Fire v Timbers Match Day

Starting Line Ups

Fire

GK Johnson

D Anibaba, Gibbs, Robinson, Segares

M Pappa, Pause, Videira, Nyarko

F Puerari, Chaves

Bench : Conway, Cuesta, Ristic, Maric, Oduro, Paul, Barouch

Timbers

GK Gleeson

D Purdy, Brunner, Danso, Wallace

M Hall, Jewsbury, Marcelin, Alhassan

F Perlaza, Cooper

Bench : Guppy, Goldthwaite, Nagbe, Zizzo, Johnson, Moffat, Pore

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  • another terrible decision and play from Sean Johnson... shoulda been a goal. We're lucky they called it back .

  • Back line seems disorganized and shaky in the first half again

  • This is just awful. Should be 3-0, against an expansion team. Brutal first half.

  • An awful first half display from the Fire. Defense has been horrific and passing not much better.

  • In reply to cesba:

    I'm blaming the waterlogged pitch.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    The pitch is awful. I hate new stadiums with turf. Toronto had the decency to remove theirs. The league has gotten much better, quicker than is possible for the referees to likewise get better. MLS is quick and physical and not an easy league to ref and the style seems to be part Latin part EPL minus the great technical ability. LaLas is an ass. That said, that looked like a goal. Jonhson must do the ordinary well, or great shot blocking will not cut it.

  • In reply to cesba:

    this match reminds me of the crap we had to watch all last year >:( no flow to the match whatsoever. lots of horrible heavy touches on the ball by chicago players, they cant hardly string 2 passes together, can't dribble for more than one move without giving it back to portland, and the spacing is so bad you'd think that chicago was two men short. also both bookings by chicago were deserved - stupid clumsy tackles that were not even necessary, neither tackle was needed as there was no immediate danger from portland

    SJ has punted one out of play once already this half, and yet again made a poor decision running off his line to let a goal in. i cringe every time he leaves the 6 yard box

    would like to see the ref give a few more bookings to portland defenders for their clattering into chavez and puerrari from behind every time just as they are receiving the ball

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    did chicago even had a try at goal in the first half? if so it was only off a set piece, not even a half chance from the run of play so far

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Absolutely zilch from midfielders......need to get Pappa involved

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Well, in SJ's defense he did get knocked over by his own man on the first goal. Bad communication for sure, though.

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    What the he'll was sj doing on the first goal? No focus, concentration, or effort.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    What was he doing on the third goal? Wow

  • In reply to cesba:

    He handled that ball like a live grenade,

  • In reply to FireStingDoug:

    SJ making some horrible decisions and worst, even more poor actions with the ball. So weak on the ball. Do we need a new keeper already? Robinson is the slowest player on the pitch.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Conway will start Sunday.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Certainly did not expect this pathetic of an effort against an expansion team

  • In reply to fire1020:

    It will be a blood bath If they play like this against the galaxy.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Why was puerari taken off at half time? SJ looks lost and entire defense is awful.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Portland is not a good team but we're making them look like Barca.!!!

  • In reply to shortpasses:

    Truth

  • In reply to shortpasses:

    4-2 final in an ugly display

  • In reply to cesba:

    Well, at least they didn't pack it in down 3-0. Trying to grasp at something positive here...

  • In reply to cesba:

    Crap on a stick, topped with Diarrhea and dipped in vomit then lit on Fire. Fire? FIRE, FIRE, FIRE! Lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo . . . ah, forget it.

    Night all.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Good fight back, but it was a little too late. I thought chaves did pretty good in the second half, Oruro added a spark too, but I still think u would have to keep Puerari in. He can make chances from nothing. The midfield was completely overrun and the defense was in shambles. Sj has cost us at least 4 goals in the last 3 games (I'm not sure about the last goal today), it's time for Conway to get a go.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    The last goal was created by a handball on Cooper. I'm not going to complain too much, as it certainly looked like Cooper had a legit goal taken away. On the other hand, it looked like the Fire had a claim to a penalty on a handball in the box, but I couldn't tell definitively on my crappy stream. Bottom line, the officiating really has been quite awful this year.

    Not trying to make excuses, but it really did look like they didn't figure out the pitch until the second half. Couldn't even complete a five-yard pass in the first. Not that they're the world's most dazzling passing team, but they don't usually look nearly that bad.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    you caught it on a stream? poor you. i had it in beautiful HD on ESPN2. so clear, you could see the fear in SJ's eyes everytime he had to make a decision on what to do. poor poor player tonight.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Fire interested in Finnish striker Juho Makela?......

    http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/futis/uutiset.shtml/2011/04/1313329/juho-makela-lainalle-mls-liigaan

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Wiki entry on Makela.......

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juho_M%C3%A4kel%C3%A4

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Sean Johnson needs to pick it up, quick.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    I think our D forgot to show up. Alibaba is picked on the most. All the teams are attacking from that side. Segares keeping his side firm but I think Steven or Ristic need to take over right side. Robinson was very slow to react almost like he wasn't playing. I think CDLC should of rested his starters if this is the result we were looking for. First 2 games gave us hope but last 2 games made us realize this is going to be a long year with lot more frustration...

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    some thoughts from last nights game

    SJ is very weak in 2 areas - coming out of the 6 yard box, and dealing with crosses in the air (ever since he got undercut by CJ last season he has seemed reluctant to go after crosses)

    not only that, but the defenders in general have proven to be weak in the air - last week vs seattle, and again last nites match showed how weak they are. the defensive speed is also an issue - would like to see mikulic back in the lineup, he seemed to steady the defensive line. also anibaba keeps wandering into the center of the field, leaving so much space on the flank

    fire midfield is really poor at dealing with physical play. they are gonna have to adjust & understand that not all refs are gonna call fouls for the rough shoulder charges & such. i noticed last nite, that once the ref had given portland a couple bookings, the play opened up and chicagos offense starting creating chances - until then the offense was completely stifled because portland was being so physical, but it was physical above the waist, unlike chicagos two stupid bookings in the 1st half which were just dumb challenges with little purpose

    i almost wonder if pappa would be better coming of the bench, if he is only gonna give 30 good minutes in a game, mite as well only play 30 minutes. he was worthless in the first 60 minutes last nite

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Wow! I've never seen such crappy football as last night's affair.

    This points to a serious problem for the MLS.

    I think there are many people like me in the US--folks who love football but have not gotten excited by the MLS. With cable offerings I have enough on my plate to keep up with my EPL, Serie A, and La Liga teams.

    I support the Fire because they are the hometown squad--and decided to watch last night's game since nothing else was on.

    But the quality was soooo bad, I had to turn it off at halftime.

    I was actually planning on going to the game on Sunday, but if the display in Portland is what we can expect from the MLS, my time is much better spent sitting at home watching some Mexican Premera Division football.

    (Please don't blame the pitch or the weather--that can't justify the poor communication, shoddy passing, and failure to adequately cover space on the defensive end and make space on the offense)

  • In reply to Roti2000:

    MLS is far behind in terms of skill compare to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga and Mexican division because the league itself isn't 20 years old and the competition overseas is over a century old with tradition and 4th generation players. However, the quality of the league itself has gotten better for the past couple of years and get it some time. You mention Serie A, other than teams like Inter Milan and AC Milan, teams like Lazio, AC Fiorentina, Genoa and etc are hard to watch at times; it is like watching Galaxy football (slow offense and play for 1-0). You want to talk about an unwatchable league, try the Scottish Premier League...OUCH!!!

  • In reply to Roti2000:

    when you look at what the players are being paid compared to the quality of play, the MLS is a bargain. there are players in Europe getting paid 10x what most MLS players get, and are of similar quality

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Plus, MLS has a salary cap compared to EPL and other leagues can throw the amount of dollars on a certain players.

  • In reply to longoria3:

    yes yes, very true about the cap

    my point was, tho, give MLS teams the budget of a Chelsea or Real Madrid, and then you can complain if the quality of play doesnt measure up to the top clubs

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    right on CC. The Galaxy are the only MLS team are in triple digits in terms of value of the franchise.

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    How Real Salt Lake is built is good for MLS. I want to see more teams like RSL and their franchise.

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Everything all you guys are saying is correct. My point is that we live in a football landscape where there are TONS of options for enthusiasts.

    So in a sense it doesn't matter that the MLS is new and that they don't have the budgets of the top European leagues. They are all competing for the same market share. Since I didn't grow up with the Fire, I have no real attachment other than I like to see Chicago teams do well. Since I have no historical attachment to a team, I'd much rather watch Barca, Arsenal, or even Pumas and Monterrey who are playing well.

    I did grow up during the NASL days and loved the Sting. The problem back then was that you didn't have any other options for football. I don't even think the Mexican league was broadcast back then.

    That said, I will be rooting for RSL in the Concacaf Champions League Finals. But if the Fire puts on displays like last night, I am envisioning a summer where I'll be focusing more on the Gold Cup, Copa America, and the Brasilian league until Europe starts up in August.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    OK I've had a good night's rest and a great breakfast with some of my OF (old fart) friends --- now I'm ready to talk. First off, the conditions: while the pitch doesn't excuse everything, to ignore it is foolish, especially as it relates to the Fire's chosen style of play -- short passes, quick skillful dribbling. The conditions played right into the Timbers' style of long ball, kick and run. The artificial turf seemed to retain the water causing the ball to "stick", slowing down passes and making quick moves or dribbling more difficult. ALL THAT SAID, the first question is why the Fire didn't resort to more of a long ball game?? Ignoring the conditions is being stupid. Regarding the defense: first SJ -- I am not ready to give up on him on the basis of one game. He had an outstanding save early and then a terrible mental mistake in going out on the first goal and finally an awful "flub" on the third goal. Bad performance but not time to give up on!!. I am generally not interested in the tactical side of the game (discussions of formations are boring!!) BUT there seemed to be some serious problems in back when the Timbers were consistently able to dribble nearly into the box on the left side without any Fire player in the picture -- midfield or the left back??? Also, one on one defending was awful -- are the Timbers that much quicker than us ; why were we constantly over committing or jumping in??? Another question: why was Puerari taken out? Odoro was a pleasant surprise but I would still have liked to see Gaston. Credit to the team for gutting out the 2 goals. Brighter days are ahead. Go Fire

  • In reply to shortpasses:

    Puerari was probably taken out to save him for Sunday. We're going to need him.

  • In reply to shortpasses:

    anibaba was a center back in college, right? i am guessing he keeps drifting back toward the center of the field because thats where he is used to playing?

    the timbers caused a lot of possession problems for the fire by being physical above the waist - they didnt resort to much cheap leg chopping like seattle did vs nyarko, but they were always pushing and shouldering fire players off balance, and the fire did not adapt

    i noticed that once portland rec'd a couple cautions (about 55-60th minutes) they laid back some more on their defense, allowed a bit of time and space, and chicagos offense started to thrive

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    CC, excellent point on Anibaba. Jalil natural position was indeed center back at UNC. Maybe he is there on a short term basis until Steven Kinney comes back 100 healthy. Time will tell. Seeing D-Rob at centerback or outside back is painful to watch. They have to solidify that problem at that position because for the past 3 games, they have surrendered 8 goals total.

  • In reply to longoria3:

    Don't forget Mikulic when he comes back too. It should be Kinney, Mikulic, Gibbs and Segares or Kinney, Mikulic and Gibbs.

  • In reply to shortpasses:

    Puerari was taken out partly because of what you mentioned....they probably thought it would be easier to try some long passes to Oduro because of his speed.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Looks like it's going to be a long season. SJ makes Dykstra look like an allstar
    Poor play overall, except for the second part of the second half, until a handball goal was allowed.
    Officiating was weak, but difficult with a wet slick field.
    Portland may not be a better team, but they outhustled the Fire.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Odd that the last time the Sting played there the score was 4-2 , but they won.

  • In reply to FireStingDoug:

    Bad goaltending and horrendous defense by this team. Even though a young goalkeeper like Sean Johnson will have his up and downs but he needs to make the routine saves. My theory is that the Fire and West Coast trips don't co-exist. The likes of Josuf Mikulic is really hurting this team defensively and the Dasan Robinson experience has to stop. I would like to know why Waston-Siriboe and Cuesta is behind Robinson in the depth chart. The 4-4-2 so far hasn't been working and they generate more goals and the offense flows better with 3-5-2. Pause has had a better season because the the 3-5-2 than 4-4-2. Example, Pause had to defend Peralza one and one and he got beat badly and ran into his goalie. They should beat the Galaxy without Beckham and Donovan in the lineup. Galaxy's gameplan to slow Puerari, Chaves and Pappa down with a conservative approach to play a 0-0/1-0 game.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Handball on that 4th goal , but that was even up for that 1st goal that was called back.

  • In reply to FireStingDoug:

    I saw that the goal was called back because the corner kick went out of bounds and then curved back into play.

    Bad night for the Fire but a good one for MLS. The Timber army is unreal.

  • In reply to oliotya:

    The said that was the reason the goal was wiped out , but it really did not go ouut of bounds.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Second week in a row they got beat man to man for a goal.

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