Why most African-Americans could care less about animal rights

This is indeed the definition of a hot button topic: Animal rights. I go back and forth with my friends and Facebook friends about Michael Vick and dog fighting.

As I've debated with people about it I started to notice that the people who are pro-Vick were 99% black and anti-Vick people were 99.5% white. So I started thinking why I feel the way I do and why my anti-Vick friends feel the way they do. It might have to do with ethnic background, location, and your perception of dog fighting. Personally, where I grew up dog fighting wasn't considered a bad
thing (I wasn't involved in it BTW).

Due to recent events, I started to wonder why most African-Americans weren’t involved with animals’ rights groups. I think it may have to do the perception that the people in these groups have. It seems that these people treat dogs and other animals better than they their fellow man. I posted a picture on my Facebook page from an animal rights group during hurricane Katrina rescuing dogs on a charter bus. When I saw that picture my first reaction was that there were plenty of people who were face down in Lake Pontchartrain who could've used a lift.
A lot of us blacks felt like these groups are not any different from the tea party. We feel that the sentence that Michael Vick got was harsh. The animal rights people can say whatever they want but until they change their image a certain segment of the population isn't trying to hear it.

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  • If you think that what Vick did is OK, you're despicable. Animals deserve to be treated with respect, as do people. You're not really making a great argument here, besides making an assumption based on your limited worldview. But from what i'm reading, you're saying its OK to be cruel to animals based on your race, and that's crap and you know it.

  • In reply to Ed Deline:

    Amen, brother.

  • I never said it was ok. I previously stated that I never got involved in dogfighting or said it was ok. Of course animals should be treated with respect my point is when did animals get treated better than people? And I never said that it was ok to be cruel to animals. Go back and re read what I posted. I said how animal rights are perceived by some in our community. i never said it was right it is a perception. There's a difference.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    Animals started getting treated better than people when people themselves became animals and started killing each other over senseless BS. Animals are helpless and defenseless. People are not.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    With all due respect Evan, reading your article gives me the impression that you feel that animal rights groups have an obligation to look after people.

    "We feel that the sentence that Michael Vick got was harsh. The animal rights people can say whatever they want but until they change their image a certain segment of the population isn't trying to hear it."

    I strongly disagree with you. Mr. Vick is still making millions, playing football and living an excellent quality of life. Countless dogs were still choked to death by his own hands, or grabbed by their hind legs, slammed against the ground repeatedly until their brains and skulls were finally, slowly and painfully crushed until death. This behavior is characteristic of a serial killer, or a person with sociopathic tendencies.

    As far as busloads of dogs vs. people, the ACLU is responsible for people. The NAACP is responsible for people. PETA and ASPCA are responsible for animals. If the African-American community has issues with the lack of help or service from responsible groups, then they should pressure the appropriate groups to do more, vs. displaying jealousy and resentment towards other groups. Until the African-American community can show the rest of the United States that they actually know how to be human, and not slam man's best friend into the ground until their head pops, because they are no longer profitable, they will continue to be treated as poorly as the animals they "care" for.

  • In reply to Freshbrood:

    Whoa!! Wait a minute if we are not humans what are we in your world??

  • My only take-away from this article is that a mind IS a terrible thing to waste.

  • In reply to skelly:

    I agree.

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    In reply to Evan Moore:

    skelly meant you stupid.

  • In reply to Drew:

    Personal attacks aren't needed here. Only adults.

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    I agree with your final statement. I myself am very involved in animal welfare, specifically anti horse slaughter and am against BLM roundups. I have noticed with groups; PETA especially, that it seems to be more about publicity and shock than any kind of animal welfare. People do not want to watch endless film on the torture and mutilation of animals. They also do not want to see "artistic" photographs of naked human beings impaled with spikes (as the most recent anti-bullfighting campaign advertises itself). I think in the end, human beings would rather not bother with most animal rights groups because they think they are all extremists. They don't realize that it is okay to be someone who consumes meat and be all for animal rights. It's not just blacks who felt Vick's sentence was harsh, and similarly, there are many blacks who feel his sentence was not enough. Very well written, Mr. Moore.

  • In reply to Shauna E:

    Thank you.

  • I just hope that all the poor starving dogs with chains embedded into the flesh around their necks and all the cats facing the neighborhood halloween abuses and deaths find a way out of your neighborhood so 'we', the people whose image is so repulsive, can help them before someone else uses the lame 'image' excuse? I'm sure religion has a lot to do with it also since anything non-human in the bible is fit only for sacrifice and labor which IS what is taught in the african-american community?

  • In reply to chicagoguy:

    I would like ' you' people to come into these neighborhoods and venture south of Roosevelt and change the culture. Change the thinking.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    I'm afriad that the culture and thinking will never change. There are too many churches and politicians in their neighborhoods to keep them poor and unable to think on their own - unfortunately?

  • In reply to chicagoguy:

    I agree with you on that.

  • Thanks!

  • Your comment about the Tea Party is also a great 'tell' that you are just parroting the ideas and views of other black people (obama and the black politicians) who are deathly afraid of a new political party since the 2011 slaughter by 'we the people'?
    I'm an independent and who cares what race I am, since I don't use it as an excuse for anything. The Tea Party is not democrat and not republican and is against big government and big spending which is 'evil' because - why? You should just let obama and jesse jackson write your blog if you're not going to voice your 'own' opinions - if you have any?

  • In reply to chicagoguy:

    I'm a libertarian. I'm leaning towards Ron Paul. And about opinions keep reading my friend.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    You're still just writing afro-centric' articles though, interlaced with inferred excuses for people like Michael Vick? The dogs who were rescued by the 'bad image' folks are doing fine, by the way, and are nice dogs -which, ironically, is the reason they were being tortured and killed by Vick and associates. But as long as they have an excuse and someone to write it out for them, it will just continue - ad infinitum? I don't intend to be mean btw, I just can't let someone excuse the abuse and torture of the innocents.

  • In reply to chicagoguy:

    I don't want to turn this into a drawn out tit for tat political discussion, but your assertions regarding the tea party are simply groundless...and in fact in conflict with reality. This is nothing more than the Christian Right with a fancy new name. The size or spending habits of the Government may be the issues that get you riled up, but let me (and more importantly empirical research) assure you, religion, immigration, and race are the issues fueling the Tea Party Movement.

  • There's only one conclusion that can be drawn from this article:

    In the upcoming race-war, animals will probably unite with white people.

  • In reply to gwill:

    Thanks for reinforcing stereotypes.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    You're just mad because you know giraffes, turtles and pandas will be fighting alongside Whitey.

  • In reply to gwill:

    Ha ha sarcasm rears it ugly head.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    For the record (and for the ladies), I ain't ugly.

  • In reply to gwill:

    Seriously FUNNY lol.

    As far as MY "image" as an animal rights worker...I couldn't care less what anyone thinks about it. I also give my time and $$ to literacy, food, and health programs for under-served people in the city of Chicago. Drawing conclusions based on how someone looks or their choice of social issues is just dumb.

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    In reply to Evan Moore:

    Pot......Kettle......Black.

  • The proper headline should read
    "Why most African-Americans couldn't care less about animal rights"
    "could care less" is the wrong way to say what you are trying to say..
    This is not to be taken as an insulting reply, it is proper English...
    Literally, "could care less" means that you might care a little, and could care a little less that you already do.. on the other hand, "couldn't care less" means you simply don't care at all, not even a hint, therefore, you really couldn't care less.
    FYI

  • In reply to saratnig:

    Grammatical error

  • In reply to saratnig:

    I always disagree when people state that's the "proper" way to state that. Maybe he DOES mean that he could possibly care less than he already does. It's like saying someone is ugly but could be uglier. I don't believe your way is right or his way is wrong. It depends on how he meant it.

  • In reply to Shamontiel:

    Your'e really reaching with that explanation.

  • In reply to Shamontiel:

    exactly.

  • In reply to saratnig:

    darn it, saratnig, you beat me to it! You are of course correct.

  • I am white and I an pro-animal rights. I think what Vick did was awful, but I also understand that not all cultures feel the same about all issues. I also think people can change and I am glad that he was picked up by a team and I'm glad he is doing well in the NFL. I don't think you can look at him and say "he's a bad person who will never change." What I hope is that the black community will see him change how he treats animals and will realize that it is wrong to injure a living being for fun.

    I think the treating of animals better than humans is a different debate because even amonst white people that is a bit of a hot topic. The reason I feel sympathy for mistreated and aboandoned animals isn't that I think they deserve better than humans, but that an animal didn't cause the problems he faces and can't do anything about them. Humans of all races have over-bred animals and left them on the street in a society that doesn't allow for animals to roam free and we've destroyed the wild that they would otherwise retreat to. We euthanize animals every day because we over-populated the species. Yes humans have their own problems, but a human can ask for help. A human can learn how to live a better life, get a better job and have the things they need to make them happy. It might be hard, but it is possible. A dog is helpless. We domesticated them, overbred them, then killed them because there are too many of them. We left them no wild land on which to hunt and live, and then we punished them for that. However, if it came down to a decision to save my dog or my husband, obviously I would choose my husband. The way I see it, when it comes down to it, humans do win, but it's a slim margin.

    Also, PETA is mostly full of crazies. This is why I support the HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) and the ASPCA (American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals).

  • In reply to cybermonkey:

    Finally a sane response and for the record I am a black woman. Been an animal lover and advocate for most of my life. In my lifetime hopefully my views on animal rights have sparked others in the way they view other living things on this planet.

  • The correct phrase should be 'couldn't care less'. And while that is not a totally true assessment, we do love our animals as much as any other group of people do; But its hard to be concerned to the point of political involvement about the rights of animals. when our own rights appear to be in constant peril. How does one compare the crimes of Michael Vick to the crimes of John Burge?

    How does one compare the outrage or lack thereof attached to the crimes? If I oppose dog fighting,should I also oppose horse racing? Bull fighting? Beta fish fighting? Boxing? Wrestling? Combat sports?

  • In reply to B K Ray:

    It's not about comparing crimes against animals to crimes against people. It's about standing up for what you believe in. Just because someone is passionate about animal rights doesn't mean they think John Burge is a good guy. Oppose or don't oppose whatever you want. Just stop judging those of us who fight for animal rights.

  • What this made me think of was like likelihood of a white person participating in groups for equality of race VS. being an active member of a group that helps animals. One would hope that people care more about people than they do animals, but I have a feeling that a white person would be more comfortable helping an animal in distress than giving their time to fight for the rights of the black people in America. Interestingly, white people probably have more power to fight for their fellow man than to help the multitudes of sick/abandoned animals. However, that would take a great force to examine one's own life and privileges, which is not an easy choice to make. It is easier to blame a person for their problems than it is to blame an animal. As a white person, it was difficult to find the honesty and integrity to realize that the system of racism has not only given me advantages in life, but it has taken away rights of others to give me those advantages.

    I love animals, but when it comes down to fair treatment of humans VS. animals, I'm going to side with humans.

  • OK why are African Americans under represented in other environmental groups. How may African-Americans are in the Sierra Club, WWF, etc. So its not just PETA but other animal rights and environmental groups as well. I'm going to bat that African Americans are under represented when it comes to pet ownership. I think a lot of that has to do with income levels and the decline of the black family. Michael Vick just signed a 100M contract not exactly harsh

  • In reply to ironmik:

    Like I said. Perception

  • Okay, I definitely have to weigh in on this one. First of all, I am absolutely without a shadow of a doubt an advocate for animal rights. I have been a vegetarian for the past 7 years for that reason alone--I don't think it's cool to eat anything with eyes. I'm also a 13-year dog owner and love my parents' current dog ALMOST as much as my childhood dog. I don't know about your "most African-Americans" part in this opinion piece, but I will say that I have found black folks to be more sympathetic with Vick. I don't think they so much DON'T sympathize with the dogs. Their issue is how viciously he's STILL being treated.

    However, I didn't say much when he was first convicted. I thought it was dumb that he would still be doing dogfighting with all that loot. It just seemed like greed. I grew up in a neighborhood (Brainerd Park) where I knew a lot of black dog owners, but I don't recall EVER running into one person who participated in dogfighting, and I was surrounded by drug dealers, gang bangers and (unfortunately) one childhood friend who is currently locked up for rape. So, whenever I hear people say things about how this stuff happens all the time in the hood, my first thought is not in mine. Out of all the ridiculous things I was exposed to as a child, the one I can 100% say I never laid eyes on or even knew anybody who had one was a dogfight.

    Now when I heard the details of what he did to these dogs, I had no sympathy for him. His bad. Moving on! What changed my mind was interviewing people from the Carroll Care Center and actually talking to guys who used to participate in dogfighting and hearing how much they really did not understand what they were doing was so wrong. IMO eating animals knowing they're tortured in slaughterhouses is just as bad as killing dogs. I'm not feeling either group. BUT I digress. Doing that interview and then watching Michael Vick on that BET reality show he starred in made me think, "This guy deserves a second chance."

    And I got over it. So while you may think that most black people don't care about animal rights, that's not true. There were some black dog owners around me who were repulsed by what he did. I can't speak for them now but I honestly wish people would get over it. I feel bad for the dogs, but there's nothing anybody can do about it now. And nothing blows my mind more than somebody chomping on a burger/porkchop/hot dog but talking about animal rights. Put all that energy into making slaughterhouses illegal and get off Vick's arse.

    I'm congratulating him on his current deal and wish him the best of luck. The decision he made was idiotic, but he served his time. Let that man breathe.

  • In reply to Shamontiel:

    Thanks for the adult input. A lot of the people who responded to this could learn from you.

  • I think its just a cultural difference. I'm African American and have known other African American dog owners and they love their dogs no doubt but the white people I know have a different passion about their dogs, its not bad or to say anything less about African American dog owners but they see it differently. Maybe because I'm from a south side area where African Americans had a lot of aggresive dogs, I'm pretty sure they didn't use those dogs for fighting but it was cool to have a rotweiler, pit bull or other mean dog. While most white people I know would have have a German Shepard, nothing meaner than that.
    Like I said all of these dog owners were respectful, loved their dogs and treated them well, no abuse or neglect at all but its just one of those differences of culture.
    So we see Mike Vick and his issue as wrong but as African Americans, we forgive him and know how some of "us" can be with mean dogs, while people not exposed to that culture don't see it that way.

  • In reply to Shadasious:

    Thank you!! This is what I am trying to get across to people.

  • I do not get the point of this article. I guess you're saying that caring about animals and valuing human life are mutually exclusive and that animal rights workers have a bad "image." That being said, I couldn't care less what you think.

  • In reply to vonarb:

    Thank you for the insight.

  • The racial divide was almost identical in the O.J. Simpson verdict.
    What exactly would you attribute that to?

  • dog fighters are the same as tea party members? you are a racist pig. i also find it funny that you say until animal rights activists change their image no one will listen to them. i feel the same way about people that make excuses for blacks behavior.

  • In reply to coleda:

    Thank you for your opinion.

  • "When I saw that picture my first reaction was that their plenty of people who were face down in Lake Pontchatrain who could've used a lift."

    "We feel that the sentence that Micheal Vick got a harsh ."

    This post is, undoubtedly, the most poorly written article I have ever seen.

    Based on your insight and literary prowess, I can clearly understand why your are an avid sports fan and a Ron Paul supporter.

    Graduate student? Indeed.

    "The animal rights people can say whatever they want but until they change their image a certain segment of the population isn't trying to hear it."

    Change starts in your very own backyard. Let's review 50 years of crime statistics. Shall we?

  • In reply to Racaille:

    Thank you for your opinion. There will be plenty more entries to come.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    We can only hope that your graduate program is not in English.

  • In reply to Racaille:

    Now you are nitpicking. Stay on task with entry please.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    Sorry, it's not nitpicking. Your 'grammatical errors' are distracting, and, like it or not, give an impression, right or wrong, of your intellect. It truly is a sad indictment on colleges today in general,(I know, I'm a professor, and I admit that most of our graduates are lacking in writing/grammatical skills) and Hampton University in particular.

  • In reply to khamari:

    You are correct and he is wrong to refer to his mistakes as "grammatical errors." The errors of expression that his posts are full of are usage errors.

    This isn't second grade where mistakes are tolerated as long as you can get an idea across. His writing is so garbled that it is often difficult to follow his train of thought.

    This kind of article is a perfect example of what you get when society tries to "help" some groups by not expecting much from them.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    No, this person is not nitpicking. I can forgive the language issues in comments but not for the blog entry. In order to effectively convey your point you need to clearly express it. There were some ideas in your entry that I just did not understand. I know you can do better, so please do so. I am hoping that you are hopefully just a lousy typist.

    I see this everyday on the job. The level of language and writing skills is sometimes disappointing. What is more disappointing is that this seen in graduates from both prestigious and the less prestigious colleges and universities.

  • While I am not a proponent of animal "rights", I dearly love animals and believe we should care for them.

    But perhaps the author needs a little history lesson from William Wilberforce, a very wealthy white man, and the greatest social reformer in history. There is more than a bit of irony in Mr. Evans comments with regard to Wilberforce who, quite frankly, should be front and center in Black History Month.

    William Wilberforce was responsible not only for finally abolishing slavery and the slave trade and slavery in the British Empire, he was also one of the founders of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA). Wilberforce was concerned about the treatment of ALL of God's creation, beginning with the plight of the African slaves. If it had not been for Wilberforce's tireless efforts in Great Britain, I doubt that slavery would have been abolished in the United States when it was.

    Read about Wilberforce here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce

    Mr. Evans should also know that there is a private African American university named after Wilberforce, Wilberforce University, located in Wilberforce, OH:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilberforce_University

    IHoward University in Washington, D.C. was also found by and named after a white Union hero, General Oliver Otis Howard. Did Mr. Evans know this? Howard was a Civil War hero, who was both the founder of the University and, at the time, Commissioner of the Freedmen's Bureau. Howard later served as President of the university.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_University

    Finally, Ray Nagin, the inept and cowardly mayor of New Orleans who hid out in a hotel while Katrina raged, did absolutely nothing to prepare and remove new Orleans' residents from this disaster.

    Mr. Evans' comments are uninformed and ignorant, and cannot be excused.

  • In reply to Jeanne:

    I know about Wilberforce. Also Howard. I went to Hampton University. You've missed my initial point.

  • In reply to Jeanne:

    Jeanne, you are certainly right that a history lesson is overdue!

    Here a a great webpage that clears up a lot of misconceptions about historically black colleges: http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/2009/04/republicans-founded-historically-black.html

    It is sad, but many people have no idea that most historically black colleges were founded and run by White Republicans. By the way, this includes Hampton which was founded by General Benjamin Butler and General Samuel Chapman Armstrong .

  • In reply to Jeanne:

    Jeanne, you are certainly right that a history lesson is overdue!

    Here a a great webpage that clears up a lot of misconceptions about historically black colleges: http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/2009/04/republicans-founded-historically-black.html

    It is sad, but many people have no idea that most historically black colleges were founded and run by White Republicans. By the way, this includes Hampton which was founded by General Benjamin Butler and General Samuel Chapman Armstrong.

  • In reply to rightright:

    Yep! I'm going to pass this along to my friends who give me shit for not being a democrat.

  • Mr. Moore

    you make an EXCELLENT point. Many animal rights activist seem cruelly apathetic to human suffering or any human plight happening under their own noses. For example, in movies or television, cruelly murdering anyone is emotionally blown off (i.e. the director doesn't intend for the audience to care about it) but heaven forbid someone's pet get injured. It is very strange that as humans some seem to care about other species more than the human species. This is not normal nor is it evident anywhere in the Animal Kingdom. Sorry, a cockroach isn't worried about a fly and a lion isn't fussing about some endangered fish.

    I personally think animal cruelty is horrible, but I also feel Vick was quite unfairly punished because of his undeniable football talent. I actually admire his determination to get back on his feet and succeed. He is not a role model for his crimes, but he is absolutely a role model for hard work and certainly, a form of repentance.

    Finally to be kind I feel I do have to tell you that your grammar really is atrocious- it distracts from your interesting ideas. Just one example: you used "their" when you meant to use "there are." It is hard to follow one's meaning when the reader truly puzzles over what the heck you're trying to say. A good writer sometimes intentionally uses bad grammar for stylistic purposes, but it is never used to distract from the meaning- it gives the meaning more punch.

  • In reply to Hejpadig:

    Yeah it was rushed . I wont let it happen again. Thanks for input.

  • In reply to Evan Moore:

    The word is won't.

    Which is a contraction of the phrase: will not.

    If you are going to attempt to convey an intellectual idea, you had better refine your writing skills.

  • In reply to Racaille:

    I agree. Thanks again for constructive criticism.

  • Interesting points made in this article. I recently adopted a dog with a "disabled" paw. While walking her in the progressive community of Evanston, I am CONSTANTLY stopped and asked about it. Some people are shocked to find out I am going to accept the word of 2 different vets who say nothing can be done, rather go from specialist to specialist or spend thousands on a prosthesis. What is ironic is that they are talking to a person who recently broke a hip and could not go to rehab or my own doctor for the required follow ups do to lack of insurance. I will walk for the rest of my life with a limp. In fact, it is amazing to me that sometimes I am standing there in pain myself answering all their questions while my dog is ABSOLUTELY not suffering at all. They are so wrapped up in the dog they are completely oblivious to my discomfort. I am an animal person myself, have never even spanked my pooch once since I got her, but there is a hypocrisy in the way we treat the critters vs. our fellow human. I am also convinced that with some extremists, the animals represent their wounded inner child. They think they are helping animals but what they are really trying to do is nurture their own inner hurt and make things more comfortable for their own psyches!

  • You might want to go a step further than simply observing the difference in demographics. Consider that statistically it has been shown that those who abuse animals as children go on to abuse humans as adults. I have seen young black children egg on puppies to fight. What does that portend for the future of those children if they think violence involving animals is acceptable?

    If African Americans are not concerned about dog fighting is that because they think it is OK? Or do they just not care? And if violence against animals fails to get a rise, what about violence against humans? Does that become just a part of the landscape, until it visits one's family?

    My take-away from this article is that the African American community may have a lot of self reflection to do if violence has become so common place that inflicting it upon animals is not a worry and the linkage with violence against humans is invisible.

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    Animals CAN do nothing to improve their lot. Blacks WILL do nothing to improve their lot and then blame exactly the people you are whining about. I am sick and tired of hearing how everything wrong with Black America is my fault and that I am not doing enough about it. Fuck that. Fuck it all. If Affirmative Action, welfare, make-work gubmint jobs, non-credentialed academic admissions and a half black President aren't enough, too bad. You will just have to do something constructive. And pull those damn pants up.

  • In reply to Ken Watson:

    I don't think someone is blaming you for anything sir.

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    In reply to Evan Moore:

    You need to keep up with the news.

  • In reply to Ken Watson:

    I do.

  • In reply to Ken Watson:

    And you sir need to get your facts somewhere other than the nightly news. Your generalization conveys the fact that you have not actually ventured into the Black community, but rely on the nightly 'perp walk' you see on the news, or the MISTAKEN belief that the majority of welfare recipients are Black, for information. You see a minority of a group, and take that to be the majority,or in your case, the entire group. Get the facts.

  • In reply to Ken Watson:

    The PETA trolls have nothing on this racist troll's rant. I knew the blog would illicit some stupid comments from the animal lovers and racists, but your post takes the cake.

    It's funny, but I must be reading the wrong newspaper 'cause I don't recall "Black America" blaming me for all their problems. What fine news organization are you getting your information from?

  • Mr. Moore, I understand your frustrations. I too am frustrated. It is found in places like Zimbabwe, Liberia, Haiti, Detroit ,etal...you get the picture. Did my own DNA tracking a few years ago. The one thing that WE ALL have in common is where WE ALL originated from. We are tribes with a color difference. And the lighter tribes have sacrificed more to darker tribes than any other tribe to any other. Time to figure it out, face truth and understand how evolution and culture plays into all this.

  • Your title is wrong - it's a colloquialism that people use incorrectly all the time. I believe you meant to say "Why most African Americans couldn't care less..." When you say they could care less, it means they care.

  • It was typo. Thanks for the input.

  • And you'll find most of what you're looking for in "Up From The Projects" by Prof. Walter Williams.

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    Dear Evan:

    That would be "couldN'T care less. That would mean they're at the bottom of their caring. If they could care less, they got some way to go.

  • It should be "couldn't care less," implying no degree of care. As in, "You couldn't care less about linguistics." "Could care less," implies some degree of care.

  • Are there any proofreaders for this site? This article is littered with basic grammatical and spelling errors. It comes across as if written by a 10 year old. Why in the hell is the Trib linking to this from their front page?

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    I really feel you are just confusing a huge number of things. Just because people cared about the animals during Katrina, didn't mean they didn't care about the people. Almost all of the animal rescues happened after the rescue of people. Human life was never put behind the rescue of animals. In addition, Michael Vick was not convicted of animal cruelty but made a deal and plead guilty to running a dog fighting business. He received a harsh sentence because his statements to the judge when he was asked to come clean about his involvement was found to be less than truthful. He has also admitted in a number of his community service opportunities that he only stopped being in dog fighting because he was caught. That does not seemed to be to be someone that is truly remorseful for his actions. I am heavily involved in animal rescue. I am also involved in social justice issues ranging from health care to education disparities in the Chicago area. I am just not sure what the purpose of your article was supposed to be. It appears that you took a large number of generalizations and misinformation and tried to make these into an article. I wonder how you feel about the report of the 16 and 24 year old brothers from the West side allegedly decapitating the german shepard puppy in the alley. Are their actions just because of their ethnicity? Are not all people outraged by such cruelty to a living creature?

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    One of my biggest pet peeves is gross generalization. And you open your article with a title that is nothing but that and with no facts to support the ridiculous claim.

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    I understand Mr Moore's point..however, I would hesitate to use it as foundation for ascribing a lack of concern for animal rights by just the African-American community. My views on Michael Vick are mixed. I believe his celebrity was a driving factor in the harshness of the sentence he received....his race, not so much, a white guy at his level of fame would have been subjected to the same vilification by the hard core animal rights crowd. I also believe this, Michael Vick has paid for his crime in full, past full. Those who would continue to to extract more "justice" need to re-evaluate themselves, not Mr. Vick. He will continue to bear this burden for the rest of his life. He's showing a lot of strength in dealing with the results of his actions, actions which undoubtedly have inflicted a huge emotional toll on him and his family.

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    In reply to Bill Wellman:

    I would agree with you statement that he was treated more harshly becausse of his celebrity. I also think that he has been punished and that he should be able to earn a living. But just because he has has been punished, doesn't mean that people have to like him. Anytime you say you are not a fan of Vick's, people seem to immediately want to jump up and say he should be forgiven because he did his punishment. I don't like him because I feel his actions showed a lack of moral character. I would probably have the same opinion of a non-famous person that had done the same thing.

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    In reply to kwh3:

    That is part of the price Mr. Vick will pay kwh3.....we are not in disagreement.

  • Connecting animal lovers and the teaparty pretty much proves that you are an ignoramus and a raging racist.

    By the way maybe the reason that 99% of black americans support Michael Vick is because of race and has nothing to do with anything else. Most black people would support a black Hitler simply because he was black, that by the way would be the definition of racist.

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  • @BigWay- Blacks supporting Vick because of his race is only one side of the story. it's also cultural. I know many Latinos who felt the same way. They do not view a dogs life in the same way that Caucasians do. I'm not going to generalize and say that all Blacks and Latinos feel this way, or that all Caucasians. want to save all dogs. With that said, treating the death of an animal on the same level as that of a human is absurd. What makes it ok to legally slaughter animals everyday for food consumption, and dog-fighting wrong? Is slaughtering animals for food less cruel? Is it only ok to kill the non-cute animals? I think most animal activists are misguided souls living in a fairy tale land where unicorns exist.

  • EVAN MOORE: "...expert in fact-based opinions". Seriously? Who credentialed you? Was that your major at Hampton? Serioulsy? An expert? I will be more apt to believe that once you are an expert at saying things correctly ("...could care less...")

  • I would certainly like to see some pictures of that "hot bottom" you mentioned in the first sentence. Why don't you post a picture of the "hot bottom" on your Facebook page?

    I waded through 4 paragraphs hoping for more about that "hot bottom" but it was all unrelated, whiny nonsense.

    Please update this post with a nice big picture of the "hot bottom!"

  • Evan, I just wanna say I'm impressed with how you handled the overload of shameful and disrespectful commentary. Look assholes-you can disagree with a person's point of view, opinions etc.-but your POV is not validated nor argument strengthened, by unfairly calling into question your "opponent's" intellect. "What school did you go to?" "Who taught you to write?" I would have responded with-"Fuck you". Or you could have responded with questions of your own...like-"who taught you manners?" or "When where and how did you develop your smug/self-righteous attitude?" This isn't the Chicago Tribune people. Evan isn't paid to know the Blue Book of Grammatical Rules cover to cover. Also-if you find his writing doesn't meet your (holier than thou) standards-you're free to take your eyes somewhere else.

    Lastly-

    While I personally feel you may be generalizing somewhat in your feelings regarding this issue-it's certainly an interesting/fair topic for discussion.

    Be Good Man-and I look forward to reading your work from here on out.

    Steve

  • I've often thought that all the money and effort spent on animals could be put to better use helping people. On the other hand how one treats animals in their care says a lot about a persons character.

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    In reply to Holly88:

    I think this totally sums up how I feel about the issue. Well said.

  • I am one who does not think Michael Vick was treated too harshly. And further more i think that his new found warm and fuzzy feelings toward animals is for good publicity only. The most disturbing thing for me in this whole mess is that although i believe skin color is only skin color, it what you say is true, than i am wrong. If a certain group thinks that torturing a helpless animal is good sport and a fun thing to do, than that group is indeed different. We are not the same..I am not religious, but am a firm believer in the golden rule. .An earlier poster made a connection between the acceptance of violence to animals in the AA community and the often violent lives led. Sounds politically incorrect on the surface.But who knows.

  • There is a difference in how a certain group of people feel regarding animals vs another group..I have seen certain porn that's convinced me that one of the groups mentioned above 'loves' its animals more then it should perhaps...to each his own.

    Online there is always a black vs white issue/argument going on,.when the world IS NOT all black and white, and nor are most opinions..I think Vick was wrong, but I also know there is a thickness in the air AUTOMATICALLY when it comes to people of color making mistakes/bad choices, i mean you can almost 'SEE' some peoples BP rise!

    Is it racism?, self-righteousness? (sp) some deep seated issues 'some' folks cant seem to shake?..I don't know, but read ANY comment section online regarding a culprit being black, and then go back and read the comments when the culprit is white, the white guys comment section will mention how despicable he is, but with NO mention of his race...case in point::..black man kills 8 people...weeks later a white man does it..now imagine which postings were more hatefu/vitriolic?..why are the dead whites less dead because a white guy slaughtered them?..I 'll bet the victims of both of those losers would have preferred if they had instead shot every dog/cat/bird in the neighborhood, and allowed them (victims)to live.

    You Americans dont seem to like each other very much, especially when it comes to race..too bad.
    from winners..to whiners.

  • Your title for this post is misleading. Although it's called "Why most African-Americans could care less about animal rights," you don't actually provide any reason why most African-Americans could care less about animal rights other than that it comes down to "perception." Wow. That's enlightening. Why don't Republicans and Democrats get along? Perception. Why is there fighting in Libya? Perception. Yes, you've pointed out that there might be a social component, but don't act as if that's a "reason."

  • When people try to tell me that race and culture are more important than civilized behavior and the rule of law, they sound an awful lot like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, and Bull Connor.

  • The usage "I could care less" is equally acceptable as "I couldn't care less." One is ironic, the other literal. In either case, the meaning of the speaker/writer is unmistakeable. It is not a grammatical error to use either phrase, as there is no rule that writing must always be literal.

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    Along with things like Blacks having higher crime rates, figures like 73% of black children born in the USA were born to unmarried mothers and being politically INCORRECT ( this will probably be censored)............this is another reason why many people don't like Blacks.

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    too bad the editor didn't catch that the title is wrong -- should be "could not care less" -- could care less is wrong.

  • It seems like a socio-economic issue. I think more African Americans grow up desensitized to violence and criminal activity. I heard a statement on Sports Center that a poll of professional athletes revealed they believed Michael Vick would be judged less harshly if he was white. Really? Ben Rothlisburger? I don't know one person who doesn't think he is a *bag! I think white people are less forgiving of Criminals in general. I think all professional athletes have been coddled and their bad behavior overlooked to further a universities sports program, or to make a professional team more money. If most of these athletes, black or white, weren't professional athletes they would be treated nuch more harshly by the judicial system. Not to mention getting a job after release! So yes. I judge Michael Vick harshly. As I would any criminal who shows seriously anti-social behavior!

  • Evan Moore - that has to be one of the most terrible, shameful commentaries I have ever read in my life! I am stunned to read anyone excusing the torture of animals.
    This commentary confirms the truth that many racial and ethnic stereotypes are to a large extent true. Yes, too many Italian Americans are involved in organized crime, too many privately celebrate the power and culture of the Mafia. Too many Irish Americans abuse alcohol. Too many upper middle class WASPs hide out on their country club golf courses and don't fight political corruption and crime in our cities.
    And way, WAY too many Black African Americans are selfish, low lifes who embrace the backward street culture where "bad means good" - these low life Black African Americans reject most everything positive, decent in middle class American values - marriage, honest work, treating women and the elderly with kindness and respect - and caring for animals in a loving way.
    I think the Black African American comedian Chris Rock said it best:

    There are two types of Black people in America:
    Black people and N(*$&#@

    You Evan Moore are one of the lowest, low life N($*&#$# I've ever had the misfortune to come across. May you receive the disrespect that you deserve - cab drivers will not pick you up, waitresses will refuse to serve you, Korean grocers will follow up around expecting to catch you shop lifting and all decent Americans, Black, White and others will turn away from you in disgust as the lowest of the low lifes.

  • This is one worst articles I have ever read on Chicago Now. If you goal was 'hits' then you win. I just hope you dont feel that you may have compromised something here to achieve page views. That said, whats so moronic about this article is that your brining dogs health and well being into a discussion about race. At its most basic level, its about the treatment of animals. I dont understand why people feel the need to bring race into it. Throwing a dog into a swimming pool and forcing it swim around until it dies or beating or starving an animal has nothing do with culture or race. Unless your referring to the culutre of a psychopath.

    This is irresponsible on so many levels. With the litany of issues you could discuss regarding race relations, this is a joke.

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    Laws in the US to protect animals were passed before laws to protect women were passed. A long time before actually. But the dog and cock fighting that should be illegal throughout the US are "indicators". First of all they are a metaphor for the violence and pain for entertainment that we should have evolved beyond that existed when 'Christians were tossed to the lions' in Rome. More importantly these celebrations of death, cruelty and pain are tied very closely to highly illegal activities. Gangs, drugs, hits, prostitution and even human trafficking have been tied to these dog fights. If we want to see two animals savage each other then it would be more honorable to watch boxing where the combatants can consent. I wonder if in your survey you happened to ask a lot of black people who were die-hard (pun intended) football fans. My family is black and the common response from the young men is "he paid for his crime, put it away". My response is that it makes me sick at my stomach that he was involved in anything where the pain of another of God's creatures was giving men chubbies and putting green in their wallets.

  • I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but I felt compelled to chime in on this topic. Taking into consideration that all cultures/communities have their own beliefs and rituals which may differ greatly from region to region (and be a very beautiful thing), violence is still violence no matter where in the world you are. You state in your piece that “where I grew up dogfighting wasn't considered a bad thing”and I respect that your culture/community differs from mine, but I ask you where do you draw the line? If young people where you grew up are being taught that it’s okay to train animals to be violent and are learning celebrate as they kill each other, then isn’t your culture/community essentially condoning the concept of violence from an early age? It seems to me (without being too stereotypical) that neighborhoods where this type of activity would occur have the highest rates of violent crime. I know there are many other factors associated with the high crime rate like poverty, gangs, etc. But it makes me sad to think that young children are being told that this is okay. Where does it end? It’s not a coincidence that serial killers like Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz and Jeffery Dahmer all tortured animals as children, then grew up an projected those feelings onto humans. The cycle of violence only ends when good people stand up and say enough is enough, then teach their children that there is a better way. I say shame on them.
    As for your assertion that somehow human life was less important than animal life during Katrina, I think you’re barking up the wrong tree (pun intended). Katrina was a cluster-f#*% at every governmental level….local, state and federal and animal rights groups cannot be blamed. That’s a cop-out. You say that a picture of an animal rights group rescuing animals bothered you because humans could’ve used the help instead. I respect that it bothered you, but of all the pictures that were generated from that event, how is it possible that you focused on this one? I seem to recall countless amounts of pictures and video footage, of violence and looting that occurred during the aftermath. Why didn’t these images bother you? Did you not see them? You take the stance of a spokes-person in your blog, representing an entire demographic of people. How about you use that platform to say WTF? Stop the violence and help each other! Instead you’re upset with an organization that arrived at a catastrophe to fulfill its own mission statement…wow, way to be courageous! The irony and hypocrisy of all of your nonsense is that search and rescue dogs used during the aftermath of Katrina and were brought into to find survivors in the very neighborhoods where their lives are considered less. They were there to help and that’s more than I can say for the opportunist (humans) who made the conscious choice to be violent and steal rather than pitch in and help. You state that “It seems that these people treat dogs and other animals better than they their fellow man.”Maybe you should worry less about how dog lovers treat their dogs and start challenging the people in your community to treat each other as human beings.
    Next time a young man/woman in your culture/community wants to participate in violence for the sake of entertainment, show them that they can make a difference in the world by putting the same amount of effort into training a dog for the good of all men & women. And next time there’s a disaster and rescue dogs are on the scene to help before the members of your community are, ask yourself who really respects human life more…. Here’s a link to all of the good that can be accomplished when the focus shifts into a different direction…
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/11/dog-heroes-a-look-at-hero_n_957431.html#s357185&title=_Italy_Canine

  • In my opinion, it's not that Blacks could care less about animal rights. It doesn't matter what the crime is, the anger from Blacks that require them to defend Michael Vick is because they see those who prosecuted him as the enemy, be it an enemy that is not thought of with pure hate, but strong dislike none the less. Basically the feeling is that European Americans pretty much do not have the right to prosecute anyone of African ancestry. Had Pete Rose been Black, we all would have been reading for years how the determination to keep him out of the Hall of Fame was race based. Articles like this one by the thousand would have lined our websites and newspapers. But since Pete Rose is European American, he gets not even a whimper or thought at all from the Black community. Nor does the fact that European Americans can ban one of their own as many Blacks see Pete Rose, make any difference in proving that race plays no part in these rulings. Race will always come up and false accusations will always be thrown. But clear thinking Americans know they have no relevance.

  • Also the fact of what you say about the Tea Party, which I do not belong to, but know some that are, also shows that you are being influenced by racism. Very sad, but not surprising.

  • I think you mean COULDN'T care less. You lost credibility with that.

  • Hi Evan,
    Thank you so much for addressing this issue! I'm white / female and my small animal welfare (spay/neuter program) nonprofit has been tip toeing around this cultural hot topic. Your perspective is so helpful - and judging by many of the comments after your essay, white animal activist seem to be working hard to earn their ridicule.

  • (edit) "humane", not human. Apologies.

    Still- you get the point. Stop making excuses for poor behavior. Your bad attitude of blame and lack of ownership or responsibility for the actions of people in your community are what hold them back- not non-black racism. Look man, I've done many shitty things in my life, and so have many of "my people". I don't make excuses for them, or blame others.. I tell them to KNOCK IT OFF, GROW UP, & BEHAVE. If your kid's a bully, you don't blame the victim for making himself a target- YOU REPRIMAND YOUR CHILD, & TEACH HIM TO VALUE & RESPECT ALL LIFE. So why on earth do you make excuses for the bullying and cruelty amongst black people towards animals? "White people don't care about us, so we don't give a shit about animals.." Seriously Evan?? I hope you don't have kids..

  • Final point.

    Two human beings engaged in combat sports have both made a WILLING CHOICE to engage in such activites.

    Fighting animals are slaves who are tortured to death. Itis a fact that animals display emotion, joy and fear. They fight for survival out of fear, not pleasure.

    Any "person" who refuses to see or understand this is either 1) Callous, or 2) Lacking empathy or the ability to do so, thus, lacking a vital component of what makes mankind human. Compassion and rational though. Choose to live like animals, or choose to deserve the same compassion you give. Stop blaming, & take responsibility. Grow up.

    It's difficult to want to help such an arrogant group of people who refuse to admit their own sins, & feel as if the world owes them something.

  • In reply to Freshbrood:

    Like I said of course it is not right for dogs to be fighting each other. My main point is of all the things that go on in a community dog fighting is way down the list of things considered taboo. It's not right it's just the reality of things.

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