Samardzija trade market heating up, Cubs interested in Sale?

Samardzija trade market heating up, Cubs interested in Sale?

The Cubs are looking for pitching.

That is why it may still surprise most that Jeff Samardzija will be made available this winter. The factor to consider here is the Cubs want young, controlled pitching. Samardzija is still under the Cubs control for a couple more years. Yet, the Cubs want to lock their younger talent up even longer a la Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo.

I told you back at the July trading deadline the Cubs were taking calls on their de facto ace. The price was sky high at the time. The Cubs still wanted to work on securing “Shark” in a long-term deal.

The two sides apparently have gotten further apart, and I hear the Samardzija trade market is heating up already. The Blue Jays, Royals, DBacks, Pirates, and Nationals have all expressed their interest. One possibility could have the Cubs packaging a prospect with Shark to get another team’s coveted young pitcher. Think of an Archie Bradley type from Arizona as a possibility.

Speaking of young, controlled pitching, I’m told the Cubs plan on placing a call across town to Rick Hahn. They want to see if the White Sox are entertaining any thoughts of dealing Chris Sale. I would file this in the never going to happen drawer but, you cant blame them for making the call.

The Sox want to build around their young pitching. They would also likely list the Cubs as the last team they would make such a daring move with. Sale is signed through 2019 with a final year of $13.5 mil. That is the type of control the Cubs are looking for.

I’m told any deal involving Sale would have to include names like Javy Baez and Jorge Soler to start. It is possible the Cubs could get more in the way of ammunition from a Samardzija deal. When it comes to a pitcher like Sale you have to wonder if he is destined for TJS with his violent delivery. However, one scout told me his arm action is surprisingly clean for his arm slot.

Again, obtaining a Sale type is pie in the sky. However, it does give you an idea of what the Cubs are trying to accomplish this offseason.

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  • Anything is possible, but essentially this is getting to the point that the Cubs don't have a core, and Epstein is simply running a meat market. Jeff said he didn't want to sign an extension a season ago, so, sure, put him on the block for pieces of a puzzle of a 2019 team.

    Based on a Yahoo! Finance story on valuations of baseball teams, Ricketts already has $500 million in unrealized appreciation over the purchase price of about $850 million, without basically doing a darn thing. That is, of course, if anyone can believe anything on Yahoo! Finance (other than the stock market ticker).

    On Sale, I guess it is "you don't get unless you ask," but as you point out, it isn't likely. The Sox might want to unload a couple of outfielders, though.

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    In reply to jack:

    Bloomberg just had a story that placed the Cubs at #5 as far as most valuable team in baseball. They had a value of $1.3B. So there's your $500M that you are looking for....

  • I would be thrilled with a deal with any of those teams, especially the Dbacks. I think the Royals and Pirates may be in a position where they will overpay. They are 1 SP a way from making it.

  • How significant of a prospect would have to be paired with Shark to get someone like Bradley? It wouldn't take one of the big 4 would it?

  • "the Cubs packaging a prospect with Shark to get another team’s coveted young pitcher. Think of an Archie Bradley type from Arizona as a possibility."

    Woah. You're saying Shark + a prospect just to get one player? Yikes.

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    It won't be a two for one but Bradley would the major piece coming back. So it could be a few other minor pieces.

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    Likely expanded deal.

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    I don't want Chris Sale. He's a great pitcher but it is just a matter of time before his arm falls off with his delivery.

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    I really like Pittsburgh's young pitchers coming up through the minors, and they are certainly in "WIN NOW" mode. I like some of their hitters too.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Yeah Pitt is loaded, never have seen them be really aggressive yet.

  • How have the sides gotten further apart? Does Jeff not realize that he underwhelmed at the end of last season?

  • In reply to Matt Mosconi:

    You would think. Maybe they come back to table?

  • In reply to Matt Mosconi:

    I wonder if Shark is done w/ the Cubs and is forcing the issue w/ increased demands, assuming that's the case.

  • In reply to Good Captain:

    Heard he was asking for for a full no trade and over 8 figures a year.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Power to him if he can secure it but I think he's basing that on next year's hypothetical performance which the Cubs will not do IMO. Furthermore, the NTC appears to me at least to be a new wrinkle in the negotiations, which if true suggest Team Shark is pushing out to sea as opposed to coming into port.

  • I think Jeff & his agent saw Lincecum deal....

    Of the mentioned teams, we'd be looking at Bradley, Zimmer, Sanchez, Taillon- I'd assume? Still can't see Zona parting with Bradley.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Believe or not I like what the Bluejays, Pirates or Royals would have to offer over the Dback.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Even if they offered Bradley and Michael Perez? Don't really see them trading Bradley but you never know

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    That was just crazy.

  • Tom, have you heard that the Lincecum made a challenging negotiation that much harder?

    Kevin, what do you think reasonable packages might look like from PIT, TOR, and KC?

    Comparatively, Shark should have as much value on the mkt as Garza did when we initially dealt for him. On the one hand , Garza was more accomplished with playoff experience under his belt but the overall mkt is assigning more value to players in Shark's situation. What I me a by that is FA is becoming less and less a viable route to acquire impact SP and teams are increasingly stingy with all of their cost-controlled talent. I'd expect a nice haul with an emphasis kn quality over quantity.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I think linecum does make things harder for Negotiation.

    As for the packages I have done up a list of prospect for Tom from those teams and he will put them up by Monday.

  • Cool, Kevin, you're a great resource for us "sickos".

    All kidding aside , there should be an event next season in conjunction with a game for some of the regulars on the chicago now blogs.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I am usually pretty busy during the season. I do scouting of amateur for my site and we do showcases and tournaments.

  • As far as the packages, I'd insist on Gose as a supplemental piece in any deal with TOR. I know he struggled mightily last yr but he's an absolute tool shed. Speed-check, LHed-check, power potential-check, elite defender potential w an absolute rocket for an arm-check. Something including a mix of he, Stroman, + might work. I have to think Sanchez might be off limits- reports on him keep getting better.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    There are a few options for a TOR pitchers in a few organizations.

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    So what if the Orioles, desperate for SP and another playoff run, centered a package around Dylan Bundy. Would you do it?

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I would but they don't have much else. So I might look at some other teams besides them. I like what the Jays, Pirates and Royals have to offer. I also like some of the pieces the Nationals have.

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