Fire protect 11 ahead of Expansion Draft

Trading Sean Johnson left the Fire with 12 contracted players eligible for Tuesday's Expansion Draft. All MLS clubs could protect 11 players from selection by Atlanta or Minnesota, and the Fire's eleven are:

Accam, Alvarez, Campbell, de Leeuw, Goossens, Kappelhof, Lampson, Meira, Polster, Solignac, Vincent

Unprotected:

Arshakyan, Cocis, Gehrig, Harrington, LaBrocca, McLain, Morrell, Stephens, Ramos, Tham

Homegrown Players Collin Fernandez, Patrick Doody, Drew Conner, and Joey Calistri were exempt from eligibility.

Luis Solignac's option was declined but the Fire protected his rights. David Arshakyan, who is under contract, was left unprotected as was Michael Harrington.

 

Filed under: 2016 Post Season

Tags: Chicago Fire

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  • Looks to be as expected. I would have maybe protected Cocis over Lampson but thats because i think lampson is the worst player ive seen play for the Fire.

    I thought some of the other teams left some quality players unprotected (Barnetta and Ivanschitz for example). Were you surprised by anyone in particular that was left available GR? Who do you think will be taken first?

  • In reply to AJties:

    I'm going with Paolo Wanchope and Matt Fondy for worst players I've seen with the Fire.

  • In reply to Tweaky:

    Yeah, I would add a few to that list ahead of Lampson... MacDonald, Marmol, Puppo, Nazarit... OMG the list could be endless.

  • In reply to Modibo:

    I was contemplating a few of those names as well.

  • In reply to AJties:

    Lampson is not even the worst GK the Fire have ever had: Curtis Spiteri and Andrew Dykstra were far worse than Lampson.

    My all-time worst Fire player was Orlando Perez. Very weak technical skills and zero hustle.

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    In reply to AJties:

    Yea, a lot of good players on the list. I was really surprised by some of the names on Earthquake's list including Quincy, Goodson, Peloci and others. That and Philly leaving Davies and Edu off...like you said, lots of quality to choose from.

  • Im surprised they are not communicating results as the expansion draft is happening. No live stream, no radio/live podcast, not even live tweets? This is making me think that Garber has all the GMs on a Go To Meeting call in an office where the calendar still shows November...missed marketing opportunity imo. There HAS to be fans in Atlanta and Minnesota that would be interested in this info while it's happening.

  • In reply to AJties:

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/

  • In reply to jimmyblackcloud:

    Yeah i was jumping the gun yesterday and read the schedule wrong... i watched it, thanks though!

  • I'm an idiot, definitely read the schedule wrong. My bad folks.

  • In reply to AJties:

    Sorry, just saw this comment.

  • Does protecting Solignac signal a desire to resign him or a desire to keep his rights for trading later? I hope it means they want to resign him. I liked his play. With better service from the center midfield, he could have a good year.

  • Interesting to see that Montreal left Harry Shipp unprotected.

    Some fans are still critical of tradng Shipp away, but Montreal seems to have come to the same conclusion that the Fire did.

  • In reply to John Andre:

    The people who made that decision about Shipp are the same people that felt Lampson was better than Johnson. They also saw Arshakyan play and still signed him. They also looked at Harrington and said "He should start a lot of games for us."

    The Shipp situation is a little different situation. At one club he was a fan favorite, a should have been clear starter, and a genuine fan of the club. The other team was Montreal.

    We still haven't replaced Shipp. Shipp would have been a clear starter on this team. He should not have been traded, especially if there is no player there to replace him. It sounds very similar to the situation that we are currently in with Sean. Protecting Matt Lampson is scary. If we go into the season with Lampson as our starter, we will set the record for fewest points in a season. He is not even a quality backup keeper.

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    In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    Absolutely all of this is on point.

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    In reply to John Andre:

    By "MTL came to the same conclusion as CF97" you mean they desperately needed to dump salary right? The only difference between MTLs move and CF97s is that MTL was smart enough to have other CAMs... Well, I guess so did CF97 technically but our coach is simply not savvy enough to play him... I'd take Shipp back in a heartbeat.

  • I feel like the Fire should resign Shipp. Didi he even play during the playoffs. Fire need to bring back players that have heart for the team like Shipp and Guzan

  • In reply to Firefan5819:

    Shipp came on during overtime against toronto in that last match. I didn't watch any other games, so I don't know if they used him at any other time during the playoffs

  • In reply to edubs:

    Shipp's playing time with Montreal decreased as the season went on. He started some games, eventually became a bench player, and wound up as an afterthought.

    The notion that Shipp was not able to display his talent with the Fire because the team around him was weak was put to rest this season. He went to a team with better players and actually played less than he did in Chicago.

    I'm not that surprised that Montreal did not protect him,.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    That's not the point I am trying to make with Shipp. I don't think he is some world beater. He is far from it. Is he a good player? Yes. Is he a Chicago kid? Yes. Did he love the Fire? Yes. Was he one of our best players? Yes. He should have been an every week starter for us. We are a club that is rebuilding and trying to figure out who we are. We were/are in no position to be trading away young American talent. Is Shipp better than Cocis, Stephens, thiam? Shipp should have been with our club for the next 10 years. We're the only rebuilding club that looks for older players.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    I guess that we disagree regarding how good of a player Shipp is. I think that he's an OK player who is good enough to find employment in MLS. And with the league adding 56 new job openings this season, his opportunity increases, so good for him.

    For me, a player isn't more desirable just because he's from Chicago. Make a list of the best players in Fire history. How many were Chicago kids?

    When the Fire had everyone available this season, Cocis, Polster and de Leeuw comprised their best central midfield trio. Shipp would have been a bench player. And that would not have been a terrible thing. I would rather have seen Shipp come off the bench with fresh legs than Stephens or Labrocca. I thought that Paunovic soured on Shipp a bit too soon; it would have been better to have kept Shipp and let him fight for a place in the team than to retain players who were clearly weaker than he is.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    Shipp is not an OK player. Shipp is a great player. The only reason he struggled in Montreal was that he just had a hard time adapting from a team away from home. You can tell in Chicago he settled in quickly worked hard and most importantantly he wanted to be here. Shipp just had a tough time adapting to Montreal.

  • In reply to Ahan Jain:

    No, that's not the only reason he struggled in Montreal. ;-)

  • In reply to Ahan Jain:

    Shipp will be an MLS back-up/squad player for the majority of his career. Nice piece to have, but not a starter.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    I agree with this. He has moments of magic (Red Bulls game in NY), but he cannot defend, he is painfully slow, and he cannot maintain possession against strong defenders (they are all stronger). Again, his foot skills and passing ability are excellent so as a back-up, he s a great role player. If (HUGE IF) he were to significantly improve his defense and somehow improve his speed, he could be a starter but not a star.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    I agree with this assessment on Shipp. I always loved the guy though. He was one of my favorite players. Unfortunately he never achieved the heights of the hype. I also think his popularity was his downfall here. I think the reason the FO moved him was to avoid a Tim Tebow-like situation. Fans screaming for him out of popularity when the team is struggling even though the team doesn't believe he's the answer.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    Shipp should not have been let go. We were a TERRIBLE team going into this season. We "were" rebuilding this team. I was all for it. Play the young guys, see what we have in the club and then look out there for talent. That never happened with this regime. They have never considered the players in the club. Harry Shipp is 24 years old. He was replaced by Goosens (28) and Alvarez (31). How is that part of rebuilding. We have a revolving door for players at this club. We beg for consistency and then are not supposed to be annoyed when we dont get it. Sean was here for 7 years and played with 70 different defensive lineups. We had a young, American player with a decent MLS future, and traded him away for nothing. We hope for great signings that are never going to happen. I dont understand why people are giving Pauno this long leash. He has done absolutely nothing with our club and our team. He has taken all of the fan favorites and moved them out of the club for NOTHING. We have nothing to show for them. After 1 season, there should be improvement. You can't possibly consider 1 more point and improvement. The team is awful. They cant pass, they cant trap, they cant defend, they cant score. They cannot do anything. I was always taught, if you are not better than them technically, you better be better be more fit than them. How many games did we have where we gave up goals at the end of matches because we looked tired? What has Pauno done with this club? 10 games, tops, before he needs to go. If we havent won at least 6 games by June, he needs to go.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    I agree with you IF Pauno was the decision maker regarding trades/acquisitions. I don't think he calls the shots. The guy who needs to go is not in Chicago. New ownership really is the only thing that can save this club. I am totally guessing here, but I don't think MLS cares because MLS believes that no one will want to buy the team until the stadium contract is finished. When that happens then, the team's value will go up because they will be able to freely decide how to develop the club including all revenue streams which means the stadium etc.

  • Not much to say here. Hard to imagine MN or ATL pick up some of the guys on this list.

  • Why would anyone protect Lampson? He can easily be replaced and besides who would want him(besides NR and Pauno)? CF97 laughingstock of MLS...

  • In reply to kaca:

    All the players they left unprotected are MLS bench players or worse. Lampson is fine as a back up keeper, imo. I don't have a big problem with protecting him at a position that's even more thin now that they trade SJ. That said, I prolly would have kept Cocis over him...the rest can go.

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    In reply to Tweaky:

    I would too but when looking at the names available from other teams, I dont think they are too worried about Cosis getting selected. I still expect him back with another 1 year with 2nd year option contract for about a $100k salary.

  • In reply to kaca:

    when you only have 1 keeper on the current roster... you protect him.

  • In reply to edubs:

    I would have protected Patrick McLain before Lampson.

  • In reply to Fuegofan:

    Agreed... but McLain isn't under contract. Makes me wonder if they aren't planning on bringing him back. Maybe they are just renegotiating or maybe he doesn't fit into their plans anymore.

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    So what are peoples thoughts on this if it were to happen:
    https://twitter.com/VillasArmy/status/808150997747060737
    (posted previously by Keith Woller).
    Not very familiar with him but seems like a Liga MX legend. However, does it really make sense to trade away a fringe USMNT player for a MXNT fringe player who is 10 years older and will probably command a similar if not heftier salary? You can argue its to bring in more Hispanic fans but they are loosing a lot of fans by trading away the milkman as well.

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    Sounds old and expensive. Might as well bring back Jorge Campos. He's only 50... Seriously though I don't understand NRs aversion to trading for players from other MLS teams that we already know can perform in this league. I'd be making a run at McMath or Irwin.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    I don't believe Munoz is in play here....for both of those reasons.

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    In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    Thanks for the response GR, your coverage of the Fire and open dialogue with fans is always appreciated.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    I was already thinking this before the expansion draft... but I was surprised that Toronto left Clint Irwin open. I was thinking that if they left him unprotected maybe we could pick him up from Toronto... I was also surprised that Atlanta grabbed 2 Keepers in this Expansion draft.

    If they are truly aiming to get Brad Guzan, then it seems like they are looking to trade Irwin or Kann. Thats a lot of Keeper talent they have to be 3rd string. Maybe the Fire are in talks with them for one of those keepers?

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    In reply to edubs:

    I'd be ok with Irwin (or McMath). NR does not seem to be capable of trading for actual MLS players though, just TAM/GAM. Also, word has it that there are several MLS teams trying to get Irwin from ATL already including TFC trying to buy him back. I doubt this goes down. That said it would make takin less money for SJ make a bit more sense.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    TFC trying to get Irwin back for TAM/GAM makes sense. I think they hang on to him until the Guzan deal is finished or as insurance in case it falls through. Maybe NR knows Guzan does not want to play in Atlanta and will force the league to make Atlanta and Minnesota let go of their allocation order spots.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    Well, one thing seems pretty clear to me... Atlanta appears to be buying and selling keepers as assets. You don't need that much talent in GK on your bench.... Especially if they land Guzan.

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    In reply to edubs:

    Agreed. That ATL front office sure is ambitious and they've made some crafty moves so far. It must be nice to have ownership with deep pockets that actually seem to care.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    We will never know that feeling.

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    In reply to DerSting:

    Hope = expectations = disappointment. I'd take a team sale over a Keane-money player 100 out of 100 times.

  • In reply to Joe Brancato:

    If your an expansion side the most importantly thing is too have sucess in your first year to help draw attention and start building a fan base around the team. The Fires year did exactly that and they then had more sucess down the road.

  • Clint Irwin traded back to TFC for Mark Bloom and GAM.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    Its like like legalized kidnapping lol! Give us your GAM or you'll never see Clint again!

    Seriously though... I would think that making moves like this would make it more difficult to make trades with other teams in the future. Doesn't these sort of things leave a bad taste in peoples mouths? If it were me, I would be less likely to want to deal with them. But then again, I never was the best at monopoly...

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    any transfer updates?

  • In reply to Firefan5819:

    Full update coming this afternoon.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    ;)

  • So based on the new rumor that Guardado to ATL is dead, are the fire still in for him or have they decided to pass as well? Or are they set on Schwiensteiger?

  • In reply to cf97TID:

    I'm sure the Fire would want him. Seems he's staying put at PSG for now.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    I understand from a reliable source that Guardado rejected the Fire's salary offer because he has "una alergia al maní," or a harmful immunologic reaction to cacahuetes. And caca, but he'd only realize he was swimming in it after he got to TP.

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    G,

    Do you think the Fire will be active in the waiver draft??

    None of the names really stick out to me but Darwin Jones is a cheap forward that stood out to me. Any names that stick out to you?

  • In reply to Dennis Groark:

    I don't think so.

  • We didn't take advantage of having the first pick in the waiver draft?

    Hell, couldn't even get a couple dollars of GAM out of it.

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