Fire's Expansion Protected List

The MLS expansion draft will be held on Wednesday and the Fire's list of protected players includes a surprise or two.  The team has elected to protect both Mike Banner and Calen Carr while making two designated players and this year's opening day goalkeeper available for selection by either Vancouver or Portland. 

The Fire's protected list includes:

Mike Banner

Calen Carr

Wilman Conde

Baggio Husidic

Stephen Kinney

Patrick Nyarko

Marco Pappa

Logan Pause

Bratislav Ristic

Gonzalo Segares

Kwame Watson-Siriboe

Unprotected: Castillo, Dykstra, John, Krol, Ljungberg, Lowry, Robinson, Thorrington, Umanzor

With the thought that both expansion teams would be looking for younger, inexpensive options to fill out their initial rosters one can understand the desire to protect both Banner and Carr while leaving expensive options such as Castillo and Ljungberg exposed.  Castillo would certainly not be selected due to his salary and performance while Ljungberg could be an attractive option if either the Whitecaps or Timbers decide they really want to stoke the flames of an immediate rivalry with Seattle.  The Fire is gambling that Ljungberg's various options and possible overseas contract offers is sufficient to scare away the two MLS expansion sides while continuing to negotiate a new deal with the former Arsenal man. 

I would have rated Lowry, Robinson, and Dykstra ahead of both Carr and Banner.  Lowry has had some success, is young and inexpensive and could be a player that is lost this Wednesday.  Robinson's injury concerns could be enough to keep him in red next season and the Fire may be in the market for a more experienced veteran back up to support Sean Johnson thereby making Dykstra available.  I wonder if San Jose's goalkeeper can be signed? 

The remainder of the names on the unprotected list should come as little surprise to anyone as both John Thorrington and Collins John both have health issues and hefty salaries making them unattractive options for an expansion team.  The Fire also explored some options in the trade market but nothing materialized. 

 

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  • Making a list like this must be incredibly tough, but I think they did the best they could. It would be a shame to lose Lowry, but you know management loves Carr and Banner. I like Carr this year and think he will continue to have a big upside, but I'm a bit perplexed by Banner.
    Interesting about Ljunberg. Part of me doesn't really care if he's taken, but I do think he can be a strong veteran leader for the whole next season if he's with the team through training. With two teams this exp draft is going to be crazy!

  • http://www.chicago-fire.com/news/2010/11/fire-protect-11-ahead-2010-exp-draft

    Official release

  • Carr over Lowry? Banner? Is mediocrity the new team mantra?

  • In reply to DerSting:

    YES

  • In reply to DerSting:

    Firing Sarachan, good enough to coach at LA and the national level, and then Hamlett, good enough to reach 2 conference finals, albeit challenged at the man management level, shows the rot had set in some time ago. I would love to be wrong, and I am never in favor of knee jerk firing the coach, but even DLC's subs and playing the same aged team on A wedensday and Saturday last season shows he is not up for the job. Perhaps Castillo will return to form and John with him, but even if that were to happen this team is USL level and the depth for MLS is just not there.

  • In reply to DerSting:

    We should probably wait and see who the fire bring in before we throw in the towel, judging from what they did last year the FO deserves a chance. Banner isn't too bad a player to have as backup and 3 goals in half a season used mainly as a substitute isn't godawful. I also think that these players could have some trade value.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    what did they do last year? Lost Gonzo, Lost Rolfe, Lost Blanco, Lost Soumare.. replaced them with no one of note. Maritnez gone, Krol Gone, Umanzor not up to snuff, John hurt all year when he wasn't lazy according to DLC, Then the midseason pick yups, Ristic did well, but Ljunberg was ok on the whole some good games some invisible and then there is Nery.. Now this list with protecting banner and carr.. not sure i trust the FO that much anymore

  • In reply to lijien:

    Gonzo, Blanco, Rolfe, Soumare all chose to leave. John, Ljungberg, and Castillo were gambles that unfortunately didn't pay off, but these all found success in the EPL, and are the types of players who I hope the Fire continue to sign. It's also nice to see that kind of money being spent midseason to try and push for the playoffs. It's more a matter of the personnel failing to perform than the FO failing to provide. The only real fault I see with them from last season was the Busch debacle. I have been bashing DLC, Castillo all seaon, but it was them who underperformed and their fault. Also, Gonzo wasn't too much an improvement over Krol for the second half of last season.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Agreed Colton. The FO has made all the right moves to try and win right now. Sure losing Busch hurt us but that also let us find Johnson. I would rather have Johnson going forward than Busch. There weren't many goals that were the keepers fault this season. Majority of the goals were bad marking and lazy defending that lead to them. Klopas and the FO gave DLC the players to win right now. They didn't perform to their abilities and now its time to move on.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    Yep.....Klopas took some gambles that haven't panned out but there weren't many people complaining when those moves were made...except for Busch but goalkeeping wasn't the reason why the Fire struggled this year.

  • In reply to cesba:

    If we don't lose Busch, we don't find Johnson. Johnson and Nyarko were our lone bright spots on the season.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    The goalkeeper situation will work out for the better, it just wasn't handled correctly.

  • In reply to cesba:

    agreed

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    Nice article on Division I college players who can be signed outside the draft....

    http://www.houstondynamo.com/news/2010/11/scouting-mls-protected-players-college

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    This mock draft has the Fire losing Lowry........

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/predicting-expansion-draft

  • In reply to cesba:

    I also think we're going to lose Lowry. The guy is a serviceable midfielder and has proven to have some darn good scoring technique. Robinson may be the other player to go.

  • In reply to fireman451:

    We will lose only one of those two. Whichever one gets picked the other will be saved. I think Robinson would get picked because he can play anywhere in the back and that is what expansion teams tend to look for. A player that can play multiple positions for a cheaper price.

  • In reply to lijien:

    Let's see if we can trade the entire team to one of the expansion teams and start anew from the unprotected talent pool, maybe then DLC can finally get players to suit his vision of attractive attacking soccer. (whatever that is) ;-)

  • In reply to lijien:

    Overnight TV ratings for MLS Cup down 44% from last year. ouch

  • In reply to cesba:

    I wonder how much of that is due to L.A. being in last year vs. this year. I mean didn't ESPN promote the hell out of this event in their non-soccer programming?

    We might be an Arbitron household soon. That should bump the Chicago soccer numbers a fraction.

  • In reply to oliotya:

    ESPN barely promotes MLS games during their non soccer programming when the Galaxy are involved let alone FC Dallas and Colorado.

    MLS has a ways to go in terms of television programming and needs to address this issue : Alot of MLS fans don't seem to care about games in which their teams are not participating.

  • In reply to oliotya:

    Troy,
    Once the two expansion teams make their selections all players listed as "unprotected" go back to their teams. Any players that are not wanted by their clubs (Schelotto, Hejduk, etc) will enter another draft in December making them available to all other MLS teams.

  • In reply to cesba:

    I guess we had our moment when we came into the league in 1998 and won the Open Cup and MLS cup...I don't like our future right now especially with all these good players being available for selection tomorrow! :-(
    We need to start trading for established MLS players or even 2nd, or 3rd tier ones...NY traded away so many good players like Wynn, Gavin, etc..LAG till they got their team they had now traded a bunch of guys away to various teams.
    I think there is more utility in trading, or using $ which we should have now to get players that are still around after the 2 teams pick tomorrow from the unprotected list.

  • In reply to cesba:

    LA Galaxy and Real Salt Lake MLS Finals was way more exciting than Colorado and FC Dallas Finals. Look at the 2010 World Series ratings (which was a snoozer), MLB All Star and I would like to see the ratings for the 2010 NBA Finals (YUK!!!).

  • In reply to longoria3:

    So? You don't know it's going to be boring before you turn on the TV.

  • In reply to cweimers:

    I don't need to turn on the TV for the NBA because the product of the league has gotten worse every year and can't bare to stomach. Also, MLB All Star "This One Counts" motto doesn't do me any good and the two teams who were in the World Series had ratings disaster waiting to happen. Not only the MLS suffered a dropoff with the Finals this year, but also other sports go through these issues when some years they have good ratings and other years they have bad ratings.

  • In reply to cweimers:

    Ives takes a stab at a mock expansion draft.....

    http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/mls/story/mls-expansion-draft-whos-who-of-mls-on-the-trading-block

    He's got Dasan Robinson being selected.

  • In reply to cweimers:

    Robbie Findley doesn't seem too intent on staying in Salt Lake. He's out of contract, and if he could be persuaded to come to Chicago, I doubt Salt Lake would charge too much for the rights of a player who doesn't want to be there. I know he's looking oversees, but the chance to play for a city like Chicago should be fairly enticing to him, and we have plenty of cap space available. Maybe for McBride's salary.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Findley would drive some of the commentors here nuts with his inconsistency. It will be interesting to see if any of the expansion teams take a flyer on him tomorrow.

  • In reply to cesba:

    IMO findley would be a slight upgrade on calen carr. i can't stand watching him on the national team tbh

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Bingo. faster but with less control

  • In reply to cesba:

    Findley isn't very consistent (Pappa is pretty inconsistent) and I don't think he is good enough to start on the usmnt. Right now our sure fire forwards are John and Carr, and FIndley is a step up over them.

  • In reply to cweimers:

    I think the Fire needs get more national team players to keep their strong connection going.

  • Chad Barrett and Tim Ward left unprotected in Toronto and San Jose.

    Jon Busch is protected in San Jose while Joe Cannon is not.

  • Complete list of unprotected players.....

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/mls-releases-unprotected-list-expansion-draft

  • In reply to cesba:

    The Banner and Carr protected was an interesting one but I would have protected Dykstra based on gaining experience this year and Dasan Robinson for depth since if they are not sure with Kinney's health. Vancouver or Portland would like to have Seattle's Nyassi or Dallas Harris. I noticed big names like Schelotto, Angel, Findley, de Guzman, Cunningham, Conrad, McCarty, Saunders and Wolff on that list.

  • In reply to longoria3:

    Kind of crazy to me that McCarty wasn't protected. Young, moderate salary, really strong finish to the season. What am I missing here?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    He's had a few run ins with Hyndman in the past.

  • In reply to longoria3:

    My only real beef with the Fire's list was protecting Banner over Lowry.

  • In reply to cesba:

    I also wonder why people are saying that we should be protecting our backup keeper in Dykstra. It's not like Johnson is an aging keeper and Dykstra is next in line. Johnson is younger than him and better than him. Protecting Dykstra would have been worse than protecting Carr or Banner.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    I could go either way on Dykstra. It's possible that one of the expansion teams could take a look but a veteran back up may be needed here.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    Just like I wrote several weeks ago, the Fire are being lead by morons and amateurs.
    I can see why Castillo and Ljungberg were on the list because it could be expensive
    for the new teams to sign them with a good chance of being passed up.
    Lowry is a goner, could have a bright future with the right team.
    He is probably better off career wise, at least he'll be given an even chance to prove himself.
    Thet didn't have to protect Banner and Carr, they probably wouldn't be selected in the first
    place, given the players that were left unprotected by other teams. There's better talent available
    than these two.
    Given the fiasco with letting go of the fan reps several weeks ago, then to top it off
    with the protected list, neither Klopas nor De Los Moron have a clue on how to run a soccer club
    on a professional basis
    They should be ashamed, but they are too incompetent to recognize their own incompetence.
    I'm sorry I renewed so early, if the Fire puts on the same crap on the field next year as they did this year, they are going to suffer a severe attendance loss.
    Right now I feel nothing but contempt for the Fire organization, after all we're not Cub fans who are so enamored with mediocrity. Maybe, if they flop again we would be rid of Frankie boy and De Los Moron.
    It seems that since the Fire were acquired by Andell Holdings, they get worse each succeeding year.

  • In reply to lonecoyote:

    "De Los Moron" doesn't really have a good ring to it. If you must persist in your relentless negativity, you need to do better. why not give "de los Crapos" or "de los Compost" a try, see how they feel.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    Especially considering how comically horrible and talentless Dykstra is. Anyone who considers taking him off our hands must not have watched a single minute of tape of him.

  • In reply to manyou07:

    thats a bit over the top - dykstra was not that bad. but i do agree the fire are probly better off not protecting him and getting a veteran backup. doesnt make a lot of sense to have 2 young keepers

  • In reply to manyou07:

    i dont think either expansion team will take castillo, but i am hoping that he turns it around next season - its gotta be pretty much his last chance to have a career, he needs to make the most of it

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    It's a big year for him. He won't have many options if he flops in 2011.

  • In reply to cesba:

    don't see how banner get's protected over robinson. We have plenty of midfielders but not many defenders. Unless, they have some signings on the way, in which case it would make sense.

  • In reply to lijien:

    Klopas and De Los Cobos are currently off on a scouting missing in Europe and won't be back until the end of the month so that's possible.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Well, now it is official. Klopas and de Los Cobos are incompetent. I normally defer to professionals but I'm afraid their incompetence is now as obvious as dog's testicles. Carr has done nothing in all theyears in this league, and has the lowest soccer IQ on the team. Good speed and always caught offsides is the most glaring example.
    I was hopeful Carr's goals this year would entice some team to take him off our hands. I also believe he is not badly paid, so this baffles. Banner I can live with but Robinson and Lowry are both better players and this guarantees we will lose both. In short, we are screwed with this front office rebuilding the team.

  • In reply to Celt:

    In fairness to Banner, he's spent much of the past couple Fire seasons at defender, while he is a more natural midfielder. Still Lowry is a much better player than him and tons better than the energetic but talentless Carr. Robinson had an injury-filled year but is still a better bet than Carr or Banner. I'm afraid we'll lose Lowry, who showed a lot of potential, just because he's a similar to Pause, though he adds a lot more offensive threat than Pause.

  • In reply to manyou07:

    Lowry will be picked for sure, and will be in the league for a long time. You could bet your house on that. Agree on Banner, and expect Robinson to be taken. I hope he doesn't suddenly get over his leg problems, or whatever that is that made him a shadow of his former self. To watch Robinson on another team with his old game would be annoying. Even as a shadow he is better than Carr

  • In reply to Celt:

    yeah i think lowry and robinson will be the two players the fire lose

    both very similar players in their work ethic - nothing flashy, but quietly & fairly competently do their job

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Those are the two that stick out to me as targets as well. The good thing is you can pull one player back if you have a player chosen.

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    Fire nominated in a few categories in Best of US Soccer Awards....

    http://www.chicago-fire.com/news/2010/11/best-us-soccer-awards

  • In reply to CountChocula:

    You never know, I mean the Union grabbed David Myrie from us last year!

  • In reply to Chow:

    Very true.....and Myrie ended up playing one game for them before getting cut.

  • In reply to cesba:

    If I remember correctly he even started that game... weird.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Thanks for the info Grillermo about the draft in Decembver to all MLS teams! Is that when the college draft is as well in December during that time or they seperate?
    I just think it's weird that the Fire don't trade players, I know that was more of a problem before the rules of teams trading within the MLS and making it easier to do so.
    I just see us picking up players that were waived but not actually trading...maybe we don't have many players other teams would want or with the low salary of the players who are youngins its harder to do?
    I hope we go after Schelotto or Angel if we don't resign Ljungberg.

  • In reply to smiley:

    MLS likes to complicate things. The college draft (MLS Superdraft) is January 13.

    There is a separate "re-entry" draft for veteran players released from their current clubs or out of contract.

    The first stage of the re-entry draft on December 8 features players who fall into these categories:
    1. Players who are at least 23 years old and have a minimum of three years experience in MLS whose options were not exercised by their clubs (available at option salary for 2011).

    "2. Players who are at least 25 years old with a minimum of four years of MLS experience who are out of contract and whose club does not wish to re-sign them at their previous salary (available at 2010 salary).

    "3. Players who are at least 30 years old with a minimum of eight years of MLS experience who are out of contract and whose club does not wish to re-sign them (available for at least 105% of their 2010 salary)."

    Then...on December 15 teams can renegotiate salaries with players. Anybody not signed with a team after that is free to go to any MLS team that wants them.

    Here's a link to the rules......
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article/40334/blueprint-for-new-age-of-mls.html

    Pretty simple, huh? ;)

  • In reply to smiley:

    Jeff Crandall's All In podcast with Director of Player Development John Dorn.......

    http://www.chicago-fire.com/news/2010/11/all-john-dorn

  • In reply to smiley:

    have to agree on the trading aspect. I liked Nagamura, Cronin and Casey whom were all traded by TFC, but alas, none of them to us. meanwhile we dumped Mapp for salary and a low pick, Gave players like Jacqa, Busch, Wiilliams away. All are in the league some years later. Our young talent like Rolfe and even Bocanegra go for free, albeit the later may not have been helped as he would not sign. The point is a lot of talent went out with little in return. I too liked John and Castillo deals and agree with whomever said they hope those type of players are who we should go after. The problem is not bust Dp's as such but the middle tier who are poor.I Want some some Colombians, Argentinians or Latin Americans in general to fill the roster. These countries have a lot of talent at the right price. We need to exploit that market. I am sick up watching better players come of the bench than our starters.

  • In reply to Celt:

    That should be all of whom were traded. Errant finger.

  • In reply to Celt:

    Mike Jeffries is in South America right now. We'll see if the Fire come up with something there.

  • In reply to Celt:

    Correct me if I'm wrong but once a player is selected, don't we then get to protect another on the list?

  • In reply to Celt:

    never mind

  • In reply to Celt:

    Another mock draft has Robinson being selected....

    http://www.socceramerica.com/article/40542/mls-newcomers-gather-talent-mock-draft.html

  • In reply to Celt:

    Extra Time Radio will have the expansion draft live at 12:45....

    http://www.mlssoccer.com/extratime

  • In reply to Celt:

    This report says Tigres in Mexico is interested in Nery Castillo but it appears they don't quite understand the unprotected list....

    http://sdpnoticias.com/sdp/contenido/nacional/2010/11/23/23/1164174

  • In reply to cesba:

    How did these guy infer that Tigres having a folder with a Fire logo and Nery being on the unprotected list as being signs that he will no longer play with the club? It says it towards the end of the report. If this were the case then Nery Castillo is headed to the Nazareth Academy boys soccer team as my younger brother was holding a Fire folder while walking around yesterday. Hell, I don't think Nery would be able to crack the starting line-up there either...joking...maybe...

  • In reply to c0quito18:

    The media in Mexico is known for reporting dubious information as news. If Nery does play anywhere else next year it could be via a short term loan deal similar to Landon Donovan's with Everton.

    He's not going to Tigres.

  • In reply to Celt:

    "I Want some some Colombians", lol, i just thought that sounded pretty funny. But the Fire definately needs improvement throughout the roster. Right now the only players I'm really glad to have on the roster are, Pappa, Nyarko, Pause, and Johnson.

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Here ya go.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpeEdMmmQ0

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Expansion draft begins coverage begins in 15 minutes on mlssoccer.com

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Portland takes Dax McCarty with the first pick

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Vancouver's first pick is Sanna Nyassi

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Through 5 rounds and the Fire haven't lost anyone.

    FC Dallas, Columbus, and Seattle lose 2 players each

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Portland takes Robbie Findley in the 6th round

  • In reply to fire1020:

    Peter Lowry is on his way to Portland in the 7th round.

    The Fire pulls back Dasan Robinson.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Yep, called it. I knew Lowry was going to be taken, serviceable and proven ability to finish his chances on goal. I'd rather have lost Dasan than Lowry. Damn.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Vancouver has selected John Thorrington with the last pick in the draft.

    I hope their trainer is ready.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Crap, Thor too. So we're done contributing to the draft now, right?

  • In reply to fireman451:

    Thorrington was the final pick in the draft.

    Fire lost the max of 2 players.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Hate to see Lowry go, but it could be a positive career for him.
    Hopefully Portland has better soccer awareness than the Fire.
    Thorrington is really not much of a loss given his recent injuries,
    couldn't be counted on in the future.
    We're still stuck with Banner which brings into question the ability of the Fire
    staff to judge ability. Based upon this season, De Los Crapos must have players hasn't worked out.

  • In reply to lonecoyote:

    Lowry was a good pick-up for Portland, but I would question their soccer awareness. They took Findley, who is looking for a club outside of MLS, and they took Bornstein, who already signed with a club in Mexico.

  • In reply to lonecoyote:

    Wow, Fire lose two players with a weak squad and LA loses none. Seattle, Crew and Union lose 2 each in the first few rounds which must indicate the depth or youth and potential of their squads . Thorrington is too fragile but a fine player when fit but given his salary can be replaced, hopefully, with a proven player. I want some Fire news on acquisitions before much longer. They tend to do little until the pre season is upon us.

  • In reply to cesba:

    as I expected. Ugh. Just to remind DlC & Klopas, Lowry, a midfielder, has five goals in two seasons, as many as forward Calen Carr has in the past four seasons (granted he missed all of last season injured, but does it really matter?). not to mention the fact that lowry has scored some goals that actually require skill, whereas carr's goals this season have been AYSO U12-caliber dribblers that beat AYSO U10-caliber goalies.

    sorry. i'm mad.

  • In reply to Chow:

    I agree all should have protected Lowry and Robinson. I wish we would have put faith in Lynberg by protecting him unless we know he is gone! Surprised we protected Conde because he didn't sign the offer we gave him!
    There is a lot of great players unprotected to hopefully we don't lose anyone but protecting Banner and Carr is crazy and not Lowry and Robinson!

  • In reply to smiley:

    They're going to continue to try and cut a deal with Ljungberg if he's not selected by Vancouver or Portland. I seriously doubt that either one will pick up a DP via expansion draft. Geovanni and Angel are also available.

    Conde was protected to keep the expansion teams from picking up his rights and negotiating a deal with him. According to his agent there was some interest in Conde from within MLS so I'm pretty sure he would be selected if available.

    The good thing is that both Lowry and Robinson may not be lost since teams call pull back one player as soon as one is selected.

  • In reply to Chow:

    We never trade with other teams!
    Did you notice how quickly Columbus, LAL, RSL, Colorado especially have retooled fast by trading for established MLS players?
    That is one of our biggest problems is sure we can get a good player but the MLS is different then other parts of the world...we made a big mistake or it will take DLC time to get used to the MLS.
    We need to start trading for established players!
    With the unprotected list we can see who is undervalued by their team if they are still around after the 2 new teams select.
    McCarty being unprotected is baffling!
    Also look at all the good vet plays Columbus left unprotected!
    Schelotto, Hejduk, Moffat, Padula, Oughton...etc
    These 2 new teams are better off then we are right now!
    They can be competitive right out of the gates like the Sounders were! :-(

  • In reply to smiley:

    The Crew are in a major re-building program and are not planning to bring back Schelotto, Hejduk, Padula, and Oughton so they left them unprotected.

    McCarty was a surprise but he's had a few run-ins with Hyndman so it's possible that played a part in the decision to leave him exposed.

    There are some good players available so both teams can probably field a pretty competitive side but I'm thinking they may look more like Philadelphia than Seattle in their first years.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Question: Will Robert Warzycha be coaching in 2011 with Columbus?

  • In reply to longoria3:

    Yes...considering they are dumping a ton of talent at the moment, presumably under his direction.

  • In reply to manyou07:

    Put back Ljungberg and Lowry back on the 11 protected list, would provide
    a solid starting lineup, putting Nyarko and Freddie on top.
    Would be a shame to lose Conde to another team (non MLS) after
    protecting him, could be a wasted spot.
    Losing Robinson could also hurt.
    The way the Busch thing went down should have been a clue on how the season was going to unfold.

  • In reply to cesba:

    Another sign of incompetence is giving away Busch when it is clear he had trade value. He is protected by San Jose.

  • In reply to Celt:

    That move's not looking good.

  • I wonder why expansion teams don't go out and try to win right away. You can get a good roster from that list. A roster that could succeed in this league.

  • How about Humo?

  • In reply to cesba:

    Humo is getting up there in dog-years and the dalmation guy tried a replacement mid-season. The replacement wasn't too keen on the fireworks, but Humo's probably not worth a spot on the list. I'd expect the new teams to be more interested in youth, and honestly - you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

  • In reply to Byron:

    nice!

  • dj, great idea, I would have never thought of that.

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