Aston Villa 1 Fire 0 - postgame

Frank Klopas discusses the 1-0 loss to Aston Villa in an international friendly, the return of Steven Kinney, and playing time for some of the bench.  Dan Gargan also shares his thoughts on the match.

 

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  • So was there a reason why our DP didn't get a chance to play last night? Also heard the Fire received a substantial bid for Pappa, any truth to that?

  • In reply to penapirata:

    Puppo probably didn't play because they want to hide his scary talent from the Premier League clubs.

    On a serious note, I believe they have received offers for Pappa but they haven't been substantial enough to justify moving a player as important as Pappa with only a few months left on his contract and the season winding down into the second half. You have to remember that the Fire will not receive 100% of any transfer fee. MLS taks a cut of every transfer fee paid for a player. It would have to be substantially more than the alleged $700k or so that they've been offered to really be considered.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    So it's better to keep him until the end of the season and receive nothing when he walks than it is to get some amount of money right now? It's not like the Fire are on the verge of winning MLS Cup and Pappa is the crucial player to put them over the top.

    If that's the logic being used by the FO, then I have to say that they don't know what they're doing.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    That's really a moronic thing to say... If the CLUB let Pappa go for 700K, they wouldn't get all of that money and they'd also be more or less saying they're conceding their hope for the playoffs.

    Moreover with the the 300K or so they'd get for him, they probably wouldn't be able to attract a high profile player that could come in and contribute at this late stage anyway...

    Its MLS, its still not a perfect system but I think turning down low offers for Pappa is the right thing to do at the moment.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    Selling Pappa at this point would almost be the equivalent of waving the white flag IMO since the dollar amount they would receive really wouldn't make a big dent towards acquiring a DP. Playing the rest of the way without Grazzini and Pappa would be disastrous.

    They could sell him now for less than he's worth and likely miss the playoffs for a third straight year and surely get roasted for it by fans or they could let him walk, retain his rights, and possibly get him back in a season or two if things don't work out like he wants it to. They're not necessarily let him walk either. They've made him a good offer to stay but he's determined to give Europe a shot.

    The time to sell him would have been last January but they claim the offers weren't there at the time.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    Any money received from a Pappa transfer today has no bearing on bringing in a DP player before the transfer window closes on Friday. If the Fire are serious about paying “Keane money” for a DP, that money’s already there. Money received from a possible Pappa transfer is chump change if you’re spending “Keane money” on a new player.

    Selling Pappa now is merely a matter of getting something for a player who is set to leave instead of getting nothing. There’s nothing moronic about that.

    The Fire’s chances of making the playoffs may be better with Pappa in the lineup, but it’s hardly a lock that they will even make it. The goals have dried up since Grazzini left. There are only four teams in MLS with fewer goals scored than the Fire’s 22. The Fire have conceded 22, making them 6th-best in the league. Making the playoffs will mean squeezing out a lot of 1:0 and 1:1 results and hoping that there won’t be too many 0:1 results. I’m not sure whether Pappa’s presence makes any difference. The Fire will not win MLS Cup this way.

    GR, you’re 100% right, the Fire should have moved Pappa in January. If there were no significant offers then, the Fire should have been more aggressive to shop him.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    We can also agree that selling Pappa now would have zero bearing on their ability to sign a DP for "Keane money". The sum received for Pappa would be a relatively small portion of the money needed to bring in a big time striker or midfielder. They're going to be rightfully questioned on this until they actually go out and acquire someone of that stature.

  • In reply to StaryByk3:

    Oh right, Pappa who was coming off another inconsistent season... I don't buy that there were very many good offers and the Fire weren't "shopping him aggressively".

    Sometimes this stuff happens. If he stays and it doesn't work out in Europe, he can come back ala Rolfe.

    Guillermo said it best but the team knows they would be waving the white flag towards the playoffs if they sell him right now. They shouldn't do it just to get a little extra cash, especially when the stated goal is returning to the playoffs this year.

  • In reply to seaside:

    Winning trophies is the Fire's stated goal every year. The roster, as currently composed, isn't winning any trophies. The Fire's biggest needs are to find an adequate replacement for Grazzini and a striker who can score consistently. Pappa's presence or absence doesn't even matter if those two holes are not filled.

  • The only good thing about the Fire if no major changes happen
    during this transfer window, is that they have a solid base of talent to work from when the next transfer window opens. So hopefully
    for the start of next season, the Fire will add a top flight striker, a CAM, and outside midfielder to replace Pappa. The F.O. should know what it takes to make the team competitive, and they have nearly six months to work on it, perhaps they were a bit blindsided with the Grazzini fiasco and didn't have the time to find a decent replacement in such a short time.
    If they can't figure this out by next season, they should be canned.
    If they expect fans to come out, they need to play attractive and winning soccer. Right now, even with MacDonald, the team is weaker than when the season began. Hopefully, MacDonald will be a starter, otherwise it didn't make any sense to sign him, as the team already has an international benchwarmer, Puppo.
    I feel sorry for the customer service personnel who are top notch and work their butt off. The ones which keep each game from being
    a sell-out and a more enjoyable experience are the jokers running (or ruining) the club. I recently received my season ticket holder renewal which struck me as counting the chickens before the eggs are hatched.

  • In reply to lonecoyote:

    I'm not picking on you lonecoyote, but we've had that same hope that they'd pick up a legit striker for 2 offseasons and if nothing changes, 2 summer transfer windows now, so what makes you think they'd get it right this winter? I hope you are right, but I'm just starting to have doubts that the organization will do what it takes to win.

  • In reply to Drew:

    I'm going with the law of averages, that when the F.O. keeps screwing up, there are times they may screw up screwing up,
    completely by accident, and actually come up with something positive. Also, I find it hard how anyone (the FO) can be continually that stupid, it sure has to set some world record for being dumb.

  • I am afraid that expecting the FO to make quality moves this off season would be like asking a leopard to change it's spots.

    Freidrich has a one year deal, will he return on a similar deal? Pappa is gone (tied for first in team scoring this year), Robayo headed back to Columbia, Puppo will most likely not be back, Grazzini will not be back, Alex wants to go back to Europe, Gibbs cannot stay healthy. Johnson is in the last year of his deal, Pardo will be another year older. That is a lot of instability when 5 of the 9 above are regular starters. A few holes to fill this off season. still rebuilding.....

    Not really confident in the scouting department right now unfortunately.

  • In reply to DerSting:

    Unless something drastic changes, don't expect Friedrich back. I've been told he definitely isn't coming back next season.

    I can't recall how long Gibbs contract goes, but I don't see the Fire renewing him once it runs out. He's a vet, yes, but he's spent significant time out due to injury (as is his propensity), and I would think the FO would feel that money was better spent trying to retain Anibaba/Berry.

  • In reply to Jeff Krause:

    Gibbs signed a new deal when he was selected in the re-entry draft before last season and terms were never announced (as usual). I assumed it was either a 3 or 4 year deal because he signed so quickly after being drafted.

    MLS rookie deals are almost always 3 year deals with an option or 4 year deals. Anibaba won't be up for at least another season and Berry should be good for several. I believe they also have an option on Sean Johnson this offseason.

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    Chicago U-20's clinch 2012 USL North American Title with 3-1
    win against Columbus Crew. Luis Medina and Felipe Cortez are
    named as the creative Goal Scorers. Is Frank Klopas looking at these Guys for potential First Team Players?
    Creative Goal Scorers is what is missing at this time on the
    so called first team. Their recent matches have been flat and
    very disappointing to us fans who are starting to loose interest
    and hope in the Brilliant Decisions made by those in charge
    of the team.

  • speaking of contracts, i did do a write up looking at the roster and the contract situation of each player at www.penapiratas.blogspot.com. to me and my guessing of the contract lengths of players we will need to be signing more mids than anything over the course of the next couple seasons.

  • Going back to the Pappa situation, it would be foolish fornthe Fire to sell him now for basically very little and miss the playoffs. I single home playoff game generates far more income to the team than the $300k the Fire would get for a sale right now. So from a finacial point of view, selling now makes no sense to me unless the offer were for significantly more than the revenue and fan support generated by a play-off game.

    I think it is so obvious that the Fire need a local owner with a general manager that knows the Chicago soccer scene (you know who I am talking about). I wish the Pritxkers would step up and buy this team. They could call it Hyatt Park. Or better yet, build a Hyatt in Bridgeview to house all of the out of town fans. I think there is a Lock-Up Self Storage facility that easily could be converted to a motel. Go for Pritzkers!!!

  • In reply to Krasov:

    Don't you mean "Bridgefield"?

    That's where Dan Kelly claimed the Fire game was taking place during the broadcast Saturday night.

  • The silence during these final days of hope is painfully deafening.

  • In reply to Arklow:

    They do love themselves some secrecy.

  • Is it just me or does the Fire receive less column inches on MLS net than any other team? Secrecy is fine with transfers but secrecy about the existence of the Fire is another matter. While i 'm on the whine, what other teams beside the Fire have zero home grown players? Signing players who never play doesn't count.

  • In reply to Celt:

    Here's a complete list of homegrown signings in MLS as of June 7.......

    http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/http%3A//pressbox.mlssoccer.com/homegrownplayers

  • My season tickets are right by where the fire subs warm up. And when Kinney, Puppo and Gulley were walking back, Puppo had his head down. I loudly said, "Its a shame that our DP cant even get on the field for a freindly". Puppo gave me a little glare. lol

    But seriously how pathetic is that? How can someone that we call our DP, not even break the lineup when a game doesnt mean anything?

    Please do somthing before window closes.

  • In reply to KChance:

    I believe that same DP was the one who was p-o'd that he was sold to the Fire. Wouldn't be surprised if he were putting in a "Nery-esque" performance. Speaking of which, i used to have the aisle seats, front row, in 120 between 120 and 121 for two-three years, right where the Fire warm up. Those years were miserable since it seemed as though the Fire kept bringing in Mexican national team stars that would undoubtedly come off the bench (Blanco, Nery, etc) and everyone and their brother would crowd the aisle trying to get an autograph or a thumbs-up in a picture. I still loathe those days, however, at least back then we were trying to win. Can't say that too much now-a-days...

  • In reply to c0quito18:

    Miserable years with Blanco???

  • In reply to Guillermo Rivera:

    Miserable in terms of having drunk 30-40 year-old's in Club America jerseys or half-America/half-Fire jerseys leaning all over me and my brother while we were trying to enjoy the game. And/or spilling beer on us while they were trying to stretch their jerseys over the wall to have him sign said jerseys. He would barely acknowledge them but they were there every time he didn't start that first year. In terms of level of play, he's one of the best players we've had. I actually think I didn't fully value his era with the Fire due to my own biases for his d-baggery prior to joining the Fire.

  • In reply to c0quito18:

    Lol.....I see.

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