Bears Move to 2-0 (Somehow). Rapid Fire.

Bears Move to 2-0 (Somehow). Rapid Fire.

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The Bears played like a team that deserved to lose on Sunday. But since they won, here are my winning thoughts:

  •  Jay Cutler played the kind of game that is going to drive us all crazy. He was awful and brilliant. That's him. Get used to it. But we should also get used Jay Cutler being the quarterback we want with the ball in his hands and the clock winding down. He's frustrating but there are few players as entertaining.
  • For those of you who've killed Devin Hester in the comments below (you know who you are) you can send your apologies to me at YOU.DID.THE.SAME.THING.TO.PEANUT.TILLMAN.LAST.YEAR@DaBearsBlog.com. Hester still has every bit of his genius and he could have scored twice Sunday. Bears lose Sunday if Hester isn't on the team.
  • Sometimes praising Adam Podlesh can lead to Adam Podlesh showing up. A 26 yard punt?
  • Joe DeCamillis may get put on the clock by Bears fans sooner than he thinks. The Soldier Field faithful have gotten used to exemplary special teams units under Dave Toub and they won't take kindly to allowing kick return touchdowns... ESPECIALLY on home soil.
  • Tim Jennings looks lost on half of his snaps. The other half he's creating turnovers.
  • Still very little coming off the edge from McClellin, Wootton and Peppers. This will start being a concern with deep passing opponents on the horizon.
  • Spectacular performance from Martellus Bennett. Phil Emery's offseason gets better by the day.
  • Semi-spectacular performance from Lance Briggs. It seemed the defensive captain was the ringleader of the stop Adrian Peterson brigade.
  • I was confused. Here's the Weems report from Dan Wiederer: "Allow us to explain. Bears special teamer Eric Weems drew plenty of ire from confused fans in the second quarter when he dove into a loose ball near his end zone after a Vikings punt was originally touched at the 1 by the Vikings' Marcus Sherels. By rule, once Sherels touched the ball, Weems' botched attempt to scoop the ball could not have resulted in a fumble. When Weems knocked the ball into the end zone, the Vikings' Robert Blanton tried recovering it but knocked it out of the end zone for a touchback. Had the Vikings not touched the ball again, the Bears would have been pinned at their own 1."
  • When I watch the tape I am going to focus on Bushrod v. Allen. The fact that Allen did not dominate proceedings should prove Bushrod had a solid afternoon but it seemed Cutler was under significant pressure most of the afternoon.
  • Anybody else get the sense the Bears have not tapped into the Matt Forte well yet? It seems Trestman is still trying to figure the best way to utilize his unique skill set. I expect that when this relationship hits its stride so will the Bears offense.
  • I loved Stephen Paea's pregame dance ritual. Felt like I was watching an international rugby match. Juiced me up.
  • Quietest addition of note: Tony Fiammetta. Fullback love from DaBearsBlog.

Nothing else burst off the screen to me Sunday in what was as frustrating and exhilarating a game as I can remember. Will look at the game again this afternoon and - of course - will provide more thoughts straight through Wednesday. For now the Bears are 2-0.

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  • Jeff the fucking advertisement for Parade is over the dialog box for typing responses.

    That's it - I'm done here. Fuck the gnomes, fuck the blog, fuck your ill-advised "fire Weems at halftime" tweetbecause if you call yourself a football blogger you have to know the touch rule on kickoffs, if the kicking team touches it and then lets it roll basically nothing bad can happen unless you pick it up and THEN fumble. That was super heads up by Weems, super heads up from a player who knows the rules.

    Anyhow, been a fun few years - but this blog is a collapsed ruin.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Jesus, you seem very upset.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    It's okay, Jeff; you still have cheesy

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    proper use of a semi-colon. good for you!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And I happen to think you're wrong about the blog and the increased readership on a daily basis proves that.

    As for the Weems rule, Brian Billick didnt know that rule as the play took place. And Brian Billick won a Super Bowl. So I don't feel so bad.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    trent dilfer also won a super bowl.

    don't put so much stock into rings. =]

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I would also assume Trent Dilfer knows the rules of the sport better than I do. Because he played in the NFL.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    i used to say the same thing about donovan mcnabb.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    All I can say is that as the Bears fans around me in the bar raged at Weems, I saw all his teammates giving him high fives.

    I didn't know the rule, but I feel like most people should have figured out he did something right.

    And Jeff, I do love the articles and blog, but a new website would be amaaaazing.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    i'm not giving myself a pass. i yelled just like everyone else in the bar. but now we're all a little bit smarter because of it.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    New website finally in the design phase.

    As for the rule, I didn't know it. I don't think 90% of people watching the game knew it. Now we do.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I didn't know the rule, and I'm a genius!

    We need like a Rain-man NFL rules guy for the blog. Our own Mike Periria to clarify all the small print.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Yup, agreed - watching it, I was thinking he was doing either something incredibly stupid or incredibly smart...I was yelling but then they called the touchback and I decided I'd shut my Grabowski-hole and roll with it.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    This is strange. We're 2-0, looking strong, with the definite impression that any wrinkles can be ironed out. It's not like we don't have the #1 receiver and a terrible O-line anymore. Brain dead coaches or GMs. It all looks pretty good for the short time Phil Emery has been here. Isn't this all testament to Phil? We went to the superbowl in spite of Jerry Angelo, not because of him. Now we have a chance of returning, but also with a chance of winning. We never had that with Rex.

    ..... yet all we can seem to talk about is Devin Hester. If he continues to get us good field position, it will only fuel speculation as to what a real burner would do in there in his spot - somebody that can actually play receiver - not add to his legend.

  • Hello and good day from the BRONX NEW YORK well yes the bears are 2- 0 and yes they could be 0-2 but they are not. Why is this, DARE I say it the offensive line Jay Cutler is under pressure but overall is the O line is outstanding i know it is early but if you are not happy with this group you been smoking Banana Peals again LOLOLOLOL we still have a long way to go, but we will get there . Coach T is a cool cat man he did not rattle when we were down thats good to see and the players see that and they believe. BUT HEY WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO . Is it me or is the defense looking a little soft williams and Anderson are ok but i think we are slower with those two guys out there. Bostic and Greene are younger but faster and i think harder hitters?. Now does anyone but me think this game sunday nite could be a trap game the steelers are 0-2 the are playing like crap and we have to go in there and win a game Offense needs to hold on tho the ball the bears in this early season have already turned the ball over what is it 6 times we can not do that and expect to win in pittsburg on sunday nite . this is my 45 year being a bear fan i love this team and when you love something you want to see them do good . PS ARE YOU WATCHING LONG AND MILLS THESE TWO GUYS ARE LIKE YEA MAN LETS KICK SOME ASS i like that in the o line so should you.

    GO BEARS
    GOD BLESS
    FRANK DELEO
    BRONX NY

  • #16... is that you?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Donovan's wonderlic makes me wonder how he is even capable of intelligible speech. There is a reason he never won a ring. The same as Marino's.

  • Dumb as a bag-o-hammers.

    Mambos.

  • "Like, no offense to slow people."

  • Exactamente.Then again, so is Terry Bradshaw, but it was hard to wrong with that defense.

  • because don shula was a fraud?

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Passes handed out all around Jefe - nobody except the refs know all the rules, and they change them every year. No way something happens that quickly and anyone is all over it as soon as the whistle blows. Even officials have to confer. People get very chemically 'emotional' around game-time.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    we were up all night waiting for what you had to say. lol .

  • In reply to catfish4444:

    who iz you?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That was a super heads up play by Weems and I was blown away by Billicks blown coverage of the event. You mean I know rules better than former head coaches? WTF?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Are you ok GP? I hope all is well.

  • I need a drink after listening to that drunk lady.

  • In reply to PhilinNYC:

    That was awesome. Alcohol remains legal. Go figure.

  • I'm going to give DeCamillis a pass after this week. I'm also not going to say Hester is back. It's hard to blame coverage units when the field was in as poor a condition as it was. People were slipping all over the place, which will give an advantage to the return team every time (says me.) The runner knows where he's going to make the cuts. The defenders have to try and react to it. Also, like Hester himself said:

    “I think they were kind of cheating [on the 80-yard return],” Hester said. “Their [primary tacklers on kickoff coverage] weren’t coming down and trying to make the tackles, they were kind of just playing contain and sitting around the 40- or 45-yard line just waiting to cut off the angle on me."

    They were pretty much conceding to the fact that they weren't going to get him before the 50, so better to just take an angle and prevent the touchdown. Let's see if he can repeat this moving forward before we start saying he's back.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    If this becomes common practice and we get to start in the opposing team's 20's... I think Hester justifies his roster spot. How absurd would having an average starting position in the other team's half?

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    100%. i'm just saying i'm not ready to say he's back because of yesterday's game. he was back yesterday because coverage units were worthless. i mean, did you see the bears on the vikes' opening return? no one came within 5 yards of laying a finger on the guy. take a look (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lse8sryWME) and you'll see that the entire right side of our coverage team had to let him go because they couldn't cut. you see joe anderson and craig steltz pretty choose to slow down, stop, and start running again instead of just cutting and turning.

    had to cover when there's conditions like that.

    unrelated but related to the 80-yard return, "devin 2007 would have scored on that." (to quote myself at the bar)

  • In reply to evantonio:

    this.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    It's week two. We'll see.

    I think we're pretty thin at WR. Alshon isn't there yet. Earl hears footsteps (see Tom Waddle for comparison). I can't figure out how a 7th round watusi warrior is on the roster instead of you-know-who. Seriously, Wilson would get blown up on a field full of men. I'd rather have Sanzy back then this guy. I haven't seen enough of Weems to have an opinion on him as a receiver.

    GB have Cobb, Jones and Nelson as deep threats. We have Marshall and Martellus, with Forte as the short man. Sadly, we never used Hester as he should have been used. The over-the-top deep threat guy. He was Mr. Bubble-screen. We had a deep threat who we rarely put in a threatening position.

  • ... than this guy ...

  • weirdly enough, hester was a pretty decent over-the-top guy when neckbeard was hucking the rock.

  • you. are. crazy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You think we have an awesome set of receivers MB? If Brandon goes down, who's the man at WR? And the guy behind him?

  • We can line up two of the biggest receivers in the game (one of them being pretty damn incredible) alongside #22 and the first real receiving threat we've had at TE since Olsen's departure. We also still have Earl the Pearl, Weems (who's not a great WR but serviceable)...I have no problems with our receivers right now. How many #1 wide receivers are we supposed to carry?
    GB has great receivers - no doubt, but we also have, IMHO, the advantage at TE and certainly at RB in terms of receiving threats. And I'd take BMarsh every day of the week over any single one of GB's receivers. Period. Full stop.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You didn't answer/see the question :

    If Brandon goes down, who's the man at WR?

    Martellus is not a WR obviously. If you think Alshon can take the mantle of a #1 then I have no response for that. Weems is a slot guy, as is Bennett/JoeA. Wilson cannot be started in the NFL, not seriously. One more tall receiver is required. We had that guy but there was no roster room .. .ahem. I believe Weems, Earl and Ford can all return the ball ......

    I too would take Beast over any receiver in the league never mind GB. Megatron disappears against Peanut. He caught 5 TDs last year. Andre Johnson seems to have retired. James Jones caught what, 14 TDS last season? But Jones is a #1. Nelson could be a #1. Cobb is a #1. We have Brandon on the outside. Injured, we've got diddly squat at WR - height-wise.... and Martellus and Forte. Alshon isn't polished yet, the others can't play the outside.

    As for Greg Olsen being a receiving threat ..... he would make two or three catches in a game with a TD and then disappear for two games. He had a ridiculously low YAC. Corners breathed on him and he fell over. But we've been here before ......

  • Cut Hester to make room for a bench wide receiver...because he's tall.

    Ohhhh-kay.

  • Alshon is 6'3", 216...he's not a smurf.
    The Green Bay receivers - of the half-dozen they are carrying right now, only Jordy Nelson is over 6' 1". We're not talking a murderers row when it comes to height.

  • Yes Irish... compared to everyone else we damn well do my maings.

    We have one of the top 3 guys in the nfl - and if he goes down we're fucked any way you cut it... same goes with every team with a true #1 guy... or franchise QB for that matter right? Can't base your argument on whatifs. Are you proposing we have two of the top 3-4 WRs in the nfl on the team at all times? If yes, I'd like to see that too. I've screamed for a bmarsh/boldin combo for years. But that ain't and can't happen.

    - Ashlon is the real deal, and he's only going to get better

    - Bennett although damaged and brittle, is still bennett and catches everything

    - then there's the Buni and matty

    We are fucking stacked my man. You want to complain, complain about our fucking mediocre lovie-special safeties. Did you fucking get a gander at what a real DBackfield looks like last night? Would you trade starsky and hutch for fucking early thomas and cam chancellor? yeah, me too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sorry MB, but if GB lose Cobb - at WR - then they have Jordy and JJ of the 14 TD grabs. WE don't have anybody. Alshon cannot be trusted as a #1. WE're going back to Angelo's days at that point. Luckily we could survive because of Uni and Forte, but it's nice to have that other guy. If Wilson gets in the gym then okay, but that takes time.

    Why aren't we talking Peppers and the Bostic/DJ question.

    Agreed on the safety thing, yes I saw the above-mentioned sDB studs yesterday. Draft for us = DL and DB next year. Plus center, but we don't need to draft him.

  • goddamnit Irish, Bennett has not dropped a pass because of footsteps, he hasn't dropped a pass this year at all. what the fuck are you talking about.

    I'm not even going to go into the Alshon comment. It was even more head scratching than the Bennett one.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Last week Waffle, I'm sure it was Earl, I can't think who else it would have been, possibly Forte actually. I think it was Forte now that I come to think of it. Turning before he'd caught the ball, If he catches 11 a week though, then we're good!

  • Deep down inside GP likes us too much to let the gnomes win.

  • 2-0 feels pretty good gentlemen! Escpescially as I watch the solemn Niners fans file into the office this AM and hear them weeping softly at their desks.

  • Most exciting Bears game since the Arizona game. There, I said it.

    I was fully expecting Frazier to go Green on us postgame.

    "We let 'em off the hook!"

  • I was at a crazy Bears vs Vikings game back in 2008.

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=281019003

  • I cannot for the life of me fathom how we've found any room to complain about a kick returner setting the franchise record for kick return yardage in a game.
    It boggles my mind.
    One of the silliest discussions we've had on this board in the last twelve months, and it gets pretty f-cking silly around here sometimes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I actually agree. Niner fans are pretty decimated now. GB are a game behind us, we're in the driving seat. Cincy will give A-rod kittens next week as his line tries to keep him upright, while we will be trouncing Big Ben in his own back yard.

    Let's drop the Hester thing and enjoy the fruit and sausages.

    Go Bears.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ++++++

    No shit, man. And they are STILL at it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    ***sigh***

    let's see how he does in the next couple weeks on sure footing daaaaave.

    If he's back, awesome... I will more than happily eat all my crow.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i would like to let it be known that i'm not complaining about hester. he was a delight to watch.

    i'm just saying that it's just one game so i'm not quite ready to say "hester's back, baby!"

    is that a crime? in a board filled with people who hate jay cutler because he threw a goal-line INT but give forte a pass for not holding onto the ball, is this really the worst thing one can say?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Yes, and you are convicted, good sir!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    no. I 00% agree. if hester goes back to the dive and fair catch machine we've known him as over the next 3 games because there isn't 2 inches of mud on the field, I'm going to fucking destroy all you guys.

    Jesus guys common. He sucked asshole for two years, admitted he fucking quit on all of us and you're drooling to anoit him the fucking king again after one game on the worst turf in the NFL... after the other team's guy took one all the way back first.

    Shaking My Mother Fucking Head So Vigorously That I Might Have Just Given Myself A Fucking Concussion Just Now And I Might Have To Sit Out A Game Or Two (SMMFHSVTIMHJGMAFCJNAIMHTSOAGOT)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't say anything about anointed...but production matters! And he produced! What else is he supposed to do???

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    1. Catch punts instead of letting them sail over his head.

    2. Score touchdowns.

  • SMFH.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Am I wrong? What is the function of a return man? A specialist return man?

    1. Catch any ball kicked at them unless it clearly appears that the ball will enter the endzone., limiting the number of times you allow a ball to hit the ground.

    2. Return each ball for as many yards as they can.

    3. Score points without the offense being on the field.

    NOBODY has said that Hester had a bad game yesterday. I don't see why the Hester fans are getting their knickers in a twist. Actually, I do see why, but I'm not getting into that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I give up on figuring out what he was supposed to do yesterday besides return one for a TD that would have satisfied the critics. Shit, Forte goes for 160 yards of offense and he gets called out. Cutler leads us back in the final seconds for a win and he gets called out. Hester sets the single game franchise record and he gets called out.
    I don't get it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    agree 100%.

    ALL I am saying hester-lovers, is that I need more than one good (can't call it great without a TD) game in the pouring rain on soldier to say he's back after what he did.

    Are you guys forgetting that he made the conscious decision to cheat the rest of his team mates and all of us fans out of anything close to real effort for two entire years while he collected millions and millions of dollars!?!?!?!?

    One fucking good game!?!??! Seriously!?!?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not forgetting, but it's a "what have you done lately" league...and he just set the franchise single game record. That counts for something, and not coincidentally, it means he just beat his own record for KR yardage in a game by a substantial margin...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And that includes the 2006-07 edition of Skunk...it's not like the Soldier Field turf was any great shakes back then either!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    question for you (and I don't know the answer)...

    Would you rather have had him take one back instead of two long ones and the record?

    Just curious... their return for a td got me thinking which would have had a bigger impact on the game.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think you'd nearly always take putting points on the board (I can think of some exceptions dependent on time remaining, score, etc) but man, getting great field position on two drives...that has a direct impact on your ability to score and/or put field position pressure on the other team. I don't think it's a toss-up, though - I would've liked the TD return.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's the shit I'm talkin' about MB.

    The boy did great, but let's see more. How bad is Muinny's coverage team? We don't know. Based on recent years of Hester production, not very good. He owes us.

  • My response is the same. Hester's two returns followed Minnesota's two biggest plays of the game.

    I'll take the two long ones over one TD in this case. Unhesitatingly

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This^

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i better call saul!

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Hahahaha

  • In the last thread I may have unfairly ripped on Forte. My bad folks, was not aware how many yards he had actually gotten. The fumble just really threw me off as it happens so infrequently.

    and he also didn't have a stupid -13 yard run, so for that I'm very thankful.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    That was a Barry Sanders-like play. Thing is, Peterson also has the stuff to turn that crap in a 80+ yard touchdown.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That would have required some Tecmo bowl shit to accomplish that fron around the bears 15 yard line Dave.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I was waxing generalities, compadre.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    does he? i know he's got the power to do things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-UzHJQ8kiQ

    but does he have the speed to do the barry-back-and-forth-and-back-and-gone?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    He's not as fast as Sanders, but he's fast enough I think.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    yeah. but can he beat a cheetah in a race?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Ditto - the stats on NFL.COM showed the Marshall/Martellus catch totals at 7, Forte's was not immediately visible BELOW them. 11 catches/ Keep that up/ Teams can't cover everybody.

  • My game preview actually came pretty close.

    I predicted that AP would hover around 100 0TD and maybe a fumble (and he ended with that exact line).

    - Warned that Rudolph is dangerous in the redzone, and he finised with a TD (apparently, since I didn't get to see thanks to fucking Fox).

    - Wasn't sure about Simpson, but knew Jennings would find those soft spots, and he did.

    - Thought Trestman would use Forte much like the Lions with Bush, and 11 receptions later, that came to fruition.

    - Predicted 28-17, which almost happened. Didn't think the Vikes would get a strip-fumble and kr for a TD, so there's the discrepancy.

    - I thought the Vikes would blitz a bit more, but they chose their spots more selectively.

    - Pass rush is really worrying me. If Melton is not getting the job done, then put in Collins. Shea seems to be gaining more playing time.

    - I'm excited about Hester but most teams have kickers who can boot it out of the endzone. On PR, he allows way too many kicks to die inside the 10. Does he realize that if he calls a fair catch, the other team can't hit him? Didn't he get pulled from PRs? Are we going to pay him $1M to see footballs sail out of the back of the endzone all season? I don't think we win last game without him, but I'm not sure we're back to the 2006 Hester extravaganza.

  • Not again with the Hester thing...look, the Super Bowl is going to be played outdoors in February in New York. So, since we'll be there, let's extrapolate that there WILL be returnable kick-offs in that weather...and who do you want back there returning them when the chips are on the table? I kind of want the greatest return specialist of all time back there. Is he 2006 Hester? Probably not. Is Briggs 2006 Briggs? Probably not...but I'll take this years edition over any realistic option available.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And why do we care what he's making now? The guy's on the roster, he just set the franchise record, and even if he's not bringing them back, he's going to be impacting field position, directly or indirectly.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I think he'll make an impact, but I'm just not gonna get overly optimistic about Hester affecting every game due to the new rules. And if he's pulled from PR duties (which I doubt), he'll make even less of an impact.

    The money he makes is fair to question. Pretty sure that money could have been used for Izzy or another Dlinemen, etc.

    But, Hester performed great yesterday (outside of the PRs). My only point is that I'm not sure how many games he can change like that this season because of the new rules.

    Maybe like 3-4 games? He got 1 in the books, and if he can give us a boost like that in a few more games, I'll take it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You, rabbit, are a voice of reason in a surprisingly negative 2-0 world. I thank you sir.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You're assuming he'll do this week in week out? On different surfaces? Against better units? I sure hope so, he is the specialist who doesn't do anything else after all .....

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Do you want him fielding the punts in that weather too? But as you say, he is our option and I'm okay with that. Once the 53 was picked then we have to live with it. The only roster spot I was unhappy with was the skinny rookie over Tolliver. I'm actually okay with Hester being on the roster as long as he's not pretending to be a wide receiver. That was always the issue.

  • Dammit, man, I'm an analyst not a theoretician...is the issue that he isn't a WR or not? You're hurting my brain cell.

  • Expecting a return to the 2006 Hester is not reasonable, no matter WHO you put back there. No one before, or since, has done anything like that. Except Hester in 2007, that is.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HestDe99.htm

    Looking at the numbers, I don't understand what everyone saw that was so terrible about Hester the receiver under Ron Turner (2008 and 2009). You guys most likely remembered how I could not stand Turner, but after Martz and Tice...

    While his numbers (~50 receptions for ~700 yards) are definitely not #1 material, they are not bad for a #3.

    No doubt people will jump my ass for this post anyway, so I'll add another comment that next time you're giving Jay a pass for not performing in a shitty system with retarded playcalling, you may consider according other guys on the squad a similar courtesy.

    Can anyone name ANY receiver that Darryl Drake, et al, helped get better? How can, for example, a staff not develop a guy that set the all-time SEC career receptions record playing for *Vanderbilt* into a Pro-Bowl player? Can you imagine what a decent offensive mind and good coaching staff would have done with Earl Bennett? Instead, he went to the place where receivers were sent to die.

    How nice it is that I can use past tense in that last sentence!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    My god man, have you taken leave of your good senses (to quote Gov. Lepetemaine in Blazing Saddles)? Yeah, Drake really didn't get it done. Lots of offensive coaches of the previous regime can lay claim to that title. At this point, Cutler wouldn't throw it to Hester on a one-man route. Just glad Devin had a great game (when you set a Bears record for KR ydg in a game, it's great. It's not like the Bears have run out a bunch of tomato cans over the years). Hope things continue with the arrow pointing up. Most first year coaches would have lost both games.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I love that film.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I've seen it countless times. If it's uncensored and no commercials I'll still watch it. Brooks did that and Young Frankenstein back to back. Inspired to say the least.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    "Up YOURS nigger!"

    And people would probably complain about the horse getting knocked out nowadays ....

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I don't think so, Canada. Tell me what is so bad about a 50 catch, 700 yard season from a #3 receiver. I really don't get it...

    I was not saying that Hester should be playing WR now, but those two years he was far from hopeless. And yes, I realize that does not pass the "what have you done for me now?" test, but people were bitching high and mighty about him then too.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    you know why we were bitching high and mighty? because lovie et al. were billing hester as a #1 receiver. shit, even when marshall got here he said that hester had the goods to be a #1.

    we didn't believe them, but we said, "ok. we'll play along because we have no other choice." well, we all know what happened from there. his return game suffered. 0 return TDs in 2009 and 2010. and only minimal impact as a receiver (7 TD over the 2 seasons).

    decent for a #3 receiver. yes. but not at the sacrifice of the greatest return man in history.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Evan do some research. 2010 Devin Hester KO's 35.6 yd avg/return, PR's 17.1 yd avg/return with 3 TD's.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    you're 100% correct. mea culpa. i meant 08/09. (6 receiving touchdowns those two seasons).

    2008: 6.2 PR / 21.9 KO
    2009: 7.8 PR / 22.3 KO

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't get the hate. He was a #3 that Lovie was passing off as a #1. That wasn't Devin's fault. I just wish people would get the facts correct.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We're in the same place now, Canada. That's exactly what I was talking about... thanks for stating it better.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    that's what i said. he was being billed as a #1. as such, the team didn't need to go out and find a true #1. why not? because we have him! his name is devin!

    it's not his fault, but at the same time it is. because without the "devin is our #1" we may have actually acquired one somehow under JA.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Was there ever a funnier movie than Blazing Saddles? That and The Jerk. Some funny shit.

  • What's been amusing to me is that Jay is now getting fluff treatment for the two consecutive 4th quarter comebacks..."he's got a golden arm in the NFL...blah, blah"

    Like we didn't know that? Like we didn't know it was his shit heap of an o-line and terrible offensive coordinators that were a large part of the problem?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Even Hub seems to be grudgingly coming around. When the guys at the Score set him up to do a Cutler rant, Hub didn't bite.

    Hub said that Cutler struggled in the past, but look at who his Oline and receivers were. I think that's the first time I heard him reserve judgment on him.

    Usually Hub goes all, "Cutler is Cutler. He's still a scattered-brained bone head with bad body language who lacks leadership"

    We don't win that game if Davis is still our TE.

    Then Cutler would be "same ole Cutler" today as opposed to "Mr. 4rth Quarter."

    Amazing how talent can change perception.

    It's like bizarro world. Brady is the new Cutler, and Cutler is the new Brady lol

  • Perception is everything. It's quite astounding how the storyline changes 180 degrees based fractions of inches in last seconds of games. If Cutler doesn't connect with Black Uni at the end of the game, we're lamenting his effort yesterday instead of calling him Clutchler today.

    All that matters yesterday is that the Bears won. But the fact they won on both sides of the ball when the game was on the line speaks volumes about where this season could be headed. On defense, stopping Peterson and Ponder in the red zone and limiting them to a TD at least afforded Cutler an opportunity to redeem himself. And when the Bears were set up with good field position again on the final drive of the game, Jay found another reliable target in his new tight end Marty Bennett.

    Making big boy plays in big boy moments are what it's all about in the NFL. Trestman said it himself, all you ask for at the end of a game in the NFL is a chance to win. The Bears got that chance yesterday and they made the most of it. Establishing that kind of confidence and that kind of identity on a team can go a long way.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Defense limiting them to a FG not TD, obv.

  • One thing I think beyond the field has helped him too, and that is the fact that he has started saying more "leader like" stuff to the press and no doubt to his teammates.

    Not sure if there was some deference in Jay to Urlacher, but with Brian out of the picture the path was wide open for Jay to step up and move towards the "face of the franchise" role. Personally, I don't think he likes having to do that, and the fact that he *is* speaks volumes to me about his maturation as a QB.

    If you look at my posts over the past couple of months, I've been advancing this theme because it's something I'm seeing and frankly *really* liking. And no one's called "bullshit" on me yet.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Good point, maybe while Brian was around Cutty didn't really feel like it was his team. Lac leaves, then Cutty feels like The Man. And he is. Brady, Brees, looking quite normal now. Peyton appears to be better than ever though. It's as if his arm is stronger somehow.

  • Yeah, people talk about Cutler's sulks, but Brady, I expected more from him.

    Cutty is growing up, finally.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Exactly - the average fan just regurgitates what they read about Cutler from the 'experts'. He's better than Flacco, better than Eli IMHO. And they're "elite" QBs.

  • Jeff made the right call by pointing out Hester's return yards yesterday. However, it's a little too early to announce the "return" of Devin Hester. See how I did that MB.

    If Devin continues, I will not hold back the accolades. I suspect we will continue to see an improved Hester as long as his legs stay fresh.

    On Cutty: Good Jay needs to get bigger, Bad Jay needs to get smaller. Overall, I don't think you can put all three turnovers on him yesterday. Overall, I was happy with his game.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I did trac, I did.

    Jeff, just stop it. seriously man. Let's wait a couple more games before you dave and rabbit (you too?! I never saw this coming!) call for the second coming of devin. If it happens, awesome... I just want to see more than one game on ice first.

    And what's with the peanut thing... hope you aren't talking bout me willis, cause the nut is one of my fav bears of all time and I nary a negative word has left my mouth about him. Fucking hayden, glasshardin, and startsky and hutch back there, yes... peanut and timmyj, no.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I don't remember who was bitching about Peanut, although there's been talk for the last two years about possibly moving him to safety if he's lost a step (a plan that I think fails the stink test). I think the guy is going to put up HOF numbers by the time he retires...and would be much closer if Steltz hadn't crushed him in the ribcage a couple of years back.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ah, that was it. I think a few of us tlaked about moving him to dsafety, but that's because he had no safeties. He could do more ball-hawking at safety. I don't buy the "Peanut is fragile" thing though. He's a football player and probably looks a right specimen nekkid.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jeff brought up Hester on this thread, so this is all right-to-reply stuff.

    We remarked yesterday that Hester had lost a step or two and that he is a messer on punts. Both are true. He had a great game on kickoffs. That is also true.

    Absolutely MB, one good game for Hester does NOT excuse the last two years. One game - a career best notwithstanding - does not make up for 32 games.

    Let us remind ourselves, the goal is to have ONE kickoff return per game, not to be good at it -that means the other team is scoring a lot. Perfection is the objective. NFLreturn men are either RBs or WRs. Hester is neither, so you'd better be fast into the bargain. If you are solely a return man, then you are SUPPOSED to have good return numbers - not get a fucking parade thrown for you when you have a good day. We had a shitty receiving corps BECAUSE of Hester.
    He was impersonating a WR ... FOR YEARS OF FRAUD!! Now one good game and he's Jesus of Nazareth??

    The Peanut remark is confusing too - who was having a go at Peanut last year ? Tim Jennings perhaps. I've never been much of a fan. He makes interceptions and then looks terrible. That Sherman guy in comparison looks like the prototypical modern CB. He's like a tall muscular version of Lester Hayes/ Check out the Seahawks highlights for him all over Boldin. Boldin was PISSED.

    Like to see us draft a big corner next. Corner/safety/DE BPA. Get some trade organized to get Schwenke here.

    Peppers and Hester for Schwenke - Hester fans?

  • What?!?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Brian Schwenke?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The very man. This one :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lBj50Mx7nk

    Admittedly, Garza is not collapsing - we will have to get a new center though. Schwenke .. whoever, but we need one next year. He looks like an animal. I'm not really serious about Pep. Nobody would want his age and contract. Nor Hester's come to think about it.

    I trust Emery to sort it out.

  • Name me an elite return guy who was also an elite wide receiver at the same time, btw. The great ones have rarely done double duty effectively. Serviceable, yes, but elite? Hard to think of any.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Deion Sanders. Tim Brown. Off the top of my head ....

    But who mentioned elite? The return guy should be a guy who can do something else unless they're so spectacular at returning. He USED to be spectacular and ridiculous at returning. Let's see. Yesterday was unquestionably a great day for him on KOs. Let's see.

  • Tim Brown had one year where he did anything as a kick returner, although I'll grant you he did lots of damage as a punt returner. Also, he retired like 12 years ago.
    Deion...not a great example. The one year where he did -anything- of note as a wide receiver, he did zero, zippo, zilch as a return guy. And again, this all happened almost 20 years ago for Deion.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Deion Sanders ...the cornerback .... ahem. It was three thirty in the morning. That shit was funny. Tune in tomorrow when I outline Lawrence Taylor as the greatest punter the game has ever seen. Jesus.

  • exactly irish.

    And sherman is probably one of the best CBs in the nfl right now. guy's a beast.

    As for timmy j. not sure what his deal is right now, but the last time he was bad he was playing really injured. Then he took time off and when he came back he blew it up again. Maybe he's hurt, or the 'new' d is still giving him some trouble mentally? I do know that he's the fucking man... small, but the man and I'm glad to have him in absence of a sherman or revis.

  • Same old bullshit. Hester had 3 TD's 2 years ago. 1 KO and 2 PR. That is hardly a bad year. His punt return avg in 2011 was 16.2 yds/return. He sucked last year. Not the year before. Some of you guys might want to do a little research every now and then.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The facts don't support the rage, and hence are ignored.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Never had a problem with his stats - he's the GOAT - it's/was his attitude.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I recall several people thinking Peanut was done and needed to be moved to Safety. Before last season perhaps?

  • But if a player gives you reason to suspect something's up, then hindsight is always 20/20. We also had Olsen defenders on here, Angelo defenders. Past history. We move on. It's all about wehat's ebst for the team. Damn, we've been wondering would Cutty ever see the light. Apparently he has, but we don't need to eat any crow, we're just glad it's turning out that way. I saw at least one play on Sunday where he would have just rifled it in there like the old days. He didn't. Can't remember what he DID do though.

    Multiple. Concussions.

  • A little bit of trivia for you boyz,,,, and btw you may get a chuckle out of it...I did.

    from Briggs..10 thoughts

    10 a. In the boxscore the Vikings listed two players who dressed for the game that did not play – backup quarterback Matt Cassel and reserve offensive tackle J’Marcus Webb.

  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/16/bears-didnt-commit-violation-on-game-winning-play/

    well just fooki me

  • Clucth Cutty ...A new superhero in town!?

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Has-Jay-Cutler-become-clutch.html

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Nice article. Hard to believe the OL are shitting themselves at that point.

  • BTW not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Steelers just lost Pouncey for the year.
    We better get some pressure on the QB next week or I'm calling shenanigans.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Didn't Pouncey go down for the year last week? The thing with Ben is you need more than plain old pressure, you need about three guys actually assaulting him. In a toilet, with your security outside the door.

    Just had a thought re Hester if he was dealt - he's a cowgirls fan. Package him with somebody for Miles Austin. Or back home to Miami for Hartline .....
    {IRISH! STOPPIT!}

    Sorry.

    And another thing .....

  • You're right - I just started scouting the Steelers roster.
    And noooooooooo!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Y'know, I bet it doesn't phase Big Ben one bit. He'll still stand in there like a fkn weeble with people all over him and still get passes off. I don't like him, but he's a tough QB.

  • Trade him for neckbeard and get rid of the bum McKown.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Steelers still have a tough D, but very questionable Oline.

    And outside Antonio Brown, not much.

    Tonight will probably be another low digit slug fest. Hope the Bengals and Steelers beat each other up in triple over time.

  • Want the Bengals fresh for the Pack next week.

  • Shouldn't we be talking about Pep instead? He gets paid a LOT more than Hester.

  • hey now. back off the big guy. he had a tackle last game.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    8 behind my man James Anderson!

  • http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/09/lunch-cheese-package.jpg

    For some reason I pictured shady when I saw this.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    this too: http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/resize/550x600/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/09/meowls-cat-owls.jpg

  • Weems's play is something that I've been harping on for years. When a punt-team player is the first to touch the ball, the absolute worst outcome for the receiving team is to get the ball at the spot of the touch. This is called, literally, an "illegal touch." It only doesn't get called that because typically punt return teams don't capitalize on it, and the ball is killed at the location of the touch.

    I was screaming my fool head off at the announcers for the game, because they clearly had no clue about the rule. This was not a "risky" move by Weems, or, as the play-by-play later said, even a "low-risk" move. IT WAS A NO-RISK MOVE. Like a QB getting the defense to jump, and then throwing a stupid-ass pick on the play--worst-case scenario, the offense gets the ball back 5 yards closer to the sticks, with the down over.

    I want to see this happen more often. Kudos to Weems.

    And Weems being deep on PR? On at least one punt, he AND Hester were deep, and then Hester ran up into the block formation. Hester's still back on punts; I think the Bears were mixing things up, trying to get the Vikings to "directionally" kick to the wrong guy.

  • When Weems did it Cutler gave him a spirited high five before anyone....because Jay is smart and knows the rules and mouthbreathers don't.

  • I'm also surprised other teams don't try it more often. You see the play a lot, punters trying to down the ball inside the 5, and players jumping into the endzone trying to save it from a touchback. Why wouldn't returners do whatever they could to cause a touchback or advance the ball further with, as you said, no risk?

  • In reply to Shady:

    So in that instance, if a gunner managed to stop the ball going into the end zone and a teammate had not secured the ball, would it be legal to hoof it through the uprights for a touchback? Or do you have to slap it like weems?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Why don't more teams or returners try what Weems did?

    No clue. I literally bitch about this every time a gunner touches the ball first. I know I've bitched here on this blog before about this.

    There is no risk. It's exactly like a free play on an offsides.

  • I think because *if* my understanding is correct, and the receiving team knows the rule, there is likewise no benefit.

    On the play yesterday, if the Vikings had let Weems bat the ball out of the endzone, BUT NOT TOUCHED IT themselves, the ball would have been spotted at the 2 yard line (or wherever it was when Weems touched it). The only reason the Bears got the touchback s because Minnesota touched it again after Weems did.

    Or so I understand the rule.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Oh, I'm not talking about the batting of the ball out of the endzone. Honestly, I would never even think about trying to get the Punt coverage team to do that dipsy-doodle.

    No, I'm just talking about if Weems tried to pick the ball up and run (which he did), even if Minny had covered up the ball, thinking it was a "muff," it's still Bears ball at the 2 (or wherever it had been touched by them). According to the rule, after an "illegal touch," the return team could pick up the ball, fumble it back to the punting team, and then the punting team returns it for a TD... and it's still the receiving team's ball wherever the illegal touch happened.

    Weems knows this. Minny guys obviously didn't. Billick obviously didn't. It's not an obscure rule, really, it's just that for some reason returners don't try to exploit it.

  • Hester somehow had a revelation in the offseason and saw the writing on the wall. He is a new man. His confidence level is sky high and since he is averaging 47 yards per return other teams have now taken notice.

    When Hester believes he is a force then he is a force. I haven't seen this kind of confidence for years. He feels he can take every single kick to the house and that is why he will be a contributor this year. He is attacking holes hard and is setting up opposing players for his moves like the old days.

    He may only take 1 to the house since he doesn't have 2006 Hester speed anymore but his ballsy attack of the holes is going to result in many 35+ yard returns this year.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I have to believe watching Cordarrelle Patterson return the opening kick got him going too.

  • In reply to Shady:

    agreed sir

  • In reply to Shady:

    During the game, I commented to the people at the table around me how amped he was. He was waving almost hysterically at the fans in the end zone seats to get them yelling.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    and if that proves to be true consistently over the next couple weeks, I will gladly belly up to the bar and finish every bit of my crow.

    Just want to see it first before handing out the fucking blowjobs... yes, I'm looking at the three of you (you know who you are ((gives the boston terrier wise-eye: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asnbU7m-z5o)))

    Fucking cracks me up every time.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How are you going to fit all of that crow and 3 penises (penii??) into your mouth? Hester looks to be on fire. Kicking away now counts so get ready to take all that....crow.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I will figure out a way. In fact, I'll probably just ask shady, he'll def know.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yeah, you're right, he's helpful like that.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=penis002&word=penes&text=%5C%3Cspan%20class%3D%22unicode%22%3E%CB%88%3C%2Fspan%3Ep%C4%93-(%3Cspan%20class%3D%22unicode%22%3E%CB%8C%3C%2Fspan%3E)n%C4%93z%5C

  • In reply to Waffle:

    His tweets are bizarre. Megalomaniacal almost.

  • http://larrybrownsports.com/football/chargers-stick-it-to-michael-irvin-win-over-eagles/204195

  • oh chico

    http://www.fireronrivera.com/

  • ok, last one. this one's for my my shady

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzETQCYW3GY

  • Jeff,
    Throwing out "I told you so" with regard to Hester after one good game in which he didn't even score is weak sauce.
    You should have waited to see a few more games before you stuck your neck out like that. This blog is going to be full of counterinsurgents every time he shits the bed now.
    His stock has definitely risen, but
    to assume he's "back" or irreplaceable is a bit premature. Could well bite you in the ass like it did with JWebb.

  • the Dashon Goldson thing is just sad now... it's gone from infuriating to sad.

    The game we love is being inexorably changed before our eyes. It's ridiculous and dangerous. start saying your goodbyes to real football boys.

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    Hester did not seem like a dumbass yesterday to me.

  • In reply to Dabeast54:

    uhhhhh... huh?

  • In reply to Dabeast54:

    You sure? Did you hear the post game?

  • Bears Vikings to be reshown on NFL network on Tuesday.

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    We need Lovie back haha, we have completeness on offense, we need to draft a De this coming April, then we will be a complete team. we are headed in the right direction, I would rather protect Cutler and give quarterbacks all day, then Cutler getting thrown down like a rag doll, because we won't win a ring without Jay. Bear down Defense.PS Tucker will canned after this season.

  • In reply to Dabeast54:

    jesus. you're a fucking genius! You are also clairvoyant!!!

    Holy shit, how do you do it after two games and how many take aways? How many d TDs?

    Jesus christ... SMFH.

  • Jags 20 point underdogs @ SEA.

    MJD questionable. No Blackmon. No Gabbert (though this might be a good thing).

    Wow. Could get ugly up there.

  • Major Wright mic'd up for game.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Vikings-Bears-Sounds-Safety-Wright/1e376571-04a5-4d27-b5aa-bacfaa0c977e

  • http://uncrate.com/stuff/grand-theft-auto-v/

    gotta be honest. I've never been a 'violent video games are bad cause people copy them' guy... but I might be changing my tune, at least for non-military fps like this.

    Also, in a belt-fed minigun, don't you need the belt part? Where are the rounds coming from in that pic? (I know, I know)

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