John gone? Maybe not... (UPDATED)

Turns out this episode is starting to take a little turn... 

Frank Klopas wasn't available today, so I just got off the phone with a source familiar with the situation regarding Collins John.  Here's what they had to say about the whole thing:

"We made an offer to Collins and he's considering it.  We're continuing the conversation with him as to whether or not he'll be a part of the club in 2010."

Also of relevance, as I type this (12:17 p.m. central time) John is participating in training with the rest of the Fire.  What to make of that?  God knows. 

In fact, God knows what to make of this whole situation.  Goff is usually very reliable with his reporting, which makes me believe that Collins is in fact gone.  At the same time, it is conceivable that Collins is still weighing the offer and that the Fire could come back with a contract more to his liking in the next couple of days.  We'll just have to wait and see.  Both sides seem to be doing a little bit of posturing for negotiations sake, so I doubt we'll get the whole truth until John signs or leaves.  One of the two will happen.  Eventually.  For now, there seem to be more questions than answers.  I'll continue working the phones to see if I can find anything else out.  Until then...

UPDATE -- According to Goff, John and the Fire have agreed upon a salary but not the amount of years on the contract.  John wants two years guaranteed while the Fire only wants to sign him to one.  Hopefully, the league will up the offer to meet John's demands.  This guy should be a big time MLS player and likely would be worth the extra year.  If the league really doesn't want to go to two years, maybe they can consider upping the one-year salary.  Bottom line is, they need to sign John up.  The current group of strikers is not enough to get it done and signing an impact player like John should be the team's (and therefore the league's) number one priority right now. 

I'll try and update the situation as best I can.  Unfortunately, I'm in class for the next three hours... Bear with me. 



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  • Great job Sam.. will be watching this.

    He seems like a stud, and if he's got some speed, it would be a big improvement over the slow developing play of the past couple years.

  • Thanks for the info Sam.

    Let us know if you hear anything else! I really hope they get Collins signed. He seems like the type of player we could use, and has looked good by all accounts in preseason.

  • Yeah, ya do Sam!

    We know we're gonna beat DC on the field this year, nice to see us beating them on the beat as well. ;-)

  • Sam you really need to stop letting classes get in the way of the important stuff.

  • In reply to scottwburt:

    Agreed. I don't let my classes get in the way of reading this blog.

  • In reply to scottwburt:

    Thanks for keeping up with this. I'm on pins and needles here!

  • Just wanted to say thanks for updating us on the info man! Really appreciate it

  • Why again should we guarantee two years to John when he has been a total headcase these last 3 seasons? What is to say that once he has two years guaranteed he just won't flake out again? His talent is incredible but there is a reason why the Fire put him on trial instead of signing him right away. Guy has had problems, the Fire need to be prudent in this case considering the kind of cap albatross he could become.

  • In reply to merwin:

    I completely agree that signing John is a risk for the Fire. However, at some point, if you want to win a championship, you have to take risks like this. Without John, I don't think the Fire has the necessary (forgive me here...) firepower at forward to win the MLS Cup. With him, I think they do and thus I think the potential benefit of signing him outweighs the risk that he'll fail. That's just me though.

    Also (and I understand I'm probably being a bit of a naive optimist here), I think John may have turned a corner. From everyone I've talked to about him, he's getting along well with his teammates and working hard. Could that change? Yes. But don't forget about McBride. The two were teammates during the best years of John's career and he could have a nice little affect on his possible striker partner.

  • In reply to SamuelStejskal:

    At his last team, KSV Roeselair, he signed a two year deal and then flaked out in less than 6 months (he was released in Dec of 09). Plus we do need to consider the cap implications of his signing in case he doesn't work out. What are they? I'm unsure as to how the MLS cap works when it comes to releasing a player who has guaranteed dollars owed to him.

    I agree the Fire really could use his talent but due to the salary cap the team needs to be prudent with their dollars. I would feel a bit better about guaranteeing him two years if his cap hit went away after release. I am assuming a $400,000/year contract.

  • In reply to merwin:

    Salary cap, shmalary cap, we have allocation cash this year, we may not have it next year. That may be why we cannot give him a guaranteed 2 year deal. Ramon Morales may also be an outside problem.

  • In reply to SamuelStejskal:

    Firepower? I like it.

  • In reply to SamuelStejskal:

    C'mon, Klopas, you stingypants, cough up the extra year! Take the stupid risk!

  • In reply to merwin:

    wow this is great news. You pretty much ruined my day when you said that he was headed back to Europe so lets just hope we get it together and sign this guy! I watched a "classic" game on FSC the other day and saw him score a couple goals... THIS GUY IS OUR TICKET!

  • In reply to merwin:

    I'm surprised the Fire want only one year. I would have thought they wanted 3 years. This guy will be one of our best players if he is signed. The talent is there, he is 24 years old and is out to prove himself again. You dont go from Europe to the MLS because you want to. You come here because you have to. He cant find a club there so he is coming here. We got lucky enough that he knew some people here and wants to be here. He will be a game changer if he is with us. There isnt another player on our team that is a game changer. He was a double digit goal scorer in the greatest league in the world a couple of years ago. He should already be on the roster.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    I agree, Joe. I understand that it will be a risk signing John, but unless FK has another striker queued up, what else can the Fire do? Bottom line, this is a great chance and Chicago should take it.

  • In reply to Rubberbandman189:

    "*The Insider has learned that the Chicago Fire has reached a tentative contract agreement with Collins John, the Dutch forward who on Tuesday had considered ending his trial and pursuing opportunities in Europe."

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