Illinois Concealed Carry: Perhaps It Isn't Such A Bad Idea

It pains me to agree with the NRA but I've got to support the passage of concealed carry in the state of Illinois.

According to Chicago Tribune reporter Peter Nickeas' Twitter feed, the first ten days of March brought 51 people shot city wide with 9 of those shootings being fatal.

It doesn't take a statistician to know that those aren't encouraging numbers going into the warm weather months.

While Mayor Emanuel may have delivered on his campaign promise to put over 1,000 more police officers on the streets, backlogs in Englewood and shutting down a part of Clark Street this past weekend clearly underscore the need for additional personnel.

Clearly the Chicago Police Department has their hands full right now.

Criminals who are emboldened by the lack of officers and the litigious nature of our society have only just begun to run roughshod over those of us who aren't predators.  With the resources they have, I feel the police are doing a good job.

But make no mistake; they aren't there to protect you.

With these jokers taking potshots at uniformed police officers they can barely protect themselves---and they're armed.

A few days before Christmas and on the same day as Deshawn Moody's killing, one of my neighbors was robbed in front of our home.  It was the second such robbery in the past 3 years.

He wisely did what anyone of us would have done in his situation.  He gave up the money.

Aside from the obvious, what bothers me about this crime is that I was probably only a few minutes ahead of him coming in the door.

He drove and I walk.

He saw the four assholes loitering near the corner of our building but didn't listen to his inner voice and circle until they were gone.  I can only imagine if he had, I would have been their victim.

What could I have done against four young men?  Where could I have run to on my street?  Screaming would have meant a possible bullet.  What would have been my best defense?

So as our unseasonably warm winter gives way to an unseasonably warm spring, many law abiding citizens will have to make a choice to run afoul of the law or properly defend themselves.

I hate guns.  I hate the destruction they leave behind.  I hate that people have poor conflict resolution skills and shoot first and ask questions later.

I hate that I'm forced to even weigh the consequences of making such a choice.

Hopefully the State of Illinois will make it easy on me one day where I won't have to risk jail or being shot to death.

A gun is no guarantee, but with proper training the playing field can be leveled.

For now, I just have my FOID card and a prayer.

 

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    If you have any questions about the CWP law or training contact www.e2c.us or 1-866-371-6111 and the Instructors at Equip 2 Conceal will be happy to help you.

  • In reply to hammerheadfl:

    Thank you for the information!

  • it was never a bad idea. it is in the constitution. Let the people have the option. It is a huge misnomer that people will run into the street and shoot each other if this were to happen. Did you know that Illinois is the only state to not a have a concealed law on the books?

  • Evan,
    I'm not a strict constitutionalist and would feel much differently if the police were given the resources they desperately need. But I'm a realist .

  • Why do you feel that we need concealed carry? Wouldn't it be just as, if not more, effective to carry a firearm? As far as I know there is nothing wrong with carrying a holstered firearm just like a police officer. If you want to carry a firearm, you have the right to do so legally. But I don't see what advantage a concealed firearm does for you. And really, no matter where you carry it, if there are four guys who surround you who are likely carrying firearms themselves, your firearm isn't going to help you anyway unless you believe that you will suddenly be a gun-fu master like in the movies.

  • In reply to Fuegofan:

    Fuegofan,
    Read 7thCircuitStud's comments.

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    In reply to Fuegofan:

    First of all, open carry is very ILLEGAL in Illinois.

    But there are a lot of reasons to carry concealed over openly carrying. Open carry draws attention, some good some bad... if a bad guy sees you are carrying, is he going to avoid you or is he gonna sneak up on you and try to take you, the obvious danger to him, out of the equation first? Not mention open carry makes your firearm an easy target for theft. There will always be people who are uncomfortable around firearms, open carry has the potential to make those people very nervous where if you were carrying concealed they wouldn't know the difference. The biggest advantage of concealed carry is when a bad guy is picking a target he has no way of knowing who is or isn't armed. All he can do is hope... unless of course it's in Illinois where citizens aren't aloud to carry for personal defense, It's illegal because you know, that stops the bad guys from carrying a as well, they surely won't want to break the law!

    Carrying a gun doesn't mean your going to get in a gun fight with every wrong do'er you come across. I keep a .40 caliber semi-automatic handgun loaded up with hollow points next to my bed, if someone breaks into my house and takes my tv, I'll quietly stay up stairs and call the police and let them take what they are going to take. If they come upstairs towards me or my wife while posing a physical threat i will shoot them dead where they stand. If 4 guys wanted my wallet, fine take it. Hell if 1 guy is trying to take my wallet I'll take it out and toss is aside, away from me, and remove myself from the situation as they go to get it, I'm not willing to kill or be killed over so trivial as a wallet.

    Here's an interesting tidbit, the Illinois State Police website said "many attacks on women are not sexually motivated, and are designed to degrade and humiliate." Their advise to ward off a would be rapist.... tell them your pregnant, tell them you have an STD, and if those fail..... "putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results"

    Do you think it's a coincidence that Illinois is also the ONLY state in the United States that does not allow legally carrying a concealed weapon? (Or a not concealed weapon for that matter)

    What makes it worse is they offer permits that allow money transferring services, like armored truck employees, to openly carry a loaded gun. In Illinois, a person defending cooperate money has more rights than a person defending the well being of them self or their family if they leave their home.

    When Illinois became the only state to not allow concealed carry they removed their brilliant advise from their website.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20110426035349/http:/www.isp.state.il.us/crime/saconfronted.cfm

  • In reply to Fuegofan:

    Open carry, while allowed in many States, is not allowed in Illinois. No type of firearm carry is allowed in Illinois. So-called "Citizens" in Illinois are not even allowed to wear body armor. We are not allowed to have Tasers or most other non-lethal forms of self defense. We must be kept at all times available as prey for our dear criminals. Though we are allowed to keep a gun in our home, we are not allowed to have a laser sight on it - that's right - something that will make the gun more accurate and therefore safer, is not allowed here. I'm surprised our dear ILLinois Leaders allow us to have any type of sights on our guns at all (just following the logic of banning laser sights to its ultimate conclusion). This State is sick.

    As for the idea of Open Carry - even where legal, most people do not think it is a good idea. It makes it clear to the criminals who to shoot first in a bank robbery or convenience store holdup type situation, and it also opens the possibility of having your gun snatched. When armed it's best to be discreet.

    All the best,

    .45StayAlive

  • Another alternative is to move to somewhere far outside Chicago, where there aren't that many people of the type who committed the robbery.

  • In reply to mikep621:

    Mike,
    The bad people are everywhere. Ask the good folks who survive school and workplace shootings. Additonally, I shouldn't have to move to be safe. I love this city.

  • In reply to Woodlawn Wonder:

    I agree one shouldn't have to move to be safe, and I used to love the city too.

    BUT - My (and more importantly, my Mother's) stuff got stolen on a REGULAR basis while we lived in Chatham (and she got robbed at gunpoint in front of our house).

    In the 4 years my Black azz has lived out near Naperville - NOT ONE THING has been stolen, nor do I seem to even have any worry about being robbed.

    I will N E V E R move back into "the City" for A N Y reason.

  • Are you for real? No, it is NOT legal to openly carry a firearm. In the grand state of Illinois, you may not carry a firearm in ANY way, open or concealed.

    And carrying open may be a bad idea. It tells the bad guys who to shoot first so that they can then commit their crimes with impunity. Furthermore, concealed carry acts as a deterrent, because the criminals just don't KNOW who is carrying. That makes the proposition of committing crime against an unknown victim much more risky, and less tempting.

  • In reply to 7thCircuitStud:

    Sorry, I was unaware that hunting was banned in this state.

    It's true, I was unaware of 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(10) which states in pertinent part: "(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly: (10) Carries or possesses on or about his person, upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (10) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
    (i) are broken down in a non-functioning state; or
    (ii) are not immediately accessible; or
    (iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card.

    I still disagree with your assumptions about the effect that open or concealed carrying would have. I remember a column which recounted a story where someone was hit or pushed and their iPhone stolen from the individual and the thief ran. I sincerely hope than no one would think of actually attempting to shoot the thief for something like this, but if carrying guns were legal, I can see someone doing just that with tragic consequences when they miss and hit someone innocent.

  • In reply to Fuegofan:

    Pushing someone and stealing their iphone is not the type of attack you shoot someone for, and that's one of the main points concealed carry training is designed to teach. the courses are not about HOW to shoot someone, they are about WHEN lethal force is appropriate. Then again, if someone in Chicago wants to steal your iphone, they usually don't just push you; they will more than likely threaten you with a weapon. This is unfortunate, but it is increasingly common that the criminals who ARE currently carrying weapons and DON'T have concealed carry training are more than happy to shoot you for your phone, your shoes, or just to make their bones with the local gang. Their lack of human decency is what makes them a threat; they live in a world where other's lives count for little. Only the potential threat of losing their own deters them.

  • In reply to Fuegofan:

    Really? You're going to make up something that hasn't happened and use it as a justification to ban carry?

    Try this on for size: of all unjustified civilian shootings, concealed carriers are responsible for a whopping 1%. And concealed carry permit holders are responsible for an infinitesimal proportion of violent crime.

    Actual facts--i.e., things that have really happened and are not just machinations of your mind--have proven that concealed carriers are a remarkably law-abiding group, because they realize the responsibilities and risks of what they do, and know that even the slightest misstep could cost them their right to carry.

  • Anytime I go to Chicago I take a good luck charm with me anyhow.
    I have found that most people against CC have one thing in common, they have never been in a situation where they NEEDED a gun.

    I have had a couple guys breaking into my bedroom window at 2am. You have NO idea what they are armed with, and their intentions don’t look good, and your family & you could end up DEAD.
    Believe me you have no idea how grateful you are to have that gun and be able to defend your family & yourself until it happens.
    (BTW I didn’t shoot anyone.)

    I hope the Governor doesn’t leave us defenseless against criminals.
    (Or should I say the Mayor of Chicago, since it seems like he runs the whole state!)

  • BTW I >DO< have a concealed carry license from another state, so at least when I travel I can defend myself.

  • One of THE most idiotic posts in quite a while.

    Let everyone carry a concealed weapon because that will make things better. Horse hockey.

    #1 - I'd love to see you go to the next FOP meeting and tell the Chicago police officers that they aren't protecting the citizens of the city.
    #2 - Try asking the police in this city if they want more of less guns in the city?
    #3 - Think back to all of the Western movies that you've seen. Notice something in common? When towns were intimidated by local gangs, the police required everyone to turn in their guns.

    Moronic.

  • In reply to wallyobrien:

    Wally,
    The police are doing an excellent job but at their current levels they are here to simply maintain order, not to protect us.

    BTW, all the cops I personally know are for law abding people having guns.

    Fondest wishes for an uneventful spring & summer.

  • In reply to wallyobrien:

    1. whether they think they are protecting us or not, the obvious reality is that they can only respond, not prevent.
    2. I'm not worried about whether they want more guns or not- there are already more than enough out there, and we currently have no protection against them. You are repeating the same senseless argument that denying responsible, trained citizens the right to equal protective force somehow curtails the attacks ALREADY being commited on a regular basis by people ALREADY in possession of illegal weapons.
    3. Not that I would base such decisions on Hollywood movie scripts over the tried and true experiences of the other 49 states, but most of the Western movies I have seen did NOT involve the sheriff collecting people's guns. Actually, they usually involved the townspeople gathering their courage and their guns and going to the aid of the outnumbered good guys.

  • In reply to wallyobrien:

    By the way, Chicago just experienced 8 shootings in 9 hours, and Texas just suffered 4 stabbings by an individual carrying a pair of knives. Proof enough that gun bans don't stop shootings, and that the gun is not the source of the evil, the person is. If they are intent on causing harm, they will find a weapon to do it with.

  • In reply to stardust01:

    oops, I meant to say Ohio, not Texas

  • In reply to wallyobrien:

    Cop do not carry guns to protect us, they carry guns to protect them selves.
    Now you want to compare our right of self protection to that of Hollywood westerns, lets keep right up with Hollywood and carry silver bullets to kill werewolves, your response was just as idiotic,
    Can you or are you able to process the difference between reality and fantasy.

  • In reply to wallyobrien:

    @Wally You are actually basing a decision on movie fantasy?!?
    Maybe this example of REALITY will help...

    GUN TOWN USA
    In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

    http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

  • 1. The police come after you are dead.
    2. You have the moral and legal right to defend yourself if threatened.
    3. The crime rate in concealed carry states is lower.
    4. I grew up in Chicago and have lived there always but I now realize that while the lakefront and A few neighborhoods are nice, much of the city is a wasteland and that if you don't live near the lake you might as well live in Kansas.
    5. The state is broke and corrupt. The County of Cook is broke and corrupt. The city is broke and corrupt. Those thing can' t be changed because there is no opposition to single party rule. Anyone with the where with all should probably move. Living in Cook County making $100,000 per year, your total federal, state and local taxes are close to $54,000 per year. Remember, politicians are bottom feeders. They spend other people's money for a living. If they could not do that they would have to find another line of work. Remember, if folks will steal Tide detergent to resell, those same folks will probably shoot you coming home from the grocery store and it is going to get worse. If you follow crime reporting in Chicago, please notice that many of the offenders have no family, no education and no job. They are desperate and while that is understandable everyone should consider how to protect themselves. Sad but true.

  • Please contact your state reps and ask them to support pro-carry legislation. I enjoyed the right to carry in my home state of Virginia since 1994, and when we had the opportunity to move to the midwest I rejected an offer in Chicago because of the high tax, poor schools, and the fact that I would have had to sell all my handguns. I visit Chicago often, and carry a Kimber pepper-spray blaster and a Benchmade Griptillian folding knife. Good enough for a strongarm robbery, but if a criminal robs me with a firearm I am defenseless, just like the rest of the sheeple in Chicagoland.

  • To Wally (and others who see no sense in concealed carry)::

    In 2010 Chicago had a murder rate 19 times higher than El Paso, Texas. That is a population adjusted figure as all "rates" are. Washington DC had twenty seven times more murders than El Paso. By the way, in Texas every responsible adult citizen can carry a concealed handgun as they go about their day.

  • More guns? Dumbest idea ever.

    People are too volatile. More arguments and road-rage incidents will end in shoot-outs. More people will randomly shoot their own feet in clubs. More barking and lawn-peeing dogs gunned-down.

    And who of us will even have the balls to draw on, say, an attempted robber and engage in gun battle like trained policemen do?

    This is like saying "There's fire? Let's add more fire!"

  • In reply to Dan Bradley:

    So where are the news stories to back up these "facts" from all the other states that have passed concealed carry?

    Typical liberal BS. Maybe we should require permits for free speech and the rest of the bill of rights too.

    What do you call an unarmed citizen?

    A subject.

  • In reply to lrdvdr41:

    Take a look at Orlando news sometime and you will see many, very very many, gunshot deaths inspired by road rage, drunks in bars and just plain angry family members. Oh, and let's not forget the numerous children who shoot themselves or a playmate,, due to an unsecured gun owned by a "responsible gun owner." People are angry these days and most should not be carrying; it is easy to lose control.

  • In reply to maddie:

    @Maddie You ARE right not everyone would use a gun responsibly. Only problem is that this ALSO applies to the police! Let alone the criminals.
    That is why when a drunk blows off his fingers with a M80, then NO ONE is allowed fireworks. People trying to text while driving & killing people, ok now we have laws for EVERYONE because of those idiots.
    Illinois has recently passed laws for back seat seatbelts, showing ID for buying drain cleaner, and are even now trying to pass a law to ban the use of cell phones when passing an accident...even as the house has passed a complete ban on using cellphones without a handsfree device.

    There are plenty of people doing stupid stuff, so how many laws do you want to have regulating your life, because someone else is an idiot?
    BTW if you looked at my GUN TOWN USA link you will see that more guns does NOT necessarily mean more shootings.

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    In reply to lrdvdr41:

    "What do you call an unarmed citizen?

    A subject."

    I think you meant a victim

  • In reply to Dan Bradley:

    Then why does Chicago have a murder rate 19 times higher than places like El Paso that have concealed carry? Eh? Your idea that extreme gun control is safer is getting thousands of people murdered. Criminals have free reign in "gun free zones" knowing their victims are defenseless. And it is your fault Dan.

  • I understand that, there are people who just don't grasp the concept of the peoples right to defend themselves.
    These are the ones who don't care about your safety and thumb their noses at our constitution
    I am talking mainly about:
    Rep. Edward Acevedo; Rep. Ann Williams; Rep. Greg Harris; Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie; Rep. Karen May; Rep. Carol Sente;Rep. Deborah Mell (Blago’s sister-in-law); and Rep. Marlow Colvin.

    I Invite you to make a though investigation into the following. before 2010, How many shooting deaths In Chicago ? How many home invasions.
    In the shooting deaths how many of the victims were armed? In the home invasions, how many homes were armed?

    Then after the McDonald Vs Illinois ruling, and households could then purchase a handgun for protection. what was the percentage rate drop.?

    When The Ex Mayor Daley was in office, how many people were murdered in their own homes after calling 911?
    I estimate 60 per year thats 1320 over 22 years in office, do you find this acceptable?

    Please investigate and then take your anti guns bills before the House. if you can with a clear conscious!

    Be advised that you will become responsible for death's because of Bills that you have written and/ or supported
    have denied a citizen their lawful right of personal protection and their moral God given right of self preservation.

    Then you should be held accountable for aiding and abetting criminals in their perpetuation's of crime
    If the Ex Mayor Daley had the audacity to try and sue gun manufacturers because of drive by shootings in his city
    then we as a people have the same right to sue any politician who denies us our Lawful rights and helps cause the death of a loved one
    I do want to thank Reps, Colvin. Williams and Mell for publishing their Email addresses to allow feed back from the people and I question why Acevedo didn't
    Vote no on HB 1294
    Bill Matteson
    Harvard IL

  • If any of you are ever mugged, you can think fools like this wallyobrian guy. Citizens get the government they deserve, and he's a perfect example of why things are the way they are in Chicago.

    Academic Studies by people such as Criminology Professor Gary Kleck of Florida State University and Professor John Lott, a former Economics Professor at the University of Chicago, using Department of Justice databases show overwhelmingly that when Concealed Carry laws are passed, violent crime drops by double digit percentage points and stays down. By capita, police offers are convicted of crimes more often than CCW holders.

    But folks like this wallyobrian guy just know it all...

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