher: But, Rauner provided no jobs.
Jeff Berkowitz: Yes, he is not necessarily a disrupter.
Belcher: He presented himself-
Berkowitz: Rauner is a disrupter wannabe!
Belcher: He presented himself as a disruptive force- Shake-up Springfield.
Berkowitz: Right, you got that right.
Belcher: And, his business plan turned out to be a failure.
Berkowitz: He couldn't do it. Gov. Rauner couldn't shake up Springfield. He could not change Springfield.
Belcher: He is a failure. So, he is not disruptive.
Berkowitz: That's why Jeanne Ives [almost won] and got 49% of the vote. You agree with that? Right?
Trial Attorney Matt Belcher [Aleksy Belcher]: Correct. Disorder. Rauner is the candidate of chaos and disorder, with no positive end result.
Berkowitz: Well, he is the candidate who took on Mike Madigan and he couldn't beat him. So, there was a stalemate for two years and then what happened?
Belcher: He failed. He is a failed Governor.
Berkowitz: But, wait a second. I know you want to make that point.You can call him failed. But, let's get to what's important.
Belcher: Just tell me! Really fast- What did Bruce Rauner accomplish in his two year wrecking of the economy of Illinois? Lutheran Services- Gone! Autism Support-Gone! People laid off- poor outlook for-
Berkowitz: No, they are not gone. Again, we spent $39 billion a year [in Fiscal 2016 and Fiscal 2017]. And, you agreed to that, so all these people- if they were laid off, if Lutheran Services is gone---then somebody got the money. Find out who got the money! Who got the money?
Berkowitz: Rauner didn't take money away from Lutheran General Services. No, somebody else, some corrupt people took money and stuffed it into their pockets. I mean, ask about [Cook County Assessor Joe] Berrios and his property taxes! And, ask Pritzker- did he come out against Berrios? No, he didn't! And, did Speaker Mike Madigan [and his law firm] get legal fees and benefits-- because he is now on the run! And, Speaker Madigan got it, well, then, maybe you should look into his finances.
Belcher: You are changing the subject.
Berkowitz: Well, it's an important subject.
Belcher: It's not going to be a factor in the election.
Berkowitz: So, what does [the Fall IL gubernatorial election] come down to ?
Belcher: Disorder v. Order.
Berkowitz: ...You think the common person understands that? I am helping you. I think you need to make it a little bit more understandable.
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