"No" Votes Day 3

Today's news is that it's Day 3 of the strike authorization vote, and CPS and CTU are battling over the letters and emails and legal requests that have been flying back and forth.  Basically CPS is trying to make sure that the vote doesn't reach the 75 percent level -- and is legit if it does.  CTU is trying to make sure it reaches 75 percent -- a target it has to reach in order to win greater concessions in the contract negotiations.

What I'm most curious about is what it's like in schools where there hasn't been voting, or where the vote has been mixed.  Not voting is a no vote, essentially (and would get the building rep bothering you to vote) so there's lots of incentive to get it done one way or the other.

I'm curious about why voting isn't nearly complete and whether teachers who are so committed to democracy and choice are being calm about members who decide to vote against the strike.  Are there schools that don't have ballots or something, or where the counting hasn't been done yet?  Is the process truly secret or is there someone keeping tabs in each building on who voted against the strike (ie, the shit list)?

Teachers union accuses CPS of trying to sabotage strike authorization vote Sun Times:  By the second day of voting Thursday, CTU spokeswoman Stephanie Gadlin said more than half of the union’s 25,500 members had voted and “we are well pleased with what we are seeing.’’ …

Rahm: Don't vote. STFU and do what you're told Mike Klonsky: Chicago's two so-called newspapers are warning teachers not to vote YES. The Sun-Times (wholly owned by a group of Rahm's patrons) claims that, "Chicago Teachers Union president has walked her members to the edge of the cliff." CPS is sending letters home to parents trying to panic them about an impending strike. The union has responded with a letter of its own. Then there's the steady diet of radio ads now running on WBBM-AM, WGN, WGCI, WVON and several other stations — urging parents to tell their kids' teachers not to strike0.

CPS, union wage legal battle over strike vote Catalyst: CTU lawyer Robin Potter said that the letter included threats and inaccurately portrayed the state of negotiations and what would happen if the strike authorization were approved. For example, in discussing raises, Brizard writes that “the process by which that occurs must be allowed to work itself through.”

Chicago Public Schools CEO takes calls on strike vote, promotion policy, field ... WBEZ: Brizard gives his views on merit pay and weighs in on schools rationing toilet paper. Hear the entire show by clicking the play button above. WBEZ education reporter Linda Luttonmoderated a live chat during the broadcast. Click below to replay.

Head Start teachers joining union Catalyst: Teachers at three of Chicago’s community-based Head Start programs have voted to unionize this year with the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). More union elections could be on the way in coming months.

Teachers union faces dilemma as strike vote nears Crain's Business: If I were a member of the Chicago Teachers Union, I would vote for that strike authorization today. Mayor Rahm Emanuel hasn't given me much choice. Then I would pray — a lot — that a strike never occurs.

CPS teacher held on $250,000 bond in sexual assault of student Sun Times: Idris L. Bridgeforth, 39, of 14500 block of South Parnell Avenue in Riverdale, is charged with indecent solicitation and criminal sexual assault of a supervised victim 13 to 17 years old, both ...

Study: Urban kids have higher incidence of food allergies than rural ones Chicago Tribune:
This fall, Chicago Public Schools will stock an epinephrine auto-injector. Still, few adults can recall "peanut-free" zones or bans on home-baked treats during their own youth, which is why many people still refuse to take allergies seriously, ...

 

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  • Because not voting is the same as a no vote, I know that our delegate is waiting until he has 100% of the ballots. As of yesterday, there were still 2 ballots outstanding due to teacher absences. So, I don't think we should worry too much about why voting doesn't seem to be "nearly complete." I will also say that I felt confident that my ballot was secret and that there is no bullying of teachers who are voting "no."

  • I am city-wide and at my most apathetic school we had 10 teachers join the union just to vote YES.

  • buzzard might be out of a job. and rahm will have to eat shi-. after the results are all in and certified by rules and elections. everyone will be shocked by the numbers.

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    In reply to district299reader:

    I wish you were right. However, wait and see....they will dig their political heels in and wage a public relations war to the degree we haven't seen yet. Don't forget Rhams background - HE DID THIS FOR A LIVING FOR THE PRESIDENT - he's pretty good at it.

    Let's get the 75%- that is the most important thing - shock and awe affect aside - it is the only thing that will bring the negotiations anywhere close to reasonable.

  • Mayor Rahm Emanuel was trying to get legislation passed in the last General Assembly in Springfield that would take away the Chicago Teachers Union right to strike. When that failed, Mayor Emanuel tried to get legislation passed that would give the Chicago Board of Education the power to determine when the Chicago Teachers Union could take the strike authorization vote. When that failed, Mayor Emanuel had the Chicago Public Schools take legal action on the strike authorization vote that is currently being taken.

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    I hope Karen Lewis has her eye on the legal ball - that's the long game. The stirke is the short game. I think Rham and company might even secretly be resigned to the fact that the 75% willbe reached and he will need to compromise SOME at the table. But I think he will think of it as the battle and not the war - the long game is (as you suggest) more changes to the law.

    Karen needs to make sure these attempts are done in the light of the day.

  • To me, the issue I'm most concerned with is the reluctance to bargain on the optional issues, class size included. Our Union, it seems, is the only thing standing between the political demagoguery du jour and what actually makes sense in our schools.

    Instead of insisting that the board will only bargain on those issues mandated in the law, JC should put his money where his mouth is and trust that teachers, through their union, have a good idea of what is best for our schools and children.

  • This morning I spoke with a few colleagues and of the schools I visited I'm hearing all networks on the west side had 100% vote as of 9:30am. Unless someone is sick or in delivery I think everyone understands the importance of voting regardless what side of the debate you're on. The mayor was kicked out of Washington for a reason and I think Chicago should do the same. The legal battle that CPS is attemtping to wage against the CTU will be very revealing for parents to see who the real bullies are. The mayor has made this his personal war. His Napaleon complex can't take the pressure of compromise. I hope the Police department, fire department, and CTU remeber his antics when its time for re-election. Let's send him packing just like the POTUS.

  • I'm a parent of two CPS students and just wanted to jump in because I know how many teachers read this. I know that you hear from the passionate parents and parent groups on both sides of the issue. But, you should know that there are lots of "regular" parents who whole-heartedly support your right to strike (or not, if that's what YOU choose). I know that many people think organized labor is not something that is as relevant now as it was several decades ago. But, clearly an individual teacher doesn't have the money, influence or time to make changes. I have never understood why people feel that very wealthy people or corporations should have a seat at the table, yet they don't realize that by taking away unions, they are eliminating a seat at the bargaining table for critical public employees. If there was no union (which too many people think is the simple answer, hah!), who would represent the teachers. Anyway, good luck to all of you, no matter how you decide. I'm one of many in the silent majority who support you.

  • In reply to cpsparentof2:

    Thank you for understanding what is really at stake and seeing the "big picture"! You must be one of the many parents I have had the pleasure to encounter who understand that we, the teacher and parent, must work as a team to ensure the success of our children. You made my day!

  • I have received the Chicago Board of Education's request lhal the Illinois Educational Labor
    Relations Board (IELRB] engage in emergency rule-making and issue an emergency preservation order for all documents published, used or generated during a strike authorization vote to be conducted by the Chicago Teachers Union, The Chicago Teachers Union has responded to your request.

    There does not appear to be a situation justifying emergency rule-making, See 5 ILCS 10015-
    45(a): County of DuPage v. ILRB, 358 IIi.App.3d 174, 830 N.E.2d 709 (2005). The IELRB anticipates filing a regulatory agenda by July 1, 2012 to effectuate the new provisions of Public Acts 97-0007 and 97-0008. The initial rule-making meeting was held This year, and both in-house and outside legal counsel for the Chicago Board of Education, as well as legal counsel for the Chicago
    Teachers Union, were present. The response from the constituent groups in the field was to begin the rule-making process on July 1, 2012. The Chicago Board of Education. as well as the
    Chicago Teachers Union, will be invited to continue participating in the IELRB's rule-making process, Consequently, I must deny your request.

    Victor Blackweil
    Executive Director
    Jun 5, 2012

  • After of week of reading from the jaded, cynical and deluded on this and various other blogs, reading this commencement address from Wellesley HS in Massachusetts was a fine way to end the week.

    Here’s the text of the speech from The Swellesley Report:

    Dr. Wong, Dr. Keough, Mrs. Novogroski, Ms. Curran, members of the board of education, family and friends of the graduates, ladies and gentlemen of the Wellesley High School class of 2012, for the privilege of speaking to you this afternoon, I am honored and grateful. Thank you.

    So here we are… commencement… life’s great forward-looking ceremony. (And don’t say, “What about weddings?” Weddings are one-sided and insufficiently effective. Weddings are bride-centric pageantry. Other than conceding to a list of unreasonable demands, the groom just stands there. No stately, hey-everybody-look-at-me procession. No being given away. No identity-changing pronouncement. And can you imagine a television show dedicated to watching guys try on tuxedos? Their fathers sitting there misty-eyed with joy and disbelief, their brothers lurking in the corner muttering with envy. Left to men, weddings would be, after limits-testing procrastination, spontaneous, almost inadvertent… during halftime… on the way to the refrigerator. And then there’s the frequency of failure: Statistics tell us half of you will get divorced. A winning percentage like that’ll get you last place in the American League East. The Baltimore Orioles do better than weddings.)

    But this ceremony… commencement… a commencement works every time. From this day forward… truly… in sickness and in health, through financial fiascos, through midlife crises and passably attractive sales reps at trade shows in Cincinnati, through diminishing tolerance for annoyingness, through every difference, irreconcilable and otherwise, you will stay forever graduated from high school, you and your diploma as one, ‘til death do you part.

    No, commencement is life’s great ceremonial beginning, with its own attendant and highly appropriate symbolism. Fitting, for example, for this auspicious rite of passage, is where we find ourselves this afternoon, the venue. Normally, I avoid clichés like the plague, wouldn’t touch them with a ten-foot pole, but here we are on a literal level playing field. That matters. That says something. And your ceremonial costume… shapeless, uniform, one-size-fits-all. Whether male or female, tall or short, scholar or slacker, spray-tanned prom queen or intergalactic X-Box assassin, each of you is dressed, you’ll notice, exactly the same. And your diploma… but for your name, exactly the same.

    All of this is as it should be, because none of you is special.

    You are not special. You are not exceptional.

    Contrary to what your soccer trophy suggests, your glowing seventh grade report card, despite every assurance of a certain corpulent purple dinosaur, that nice Mister Rogers and your batty Aunt Sylvia, no matter how often your maternal caped crusader has swooped in to save you… you’re nothing special.

    Yes, you’ve been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble-wrapped. Yes, capable adults with other things to do have held you, kissed you, fed you, wiped your mouth, wiped your bottom, trained you, taught you, tutored you, coached you, listened to you, counseled you, encouraged you, consoled you and encouraged you again. You’ve been nudged, cajoled, wheedled and implored. You’ve been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. Yes, you have. And, certainly, we’ve been to your games, your plays, your recitals, your science fairs. Absolutely, smiles ignite when you walk into a room, and hundreds gasp with delight at your every tweet. Why, maybe you’ve even had your picture in the Townsman! And now you’ve conquered high school… and, indisputably, here we all have gathered for you, the pride and joy of this fine community, the first to emerge from that magnificent new building…

    But do not get the idea you’re anything special. Because you’re not.

    The empirical evidence is everywhere, numbers even an English teacher can’t ignore. Newton, Natick, Nee… I am allowed to say Needham, yes? …that has to be two thousand high school graduates right there, give or take, and that’s just the neighborhood Ns. Across the country no fewer than 3.2 million seniors are graduating about now from more than 37,000 high schools. That’s 37,000 valedictorians… 37,000 class presidents… 92,000 harmonizing altos… 340,000 swaggering jocks… 2,185,967 pairs of Uggs. But why limit ourselves to high school? After all, you’re leaving it. So think about this: even if you’re one in a million, on a planet of 6.8 billion that means there are nearly 7,000 people just like you. Imagine standing somewhere over there on Washington Street on Marathon Monday and watching sixty-eight hundred yous go running by. And consider for a moment the bigger picture: your planet, I’ll remind you, is not the center of its solar system, your solar system is not the center of its galaxy, your galaxy is not the center of the universe. In fact, astrophysicists assure us the universe has no center; therefore, you cannot be it. Neither can Donald Trump… which someone should tell him… although that hair is quite a phenomenon.

    “But, Dave,” you cry, “Walt Whitman tells me I’m my own version of perfection! Epictetus tells me I have the spark of Zeus!” And I don’t disagree. So that makes 6.8 billion examples of perfection, 6.8 billion sparks of Zeus. You see, if everyone is special, then no one is. If everyone gets a trophy, trophies become meaningless. In our unspoken but not so subtle Darwinian competition with one another — which springs, I think, from our fear of our own insignificance, a subset of our dread of mortality — we have of late, we Americans, to our detriment, come to love accolades more than genuine achievement. We have come to see them as the point — and we’re happy to compromise standards, or ignore reality, if we suspect that’s the quickest way, or only way, to have something to put on the mantelpiece, something to pose with, crow about, something with which to leverage ourselves into a better spot on the social totem pole. No longer is it how you play the game, no longer is it even whether you win or lose, or learn or grow, or enjoy yourself doing it… Now it’s “So what does this get me?”

    As a consequence, we cheapen worthy endeavors, and building a Guatemalan medical clinic becomes more about the application to Bowdoin than the well-being of Guatemalans. It’s an epidemic — and in its way, not even dear old Wellesley High is immune… one of the best of the 37,000 nationwide, Wellesley High School… where good is no longer good enough, where a B is the new C, and the midlevel curriculum is called Advanced College Placement. And I hope you caught me when I said “one of the best.” I said “one of the best” so we can feel better about ourselves, so we can bask in a little easy distinction, however vague and unverifiable, and count ourselves among the elite, whoever they might be, and enjoy a perceived leg up on the perceived competition. But the phrase defies logic. By definition there can be only one best. You’re it or you’re not.

    If you’ve learned anything in your years here I hope it’s that education should be for, rather than material advantage, the exhilaration of learning. You’ve learned, too, I hope, as Sophocles assured us, that wisdom is the chief element of happiness. (Second is ice cream… just an fyi) I also hope you’ve learned enough to recognize how little you know… how little you know now… at the moment… for today is just the beginning. It’s where you go from here that matters.

    As you commence, then, and before you scatter to the winds, I urge you to do whatever you do for no reason other than you love it and believe in its importance. Don’t bother with work you don’t believe in any more than you would a spouse you’re not crazy about, lest you too find yourself on the wrong side of a Baltimore Orioles comparison. Resist the easy comforts of complacency, the specious glitter of materialism, the narcotic paralysis of self-satisfaction. Be worthy of your advantages. And read… read all the time… read as a matter of principle, as a matter of self-respect. Read as a nourishing staple of life. Develop and protect a moral sensibility and demonstrate the character to apply it. Dream big. Work hard. Think for yourself. Love everything you love, everyone you love, with all your might. And do so, please, with a sense of urgency, for every tick of the clock subtracts from fewer and fewer; and as surely as there are commencements there are cessations, and you’ll be in no condition to enjoy the ceremony attendant to that eventuality no matter how delightful the afternoon.

    The fulfilling life, the distinctive life, the relevant life, is an achievement, not something that will fall into your lap because you’re a nice person or mommy ordered it from the caterer. You’ll note the founding fathers took pains to secure your inalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness–quite an active verb, “pursuit”–which leaves, I should think, little time for lying around watching parrots rollerskate on YouTube. The first President Roosevelt, the old rough rider, advocated the strenuous life. Mr. Thoreau wanted to drive life into a corner, to live deep and suck out all the marrow. The poet Mary Oliver tells us to row, row into the swirl and roil. Locally, someone… I forget who… from time to time encourages young scholars to carpe the heck out of the diem. The point is the same: get busy, have at it. Don’t wait for inspiration or passion to find you. Get up, get out, explore, find it yourself, and grab hold with both hands. (Now, before you dash off and get your YOLO tattoo, let me point out the illogic of that trendy little expression–because you can and should live not merely once, but every day of your life. Rather than You Only Live Once, it should be You Live Only Once… but because YLOO doesn’t have the same ring, we shrug and decide it doesn’t matter.)

    None of this day-seizing, though, this YLOOing, should be interpreted as license for self-indulgence. Like accolades ought to be, the fulfilled life is a consequence, a gratifying byproduct. It’s what happens when you’re thinking about more important things. Climb the mountain not to plant your flag, but to embrace the challenge, enjoy the air and behold the view. Climb it so you can see the world, not so the world can see you. Go to Paris to be in Paris, not to cross it off your list and congratulate yourself for being worldly. Exercise free will and creative, independent thought not for the satisfactions they will bring you, but for the good they will do others, the rest of the 6.8 billion–and those who will follow them. And then you too will discover the great and curious truth of the human experience is that selflessness is the best thing you can do for yourself. The sweetest joys of life, then, come only with the recognition that you’re not special.

    Because everyone is.

    Congratulations. Good luck. Make for yourselves, please, for your sake and for ours, extraordinary lives.

  • NBC 5 is reporting that CTU has over 90% yes for a strike authorization vote!

  • People please be considerate when posting. Although the information might be insightful, try to refrain from posting articles that are too long to be relevant. In the future just include the link and I'm sure those who are interested will visit it or read it later. Alexander maybe there should be a word limit. Some of these posts are actual dissertations!!

  • In reply to SickandTired:

    I give you the cynical and the jaded . . .I'll reserve judgment on "deluded" . . .This is an education blog. A little inspiration on what it's about every once and awhile should be welcomed, not brushed aside as an inconvenience.

  • Dear SickandTired,

    Allow me, please, a dissenting view. I enjoyed that long post (and would like to know who delivered the speech). Had there merely been a link, I would never have bothered to follow the link and read it. It's probably a generational thing, I suppose.

  • (responding to myself) So I Googled it... It was David McCullough Jr., an English teacher at the school...

  • Headache299
    Labor Beat: Chicago Teachers Stand Strong

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOLj6B4cF2w

  • Rahm and Brizard, if you did negotiate in good faith, don't lie that you have no money for maintaining lower class sizes, support for a rich curriculum and essential wrap around services, and just compensation for teachers from the get go! There is money, but that would entail you to open up CEO's educational priorities and contracts that you have in place for your inane non research based mandates that you place on teachers and other support professionals. If you were honest about negotiating, you would look at TIF money that recently has shown that is best spent were the affluent are. If you did negotiate in good faith, you would open up the fiscal books to scrutiny.

  • Headache299

    Speaking of Rahm and lies, here is the group who ran last week’s anti-union ads

    AKPD Message and Media at

    http://akpdmedia.com/

  • Good article from Jacqueline Edelberg on Huffington Post. In the spirit of both SickandTired and Curmudgeon, I'll summarize the article and provide the link.

    Basically, she loves teachers, respects union, think they deserve a raise, but thinks that Lewis' call for a strike authorization vote creates a volatile situation that SB7 sought to avoid, and raises teachers expectations too high. So, she pleads with her child's teacher not to strike saying that it may very well undo the progress her community has made in improving Nettelhorst school over the last 10 years.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacqueline-edelberg/chicago-teacher-strike_b_1583926.html

  • In reply to Paul:

    It is because of SB7 that this had to happen! Teachers wanting to make sure that it's not just millionaires or heiresses (Edelberg) who get to stand up for what they believe. SB7 tried to frighten teachers into submission (what Edelberg acknowledges was indeed its intention), and teachers came back and legally, individually, and collectively voted their opinions. Edelberg's other writings all point to her immense privilege - and she clearly is blinded by that in this 'treatise'.

  • In reply to OopsSorry:

    You are right. All the public has to do is look to SB 7 to find the genesis for this strike vote. JCB tried to tout the collaboration of the bill- I say BS. Let any nay sayer hear the words of that smug turd, Edelman as he breaks down SB 7 and how they "jammed it down their throats" ( in reference to CTU). Stand on children and the other groups played the old game of "divide and conquer" by isolating the CTU from the other unions by adding several laws that were specific to CPS (like the 75% threshold). Edelman in closing remarks "the union can't strike in Chicago. They will never be able to muster the 75% needed to strike." Tomorrow Mr. Edelman, when you hear the overwhelming numbers of CTU members that voted to authorize a strike, I hope you think back to that meeting at the Aspen Institute. I also Mr. Edelman say to you, ( and I am sure I speak for many CTU teachers and support staff) to never test the resolve, the courage , the fight nor the tenacity of the CTU to organize, advocate and excersize our rights to protect both our profession and the students (families) that we serve.

  • In reply to Maestro:

    Headache299
    Two fingers in the Vaseline tub for Edelman, Buzard and tutu Rahm!

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/13106001-418/sources-cps-teachers-authorize-strike.html

  • In reply to Paul:

    Stand 4 Corporate dollars ( Stand4.... ) was selected by unscrupulous politicians to help draft SB7 to break the union. One of the pillars of privatizing public schools is to break the union for the sake of private charters to take in our tax dollars.. kind of like CORPORATE WELFARE. Rahm's aim is to break CTU. Teachers understand fully well that the Mayors of Chicago and CEO's of CPS are about "privatizing" public education. CTU will maintain the high ground. Rahm and Brizard are left telling lies and half lies to defend their indefensible position. Rahm and Brizard, need to come correct to the bargaining table.

  • In reply to Paul:

    Nettelhorst is to turnarounds as oranges are to pipe bombs.

  • In reply to Paul:

    "Ah, just a nice, impartial "CPS mommy"... who happens to be the author of a book on school "reform" featuring a forward by Arne Duncan and contributions from Rahm Emanuel. Give me a break." Paul missed this jewel of a comment.

  • In reply to Paul:

    Don't you find it strange that her article essentially parrots what all CPS officials have been saying for the past week? I'm not sure how you "love" teachers but expect them to sit by while someone dismantles their profession?! She also blames Karen Lewis for this vote and the union's push-back against the district. This is another common ploy by those who don't get it. What she doesn't realize is that the union is the teachers. Karen Lewis simply represents us and the 90%+ vote demonstrates just that. It just makes me more certain of my need to rally with my brothers and sisters when someone blames the union leadership but "loves" teachers. Not sure how much more disingenuous Edelberg could be.

  • In reply to Paul:

    The union and it's teachers need this strike vote in order to get treated fairly. The teachers are being offered 2% extra pay to have a heavier work load thrown at them. You also forget that the board took away the 4% raise that was binding by contract from the teachers this year. I really hate when they call the extra pay teachers are asking for a "raise". The teachers want to be paid for the extra time they are being asked to work, which is very fair in my opinion.

    The reason unions were organized back in the day was because there were so many people being treated poorly. People had to work under deplorable conditions for long hours and for very little pay and the employee had no say-so whatsoever. This is why we have unions. If we lived in a society where the workplace was fair and honest and everyone was treated with respect then maybe we would have no need for unions, but lets face it, we have a very long way to go before we get there.

    I am still tyring to figure out how they passed a law that discriminates against the Chicago Teachers in terms of them having to obtain a 75% majority vote to get a strike. This law only pertains to Chicago Teachers which seems very unconstitutional in my opinion. This is just another reason we why we need unions!

  • A Future for Teachers Unions, But Only with a Fight
    Educators in Chicago, incited by union passivity amid continued assault from corporate reformers, organized to defend their communities, schools, and profession
    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/10-10

  • Headache299
    Teachers union: More than 75 percent vote to authorize strike

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-teachers-union-more-than-75-percent-vote-to-authorize-strike-20120610,0,1382720.story

  • I want to thank Paul for providing the link to Dr. Jacqueline Edelberg's very coherent commentary on why teachers should not strike. I share with her some concerns about the adverse impact of a strike on students in particular students with disabilities, including "midgets" and other freaks which Dr. Edelberg made some less than let us say politically correct general references to.

    Dr. Edelberg makes some questionable comments in relation to SB7 and the ability of Edwin Benn the independent arbitrator on the fact-finding panel to issue rational recommendations that will resolve the current impasse given the legal restrictions placed on Mr. Benn by SB7. But since Dr. Edelberg is in fact a political scientist there is probably little doubt she has read SB7 and fully understands the limitations Mr. Benn is placed under and agrees with those limitations.

    Tonight at 7pm I will be part of a panel being sponsored by Raise Your Hand in the field house at Hass Park and I am going to discuss hopefully in some detail the major problems inherent in SB7 and how I see this issue as having increased the possibility of a strike rather than having reduced it. I fully intend on speaking directly to many of issues Dr. Edelberg raises in her thoughtful commentary.

    Rod Estvan

  • Snarky Rod, very snarky. Sorry to see you get to this level lately. You used to be one of the few "adults" on this blog.

  • In reply to district299reader:

    I agree I was being particularly sarcastically critical, but to be honest Dr. Edelberg, and she is a PhD with rather impressive credentials, drew it out in me with her own little tirade relating to Matt Farmer and polarizing freak shows. But I agree my father taught me better than to reply in kind unless I was either in combat or on a wrestling mat. I shall try in the future to show greater restraint. By the way the RYH discussion starts at 6:30 tonight not 7:00.

    Rod Estvan

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