Chick-fil-A: Christian values or no, Dan Cathy needs to go as CEO.

There has been a lot of hullabaloo in the press and on social media recently about Chick-fil-A. It seems CEO Dan Cathy is personally against the rights of homosexual Americans to be able to marry. Since this issue is so polarizing in America right now, certainly folks lined up on both sides of the issue to have an opinion about a corporate CEO being so open about not only his stance personally but to be so obvious about the way it influences his decision making as CEO of the company.

As pointed out in the Chicago Tribune, Cathy was quoted in the Baptist Press on July 16th as saying he espoused "the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that."

I've pointed out in other blog posts why Gay Marriage is an important moment for the Christian faith in the West, indeed for Religion in general. For that reason, it may not be a surprise that I would write an article calling for Dan Cathy to be removed as CEO of Chick-fil-A, but I assure you it is not for the reason you might think.

In fact, there is much about the Cathy family's legacy as business owners in modern America that I think is worthy of praise. There are desicions the leadership of the company adhere to that stem from the personal religious convictions of the leadership that make good business sense. For example, I'm sure it is not easy to justify not being open on Sundays to some who would point to all the money they are NOT making by being closed on that day.

But even if looked at from a non-religious point of view, one could say that there are potentially good reasons to make it a policy that franchise stores are all closed at least one day per week - reducing employee fatigue, cutting overhead costs, reducing turn-over, making shift scheduling easier... these are all reasons non-religious people could get behind a corporate decision that has an origin in religious adherence. This is a good example of how a person of faith can allow their religious convictions to inform good business practice in an acceptable way.

But what Dan Cathy has done by attempting to associate his Chick-fil-A brand with a stance on the question of the moral fortitude of legally allowing same-sex couples to marry is just bad business and any other company would recognize this and bring in new leadership, regardless of family ties or claimed religious affiliation. It is bad business because there is no way a non-religious person could observe a CEO try to make such sweeping claims about the people who work at his company and to infer that it does not infringe upon the rights of any of their customers, employees, or business partners and justify that it could be good for business.

I suppose it could be argued that the message resonates with a particular demographic they are trying to reach or that "no press is bad press." Those arguments are way on the outside and could probably be dismissed as good business if data could be shown about the numbers of customers lost vs. the loyalty of existing customers or new customers gained. Plus, they are all married to their first wives? Everyone in the company? That doesn't ring true with national divorce statistics at all.

Is it wrong for Alderman Moreno to deny Chick-fil-A a zoning change request? Some folks think so.

Similar actions are being taken in Boston and protests have been scheduled at chains nationwide.

Is it employment descrimination when a company dismisses consideration of a candidate simply because that candidate does not publicly claim to hold a particular religious belief? The elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about is that until somebody infringes upon Chick-fil-A's rights as a company and gets them on record refusing to consider a candidate for exactly that reason, we would never know if they were doing so.

The question isn't about what the company's official policy says, the question is about what kind of behavior the internal corporate culture germinates. Were women passed over for promotion in the past at certain companies as per policy or culture?

There are so many other reasons not to consider a candidate or to pass them over for promotion that it becomes easy to simply blame it on something else until a real viable challenge in public is found and such a case has not emerged. But who's job is it to set the tone of the culture of a company? Who else besides the CEO?

The question I keep coming back to is "what does Dan Cathy's personal view on gay marriage have to do with zoning rights for a franchise of his company?"

My answer? Everything. The CEO is the leader of a company - there is no "off the clock" time for these leaders. Statements they make in public are broadcast because of their leadership of the company. If Dan was just some guy who held this belief, we would never have heard about it on so many media platforms. We heard about it BECAUSE he is CEO and what he says in public media could be argued to be the same in impact and purpose inside the walls of the franchises as an internal memo.

If we had found such a memo, would the conversation be the same?

His statements send the same message to his subordinates - individuals who are homosexual do not deserve the same rights as individuals who are heterosexual. Leadership sets the tone for an entire corporate culture and the culture tone set by Dan Cathy's remarks open the doors for individual store owners to feel empowered to perceive certain Americans as less deserving of rights than others. That is bad business. That is not best practice. That makes no business sense outside a religious context and that is why it is different than simply closing on Sunday, and that is why Christian values or no, Dan Cathy needs to go as CEO of Chick-fil-A.

 

 

 

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  • Explain to me again how his declaration of his personal beliefs regarding the biblical view of marriage are a problem? Nowhere in his statement did he claim that homosexuals are inferior or deserve less service in any way. In fact, I'm certain, when asked, that Cathy would adamently agree that Chick-fil-a should serve all customers to the best of their ability, regardless of sexual orientation. The fact is that he simply admitted to holding the traditional values that have been held since our country was formed. I respect the man for his ability to stand up to the culture in his personal beliefs, and yet not degrade his company's policies in any way.

  • In reply to Luke:

    Well said. He has not discriminated. He just spoke his mind, a freedom in which generations of young men in my family fought for. It appears that many of our fellow Americans don't appreciate that freedom so they should just continue their objection to speech by practicing silence.

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    In reply to Luke:

    Luke you are correct. The authors OWN hatred and biggoted views are on display with this piece. HE needs to look in the mirror because HIS bigotry is FAR worse than ANY that could POSSIBLY be drawn from Mr. Cathy's actions or statements.

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    In reply to Todd Aldrich:

    How do you figure, Todd? The author said that Mr. Cathy's statements are bad for business. I don't see any "hatred" or "biggoted views", in fact I agree with him. If I were a Chick-fil-A shareholder, I'd be upset that my CEO has seen fit to alienate millions of potential customers. Do you honestly not see how someone could "POSSIBLY" see Mr. Cathy's views as prejudicial? I applaud Mr. Cathy for having the courage to voice his views in a public forum, and I respect those views, but I don't have my head buried in the sand.

  • In the same way a CEO publicly stating that women are not equal to men might influence the corporate culture of his company, leading to conditions on the ground that foster behaviors which treat such individuals inequitably, conditions which - no matter where you might stand on the issue - are bad for business.

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    In reply to Douglas Lee Miller:

    You have missed the point young man. Mr. Cathy has the right to say whatever he likes or believes....and unless you have proof that his statements somehow are discriminatory in his employment practices, then he should go right on being CEO. The LBGT folks are but a SMALL part of our society and the vast majority of Americans are fine with you as long as you don't force your lifestyles down our throats. If you don't like the companies policies...vote against them with your wallet and don't ever visit one.

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    Dan Cathy has stated the same view as the majority of Americans. That is why homosexual marriage is not legal in most states. Marriage simply is a union of a man and a woman. Always has been. Homosexuals have the same rights as everyone else. They just want different rights and are angry we won't protect a lifestyle choice by law. Most Americans consider them to be perverts even though the media has shamed most Americans into silence.

    And for the record, the Cathy family are the sole owners of Chick-Fil-A so your opinion means absolutely squat.

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    In reply to Daniel Brock:

    Daniel - your statement that Homosexuals have the same rights is far from correct. The overwhelming majority of an estimated 1,300 specific rights, benefits and privileges that marriage delivers to couples come from the federal government. Same sex couples can file joint state tax returns, for example, but have to file separate federal tax returns. What you call "Different" rights are what everyone else calls "Equal" rights.

    And Marriage has indeed changed over the years. Would you prefer to go back to a time when 13 or 15yo girls can get married or to the time when a woman had to retain a dowry? In case you are not aware a dowry is the money, goods, or estate that a woman brings to the marriage. It contrasts with bride price, which is paid by the groom or his family to the bride's parents, and dower, which is property given to the bride herself by the groom at the time of marriage.

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    In reply to Bill Mason:

    In 2004, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama cited his own religion in framing his views: "I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Also, he re-affirmed the same belief in 2006 and 2008. Did you consider him to be "bigoted and hateful, and someone who was depriving homosexuals of their civil rights" at that time or did you vote for him for president? If you did then you are a hypocrite just like many others on this site that have attacked Mr. Cathy, but voted for President Obama in '08 when he stated the exact same beliefs.

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    In reply to Daniel Brock:

    You said it, brother. It's odd that the people that demand tolerance aren't willing to give it in return.

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    There is no reason to tolerate the intolerance of others. You comment states your offended by for the retaliation of those who continue to be attacked by the government, and religiosity of the self righteous.

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    Thats the TRUTH!!

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    In reply to Daniel Brock:

    Well said!!

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    Douglas Lee Miller needs to go from this blog. He is out of touch with reality and believes Christians should not have the same rights as other people......

    Sound stupid? Good. It is the same stupid point you just made

  • My point is that I think he is making poor business choices and the company would do well to put another person in charge to set the tone of the corporate culture in order to help the business endure. He and his family can still make money from it. Obviously my comments don't mean squat, it isn't like I'm on the executive board there. These are just my opinions.

  • In reply to Douglas Lee Miller:

    So, you're writing this out of concern for the Chick-fil-A company.. You just want the Cathy family to make more money.. Gee, you're a nice man!

  • Also - to the folks who have felt the need to attack me personally about this article on my business email address - as stated above, these are my opinions. I'm choosing not to answer you over email. If you would like to discuss the opinions I write about here please do so here, not over email.

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    Just want to make a correction. This is not about Dan Cathy's stance - it is about what the Bible says. I do agree it was a stupid thing to say as the CEO of a company. I admire him though. It has become so unpopular to be a Christian that most of us fear standing up for what we believe. Gays can have their parades and Gay Pride Day, but let a Christian man speak up - Whoa!!! Dan Cathy is the one being discriminated against.

  • douglas lee miller as well as alderman moron and the tiny ballerina are ALL BIGOTS and RACISTS who HATE good Christian families and have ZERO morals and ZERO values!!! Please rot in HELL!

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    In reply to zack66:

    Lovely.

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    In reply to zack66:

    I admire your loving Christian spirit. Definitely how Jesus would have wanted you to demonstrate his presence in your life.

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    In reply to zack66:

    Zack it is in great error that you think morals and the christian religion are mutually exclusive. First, You should ponder the stats for a moment. You will claim America is a christian nation. OK lets go with that. America is 5% of the worlds population. yet, we house 27% of the worlds prison population right in this christian nation. 78% of all inmates have either read the bible, ask Jesus into there heart, or believe in the god of the bible. How is it that for such things to be attached the stats prove otherwise. I have seen more corruption from Christians that any other belief. Then consider that the majority of people who fall upon religion are seeking forgiveness from living a sin filled life. Then they find out that the forgiveness of their sins is for all sin past, present and future. What need is there for morals when you have forgiveness of all your sins. Jesus may love you and forgive you of your crimes and sins. Mean while the victims still think of you just as you are. An immoral A hole. who has been relieved of all responsibility. No wonder the church is viewed as the most immoral place upon the earth. 1700 yrs of carnage has followed the christian belief with more death, destruction and despair, than all sickness, disease, and wars combined. The church needs remember its past. If it seek a place at the table in the future.

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    In reply to Kevin Trask:

    Kevin how my heart breaks for you. I wish I could refute your stats or tell you how wrong you are but I can't do that because at some level you are correct. There seems to be no end to the degradation of the human mind and will to do the wrong thing, to do the unloving thing. You are right man has done terrible things in the name of religion but none of it matters in the end because in the end it will only matter if we have had a relationship with Jesus. Asked him into our hearts? Yes that is a start but only a start. We don, get to be forgiven because of anything we have done or could ever do. It is only grace. In the end we even will have made a choice where we wibsh to spend eternity. God loves us enough to even allow that. The Church is a big C with many members and no religion or denomination. We are just
    travelers together trusting I. The only
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    In reply to Michael:

    How do you know?

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    In reply to zack66:

    nice.

  • Significant facts are missing from this article, facts which discredit the entire argument. The article is "calling for Dan Cathy to be removed as CEO of Chick-fil-A...."

    Dan Cathy is not the CEO of Chick-fil-A, Truett Cathy is. Dan Cathy is the COO, so if you want him removed as CEO it is already done because he is not the CEO - mission accomplished. Secondly Chick-Fil-A is a private company, so they don't have to answer to shareholders or a board of directors. You can't remove an owner of a private company because you can't buy controlling interest via stock purchases.... Since it is not publically traded, we are back to the only way to remove him being to buy the Company from him (by buying controlling interest via privately owned shares). I doubt the Cathy family is going to sell controlling shares...

    The only one who can make Dan Cathy step down as "COO" is Truett, and I don't think your article convinced him...

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    In reply to Steve In Chicago:

    Nice job with the facts. Seems to miss the point, though. I don't think the article was meant to start a movement, just to point out that Mr. Cathy's comments are bad for business.

  • I'm going on record that the CEO said NOTHING discriminatory or hateful against any protected group. Many "Christians" do, this particular one didn't in his remarks. Also, let's not forget that our secular government adopted the word marriage, which has been defined in the Judeo-Christian tradition for over 5 millennium.

  • Let me get this straight: Anyone who is the public face of a company must relinquish all personal beliefs and conform to a common thought process? Yea, okay. Sure. I guess we all forgot something call the 1st Amendment which allows ANYONE the freedom to speak their mind. I did not see Dan Cathy say "Chick-fil-a believes marriage is a man and a woman and is against gay marriage" he anwered that HE believes that.

    Where will this crap stop? When will morons like Moreno learn that you cannot block something just because you disagree with what one person said. You have to realize these are franchises where the people who own and operate that location do not necessarily buy into Cathy's belief. If Moreno continues to block this then I hope that owner takes him and the city to court. Then we shall see who's side the judge rules on. My bet is on the Constitution.

  • In reply to wraith729:

    Well said.

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    In reply to wraith729:

    Throughout this whole maddening debacle I've never heard a single person say that Dan Cathy didn't have a "right" to voice his opinions. Of course he has that right. This article is only stating that voicing those opinions is "bad for business". Surely you don't disagree with that. In fact, Mr. Cathy's supporters are applauding him for stating his opinions DESPITE the fact that they are bad for business. Stating ANY opinion is bad for business because it will always offend some potential customer. This subject matter seems to send people off into dizzying tangents.

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    Mr.Miller,
    You should stick to writing about things that matter and let Mr.Cathy run his chicken buisness. This is such a non-news item it's sickening.
    Since when can't a person share their beliefs about an issue without fear of reprisal and attacks. Isn't that what made America great once?
    Unfortunately, we have arrived at a place where whoever squawks loudest gets their message heard more in a biased slanted way, even when they are the large minority.
    This makes me even more hungry for Chick-fil-A !

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    In reply to Jon Toepper:

    Good going ... we need more people to stand up for our original morals MAN AND WOMAN.... not this fag era that is trying to dominate us just because they open their gay mouths.....

    I wish the gangs would stop killing each other and unite and rid Chicago of this GAY PLAGUE ALREADY....

    This GAY RIGHTS BULLSHIT HAS GOTTEN OLD!!!!!!!

    I wish they would cut up the Fag ALDERMAN who started all this... then have the Cobras, Gangsters, Latin kings and whatever gangs not mentioned in Chicago just kill every faggit left in Chicago..... Then write on their foreheads... YOUR GAY VOICE WAS HEARD!!!!!!!!

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    In reply to Mark Rivera:

    class act.

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    Considering HE and HIS FAMILY own the business, I believe that it is up to them to decide who runs it, not some uppity know nothing like this blogger.

  • In reply to Drew Bowler:

    That's absolutely correct.

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    The CEO of Chick fil a has a right to make his opinion known. I heard he simply will not insure same sex marriage couples. They can work there and anyone can eat there. If you dont like the owners opinon then go elswhere to eat. You can't tell people in the US what to believe. Do something worthwhile instead of complaining about what other people do and say.

  • People who own businesses, who are CEOs have a right to be political! Period! Every argument you made can cut both ways. Those offended by the liberal politics of Ben and Jerry or the late Anita Roderick can also use them! If you have a documented case of discrimination against Chickwhatever, that changes everything. But lacking that, it boils down to not liking his stance! Fine! Boycott! But don't start an ideological war over who gets to start a business. And really, even though I personally don't agree with him, his views are no more extreme on equal marriage than many religious institutions including the Catholic church! What is the obsession with him and this company many of us never even heard of before the controversy?

  • Where in the constitution did it say we do not have freedom of speech and religion. That is the best part about being an American....freedom. It seems that every other religion is allowed freedom but Christians are discriminated against for their beliefs. We also have freedom to run our businesses on principals we believe in. For example Hobby Lobby closes on Sundays because they feel it should be a a time with family. They also play religious songs in the store. It doesn't bother me because I believe in protecting our freedom. This is the government's purpose...to protect our rights not discriminate against them as the mayor has.

  • You must be crazy to think, much less say, that Cathy needs to go as CEO simply because he disagrees with YOUR position on homosexuality or same sex marriage.

    So now, people who don't agree with gays and gay marriage doesn't have a civil right to disagree?? How are those who disagree with the Christians' position NOT guilty of what they accuse Christians of being guilty of, intolerance. You don't tolerate the rights of Christians to have and express their opinion. Gays want people to respect THEIR opinion and positions, but gays themselves don't respect the opinion and positions of others. Oh, the hypocrisy of homosexuals!

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    In reply to ChicaliK:

    Exactly!!!! Very well said!!

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    In reply to ChicaliK:

    Cathy needs to go because he disagrees with my position on homosexuality? That is not what he wrote. He wrote that Cathy SHOULD go because what he said was "bad for business". Why are folks having so much trouble sticking to that one simple fact.

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    In reply to Seth Musler:

    Mr. Cathy's belief is especially good for business. We are to go to all the world to teach the good news and preach the truth of God. It is in the Bible, read it and live it, you might like it.

  • KOODOS to Dan Cathy. My wife and I agree with him on his stand. It does't sound like he is restricting any "people" from buying from the store. So what's the big issue?
    Why don't you go after the HEATHEN companies like WalMart that supports pedophelia, abortion, the gay agenda, as well as others or are you for all of that as well. If so you are the sick one. Why can't you go after them? Are they too big for your little cause? Are you afraid of them? Why don't you grow a set and go after the real wierdos and leave the God fearing people alone. You know, the only reason why this earth hasn't been destroyed is because of us "God fearing, sold out Christians" being here? If you want to investigate that check out the Book of Revelation. In case you don't know that is the last Book of the Bible, also known as God's Holy Word. You better check yourself before you wreak yourself!

  • In reply to gregnona:

    My husbund just wrote and I want to say something. Have you ever noticed that those who mess with Christians something always happens to them? Case in point.
    Madalyn Murry O'Hair. She lobbied back in the 60s to have prayer and Bible reading taken out of the public schools. She won and it was taken out. Well, how did she end up dying? She was cut up one piece at a time, while still alive, with a chain saw in her bathtub. The pieces of her body were put in 55 gallon drums and burried. They were found years later and they identified her remains.
    Look at John Lennon. He sold his soul to the devil, his words, not mine, back in 1960 for fame and fortune. He was a very outspoken anti-Christian and stated many times he hated God and even called Jesus Christ a garlic eating bastard. Sorry Lord, only quoting. Do you know that he, too, died a violent death by being shot five times in the back in 1980, 20 years to the day from when he sold out to satan?
    Now think about it. Those who mess with God's children, whether Jew or Christian, will pay for it. God will see to that. My husband and I have had to ask God to deal with different people that messed with us only because we claim the name of Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. God took care of them in His own way all we did was sit back and allow Him to vindicate us.
    Watch what you say or do to God's people as He will vindicate them sooner or later. And you know what? You will never see it coming. Just food for deep thought.

  • In reply to gregnona:

    Let's read the Koran in school. How about that? Let's have the girls wear burkas...no wait!, let's not allow girls in the schools!!! Awesome!

    Don't be an idiot, ok?

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    In reply to gregnona:

    Good going ... we need more people to stand up for our original morals MAN AND WOMAN.... not this fag era that is trying to dominate us just because they open their gay mouths.....

    I wish the gangs would stop killing each other and unite and rid Chicago of this GAY PLAGUE ALREADY....

    This GAY RIGHTS BULLSHIT HAS GOTTEN OLD!!!!!!!

    I wish they would cut up the Fag ALDERMAN who started all this... then have the Cobras, Gangsters, Latin kings and whatever gangs not mentioned in Chicago just kill every faggit left in Chicago..... Then write on their foreheads... YOUR GAY VOICE WAS HEARD!!!!!!!!

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    In reply to gregnona:

    Wait. What??? Yahweh will make sure that everyone who opposes Christianity is brutally murdered? You gave TWO outlying examples. I can say the exact same thing by saying that people who stand up for Christianity. Martin Luther King Jr. was an advocate of Christianity, he was murdered. You can even use examples in the bible. Stephen was an advocate of Christianity. He was stoned. Your logic is inherently flawed. Also, most scholars agree that Revelation is a reference to the destruction of Jerusalem rather than to an apocalypse. Know your book before you use it as a "sword."

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    In reply to gregnona:

    spooky.

  • In reply to gregnona:

    Meh! Catholics and Baptists and Protestants can't even sit in the same room together.

    You're all nuts as far as I'm concerned.

    Good chicken, though.

  • In reply to IMHO:

    That's interesting, I'm sure someone thinks you're a nut too. But, just as you probably don't care, neither do Catholics and Baptists and Protestants (of which Baptist qualify as) care what you think of them.

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    In reply to gregnona:

    Mr. Gregnona I have to totaly agree and say great point. Truth is all that stands, noones opinions! Want to know the truth read Gods word. The Book of Revelation is a great place to start.

  • DOUGLAS MILLER remember what country you are living in. The freedom to state your opinion without ramifications is the same freedom Dan and Cathy have to express theirs. You are out of touch with mainstream America. Which is why I am done reading anything you ever write again. I have never been to Chick - fil-a but it is now my new favorite restaurant. Come November the majority will speak at the polls and traditional American values will return. The mayor of Chicago should be concerned with burglaries, thefts and MURDERS rather than a business owner who discriminates against no one and wants to employ countless people in a city that is broke and unemployed. You wonder why we are in so much trouble in this city. So get a grip on reality. If you don't like it don't go. BUT I will be going there today. God Bless America. Stay hungry my friends....for chick-fil-a

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    In reply to MR CHICAGO:

    Good going ... we need more people to stand up for our original morals MAN AND WOMAN.... not this fag era that is trying to dominate us just because they open their gay mouths.....

    I wish the gangs would stop killing each other and unite and rid Chicago of this GAY PLAGUE ALREADY....

    This GAY RIGHTS BULLSHIT HAS GOTTEN OLD!!!!!!!1

  • It's good chicken served quickly by people who seem energetic and who seem to enjoy their work. Much more so that at a McDonalds or BK.

    But I'm not going to eat there. Since the CEO inserted himself in the gay marriage debate, honestly, solidifying his base in the South, I have to decide whether or not to support the company with my dollars.

    I say no.

    The alderman was simply grandstanding...and solidifying his base in Logan Square. I don't care about the alderman. He's not doing anything for me that I can't do for myself.

    So, to sum up. I don't care what religion the chicken guy is and I don't care about the alderman. I'm going to spend my dollars in a way that makes me feel comfortable.

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    In reply to IMHO:

    Please allow me to correct something you said and then give you something to think about. First, the CEO did not say anything about marriage. It was the President of CFA. And, second, in 2004, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama cited his own religion in framing his views: "I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Also, he re-affirmed the same belief in 2006 and 2008. Did you consider him to be "bigoted and hateful, and someone who was depriving homosexuals of their civil rights" at that time or did you vote for him for president? If you did then you are a hypocrite just like many others on this and other web sites that have attacked Mr. Cathy, but voted for President Obama in '08 when he stated the exact same beliefs.

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    The man has a right, like all of us, to express his opinion if he so chooses...considering his position, maybe it wasn't the smartest thing to do.

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    In reply to US Beaches Net:

    Thank you! I believe that was the ENTIRE point of the article, summed up beautifully.

  • I'm not saying he has no right to speak his opinion. My hyperbolic call to remove him as CEO was made to illustrate that one has to distinguish the rights of an individual from the rights of a business entity, an uppity concept, I grant you. He spoke these words in that capacity and therefore sets the tone of the company. What really needs to go is the attitude that homosexual couples are second class citizens. I do not (as a heterosexual Christian) understand how some Christians can be upset that their right to treat gays as being not worthy of equal rights is being infringed upon. Nor do I understand why so many Christians speak with such hatred in their words, after all... not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

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    In reply to Douglas Lee Miller:

    It seems that you want to re-define marriage to include same-sex couples. What about bi-sexuals? Should marriage be re-defined to include bi-sexuals so they can have two marriage partners - a man AND a woman? Are they not worthy of "equal rights"? What about polygamists? Should marriage be re-defined to include them so they can have as many partners as they want? Three men and a woman, or six women and a man, etc. Are they not worthy of "equal rights"? What about incestuous couples? Should marriage be re-defined to include marriage between a brother and a sister, mother and a son, father and daughter? Are they not worthy of "equal rights"?

    Are you not being "hateful", "bigoted" and "whatever-phobic" toward each of these persons, and treating them as second-class citizens by not allowing them to re-define marriage to include their particular group? Since you have no objective moral or religious foundation then you can't really object to any of these lifestyles; it's just your personal opinion.

    Traditional marriage between one man and one woman has been in existence for thousands of years. No civilization has endured that has departed from this time-honored definition of marriage. As a nation, we are "treading on very thin ice" to re-define marriage to mean something other than between a man and a woman.

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    In reply to Keith Turner:

    Ok then, I have a serious question to ask: Would people who are against granting Gay Marriage be willing to extend ALL of the secular rights and privileges given to married couples if same-sex couples agreed not to call their unions "marriage"? I really want to know. Is it the "sanctity" of the institution itself you wish to protect? I don't agree with that but I can at least understand it. Or is it that you wish to punish these people for living a lifestyle that you don't agree with because that I do not understand.

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    In reply to Seth Musler:

    For me, a Christian pastor, this is precisely the point. I have no problem with all Americans having access to the financial privileges afforded by filing joint income tax returns or doing away with that privilege for all. At issue is the designation of the union as "marriage" because we believe that such is defined for us by Someone greater than ourselves and that while governments/society can make laws regulating its beginning and end, it cannot redefine the very essence of what it is.

  • In reply to Douglas Lee Miller:

    Are you also going to rally against Louis Farrakhan's Chicago businesses?....or are you simply intolerant of Christians?

    LGBT advocates always come off as the most intolerant people around.

  • In reply to Douglas Lee Miller:

    Define Christian

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    Wouldn't it be nice if all the GANGS of CHICAGO MERGE... and start killing all the HOMOs till they go back in the closet and stop this gay voice bullshit already???

    Where the hell do the Gays come off with making us Family oriented citizens the MINORITIES?

    First guy who should get wacked it that FAGGIT LDERMAN who started all this shit....

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    In reply to Mark Rivera:

    The sole reason for our government is to protect the minority. The majority would get their way without it as, by definition, it has more people in it.

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    We are at DEFCON 1 with the HOMOSEXUALS NOW !!!!!
    Watch what happens to all of you fags all over the city.....

    Its not going to stop till you give up your HOMOSEXUAL beliefs....

  • I find it funny how those who support gay marriage are really trying to force people to believe them over a person's faith. I find it funny how those who support gay marriage are trying to force people to give up their Savior to sake of a legal document. Just so EVERYONE believes homosexuality is "the new marriage". But guess what?? It isn't going to happen. You can bully, name call, tell me "society has changed" etc With me, this isn't going to happen. I love my fellow man/woman. I do not call people names like I am sure some will do to me about this post. But it only shows your own ignorance. The CEO of Chick has every right to announce his belief AFTER he was asked the question, just like irk Cameron. The truth is, you can handle the truth that is..NOT EVERYONE SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE, no matter how many names you call me, no matter how much you call for the firing of a CEO who speaks his beliefs. In this country we can have separate beliefs and NOT force them on each other. And please homosexuals...don't compare yourselves to the African Americans & their journey in this country.

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    In reply to Amelia B:

    Kirk Cameron is dreamy.

  • Mr Cathy should be applauded for his honesty, his views are shared by many Americans. I would love to patronize an establishment headed by true christian morales. Thank You Mr. Cathy.

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    There is one thing that is really painful to watch, and that's people missing the point.
    If Cathy is openly, publicly, stating his own discrimination towards a group of people, then how will that hold over through his business policies. That's all Mr. Miller was asking. And it seems, if Cathy is not insuring same sex couples, then, now we have a problem with equal rights. No matter what you believe, there really isn't any reason to shout it out to the world unless, of course, you want people to hear, which in this case, seems like an odd thing to do.
    These comments on this page are so reminiscent of 60 or so years ago when blacks were gaining civil rights. It's sad. And a little scary. White christian male landowners didn't believe blacks had any human rights either. They weren't even considered a whole person. So yeah, let's compare.

    Now that I have been nice, I will say this. Did I read correctly that Mr. Miller has had his life threatened on here? And someone else wants to incite mobs to kill people? And someone is claiming that she will be called names because of her views, when the only people I am reading who are doing the name calling are believers of the christian faith. Someone please tell me what happened to the morals that Jesus taught? The guidelines even from the ten commandments?

    You people, oh yes, I am going to go there, you people who think you are being condemned and abused and shouting out from the treetops that you have just as much rights as everyone else, you people are the ones who have discriminated, who have tortured, who have persecuted, who have murdered in the name of something so very sacred. Not a scratch made, not a scornful word spoken, not a drop of blood should ever have been shed for such a beautiful thing. Shame on all of you!!

    Oh, and all you motherfuckers are nuttier than a squirrel turd under an oak tree.

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    In reply to Beth Rosenkoetter:

    Mr. Cathy didn't "shout it out to the world". He is a Southern Baptist and was asked a question by a Baptist newspaper. He simply stated his personal views that he supported traditional marriage. From there, the liberal media got hold of it and tried to "crucify" the man.

    What is really confusing to me is that in 2004, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama cited his own religion in framing his views when he said, "I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Also, he re-affirmed the same belief in 2006 and 2008.

    Let me ask you a simple question; did you consider (then) Senator Obama to be "bigoted and hateful, and someone who was depriving homosexuals of their civil rights" at that time or did you vote for him for president? If you did then you are a hypocrite just like many others on the news websites that have attacked Mr. Cathy, but voted for President Obama in '08 when he stated the exact same beliefs.

  • In reply to Beth Rosenkoetter:

    How his Mr C discriminating?

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    Saying that you don't support a change in the the traditional form of marriage from it's intended purpose to an altered and perverted one is not denying someone their rights. It's simply standing up for what you believe in, and in this case it's the Bible. The Bible is God's word to us on how we should live and choices we should make. It clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Along with heterosexual fornication and adultery. There is no way for two people to enter into HOLY MATRIMONY with one another while living in a sinful relationship. Be it a homosexual couple or an unfaithful heterosexual one.
    Those of us who use the Bible as our guideline in this life and don't allow the political and social views of this world to influence us are simply following God's word. We don't hate gay people and we don't want to deny anyone their human rights but we will stand up for what's right and holy in the eyes of God.

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    In reply to Chris Bacon:

    You're right about what it says about gays in the bible: Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
    It also says this: Leviticus 11:10 "But anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is an abomination to you.
    Had any shrimp lately?
    Theres also this: Isaiah 66:17 "Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following the one in the midst of those who eat the flesh of pigs and rats and other abominable things--they will meet their end together," declares the LORD.
    What about bacon? Had any ribs lately?
    Deuteronomy 7:25 The graven images of their gods you shall burn with fire; you shall not covet the silver or the gold that is on them, or take it for yourselves, lest you be ensnared by it; for it is an abomination to the LORD your God.
    Burned any Buddha of Vishnu statues lately?
    The fact is you don't follow the Bible literally, so doling out particular passages to deny rights to what are often kind, honest, hard-working people is wrong. Nay, an abomination.

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    In reply to Seth Musler:

    There seems to be a confusion here in your understanding of the Christian faith and its use of the Bible. The issue is not following the Bible literally. You have cited texts regarding the ancient, theocratic nation, Israel, which lived under the Law of Moses. That law consisted of three parts - moral, civil, and ceremonial or religious aspects. Christians are not under the Law of Moses. It was a guardian to lead us to Christ. Christ fulfilled the Old Testament requirements of the Law for us. Now, God's moral law was encoded in the Mosaic Law and while the Mosaic Law is done away as a code governing life, aspects of his moral law are repeated for us in the New Testament as continually binding upon His people. When Jesus was asked a question regarding marriage, He went back before the institution of the Mosaic Law to the institution of marriage at creation - "Haven't you read that He who created them in the beginning made them male and female . . ." (Matthew 19:4). That is what is forever binding. Initial creation defines marriage for the Christian.

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    Doesn't Louis Farrakhan have a restaurant in the city? His vile rantings about the Jewish people come in at a close second place to Hitler. But it is perfectly fine for him to own businesses and contracts with the city with his viewpoint? What hypocrisy! Although I disagree with Mr. Cathy's beliefs, I live in a country where people are free to express them. If you do not like the viewpoints of a CEO of a certain business, don't go there. You probably won't like the food anyway. But, do not take it away from your neighbors who may love it, or want to get a job there.

  • Dan Cathy is an ignorant bigot and I won't eat his food.

    This does not mean I don't think he has a right to his beliefs, nor do I think government officials should use their offices to deny him the right to sell his product. There is nothing illegal about being an $&^%^#.

    I prefer to think his outdated beliefs will make his business suffer and eventually bankrupt him.

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    In reply to Cheryl:

    Hey Cheryl. In light of what you said, please consider the following: In 2004, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, Barack Obama cited his own religion in framing his views when he said, "I'm a Christian. I do believe that tradition and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman." Also, he re-affirmed the same belief in 2006 and 2008.

    Please answer this simple question; did you consider (then) Senator Obama to be "bigoted and hateful, and someone who was depriving homosexuals of their civil rights" at that time or did you vote for him for president? If you did then you are a hypocrite just like many others on the news websites that have attacked Mr. Cathy, but voted for President Obama in '08 when he stated the exact same beliefs.

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    In reply to Keith Turner:

    Really beating that dead horse, aren't we Keith?

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    If you agree, disagree or even do not care what Chick-fil-a has to say about anything but want to make sure politicians do not take away our rights to free speech and freedom of religeon.

    http://www.meetup.com/Supporters-of-the-Chick/

  • The guy writing this article is a perfect example of someone who is surrounded by like minded individuals and is not prepared for a difference of opinion.

    We can surmise that he did not expect that the majority of people chiming in would be (gasp!) against his opinion, which he probably feels is 'reasonable'.

    This is typical of liberals.

    It reminds me of the NYC liberal journalist who was shocked when Nixon was elected president...she didn't know ANYBODY who voted for Nixon. "How could this be possible?"

    It also reminds us that liberals are intolerant of others. They pick up their megaphones and say it is exactly the opposite, but they are insulated from reality.

  • Looking forward to the chicken sandwich and waffle fries on Wednesday! I have no problem with gay marriage, it won't affect me, but I won't tolerate anyone trying to keep someone else from expressing their beliefs. He's not refusing to hire or serve anyone, he's simply telling people his beliefs, just the same as anyone else!

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    Gay and I will still enjoy my Chicken sandwich at Chick-fil-A!!! I have more issues with gay values than I do with Christian Values.

  • Mr. Cathy is certainly entitled to his viewpoints. I don't share his viewpoints and more and more I don't share his religious beliefs. I am not particularly fond of Chik-fil-A so whether Mr. Cathy stays or goes is of no concern to me. I will not be going to a Chik-fil-A restaurant. I am appalled that people are debating the viability of a restaurant chain that produces food is unhealthy pucks of fat, sodium and processed carbohydrates. Greasy fried chicken on white bread with a speck of lettuce and mayonnaise should be banned for human consumption. But then again so is McDonald's, Burger King, KFC and any other fast food restaurant. However, I digress...

    I hope this man or the many that share his viewpoint do not have a child that is gay. I know of far too many friends, co-workers and family who have been rejected, made to feel less than adequate, and just downright abandoned because they are gay. It is a tragedy that just doesn't need to happen. Shouldn't we at least think about what the words of a parent might convey to a child who may be struggling with his sexual identity?

    I grew up in the very conservative South. However, because of my interactions with friends/teachers/family members that are gay, I've learned that it is more about the person, what they represent and if they are productive members of our communities.

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    In reply to JMHO:

    Amen.

  • The Chik-Fil-A stance isn’t only a religious stance, it’s a stance for moral decency regarding sexual practices, and the stated objection by a individual, against the campaigning of these sexual practices by a group, who have the intention of mutilating the definition of “marriage” under the guise of “civil rights” as its being twisted to fit into their homo"sexual" spheres of existence, in the hopes that this mutation of normalcy, would lead to a validation of their actions, and themselves.

    The homo”sexual” community is controversial because of “sexual” practices. You know what they call two men, or women, living together who don’t have sex with each other? ROOM-MATES.

    The defining label of this group is through the sexual actions performed by these individuals. Do the “Mayors” of both Boston and Chicago, really believe they’re defending “civil rights” or are they truly blind to the fact they are defending “sexual practices” ?

    To jump into the fray regarding someone’s comments regarding morality, and then support actions to protect a perverted group of so-called “men” and “women” from the evils of a company that makes a chicken sandwich, is generally beneath the office of mayor- one would assume. And it’s absolutely transparent that “supporters” of the homo"sexual" community are without ANY understanding in regards to the difference between basic decency and blatant perversion.

    The homo"sexuals", and their liberal supporters, need to understand that MANY decent, hardworking Americans, HAVE HAD ENOUGH, of perverted, liberal agendas and the CAMPAIGNS that support these perverted views. It's NOT "O.K." to be homo"sexual" and its NOT to be "encouraged" or taught to our kids as an "alternative" lifestyle or cultivated as a culture either; Its a twisted, perverted, and sad excuse for a "lifestyle", and quite honestly, must be hellish, and extremely damaging from a mental health stand point. That being said, no one is marching against the homo"sexual" community are they? Stop attacking ChikFilA.

    JW of Texas

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    In reply to JW of Texas:

    In other words: "Don't mess with Texas, Fags." Are you married, JW? Would you describe your marriage as a "sexual arrangement"? Why is it so hard for you hayseeds to understand that this is about a person's right to spend their life with whomever they choose, whomever makes them happy, regardless of what some asshole in Texas thinks about their "lifestyle". It's not about YOU and the fact that you are uncomfortable having to witness gays on tv or at fucking Applebees. It's about THEM, and their right to the pursuit of happiness, regardless of who that's with.

  • In reply to Seth Musler:

    It's not about what you or I think. God has made it clear that homosexuality is a perversion. However, this does not mean that we should treat homosexuals in a way that doesn't correlate with the love we are to have for all human beings as creatures created in God's image.

  • and another example of why everyone is sick of idiot bloggers with phd's in being easily offended writing the same tired article. you can't call for the removal of the CEO of a privately run company. ok, you can, but did you consider that he proooobably hired execs that agree with him? this isn't mcdonals, doug. we all get to choose our morals, that's the beauty of evolution. someday, when we are no longer the most evolved species, you can really get a taste of a different set of morals being shoved down your throat. until then, stop being such a baby.

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    Listen, regardless if he's the CEO, the COO, or the CNN, or whatever, I'm pretty sure most of you got the point that the author is making here.

    He's backed it up very well, too, and even admits when he's making a point that is easily argued. I think this guy is all heart, and you're all not giving him a fair shake at all.

    I sensed no vitriol in this piece, only warranted concern. I can't say that for the commentators. Most of whom are championing Christianity, but being far from Christ-like.

    Listen, your God, and your Jesus, they obviously have plans. Let them sort it out. That whole warrior for the kingdom of heaven business was for like, way back when, and stuff. When people fought with stones. The warrior hasn't really applied since, like, after the fall of the Roman Empire, or something.

    Anyways, you can chill. The holy trinity has it all under control, and you're probably really fuckin things up for them with all the pathetic ingratiation and carrying on.

  • In reply to Frank Giannantonio:

    Sir, I do not appreciate your use of cursing in context of your comments about God Almighty.

  • Perhaps the CEO/COO technicality clouded the issue, but there is no anger or malice in my rebuttal to this article. It is simply that one cannot remove a CEO or Owner of a privately held company. If the author wants to argue that individuals should not support a certain business that is his/her right, but the Owner cannot be fired except by a public that puts him/her out of business.

    I guess I introduced the CEO/COO to highlight the fact that angry people are calling for action without even understanding what they are demanding...

  • I am not a Christian... I just think they make an excellent product at an affordable price. Ironically all this publicity is going to get them more business, which is pretty much the opposite of what the "haters" were hoping for...

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