More Obama lies, this time on vote fraud

President Barack Obama on April 11 to Al Sharpton's National Action Network echoed the progressive/liberal/Democratic line that there's so little voter fraud in America that we don't need to impose stricter voter identification laws or even be concerned about it.

This usually brings about big yucks for people who have been around Chicago for any length of time, say one month. Voter fraud to paraphrase an old saying here, occurs early and often.

Two "studies" often are cited to prop up the argument that vote fraud is rare. Robert D. Popper debunks both of them, exposing them for what they are: Either a fool or a blind ideologue believes them.

My earlier thoughts, based on real research, on the bogus arguments dismissing voter fraud are here and here.
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Tags: Chicago, Obama, voter fraud

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  • Requiring an ID is one thing---though this will work toward preventing many eligible voters from voting----but Republican governors and legislatures are doing more than that. They are restricting the hours to vote, early voting, Sunday voting, etc. This is blatant vote suppression. Whatever the statistics of actual vote fraud, to limit opportunities to vote has nothing to do with it..
    Let's not be so disingenuous. You know darn well this is a Republican strategy to win the next election. One Republican operative even is notorious for saying so in the 1980s..

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    So everything the Republicans do is a strategy to win the next election, while everything the Democrats do is altruistic, got it, and you know this from a Republican statement from 34 years ago...

  • In reply to 4zen:

    I guess you forgot what Mitch McConnell said after Obama was elected to his first term. That the Republicans would do all they could to prevent his reelection.

    This is the reason for the Republican obstructionism, especially in the House.

  • In reply to Aquinas wired:

    I haven't forgotten, my point is neither party is altruistic so your point is true of both parties. Proper ID is good for everyone so no one can hide behind an excuse.

  • I don't see any "evidence" in the Popper op-ed from the Wall Street Journal. His goal, as is the goal of most people writing in this area, is to "debunk" opponent's arguments, not to support their own. Can you point to nonpartisan scientific studies that estimate the numbers of fraudulent votes that would have been stopped by voter ID laws? I think that before we make the exercise of a constitutional right difficult, we should have clear evidence that roadblocks are necessary.

  • http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/24m-voter-registrations-invalid-pew-reports/

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72830.html

  • In reply to Dennis Byrne:

    Still, David Becker, director of Pew’s Election Initiatives, said that the center’s findings did not suggest any kind of voter fraud or voter suppression from these problems, but noted they do “underscore the need for an improved system.”

    So what is the ACTUAL percentage of voter fraud in this country?

    "Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas."

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-fraud-real-rare/story?id=17213376

    Seems like the GOP is actually trying to prevent people from voting and trying to make an almost non-existent problem a bigger issue than Benhgazi.

  • I don't see either of these reports addressing my question: how many fraudulent votes would have been stopped by voter ID laws? Both reports are of the Pew study showing a total number of invalid or inaccurate registrations. Many--maybe most--of these registrants would have been able to vote even with voter ID. How many who actually voted would have been prevented from doing so by requiring a photo ID?

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Here is another article, 35,000 double vote in N. Carolina and then in other states.

    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?id=9489311

    Maybe the answer to your question is 'all of them.'

  • In reply to 4zen:

    Did you see this line in the story?
    "The Board of Elections was careful to say they don't have proof of fraud, but they have good reason to look closer."

  • In reply to jnorto:

    Yeah, I saw that line, we all have to be careful these days. At some point Occam's Razor does apply.

  • So, Dennis, where is the evidence of the Obama "lies"? Or is "lies," like "fascism," a bit of hyperbole you toss around to disparage those with whom you disagree?

  • A federal judge in Wisconsin saw no indication of a "voter impersonation" problem when he threw out the state's GOP-manufactured voter ID law on Monday. What he did see is that the law would “prevent more legitimate votes from being cast than fraudulent votes.” And that, of course, was its reason for existence.

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