Hey, Bernie's kids: Check out the mess in China

Do you fans of Bernie Sanders actually think that socialism works? Then check out what's happening in China where it's version of socialism is killing people and threatening a world-wide pandemic of deadly coronavirus.

Yes, yes, I know. You say that Bernie's is talking about the type of socialism as practiced in Scandinavia and not the Chinese brand of communism.

But the argument is deceptive.* The essence of both forms of government is top-down, centralized decision-making. Both have their roots in Karl

Karl Marx, the father of it all.

Karl Marx, the father of it all.

Marx's dogma of utopian socialism in which government owns the means of production. Both consider you and everyone e lse to be the "masses" who need higher authority to make critical decisions.

And it is the cause of the mess in China and the deadly threat it has handed off to the rest of the world. Thank you very much.

In China, the top end of the power pyramid failed to recognize the threat that the coronavirus virus. Read how  powers that be actually punished a doctor, Li Wenliang, who warned of the dangers, a doctor who ironically then died from the virus he caught while trying to save his patients.  (Subscription may be required.)

Top-down decision-making failed to provide the tools to combat the disease. It's rushing to throw up hospitals overnight came too late. It has been forced to take drastic action, quarantining tens of millions of people in cities. The government censors are busy at work forbidding its (not so free) media from publishing anything about the epidemic that's not official government pronouncements.

And the latest disclosure by the New York Times:

Precisely the kind of closed and destructive society that is the spawn of socialism.

By the way, stick a fork into the kind a Scandinavian socialism that Bernie says he's for. Read, "Bernie Sanders Dreams Of ‘Scandinavian Socialism.’ The Only Problem? It Has Long Since Failed"

Marx believed that capitalism "contained the seeds of its own destruction." So far, we're still waiting. One thing made clear by the death of communism in the Soviet Union and the utter failure of socialism in Venezuela and the withering of socialism in Scandinavia, what's no longer up for debate is that socialism contains the seeds of its own destruction.

*This from History.com, talking about the similarities between the two:

Both socialism and communism are essentially economic philosophies advocating public rather than private ownership, especially of the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods (i.e. making money) in a society. Both aim to fix the problems they see as created by a free-market capitalist system, including the exploitation of workers and a widening gulf between rich and poor.

True, there are some differences the article discusses, such as communism is usually introduced through "revolution"--some that Sanders says, although we're not exactly sure what he's advocating. In purely Marxian terms, his "socialism" is the stage in history that comes before the communist utopia and his disciples in Russia and China used that thinking to justify the doctrinaire and violent suppression that was their nature.

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  • You've tried this argument before. Socialism has many forms going back millennia, and it is not true that they "have their roots in Karl." Many sources could cited, but Encyclopedia Britannica is a good beginning point. https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism

  • In reply to jnorto:

    A market economy goes back to when the first human traded something for something else, with another human. A socialist economy is where the trade is decided by a third party who takes possession of the items, spits the items, and then gives the smaller fragments to the individuals and keeps a large portion of both the items. Only one party gets what it really wants -- the socialist master.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Let me remind you, Richard, that the early Christian community put in place a form of socialism. And Jesus himself if not a socialist, was certainly not a capitalist.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Yes, and the argument remains valid. The kind of socialism we’re discussing here have their roots in Marx.

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    No, the kind of socialism we're discussing here has its roots in Bismarck's Germany.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    Where do you think Marx was from?

  • I don't think either of you knows anything about socialism. That's why I suggested some reading that might help clear up your foggy generalizations.

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Suppose you enlighten we the unwashed?

    And of course, the "details" of socialism vs the "generalizations" are what makes socialism successful. Now, if some country can only find somebody smart enough to "do" socialism right. However, the search for the right person to make it work continues and meanwhile millions suffer and die. Small price to pay for "equality of outcome," I know.

    We -- or at least I-- await your guidance.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Richard, why don't you at least be consistent and reject the socialist policies we do have, like Social Security, Medicare, the VA, and others?

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    Me too.

  • In reply to Richard Davis:

    As Aquinas points out, we already have socialist policies. Western Europe has even more. All while rejecting Marxism. But when the word "socialism" is used, Pavlov's dogs start salivating--or in this case, barking "communism." I have suggested reading on the issue, but this didn't seem to strike a chord.

  • I had to make an account to comment that this is one of the most uninformed, boomer articles I have ever read. Thanks for the laugh.

  • I’m not a Boomer.

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