Hester's Resurgence a Brilliant Success for New Bears Regime

Hester's Resurgence a Brilliant Success for New Bears Regime

Sometimes I spring from my sweat-soaked pillow in the middle of the night, awoken by the howls of neighborhood wolves and the soul-disturbing memories of Devin Hester playing wide receiver. I wipe my brow with a towel, blow my nose in the nearby Kleenex and lay my head back down as my girlfriend calms me with a gently-whispered "It's okay, Jeff. Lovie is gone."

Devin Hester is the greatest kick returner in the history of the sport. And whilst some had forgotten that fact, calling for the Skunk to be discarded this summer, Sunday, at Soldier Field, against the Minnesota Vikings, he proved it once again. No, he didn't score. Minnesota essentially ran a "safety" on kick returns, holding a player back with the kicker to prevent the touchdown. But Hester was a one-man momentum-shifting machine. 249 return yards. The way he used to be.

Hester's homecoming to the top of the return ladder could not have happened without a confluence of circumstances.

[In 2010 I did a podcast with Devin Hester. It's one of the best interviews I've ever done. To hear it, CLICK HERE.]


Angelo's inability to draft offensive talent led to the misguided belief within the organization that moving Hester to offense was not a luxury but a necessity. Hester had more speed than the motley crew of receivers assembled and was clearly the team's most dangerous weapon with the ball in his hands so how could they NOT attempt to use him outside the half dozen return opportunities he would see weekly?

But Hester couldn't catch. He had trouble lining up. He ran the wrong routes. And it didn't take long for his confusion at the line of scrimmage to trickle into his return game. Suddenly the electric air surrounding a coming Hester return was replaced by puzzled faces and sixty-thousand people uttering at once, "Why didn't he catch that?"

From the moment Jay Glazer broke the Brandon Marshall-to-the-Bears story, it all changed. The organization now values weapons. They sign em. They draft em. Kick returners don't need to play wide receiver when you've got wide receivers playing wide receiver.


I wrote it many times but Lovie Smith, especially early in his Bears tenure, used his Big Sandy, down home, aw shucks demeanor to mask an arrogant and stubborn personality. If you believe Einstein's maxim that insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different result then Lovie Smith was the bat shit craziest coach the league has ever seen. How many times did he need to see Hester line up incorrectly, Kellen Davis drop the ball, Mike Green look lost over the top of the defense...etc?

Lovie would never have removed Hester from the offensive game plan, results be damned. He would sooner have replaced him entirely in the return game. Because, you know, why would you want the greatest kick returner in the history of the sport to return kicks?


Hester was an emotional play room in the wake of the Lovie Smith firing, flirting in the media with hanging 'em up for good. From a Yahoo! article on Decembeer 31, 2012:

"I don't even know if I want to play again," Hester said. "That's been something on my mind for two years. It's not (much fun for me anymore). I've got my workers comp papers in my pocket. We'll see how I feel. I'm going to go home and talk to my wife and talk to my family and see where we go from there. I got two beautiful kids, man, two boys. A lot of stress has been on my mind lately."

But Phil Emery, Marc Trestman and new special teams coordinator Joe DeCamillis recommitted to him with honesty. They told him to forget about playing and do what he does best: return the damn ball. From an ESPN article on April 18, 2013:

“That was in the past,” Hester said. “At the same time, people were just emotional, upset. So I would say that (my remarks were) emotion and upset coming out of me. I really wasn't thinking about what I was saying. That's in the past. You say things you really don't mean when you're upset. That's how it was.”

“They want to see me do good,” Hester said. “Whatever it takes to bring the special teams back, the return game back to what we used to have, they really, really wanted that. They told me, ‘This is your passion. You know what you're good at. You know what you're great at. Let's get it back to what it was.'”

Makes plenty of sense, doesn't it? #NotToLovie

Sunday against Minnesota the burst was back in the return man and the electricity was back in the building. Does he deserve all the credit in the world for swallowing his pride, acknowledging his offensive failings, and returning to his most dominant post? Yes. But credit must also be given to the organizational decisions that allowed this renaissance. The Bears, as a team, have rebuilt the Devin Hester Lovie Smith seemed hellbent on destroying. Now they reap the rewards.


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  • wow. double down after one game, on that field.

    Hope you're right jeff.

  • wow, you too?!!?

    "Sometimes I spring from my sweat-soaked pillow in the middle of the night, awoken by the howls of neighborhood wolves and the soul-disturbing memories of Devin Hester playing wide receiver. I wipe my brow with a towel, blow my nose in the nearby Kleenex and lay my head back down as my girlfriend calms me with a gently-whispered "It's okay, Jeff. Lovie is gone."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    mine has angelo in it too

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Are they spooning each other naked?

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  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    my eyes!!! my eyes!!!!!!!

  • I'm on the Hester train and felt he would have a resurgence. He feels wanted by the team, he knows that he can do it. To him, it's just a matter of him getting the opportunity. Coach D, Trestman and Emery sold him on the idea and he bought in and the rest will be history.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    hope so. it's nice starting drives in the opposing team's territory.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I've been on this train since before camp (see what I did there?).

    But as some have cautioned, it's only two games so far, and we need to see him get aggressive on punt returns. I think we will see that. I really do. Maybe it's Kool-aid, but it is tasty.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I'm gonna climb back on the train Dave. I want to believe the GOAT is back, I think we all do, we would all love to see him back in the groove.
    LDL should be the focus for our ire, not Devin. Lovie tried to make him something he wasn't. God/our alien masters, did not create him to be a receiver. His little corn rows were meant to return the ball.

    Either we heal as a blog ... or we're gonna crumble ... inch by inch play by play til we're finished. We're in hell right now gentlemen. We can stay here and get the shit kicked out of us ... or .. .we can fight our way back into the light ..... we can climb our way outta blog-hell .... one inch at a time.

  • Welcome aboard, Irish.

    Agreed that LDL is on the hook, but in a way you can't blame him for trying. What you *can* blame him for is persisting too long, and for (forgot who mentioned this) NOT GETTING A REAL #1.

    Before he got ruined in the Martz/Tice years, Devin probably could have been okay as #3 or #4 WR. Get a few packages set up and use him s-t-r-e-t-c-h the field.

    Of course, collective wisdom here on the blog was saying so at the time. And speaking of the "light", the fog of the Angelo years is lifting rather quickly (the team is turning over pretty quickly when you look at how many new Bears there are), and we don't have to despair any longer over the front office and the coaching staff.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    i said it. but everyone was thinking it. it was clear pretty early on that he wasn't a #1. stop using his as your excuse to avoid new WRs.

    the nice thing about it, though? it's all in the past. deep breaths and game-winning 4th quarter TD drives will help us all move on.

  • Jeff takes to the bully pulpit. He he.

  • Hester relies on emotion. Remember that shot of him on the field after the Super Bowl, watching the Colts celebrate? I think he's a really sensitive, introspective kid. I don't think he has a lot of horsepower between the ears, but still, I think he's very emotional.

    So he took it very personally when someone else took it to the house in his building. He got fired up, and decided to run the ball north-south instead of trying to be Mr. Fancy Pants.

    He fed off the emotion in the first return, and it snowballed. I hope to Halas someone figures out a way to light the fire under his ass in the rest of the games, because when he's on, he's on feugo.

  • I hear you IB. Should it bother us that he needs to see the opponent run one back as a prerequisite to his best effort? Hope he can get it up again without the fluffer.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Oh, hell yeah it bothers me that it takes Hester feeling insulted for him to amp up his game and run north-south instead of his sideline-to-sideline dancing.

    But then again, if that's what it takes to get him on fire, it should be pretty easy for the coaches to amp him up--especially if he's low on horsepower between the ears, as I expect: all they need to do is make up some fake trash-talk the other team is saying.

    I played a game on Halloween in high school, and the opposing team had some players in face paint and bandanas, like they were dressed up like pirates or something for Halloween. Our OC came in the lockerroom with one of the most memorable pre-game speeches of my life, centered on him shouting that "they don't even respect you enough to come in here dressed as football players!"

    We were up 28-0 by the end of the first quarter.

    So I'm sure someone can fire up Hester every Sunday, if that's what it takes.

  • They should print out the last thread and tape it to Hester's locker.

    GP - are you sober yet? Don't dive on the blog man, I enjoy your posts more than anyone elses - that's not dissing everyone else, it's just a fact. That little memory of taking your boy to a game was one of the most heart-rending things I've read on the blog. He was wearing one of those snorkel jackets, right? Trac or Canada(?) shared a terrible story about his daughter that got to me too. That's what I come back here for, the human stuff, not what somebody thinks about a second string corner.

  • Oh, and I think--with Weems and Hester both pulling PR duty--the Bears are setting opponents up for more of that Toub-esque magic of the Hester fake and Johnny Knox returning the punt for a TD.

  • i still don't see the funkin' hold on that play:


  • In reply to evantonio:

    no one held on that play. One of the worst calls of the season.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    pisses me off that the commentators made no mention of the penalty. not a "there's the hold right there" or a "i don't see no stinking hold."

    it's like they were too flabbergasted by the unrivaled geniusry of the call that they couldn't actually wrap their brain chunks around what just happened.

    i remember a couple guys on here saying toub was a jerk for wasting that awesome play when we were down two scores. but hot damn, man. that TD stands and we're given the chance to onside. isn't that what you want when you're down by more than 7?

    but enough about the past. i'm fully focused on the steelers and hoping trestman turns that end around into a double reverse option pass.

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    In reply to evantonio:

    Too busy Honking on the Packers. GD I hate them.

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    In reply to Waffle:

    There wasn't a guy withing 25 yards of where they threw the flag. I remember going batshit nuts when the replay was shown. I looked at all 22 players on the field there was no hold, nothing questionable anywhere. Guys were just standing around looking. Nobody was engaged. I've never seen a worse call, that was not admitted to by the league.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    looks like the flag was thrown at knox.

    fucktards. all of them.

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    In reply to evantonio:

    Sure does and the only thing he was holding was the football. Fucktards

  • We'll know if the rest of the league thinks he's back Sunday. If the Steelers squib it at their first opportunity, it'll mean more than anything we post here. If they kick it to him, well . . . we'll see.
    I would have cut him in August. I hope he proves me wrong.

  • Steelers kicker is kicking it almost through the uprights. I don't see any returns happening this sunday.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    What's the weather gonna be like? If he's kicking into a headwind...

  • hope that there is wind

  • In reply to Waffle:

    he may have some punts to return but the steelers will have only 1 kick off

  • http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-09-15/eddie-lacy-hit-injury-gif-vid-brandon-meriweather-green-bay-packers


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Expect a healthy fine for that. Classic example of spearing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Swole was head-hunting?
    Perish the thought.

  • Because I miss and love you guys...


  • come back erik... never forget where you come from lad.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jesse's cooking on his own!

  • that was funny

  • Yo Erik, you'll be kissing my perfect record in FF this week, so make an effort.

    Thanks for the link.

  • Pittsburgh is hurting bad. No balance, not much blocking, not many weapons to threaten.

    Martellus Bennett and Matt Forte are going to abuse them in the pass game.

  • Rapermeister also had a bad game.

  • Hearing Ray Lewis talk about football like a regular person is weird. He can actually talk without sounding like a character in a movie.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    he was good i thought.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    surprisingly normal. He just was talking football without turning into a huge angry black joel osteen baptist preacherbacker

  • In reply to Waffle:


  • btw, i hope we keep the black uni for long time... he is so funny.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And awesome

  • Beware. Going on a non-football diatribe.

    I've taken shit from people for almost 20 years because I've been a global warming skeptic. Now people like me are called "deniers". You know, like the Holocaust. We actually believe in the scientific method and showing results. Not these horseshit "computer models" that can't be replicated.

    Now the IPCC, the main global warming proponent, has to twist words and use Pretzel Logic in their new assessment report which comes out every 6 years. They are finally getting some mutiny among top scientists.

    First, I don't buy the premise we know what the average global temperature is any given year. But using their own data and studies, the IPCC reports and predictions from the 90's aren't just wrong, they are laughable.

    Out of 117 computer models, only 3 were within the margin of error. Yep, only 2.5% were even within the margin of error. 114 grossly overestimated warming. Actual warming was about .05 degree celcius per decade. Almost every study predicted at least .2 degree temperature increase per decade. That's 400% off! I would get a D in lab in college if I was 5 or 7% off on experiments.

    It's a fucking joke that people still believe in global warming. Until I see actual results that can be proven, I consider this whole endeavor as a political crusade.

  • In reply to Cormonster:

    "Actual results"? As in the sea level raises two feet within two years kinda thing? Because THAT is results.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    have you stuck a ruler into the ocean and measured it? have you actually seen the ice cap melt with your own eyes and anus? fargin hippie.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Have you ever done every fucking scientific experiment in history, or do you take for granted the results?

    Either you trust 99.9% of the scientists who are the most knowledgeable about this, or you trust a handful of deniers who are on payroll from oil and coal companies.

  • i tried doing every scientific experiment in history. but after i electrocuted the elephant i decided i didn't want to go any farther. but that's ok, right? there haven't been any important scientific discoveries in the past hundred years, have there?

  • In reply to evantonio:


  • In reply to evantonio:

    Dude. Quantum Mechanics. The laws of the small things in the universe. Pretty big I'd say.

    Unless you're joking ...in which case I'll get my coat.

  • Evan has to be joking. I mean, typing, "There haven't been any important scientific discoveries in the past hundred years" on a COMPUTER would be irony defined.

    Unless one classifies that as a "technological discovery" but technology is the daughter of science.

  • yes. i've been writing with the tag. the gnomes must've removed it from my posts.

  • I finally get to use what I learned in Epistemology!

    The theory of "understanding" through reliance on others is called "reliabliism" or "externalism." Simply put, "knowledge" in our civilization has become so complex and field specific that it would be impossible for EVERYONE to know many things "internally" and "First hand," so we MUST essentially trust "Experts" who tend to police themselves in peer reviewed methods.

    It reminds me of an Einstein antidote. When Einstein first came out with his theory of relativity, he was talking shop with another professor about it.

    The Professor joked, "You know, only like five people in the world could actually understand this?" to which Einstein stayed silent.

    "You don't believe that?" The Professor followed up.

    "Oh, no, I do. I'm just trying to think of the other three."

    So you see, a modern human MUST rely and to some degree TRUST experts for a lot of 'knowledge.' And it is important to not treat knowledge like a light switch that just clicks off and on, but rather one of those were you turn and the light gradually illuminates.

    Knowledge is a matter of degrees, and when the collective community of scientists (who are skeptical by nature) agree on a thesis/hypothesis/theory through individual research and experiment, it has a high degree of being correct.

    Sure, the "scientific community" has been wrong on some shit before (Eugenics is a big black eye, and the Ptolemaic system is now a joke), but Science has really cleaned up its methods significantly.

    Can they be wrong again like that? Maybe, but not likely. And if you take your car to 10 mechanics and 9 out of 10 of them tell you not to drive it because your breaks are about to give, while ONE with a khazakstany accent whose shop doubles as a real estate agency opines that 'they're just dusty. speed away', WHO are you going to trust?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5jLsLoYcE

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    es nice!

  • For me, the other factor at play, in combination with the likelihood of the theory being accurate is: what are the consequences if you're wrong and what are the consequences if I'm wrong?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Exactly, MBP.

    Again, it's like driving a car with questionable breaks. We can either pay a little more now to fix it, or we can brazenly ignore the experts and speed down the street.

    I also don't get this "scientific agenda/conspiracy" as if ALL scientist are leftists (and if they are, what does THAT say?).

    I worked with true scientists. They are just as petty and as politically diverse as any one. If a scientist could actually prove that global warming indeed was wrong, they'd do it in a heart beat and take their Nobel prize on the road to all the Oprah interviews and University paid lectures, laughing all the way to the bank and historic infamy.

  • If the Kazakhstani was a top engineer in the former Soviet union's space program, I'm with him.

    It used to be "common knowledge" that the world was flat until Pythagoras realised it was spherical, and then Eratosthenes measured the circumference.

    The earth may be getting warmer. There is nothing to stop it getting cooler again. we will most likely have another ice age - we've had them before. Thankfully we'll have been wiped out long before then.

    The shit hits the fan bigtime by 2040 in terms of oil, clean fresh water, food and space to live in, not to mention the threat of nuclear devices going off, chemical warfare etc. Global warming is the least of our worries.

  • Uhm, scarcity of resources (real or implied), including potable water and useful land, is directly related to climate change. Scarcity of resources drives conflict, and the bigger the scarcity, the more likely the conflict is between major players. The bigger players, the odds increase that one or more of them have NBC weapons capabilities.
    So it's a pretty big worry from a geopolitical standpoint.

  • In reply to Cormonster:


  • In reply to Cormonster:

    I have no opinion on global warming or abortion. I only know I could not and did not abort twins, regardless of the hellacious beast-monster they were inside.

    I probably wouldn't buy a house in Holland though.....

    Is Hester-gate over yet? Can we get on to Peppers and Bostic now?

    By the bye, I didn't realize that Devin lost his parents when he was quite young in separate circumstances. Makes sense that he wanted to spend more time with his boys .... you never know how long you have with them. Forgive us Hester for we know not what we say.

  • In reply to Cormonster:

    Good for you though, Cor. Accepting the general consensus without inspecting it for yourself isn't always smart. When everybody was a flat-earther, and you looked up at the moon's crescent ... it took a brave man to stand up and say "Wait a minute ..... it's made of cheese!"
    Back when everybody thought the moon had formed in a cataclysmic explosion billions of years ago before leprechauns existed .... one man dared to say differently.

    That man was Bill O' Reilly. The smartest man on the planet.
    (wipes tear from eye)

  • Bill O'Rielly is a cheesehead? I always knew there was something wrong with that guy.

  • That was pretty funny.

  • Did our forefathers surrender when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!

  • That was the Hawaiians, Butch

  • In reply to Cormonster:

    You are insane.


    Everything you've posted here is a joke.

  • Thanks for the feedback, maing. Your enlightened responses are a breath of fresh air around here.

  • In reply to Cormonster:

    An engaging, entertaining, and thought-provoking read. Very highly recommended, and a real example of critical thought - a process used to a frighteningly small extent in the modern "scientific" community.


  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Did you read the lecture? Your response has nothing to do with it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Crichton was barely scientifically literate...is the point of my response.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    "Happy birthday, global warming!" Showing their colors just a bit, eh?


    Perhaps a little information on their origin?


    Or the person that registered the domain (reasonably considered as a "founder"). Clearly a climatologist of high repute:

    # Betsy Ensley, Web Editor/Program Coordinator: Betsy joined the staff of EMS in April 2002 as a program assistant for EMS's toxics program. Presently, she manages BushGreenwatch.org, a joint EMS-MoveOn.org public awareness website, and coordinates environmental community media efforts to protect and improve environmental and public health safeguards. Before coming to EMS, Betsy interned at the U.S. Department of State in the office of the Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. Betsy graduated with honors from the University of Iowa in 2000, where she majored in Global Studies with thematic focus on war, peace and security. She minored in Asian languages.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Well, okay, so that last one was a cheap shot.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And the "meteorologist" who runs that website doesn't have an undergrad degree in...anything, come to find out.
    And you want to measure credibility of the sources?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You know who's paying for the wattsupwiththat website, right?

  • Thank you Gio Bernard, who is about to get promoted on all ten of my fantasy FF teams, and cements my weekend 4-timer. 7 for 8 on the season bitches.

    I think we've done the Hester thing now. If he's back in business now, then good. It's good for my team and my Monday morning happiness. But there is no shame in having wanted him canned for what he said - it wasn't a stats or ability issue. It was loyalty, and trust, and all the things that he broke, when he revealed what he revealed.

    Now do it next week Devin. And the week after that ...right up until we get some payback on Manning. Can you imagine if he took it to the house on the opening kickoff of a Superbowl again? Against Manning?

    Clady's out for the season BTW.

  • I was kicking my opponents ass on Sunday until the Niner game. Gore and Davis stunk it up and I ended up with a tie.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    9ers always stink it up in SEA. I was playing against Kap in Artoo's writer's league, and I had little fear. Lynch also always balls against the 9ers (and I had Lynch).

    One area which Kap needs to improve on is playing in such a hostile environment.

    I'm now gonna be actively rooting for the Seahawks to lose because if they gain homefield advantage through the playoffs, it's over.

  • agree on all accounts. My two hawks buddies were giddy and talking SB like crazy after that game.

    I calmly told them to look at the stats and that they'd assuredly split the series. Tools.

  • I fear the Hawks greatly, home or away.

    Bears are 2 point favorites this week.
    JAX are 20 pt dogs to SEA.
    Buffalo 2 point dogs to the Jets?

    One bet this week methinks . Bankroll on Bears (-2). Only way we can lose this is if we lose Cutty.

  • Lance Briggs lets the cat out of the bag with this quote:

    "The one thing that sticks out right now is when we need a score, our offense will get that score," Briggs said. "Last year, really any year, defensively, we think we need to create a turnover and score in order for us to score."

    This is a huge indictment of the state that our offense used to be in. Yeah it's great that our D has been inspired to score on opponents in the past but it's really sad that even the Bears D had no confidence in our offense when Lovie was coach.

    Oh and Jeff, I was one of the first bloggers to say "nay" on the Hester experiment. Part of the vitriol on da blog opposing Hester's recent woes stems from the decision of the front office to try to recoup their contract money used to re-sign Hester by converting him to WR for double duty. Hester also deserves part of that blame because he cashed in for a big contract and he lost sight of his destiny. That resulted in Skunk stinking it up on O and he compromised his return game along with his value to the team. It is a mistake to lock onto phantom bogies. Remember Greg Olson? Where is he now? In light of the obvious importance of the Black Unicorns signing, it would be behoove you to reflect on your past posts like how important Olson was to Cutty's success. I think your Hester comments are in that same category.

    I think you are going too deep with your Hester comments. The improvements Emery has made is the reason it's even possible to have these conversations. Hester is just part of the big picture and to suggest that without Hester we don't win Sundays game is a mistake in my opinion, because they minimize Emery's post Lovie accomplishments. It's time to stop the "stinkin" thinkin and to begin to see the full landscape of Emery's vision unfolding before our very eyes. Spend more time highlighting Emery's brilliant strategies and less time chiding us for stating the obvious.

    That is all.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Well said trac. I see how you did that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did you see what he did?

  • I will be re-watching the game tonight and focusing on the D line play and run blocking.

    I will also yell once again at Craig Steltz for not fucking engaging that last fucking guy on one of Hester's kickoffs that would have been a TD if he just laid one god damn hand on him at mid field.

    The old Bears return team knew how to block. Ayanbendejo, Hillenmeyer, etc. Pancakes served every sunday.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    + several blog points at least on the Hillenmeyer blocking thing. He puts lots of guys on their asses out there.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    indeed he did sir. those special teams squads dominated

  • Wow look at Jeff with the a fake email joke AND a hashtag joke all in the same article. Nice work.

    Hester needs to break one...he can taste it. It's coming, fellas!

  • jesus


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wow. Fuck.

  • This will continue to happen over and over until we can somehow ensure that schizophrenics don't have access to weapons.


    The fact that we have turrible care/management for and of these people is a whole 'nuther story.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The problem seems to me, MB, to be figuring out which of the thousands (hundreds of thousands, millions?) of people with behavioral problems are going to wig out.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    agree dave, but there 100% should be a blanket law that if you've got a single tiny mark on your record saying you needed anti-psycho drugs for a breakdown, or you went to the crazy-bin holding cell for one hr, or you were reported to ANY gov agency by anyone you at the very least need to submit to a full psych eval before you can purchase a weapon, it would catch some... not all of these guys.

    I get all the problems with that, the big brother thing, the weapons black market, the fact that most of these people aren't on record for anything anywhere... but we have to do something.

    Also, it seems like in a LOT of these cases you hear that reports were given on multiple occasions for multiple issues and many have been prescribed meds for it... ok, in those cases fucking pull these people's access to weapons andif they haven't had a full threat assessment, then pull their access to places where they can hurt many people until they at least get the assessment.

    At that point, you've at least done everything you can without moving towards an Orwellian police-like state. You're never going to get all of them, but we literally have ZERO in place to stop this stuff today.

    Juxtapose that to the billions we spend on trying to stop domestic terrorism. And I bet domestic crazies have killed many more in the last 5 years than domestic terrorists.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, this guy was so blatantly out of control, it's astonishing he even had clearance left.
    People were a little edgy around here yesterday (bases locked down for most of the day); everyone around here knows somebody that works in the area because of the amount of military personnel.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It would be hard to draw the line though, MB.

    So anyone who has ever taken prescription anti-depressents no longer is able to buy a gun? How about anti-anxiety pills? Not sure where we draw the line there.

    I also imagine that truly crazy fucks would be even more reluctant to seek professional help if it means giving up their guns. So now we would have an UNDIAGNOSED (with no therapy or pills) nutjob with guns.

    We do got to look into it though. Psychologists etc need to hold some sort of mortorium and figure out which type of profile has a higher chance of endangering society.

    Problem is, they'd probably disagree with themselves, and no consensus would shape up from which a law can be formed.

    (and even if formed, NRA backed lawyers would contest the legality of any such legislation).

  • I think we can start with anyone that has a recorded history of threats, violent incidents, and run in with authorities (cops, campus policy, etc...)

    Seems like a lot of these guys do have a track record of these kinds of incidents and we don't even have a system in place to flag them and make sure that they are being monitored appropriately.

    I don't have the answers, I just know that anything is better than what we have now... which is absolutely nothing.

  • I don't think the line should have been very hard to draw with this guy...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It may not really be much, but perhaps were the media to show a little restraint on coverage of this stuff it might help.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    People on anti-psych medicine are less likely to go postal though. It's the ones that DON'T take their meds or are just plain bananas that are risky.

    What about drunks? By far the most numerically irrational people on the planet. The fundamentally religious. Look at what stone cold sober people can do with semtex strapped to them.

    What are the odds of being a victim of one of these people anyway? What are the odds of being adversely affected by another power hungry nation or suffering blowback as a result of being that nation instead? Lone gunmen? These are irrational and improbable fears.

    We are hunter-killers. A relative blink-of-an-eye out of our animal-skins has not changed our DNA. We're wired to kill.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    he had two separate weapons incidents prior to this and no one did shit. What the fuck.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    it's lunacy (wait) maings. I bet we could stop at least 50% of these if we had a system that was worth a shit. Everyone is just clueless and nothing is connected.

    In this time and technological day, it's just fucking not believable how bad it is.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Let's you, rabbit, and me have a conference call this week to see if we can come up with a system to connect everything with a nice front-end app. Then we'll do a biz plan and get it funded, built, and sold to the gov.

    Then we can all die, knowing that we did something that helped save many lives.... and filthy rich.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm in...how hard can it be?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hey, admire my enthusiasm for the Sisyphean task, OK?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i admire your vocabulary and proper use of Sisyphean.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sweet! A new word for me!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lots of data out there...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    it's the gov, so big long task... think about it and let me know your thoughts. It would be an awesome thing to pull off. We'd get TONS of press.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    maybe even a dance with kate upton.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ohhhh, yes please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When this happens, drag the offender out to the local high school, don't arrest them, don't give them a lawyer, instead call the students into the courtyard, line him up against the wall and bust a cap in his ass. Then ladies and gentleman, the rates of mental illness would decline severely and so would future incidents like this one.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Uh, quick count on the guys that perform mass shootings and survive the incident? Not many. Usually they either off themselves or get killed in the process.
    Don't think you've landed on much of a deterrent, Trac.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    i don't understand the last sentence.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ask Vladimir. This country has gotten too soft. There is no answer MB. The worm has turned for the US. Courage no longer exists. It's all about feeeeelings now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i totally get that part (the quick cost-less execution), but the part about deterring mental health issues - and having young minds witness an execution up front, i'd argue will cause more not less of it?

    That whole part don't compute my maings, but I get the general cut of your gibb.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Focus on ending the government instead. That would be worthwhile. Look at the USA and the rest of us. We're being milked by the fuckers at the top. That's not 'conspiracy theory', that's a fact. We have nothing to fear from individuals.

    Long live the revolution

  • lol

  • this is cool... check this out: http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/16/bears-texans-saints-bills-week-2-keys-to-victory/?sct=nfl_bf2_a4

  • this is all that's left of tebow mania: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tim-tebow-jaguars-rally-gets-control-handfuls-upon-221901410--nfl.html

    (Thank god)

    ((see how I did that trac?))

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yo MB - What do you do with the kids that you can't have an iPad open with a pirate feed on there? They can't handle the swearing? How old are they?ellus is funny on Artoo's link there - the Cutty show.

    Interviewer : "What's your name now .... Marty?"
    Unicorn : That's my white man's name."

    Somebody tell Marty that Willy Wonka didn't have a 1943 version

    "In a world of pure ejaculation ....."

    deepdishpanda is his xbox name for you X-box fags (NTTAWWT) ....

  • yo yo yo... irish... my brother in the baby/toddler wars.

    My angle is 4.5 and my little bruiser is going to be 3 mid november. He's a fucking wrecking ball.

    They are apeshit man. All over the place. I guess I could do the ipad thing, but then my daughter will stop whatever she's doing and want to play game on the damn thing. She's relentless. I'm pretty much hosed this year every. single. sunday. Don't get me wrong my time with my babies is always my mostest favoritest time of the week and I always can't wait for my next slot with them... just wish I could see one or two games this year (although I will catch one if we do a thursday night and monday night game... without looking... do we?).

    How's it going with yours maings... twins... I don't fucking envy you.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    damn, I gotta wait till Nov!


    But it's going to be a fucking gooooooooood one. Can't wait for our first taste of vengeance in what, 3 years? (have I mentioned how much I hate lovie and angelo lately?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ahhhh, that's better: http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2013/TNF

    We get to destory the gints on Thursday Oct 10th.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm still debating the Oct. 20th game against the Skins - season ticket holders out here are dumping tickets like crazy. Great prices are making it real tough to just say no.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    then don't. just don't go on a couple dates and bang! bang! (wait...)

    Don't know how much they are out there, but seems like I can't get away with anything under a Benjamin.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You ain't kidding - dating 'spensive!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I should have known, of course. iPad comes out, iPad gets fucked, bathed, whatever.

    My routine is get home from work at 4. She leaves for work. The kids fall asleep around 3 or 4 am (they get up when she gets up at about 2 or 3 in the afternoon) - I'm up at 7. Sometimes I'm lucky and get 5 or 6 hours sleep. I'm tired all the time and don't know whether I'm coming or going, but you get used to it. Life sucks right now and the money is always tight. I don't even know where the money for school is coming from when they start this year. She's always threatening to take them off me and send them back to her home - we're not married so I have no legal rights to them even though they have my name and I'm on the cert. That's fucking stressful. How about them apples?

    Of course the good thing is their little faces. That's what makes it bearable.

    Do you have to pony up alimony too?

  • fuck me man, I'm so sorry. Jesus, every time I think I have it bad....

    Is there anything at all you can do? I thought she abandoned you guys... didn't that give you any power over the situation?

    Jesus, that schedule is fucked too!? Can't you take them back home with you... tell her to fuck off?

    Sending good vibes your way my brother (since I don't really pray).

    Naw, prenup.

  • Agreed - mine sucked but not remotely in the neighborhood of your shit, Irish. Hang in there, maings.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tebow is so off my radar. I'm actually hoping you stop keeping the story alive. Lol.

  • Anyone got a link to the Weems thing with the punt? Nothing on Youtube.

  • there's no thing, it's just the rule. defender touched the ball first and anything else after that don't mean shit. Weems had NOTHING to lose. Great special teams play from the Wolverine.

  • http://www.chicagobears.com/news/chalk-talk/article-1/Are-Bears-concerned-about-Peppers/6f731fd5-60e4-4463-a78b-d73f98557b7f

    They answer the questions and have a link of a Cowboys highlight from a few years ago... Haven't seen a Weems one though.

  • While I blame Angelo's handling of the Hester experiment more than I do Lovie's, I have to believe GMs interviewing Smith for a HC spot have to ask him: "Lovie, what the hell were you thinking putting Hester as your #1 WR?"

  • my god, are you fucking kidding me!??!?!


    How the fuck does this happen!?!?!

  • you guys are pussies... step it up


  • How bout this, MB?


  • Booooooo!

    Nice wine... dick.

  • I'm riding Peyton, Cutty, Forte and Unicorn all the way to the top of fantasy you fucking fantasy nerdballs!!

  • In reply to Waffle:

    You fucking love it.

  • In reply to Shady:

    shady, how's our girl and hairy?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Are you referring to:

    Mergatroid Skittle?
    D'Pez Poopsie?
    Goolius Boozler? Or
    Bisquiteen Trisket?

  • In reply to Shady:

    bismo funyuns actually.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I do I do, I just wish that I didn't blow my wad on Spiller instead of getting a solid WR. I picked Brian Hartline which was unfortunate.

    Hopefully EJ picks it up and get the rock into CJ's hands.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Hartline is what they call in the biz "a whack-a-mole" - Goes off one week, then disappears, then reappears when you bench him, etc

    What always scared me about Spiller was Fred Jax. The coach said preseason he would run Spiller 'til he puked' then what does he do? He splits carries like the bald faced liar all coaches are!

  • In reply to Waffle:

    And fucking GP says he isn't doing FF this year, drops 300 on me this week and now he's 2-0. smh Sour Carimis smh

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think it auto picked for him and he's still rocking all of us all night long.

  • dude, the auto-start audio ads are fucking KILLING me on this site.

    Are they serious!?!?! And I can't just turn down my speakers keff because I listen to music when I work.

    This sucks man... and they keep making it worse not better. jesus.

  • fb_avatar

    So we've discussed global warming, the scientific method, gun control, privacy, and what else?

    How about them Bears!!!

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    At least there weren't any signs and this came out of nowhere... mike.

    "The Navy moved to discharge Alexis in 2010 because of a history of disciplinary issues, including eight instances of misconduct while on duty, a U.S. defense official told CNN.
    The incidents involved insubordination, disorderly conduct, unauthorized absences and at least one instance of intoxication, the official said...

    In addition to the military issues, he also had run-ins with police: In Seattle, he was arrested in 2004 for shooting out the tires of another man's vehicle in what Alexis later told detectives was an anger-fueled "blackout."

    DeKalb County, Georgia, authorities said Tuesday they had arrested Alexis in 2008 on a disorderly conduct charge, police there said Tuesday."

    Right mike?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Data points...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How this stuff doesn't get tied together ahead of time, it just sucks. Got to be a better way.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    the scientific method? is that the same as the rhythm method?

    Basic synopsis of rhythm method:
    Blow it inside and pray that the goalie is so inhospitable that your your boys can't sneak past.

  • What did I tell you guys. fucking dodgy aussies


    Wish I had friends as good as this.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Random thought, but you ever notice how people who are quite similar or close in proximity dislike each other more than people separated by longer distances? For example (and I'm making gross generalizations to make a point) Americans dislike Canadians. Aussies dislike New Zelanders. Israelis dislike Arabs. I mean, for people so similar to dislike each other so much is almost laughable.

  • In reply to Shady:

    random indeed. what the fuqe?!?!

  • I just heard a guy on espn can jay, "jay clutch-er"


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I said it first on the last thread. Yeah doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ok ok... you get the point... you get em Coznesster Smiff!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fuck espn, they talked so much shit over the last 4 years it's not even funny.

  • I was talking to a Viking fan at my accountants office today about Hester losing a step.

    He mentioned that Josh Robinson stopped him on both long runs and ran a 4.31 forty at the combine last year. Maybe Hester didn't lose a step, but got ran down by one of the fastest players in the NFL.

    I rewatched the plays tonight. The 1st one Robinson ran Hester down. The second one Robinson was getting blocked way down field, causing Hester to slow up for the block. That allowed #25 enough time to have the angle on Hester.

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