The Season Begins Tonight...(and Opening Night Game Thread)

The Season Begins Tonight...(and Opening Night Game Thread)

Tonight's game prediction:

Denver Broncos 27, Baltimore Ravens 13

I am re-running my ruminations/predictions column from August 27. This column will also serve as tonight's opening game thread.

I do it every year and have been 50% or better on predictions each year I've done em. This year I mix and match prediction with ruminations. Every team gets at least one mention with an overwhelming emphasis on your 2013 Chicago Bears.

  1. I think the Bears win the NFC North.
  2. Without Nicks and Cruz healthy I don't see the Giants as more than an 8-8 team. And Nicks and Cruz are never healthy at the same time. Also, I think it's odd that Victor Cruz signed a lucrative contract extension and a week later: "I think the No. 1 wideout is Hakeem Nicks,” Cruz said. "I mean, he's been here longer, he understands this offense. He's our big-play guy, he's on the outside. So I definitely think he's our No. 1 receiver, there's no doubt about it." To use the Andrew Brandt approach, translation: Yeah I'm rich but don't expect too much.
  3. Second point on the Giants. What's their aversion to having talented linebackers? In the late 80s/early 90s the Giants had Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks and Harry Carson playing LB and now they have Mark Herzlich, Keith Rivers, Spencer Paysinger, Jacquian Williams...etc.?
  4. Enough on the Giants, Jeff! Okay.
  5. Cowboys have an offensive head coach (Jason Garret) whose been stripped of his play-calling duties (in favor of Bill Callahan) and has a legendary defensive coordinator (Monte Kiffin) put in place. Find me any time in the history of football where this kind of setup worked.
  6. I'm rooting against Chip Kelly because I just don't like him. I think these college coaches who cheat the system, leave their programs to be ravaged by the NCAA and flee to the NFL are one of the lowest life forms in the sporting universe. And his quarterback is a dog killer. And his team plays in Philadelphia. Has there been a team in recent memory this easy to root against? 4th place in the NFC East.
  7. If Robert Griffin III plays 12+ games in 2013 the Redskins win the division. If he plays fewer it's a crap shoot.
  8. I think Matt Forte will eclipse 1,750 yards total from scrimmage this year. If he gets to 2,000 he will be a top two or three candidate for MVP.
  9. The Bears need eighteen sacks out of Shea McClellin, Corey Wootton and Henry Melton. I say they get it.
  10. Norv Turner is probably the modern era's finest offensive coordinator but I'm not buying the preseason Brandon Weeden hype.
  11. I think Jarvis Jones is going to be one hell of a Steelers linebacker.
  12. When Joe Flacco drops back to pass and Torrey Smith is covered downfield...where is he throwing the ball? Dennis Pitta and Anquan Boldin are the reasons Joe is much, much richer these days. I don't see the replacements on that roster.
  13. There is no more important in the whole of the NFL than Andy Dalton. You think that's an exaggeration? It's not. The Bengals lineup is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. If Dalton plays well they are title contenders. If he struggles, they struggle.
  14. I think Devin Hester finds the end zone three times year.
  15. I think the Bears offense will finish the season ranked 14th in the NFL.
  16. I think Jay Cutler will throw more than 30 TDs and less than 15 INTs.
  17. How does the Detroit Lions buzz start each year? Do all of the national writers look at their roster, see the talented guys and declare them ready for the postseason at once? Where are they better in 2013 than they were in 2012? Reggie Bush? That just isn't enough for me.
  18. I think Matt Cassel starts more games than Christian Ponder at QB for the Minnesota Vikings. I don't think injuries will be involved.
  19. The reason Brett Favre never missed a game in all that time: luck. Not toughness. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are every bit as tough as Favre  but you can't out-tough a torn ACL or dislocated neck. And Favre was a big fan of playing poorly whilst injured and blaming the injury after the fact - because he's an asshole. If Aaron Rodgers keeps taking hits the hits will take their toll. And this looks to me like a worse offensive line than he had a year ago.
  20. Brandon Marshall will catch 106 passes.
  21. Matt Forte will catch 67.
  22. Alshon Jeffery will catch 48.
  23. Martellus Bennett will catch 44.
  24. Earl Bennett will catch 38.
  25. The Jaguars play in Jacksonville, Florida. My brother lives there. (This fulfills my obligation to discuss every team.)
  26. From our friend Jim Wyatt at The Tennessean: "Several others are also having an impressive camp, but [Chris] Johnson has been turning heads since the first practice. He’s in good shape, looks explosive and re-energized. Early signs are he’s going to benefit greatly from having Shonn Green around to help shoulder the rushing load." Why do I think the Titans won't be too bad this year?
  27. My prediction for Breakout Player of 2013: Colts WR T.Y. Hilton. Reggie Wayne was excellent in 2012 but I think Andrew Luck passes the baton to his new favorite target in 2013. I say 82 catches, over a 1,000 yards and over 10 touchdowns.
  28. It is not easy to be the Houston Texans. They won't play a game that truly matters this season until January. Eventually these Super Bowl or Bust teams either win the fucking thing or implode. It's usually the latter.
  29. Adam Podlesh will cost the Bears in a big spot this year.
  30. Bears will struggle to defend the middle of the field early in the season due to a severe learning curve for Frey and Bostic.
  31. The most important statistic for Jay Cutler this year will be average completion (sans YAC). If he is completing a majority of his passes within the 3-10 yard range he is executing this offense and not taking reckless chances from a collapsing pocket.
  32. There are three teams in the AFC East who did not lose their best wide receiver to free agency. There are three teams in the AFC East who did not lose their best tight end to another in a long line of debilitating injuries. There are three teams in the AFC East who did not lose one of their most valued weapons because it turns out he's a mass murdering fuckhead. And I didn't even consider picking one of those three teams to win the division. #TomBrady
  33. Peyton Manning with Wes Welker is the most perfect pairing of veteran quarterback/receiver since Randy Moss signed to catch balls from Tom Brady.
  34. Why I like the Chiefs this year: (1) They've erased their two most significant issues by replacing the head coach and quarterback. (2) They have four games against the Raiders and Chargers.
  35. How long ago was it Phil Rivers was being discussed as one of the best quarterbacks in the sport? Probably back when he had Darren Sproles and Vincent Jackson and good players around him.
  36. I almost feel bad for Terrelle Pryor. He's not good. He's just not Matt Flynn, who is wretched.
  37. Seahawks GM John Schneider has been rightfully lauded for his recent drafts but this is the same man who traded for and paid Flynn millions based on one game. NFL personnel decisions are 8% analysis, 92% luck. Seahawks should have paid for that decision for years but instead the whole league - including them - passed on Russell Wilson twice.
  38. San Francisco is just good everywhere. If they are not in the postseason they've been ravaged by injuries.
  39. When is the last time Larry Fitzgerald had a professional quarterback throwing him passes? Expect one of those eye-opening statistical performances from him in 2013. I think this year's Carson Palmer-to-Fitz targets will make last year's Cutler-to-Marshall targets look puny.
  40. Has anybody mentioned the name Tavon Austin this preseason? No. The reason is simple: Jeff Fisher is too smart a coach to risk a potentially game-changing superstar for the sake of what naive fans call "reps". I hear it all the time on Twitter. THIS GUY NEEDS REPS! THIS GUY NEEDS REPS! You know which players need reps? Fringe ones.
  41. The biggest surprise on the Bears defense this year will be the emergence of Chris Conte as one of the game's best safeties.
  42. Robbie Gould will not miss a field goal of less than 45 yards all season.
  43. Bears will no longer be futile on third-and-one because they'll hand the ball to Michael Bush and tell him to follow #75.
  44. I was watching a Broncos preseason game and after Peyton Manning had been pulled from a game, he kept his helmet on. When a trainer came by and take it from him Peyton pointed to his ear. He was listening to the play calls in his helmet and watching the execution. This is what Cam Newton was doing when he was pulled from a recent Panthers exhibition: GOOFING AROUND. Does it mean Newton is not good? Of course not. But Thomas Davis - a linebacker and leader - reportedly brought it to his attention. The knock on Newton is maturity. And he doesn't seem to have matured.
  45. I'm already bored by the 10+ win Falcons.
  46. Why I like the Bucs this year: (1) Darrelle Revis - healthy - takes away Julio Jones, Steve Smith and Marques Colston. He c an seriously debilitate some explosive passing games. (2) Josh Freeman showed flashes of brilliance in 2012. Another year in Mike Sullivan's offense will do him wonders. (3) I like them to take three out of four from the AFC East. Split the division and they are 6-4 while drawing Philadelphia and Detroit based on 2012 finish. (4) I'm willing to overlook the influence of Dave Wannstedt.
  47. I make playoff predictions and try to throw a few curve balls into the mix. Anybody can pick the favorites. I like to mix it up.
  48. AFC Playoffs: Broncos, Texans, Bengals, Patriots, Steelers, Chiefs
  49. NFC Playoffs: 49ers, Falcons, Bears, Redskins, Seahawks, Bucs
  50. AFC Wildcard Round : Bengals over Chiefs, Steelers over Patriots
  51. NFC Wildcard Round: Bears over Bucs, Redskins over Seahawks
  52. AFC Division Round: Broncos over Steelers, Bengals over Texans
  53. NFC Division Round: 49ers over Redskins, Bears over Falcons
  54. Championship Games: Broncos over Bengals, 49ers over Bears
  55. Super Bowl: 49ers over Broncos

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  • Just first.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm on the west coast, and should get some credit for a well deserved Second.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Agreed... props to you for a "wee hours of the morning" post.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Hey Viva,

    Were you a fan of The Unit? Great show....

  • It was a good show, too bad it got canned. :(

  • I have never seen The Unit. Just Googled it...looks interesting.

    My first wife turned me on to Dexter. She claims I am his spiritual twin. Nobody likes her.

  • In reply to Viva:

    first wives suck

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good for highlight reel hook-ups.

  • In reply to Viva:

    not mine maings

  • Are you ready for some football boys? Solid first game tonight. Ravens are about to find out that Flacco playing without a decent amount of talent around him is a decent quarterback, not a 20mil one.

    Broncos will be hurting without Von Miller and that could affect them greatly this year if the first couple games without him end up in the L column.

  • People still dissing Flacco, saying he won't have as good a season without Anquon Boldin there to bail him out..... I call bullshit. Proof will be in the black & purple puddin

  • In reply to Bender McLugh:

    I couldn't care less, but I'm inclined to agree with you. He looked so sharp in the playoffs last year. It was hardly a fluke.

    And as Cutler has demonstrated, most quarterbacks look average without a stellar supporting cast. By Johnny's logic, When Cutler finally has a good year this year, it will be because of Marshall and Forte and Trestman et. al. The only QB's that I can remember in my lifetime who were great without an all star cast around them were Dan Marino and Tom Brady. Maybe Peyton Manning, though I tend to agree with Irish that he's a bit overrated.

  • I would argue that Cutler has already had good years with the Bears. It's just that his good years were to keep the ship afloat while he played with a bullshit cast and a bullshit script.

    WHEN he has better numbers this year (notice I didn't say "have a good year") it will be as a result of better players, a better scheme and a bolstered line aided by an intelligent type of offensive philosophy.

    The Bears record will reflect all of these pieces coming together.

    Marino had badass fucking WR's every year he played with the Dolphins. Duper? Clayton? Are you kidding me? Duper was such a badass that he had the 2 bar facemask.
    Brady has been the recipient of some of the most innovative offensive playcalling the NFL has ever seen. The continuity of scheme and the personnel working within that scheme was amazing. He didn't have a 6'5 Megatron but that offense didn't call for that type of receiver. He did have Moss though for a while who some would say was pretty good.

    Manning played in the same system for like 20 years. WAS the offensive coordinator and had one of the best WR/TE combos of all time. Then his HOF receiver retired and he was replaced by the Robin (or Nightwing) to the Colt's Batman REGGIE FUCKING WAYNE. ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

    My logic is simple. The overall result will be better with these pieces. Cutler will be more productive because he won't be busy patching holes in the ship, he'll be busy navigating it to the island with all the naked chicks.

  • Can I go there?

  • 2 bar face masks were tits. Lets go!!

  • In reply to Crown:

    tits are tits.

  • Cutler has had mediocre years with the bears. Til now, hopefully

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    In reply to SC Dave:

    No his o line has been mediocre try throwing with 2 guys flying at you it is nearly impossible find someone open.

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    In reply to Dabeast54:

    to find someone open

  • In reply to Dabeast54:

    Excuses are useless, the numbers speak for themselves.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You are correct Sir.

    Marino = 0 superbowls.
    P Manning = worst ever SB MVP performance.
    Cutty only has to be good in ONE superbowl to eclipse these tools. Divisional titles are for trainspotters.

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    In reply to SC Dave:

    a horrible offensive line is a great excuse.

  • Sapp has touted Tannehill to break Marino's '84 numbers. What a fat stupid tool. Both of them.

    I felt Marino was in the same boat as Peyton. He had a genius in Don Shula who got the best out of a big arm and a quick release, but Dan wasn't a smart man. Would have loved another crack at them in '86 with Jimmy at the helm.

  • thursday night football's back baby!!!!

    So pumped for real fb

  • interesting:

    If I was riddel or whoever else makes helmets I would put a couple guys on this ASAP. $10M prolly ain't that much to them, but it's a free $10M to their topline in one shot. Any CEO would love that gift.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I saw that and had a similar thought MB. Then I had a second thought. My kid's wearing a brand new Riddel right now for 8th grade football. If they're motivated to look harder than they already are in their R and D group by someone else's prize money , I'm going to be pissed. I hope they've done all they can to date and that this prize ends up going to some crazy smart weirdo that never applied his chops to helmet technology.

  • I can't make the auction draft tonight.

    I gotta say, Shady, picking the auction on opening game night on a Thursday night was a bad idea. If you want, drop my team - I'm not going to play this season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm likely missing tonight too. :(

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I have work but I did what every fan of Fantasy football does.. Sets their auto-draft up.

    Otherwise, only I can complain.

  • Who's doing the pick em contest? I hope I'm not too late.

    Do we pick who's going to cover for the week, or just win?

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    Great point. Pretty sure it starts next week.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    link to site:

    click on join a group. It's on Yahoo but you can sign in with google or facebook as well.

    Group ID = 38240
    password = number6

    you pick each match against the spread. you assign confidence points to each match - if the result goes your way the points get added to your weekly totals. I'll post up something more detailed on the page later on.

    the bare minimum you have to do tonight is pick against the spread for Denver/Baltimore and pick who will score the most and least amount of points this week (for a tiebreaker).

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Get in this! Everyone!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Thanks, just squeaked in.

  • Dane Sanzenbobbler made the bengals 53 man roster?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    yes, apparently he's scrappy.

    I'll take my 6'4, 6'3, 6'3, 6'1, 6'0 WR's and our 6'6 TE in a heartbeat over the Bengals. Their TE's look good though. Gresham and Eifert. Sounds like a Manhattan boutique divorce law firm.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    That tells me our WR group is deeper than the Bungles. Hopefully he's on the field a bunch and we abuse him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    So long as he's not on the field a bunch and the abuse is going the other way.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Amen. Unless Sanz has improved 100%, he will cause problems for both teams.

  • you guys see this happen?

  • Give Flacco credit, he rolled the dice last year on the contract and made an extra $5 mil/season. Good on him. Until Cutler comes up big in the playoffs/SB, he should make less money.

    Really looking forward to watching a real game. It's on NBC so it shouldn't be horrible. I'm not a fan of Collinsworth but don't dislike him as much as most of you guys. He's a pompous, arrogant ass but he's still better than most of the color guys.

  • What is with all of you turds backing out of the Fantasy thing? I break a rule of my existence to become the 12th guy and you all bail? I feel abandoned and disillusioned.

  • Go ahead, blame me. I figured most people would be available on the first night of real NFL football, but I guess that's not the case. In reality it's nearly impossible to come up with a time that works for everyone. Regardless, we have enough teams to start the league. And for those who can't make it, you can pre-rank players for your auto draft. If not, those of us who will be attending will snatch up the best players for pennies on the dollar. Muahahaha

  • Briggsy...D.J. will start at mike.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    That is the right thing to do. DJ, if healthy, is a great option at Mike. If he fails or gets hurt, sick the rook on them.

  • We have the best situation at Mike in the NFL. We almost want our starter to get injured. I'd love to see a way we could use both on the field at the same time.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    The "starter" label wont mean much because my guess is both guys will get plenty of reps.

  • Jay Cutler: "If you hang onto the ball, every team in the league has someone that can get to the passer."

    He's fully bought in here. He knows that he can more easily move the ball by getting it out of his hands and sometimes making the easy throw to move the chains.

    Oh my god we are going to piss off teams this year with the rhythm of the plays and not letting the pass rush get close. I'm calling less than 25 sacks this year.

  • Talk is cheap

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Someone is trying to clear the koolaid from his system... It's too late though. ;)


    mmmmmmmm... briiiiisket.... and pooooork buuuuuuutt (yes, I'd be a little conflicted if I were Kosher)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I fucking hate woody allen (the man, not the arteest). And those two dudes are pretty good for pommys.

    This is what I'd like to do to... well... him:


    How long you been in the league? Who are you????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tie your shoe, Jamarcus! I mean, damn man!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I know. I chuckled and then cried at that one too fucking a man. that dude sums up the lovie/angelo years for me.

  • ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk
    NFL confirms: Read-option quarterbacks can be hit like runners

    Ruh Roh

  • Great news! The stuff shirts at NFL HQ's weren't going to let a college trend take over the NFL. It's only fair. The D has been handcuffed for years with the passing game, at least give them a chance with the running game.

  • The offseason is over.

  • in 2.5 hours.


    lovely chaps. Jesus christ. If that doesn't make your heart race watching it, you are either a sociopath or have been in 'the shit'.

    Fuck humans are a brutal species.

  • 14-2

  • In reply to Viva:

    goddamn right. haters can suck on bear cock.

  • Hey, mufasas, Artoo added a little chat box on the PFN site so if you want to fuck around while watching the game tonight without the gnomes "approving" you every 2 minutes, hop on over there. I'm getting pretty tired of refreshing this motherfucker every 5 seconds during games.

    Don't need an email or any of that bs. Would be great for Bears games too.

  • Trying to remain loyal to Jeff but CN makes it more difficult by the day. I might drop in. Who knows?!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think for game days 'moonlighting' would be fine Canada. This set up here is nearly unbearable. I get excited type, "Boom! Bostic killed him" then enthusiastically press comment, only to get a big red notice, "waiting for admin approval." I'm up to here with it.

    Artoo, Ender, and a few others will be chatting up over there. Feel free to pop in.

    Gnome-free guarantee.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I was loyal to my buddy Raz for years, because during the dark years of Wanny he was the only guy that had Bears games every week. He used to pack his bar on Sundays, but the stubborn fucker would not upgrade his shitty TV's. No HD.

    The last year he was open before retiring and closing my favorite blues bar, he would get 4-10 customers when the Bears weren't on locally. The next time the Bears had a bar game, people told me what bar to check out.

    This place was packed and rowdy, filled with all the same people I met over the years at Nighthawks. Great TV's and drink specials for game day.

    I sure miss all the great music, but I don't miss watching Bears games there.

  • I'm on that bitch now. like a fucking ghost town in there

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha...GAME TIME, MB. Premature rosterbating!

  • I'll stop over. I quit following game day threads last year. This site is bad enough on a long thread already.

  • In reply to Cormonster:

    Shady and MB are over there already, yucking it up.

  • I'm going to do a little exercise on the opening night of this 2013 season. This is for the kids that came on the short bus that continue to spout the lazy cliches of the media. Fucking educate yourself.

    Please answer these questions quietly in the comfort of your own home surrounded by the writings of your favorite hack beat writer or nfl pundit. you know the fucking answers:

    1. Out of all of the Offensive Coordinators that the Bears have had since 2009 through 2012 (there have been 3) - how many are currently involved in any way shape or form with the NFL for coaching?
    2. Out of all of the starting offensive linemen for the Bears from 2009 through 2012 how many are currently starting or started any fucking where else after leaving the Bears?
    3. Out of all of the Running Backs for the Bears from 2009 through 2012 how many are currently in the NFL excluding Bush and Forte?
    4. Out of all of the WR's for the Bears from 2009 through 2012 how many went on to start OR EVEN FUCKING PLAY on any other team in any meaningful role excluding Marshall?
    5. Is it amusing or sad that the starting TE for the Chicago Bears is not in the fucking NFL right now and he's 27?
    6. Do you think it's acceptable that the bears have ignored offense for over 20years?
    7. Given numbers 1-6 do you think the fucking problem is Cutler? Do you think another QB could have done anything differently? Do you remember that despite all of this we were 1 game from the superbowl in 2010? Do you remember that despite all of this we were 7-3 in 2011 and rolling towards the playoffs scoring 30 a fucking game?


  • so please excuse me for being excited about having a fucking chance now with coaches that understand how to play fucking offense with weapons that have the skill to succeed with linemen who may actually provide quality starts and a TE that won't be out of football in a year?

    While having a D and specials.

  • Well sure, if you look at it that way. But I heard on the radio he's kind of a jerk. You know, except when he's at the Children's Hospital visiting kids with cancer in his free time.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Or doing camps for kids with Diabeetus.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    it's the diabeetus that gets you maings

  • dude, where'd everyone go

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    we were drafting! I'm on the chat right now.

  • no, I've already been hurt once.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • Well I guess the points do count for the league of glory.

  • dookiethenacho

    pretty good one ender

  • whoooole lotta OPI already

  • Missed the first half hour of Shady's draft and the computer was spending my money like a drunken sailor on a Saturday night. By the time I got back in the captain's seat, I had $27 left. I seriously doubt that I would have spent $120 out of $200 on a couple of running backs...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I'll trade you for one of your RBs.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Yes, let's talk before this Sunday...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Which QBs/WRs do you want?

  • Hey Crown, its' nearly half-time. Do you get the BJ even if it's not a Bears' game?

    Can you make it an animated gif and put it up on WCG before that tool Dane Noble gets to it?

  • Shady, it's a good thing you didn't play Andy Dalton in game 1. I mean, you have Flacco and Rodgers - so why would you - but if you HAD, you would have been blog slapped for that fo sure.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You missed the draft.

  • 21 FF points from Julius Thomas and it's not even half time.
    Get some, Sac!

  • Jebus.... Brian 'Heather Mills' Urlacher's little narc troll cost the NFL a stern memo

    He's Turrible - just Turrible

  • In reply to gpldan:

    besides being a football god, he's... as tom brady would say... a turd.

  • hey johnny... don't be a piece of shit.


  • I feel like this game should be over, but it's only halftime.

  • In reply to Shady:

    it's going on for.....ever

  • this is a good drive

  • Team FleshCannon, Manning is putting on a laser lightshow right now.

  • In reply to Shady:

    But of course, Manning sucks compared to Cutler. Just ask Yonny.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I picked manning and Cutler as my fantasy qb's.

  • i think u were hussling us. You sure you never played FF?

    Of course, you draft Manning and he has a historic 7 TD, 400 yard night with the likes of Sid Luckman.

    113 points from Manning alone lol

    Poor, Tobi. That guy can't catch a break in FF.

  • Of course, points don't carry over from week to week, so it's fucking sick. But it only counts the one time.
    Still....what a redonkulous game.

  • Yes, a rather inauspicious beginning for me. And of those who chose to actively participate in the DBB Pick'em league, I'm bringing up the rear there too...

  • In reply to Shady:

    thats why i picked him.

  • So, Manning still overrated?


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    who said Peyton Manning was overrated?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    One game? Try the game he threw six picks. I'll put that one up against this one. We have no idea how bad this Ravens defense yet. No Ray-Ray, we'll see. Manning is certainly over-rated in historical terms. People were calling him the best ever, or one of. Ridiculous. Otto Graham was in the 'superbowl' every year of his career. Joe Cool, five rings etc. Manning brought his team one Lombardi in which he sucked. Very good, yes, but over-rated.

  • irish, football is a team game but look at Mannings numbers. They are disgusting.

    he is one of the best ever. You fucking pulled out Otto Graham dude. From back in the day when churches condemned the forward pass as a trick of the devil.

    Don't sit there and put one player up as the reason whe the Brown dominated that era. jesus.

  • dude. the guy is fucking auto... matic.

    You should stop with that now.

  • So, how does the QBR calculate an interception by Flacco that is returned for a touchback?


  • this game was coached turribly by john hbaugh. just... turrible.

  • 7 tds irish..... se-ven.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's Dave's line.

    Yes, 7. Well ....



  • sean phillips sack dance is so so gee.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The crew at ESPN is masturbating furiously to this game.

  • +1

  • well, game one is in the bag. Ugly at every turn. Pass defense turble.
    I have to say though that picking up Peyton on my very very first fantasy football team may be a solid move. Picking up Brian Hartline as one of my WR's since i was broke.....maybe not so much.

  • Seven TD passes against the SB champs. We'll never hear the end of it. FML.

    Bears Broncos Superbowl. Bring it on.

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