Secret Hiring Process & Payroll Cost Question


How do top schools fill openings without listing job availabilities and getting swamped with candidates?  I'm not sure.  But it seems to happen all the time, based on comments and emails like this one from a reader:  "I interviewed yesterday for an English opening at Payton (didn't get it) and also was tipped off about an opening at Lincoln Park HS (which the department chair said they just filled). Neither of these jobs was posted on the district website, yet others are. I was under the impression that schools have to post the openings."  Also, while we're on the topic of hiring, does it really cost a school anything more to hire a veteran teacher?  I was under the impression that the district gave schoosl teacher slots and average salary costs but that the true actual costs weren't absorbed by the schools but rather averaged across the district.  Please fill me in.


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  • obviously more experienced and certificated teachers make more -- but that's different from who pays the actual salary costs (the school or the district). in many districts teachers are paid by the district not the school; the school gets spots according to enrollment and can fill them with veterans or newbies as they see fit. so what i'm asking -- not very successfully -- is whether the schools in chicago pay the actual salary costs (be they high or low) for core teachers (not discretionary), or whether the district pays the actual salary costs and leaves the schools out of it.

  • Not only did we not lose any teachers, but becaue of increasing enrollment, we opened several new positions.

    The principal likes to hire people who did their student teaching with us. (Nearly half my department falls into that category.) He also likes people who have done substitute teaching here for awhile--especially if they volunteered alot or did extra duties.

    As far as displaced teachers go--if someone comes in for an interview with him, has a portfolio of his/her work, and makes a really good presentation, he has no problem hiring them.

    But he simply will not give displaced teachers sent here by the Board a chance. We had three today, and he didn't even introduce them (after doing so with all the new people he hired). He'll keep them the 60 days (per Appendix H), and then get rid of them. He just feels very strongly (and is backed up by state law) that the Principal gets to do the hiring, and not some bureaucrat down at central office.

    We know that many displaced teachers become displaced through no fault of their own, but our anecdotal experience has been that they are just not good teachers. We got two last year. One guy made anti-Semitic remarks to his classes, and another told a couple women teachers that they should stay home with their own children. The faculty was glad to see them get the boot at the end of their 60 days.

  • If you believe the following contract article has been violated download a grievance authorization, fill it out, write up a narrative of what happened with dates, time, names and places.

    Then fax it to the union with any documents that document the contract violation. If you want to stay anonymous please say so on your grievance authorization and we file for the school or department through the union.



    35-1. Notice of all promotional and professional opportunities occurring during the school year, including those filled by teachers on loan, shall be posted in all school offices at least ten days and, when practical, twenty days prior to the closing date for applications. In the event such opportunities arise outside the school term, the BOARD shall notify the UNION and advertise (1) in the Personnel Bulletin, (2) on the Chicago Public Schools

  • if this is true -- thanks for commenting -- then where's the money pressure on principals to hire newbies for quota positions that we always hear about on this site and elsewhere? a veteran doesn't cost a school anything more than a newbie, for quota positions that i'm assuming make up the vast majority of staff spots in a school?

  • here's the latest from ben joravsky on the "redefinition" of 241 teacher jobs, and the loss of 33 NBC teachers in the crazy cps layoff process that's going on now -- i'll post this in the sunny dubow section, too -- lots of good details in her

  • In reply to AlexanderRusso:

    commenters to the reader story note that nancy slavin is gone, that joravsky's letter omits any focus on what neater-dubow may have done or not done to imperil her position, and that specific decisions like these are made at the school /lSc level and may have been in the works as far back as january.

  • The system CPS uses to pay schools for regular education teachers was correctly explained by one of the posters. There are quota or enrollment based positions and then there are NCLB Title I called discretion funded positions. There are also a small number of grant based positions.

    To explain this I will only look at the elementary school level where CPS pays for all regular teachers out of unit 19098. CPS has for FY 2011 budgeted $1,174,834,479 for salaries (not inclusive of pension and benefits) of regular education teachers in elementary schools positions. We can break down this total by the source of the funds $966,218,311 comes from the general fund, another $72,198,626 is funded from the supplemental general state aid dollars, another $75,631,355 comes from the NCLB federal dollars, and $60,786,187 comes from other grants.

    CPS estimates that this amount of money will pay for 10,001.3 regular elementary teacher positions (there are also other type of teacher positions such as head teacher, program option teachers, etc that are not part of this total) of these 7,917.9 are paid for out the general fund i.e. quota teachers, another 909.8 are paid for by supplemental general state aid dollars these are also quota teachers, NCLB federal dollars pay for 941.2 positions and these are discretionary positions, and other grants will pay for 232.4 positions these are likely not to be quota positions but are not necessarily discretionary either.

    Therefore, out of the total 10,001.3 positions 8,827,7 or 88.3% of all elementary regular education teaching positions would likely be quota positions where the actual cost of the individual teacher does not impact the elementary school. 9.4% of the regular elementary teaching positions are directly related to the pot of NCLB dollars a particular school has and therefore the salary of an individual teacher would clearly be a rational part of the hiring process on the part of the principal. About 2.3% of positions are subject to the particular grant funds and likely the cost of the teacher could be a relevant factor.

    I am not clear why the estimated average salary is so high for regular elementary school teachers without pensions and health care etc included. But these are the estimated numbers that are in the budget for FY 2011. All of this information is on line if anyone wants to check what I have posted.

    Rod Estvan

  • To "The Truth": Who at the Board wrote that line of BS for you? If Principals aren't hiring younger teachers, how do you explain a loss of nearly 2 years in average teacher experience over the past 10 years? Data-driven drones should explain.

  • In reply to chitownteacher:

    great comment, chitown -- but two years actually seems sort of moderate over ten years. where do you get the number from? seems like it should be much bigger.

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