Cutler & the Contract: QB Must Improve as Leader of Men

Cutler & the Contract: QB Must Improve as Leader of Men

There's been a debate on Twitter, the locale of seemingly all sports debates these days, on what Bears quarterback Jay Cutler must achieve in 2013 to earn a lucrative contract extension from Phil Emery and the purse string holders at Halas Hall. The opinions range "HE MUST HAVE A 2012 FLACCO SEASON AND WIN IT ALL" to "he can't screw up". When asked the question myself I have balked at responding. Til now.

Cutler has to improve.

He has to stop forcing passes into locations they don't belong. He has to stop abandoning his mechanics when the pocket seems ready to implode around him. He has to learn the value of throwing the football into the third or fourth row of the stadium, sacrificing the far-too-valuable completion percentage. He has to stop taking sacks he does not have to take.

But more than anything snap and toss-related, Cutler must improve as a leader of men. Marc Trestman will instill #6 with every resource necessary to make the on-field adjustments listed above. If he fails to take advantage, so be it. The Bears will move on and be shopping for a quarterback in next May's draft. But improving as a passer and decision maker is no longer enough.

The Bears organization, for the first time in their illustrious history, have made the decision to be an offensive-minded organization. In today's NFL that means an emphasis on the passing game. That's why Trestman was hired and that's why Cutler now becomes THE focal point of everything happening on the lakefront. If he fails, the Bears fail. If the men in the locker room don't believe in him, they will not play for him.

The great NFL organizations have already made this transition and their quarterbacks have stepped to the plate. Manning. Brady. Rodgers. Manning. Brees. Roethlisberger. So on. All their teams have won championships and all of those championships have been won because of them. But they also share another trait: they own their locker rooms.

There can be no more on-field displays of insubordination from Cutler. There should be no reports of locker room dissension. Whether or not the Bears sign Cutler to a lucrative contract extension should be moot. The Chicago Bears, moving forward, should not conceivably exist without Cutler. He should be the organization. He should be the future. He should be every bit as indispensable as Walter Payton and Brian Urlacher were during their primes.

This is his time. This is his franchise. But it will require maturity for him to cease it. You will need to look beyond the stat sheet to see if he's matured.


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  • Must have a 2012 flaccid season?

    Geez, now that he's married, I guess he's gone soft.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    But it will require maturity for him to cease it.

    Cease, as in cease and desist? Or seize, as in the Romans and Carthage?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Gotta love those Romans...awesome Military with no morals...perfect combo for conquest.

  • I have high expectations for this season and Jay...maybe too high.

    There is no doubt 50% of the outcome of this season is going to on Jay's Shoulders...the other 50% on the New Coach but mostly the newly formed Offensive line. Yes Jay MUST improve both in attitude on the field and making better decisions while in the pocket. It can't however be ALL about Jay...It takes a "team" to win the big one.

  • Jesus, who edits these "columns?" Not only is this topic trite and obvious, the writing is painful.

    Illustrious history? One Super Bowl trophy in the case.

  • In reply to colonel angus:

    Colonel Angus! We're always happy to see your shiny face!

  • What's that smell?

  • Don't forget Anus, you broke Cheesehead motherfucker, that Halas paid your room and board and kept you afloat when you were sucking dick underneath the Fox River bridge for nickels.

  • Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to colonel angus:

    The NFL exists because of Halas and the Bears Colonel Anus. Turns out there was a lot of football played prior to the Superbowl era.

  • In reply to colonel angus: sound much more like a Major Anus to me buddy

  • In reply to colonel angus:

    Must be a Steven Seagal fan.

  • +1

  • In reply to colonel angus:

    Nine league champs, 18 divisional championships. Fool.

    {Don't feed the troll Irish!}

    But he's a silly c**t!

  • Oh Johnny is gonna looooove this one!

  • Anyone see this? Mr. Nut might be out of our price range with another season like last year...

  • I was just going to post that Coach. Good to see you back here!

  • COACH!!!

  • that was a solid article.

  • Pretty wild that last year Calvin averaged 53 yards per game against the Bears, and 133+ against the rest of the league.

  • Colonel Anus

  • First of all let me say that I am absolutely fucking shocked (and pleased) that there is new content on the site today.

    I wish I could truly convey to you all how happy I am that Jay is actually going to be given a chance to play professional football with all of the following at the same fucking time and not one item per year as was allowed for the last 4 years:

    1. an NFL caliber playcaller with a history of offensive production
    2. an offensive line that doesn't completely consist of UFA's, busts, 7th rounders, castoffs, retreads and fucking pussies that quit the team.
    2a. An offensive scheme actually and purposefully designed to limit the fucking ass kickings that the QB endures and instead focuses more on getting the ball into the hands of the talent around him.
    3. an NFL caliber TE who excels at blocking and understands that it's ok not to fucking fall down immediately after catching a pass.
    4. WR's that could actually play and a couple that could even (gasp) maybe even start on other teams????
    5. our number 1 WR won't be a 30yr old kick returner.

    It's fucking shameful that we're even talking about the QB at all given the fucking pig shit components he's been playing with for the last couple of years.

    Let's just watch how this plays out. When he does well everyone will call for a hometown discount. The same hometown that has treated him like a murdering cat raper who bullies kids and knocks down old people.

  • This has to be johnny... I've been wondering where you've been.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The upon us.

  • kind of.

  • Jeez, rape one cat and you're labeled for life!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Isn't cat rape a bit redundant? I mean, can a feline actually consent to intercourse? I know every pussy MBs tried to bang bang has said no one way or another.

  • In reply to Shady:

    You will be hearing from my lawyer shortly. Slander and liable is no joke.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're liable to get thrown out of court trying to sue for libel based on *this* blog, bro!

  • In reply to Shady:

    I would proffer that no cat has ever been raped by a man in the history of the planet. If you can't even make them sit still on your lap .....

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Third time I've read this and still loling at it.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Sixth time...still funny.

  • We've killed this Cutler discussion a million times (thanks Johnny!). I'd rather talk about Peanut. I'm hoping something can be worked out and he retires a Bear (unless his skills go completely in the shitter). Hopefully Peanut is up for a slight hometown discount. He's my favorite Bear and has been for years (MB thought it was Devin). We have to keep him if he has another great year (there's no reason to think he won't).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    With you on the peanut love my man. He's one of my favorites as well... and I def hope he retires a Bear.

    We share that... and our love of July I imagine. Next year I AM going to check Le Tour in person.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Da Bears Blog European Adventure?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    that would be awesome, you and everyone else is of course welcome to meet up. That would be fun.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Aye that would be fantastic. I can get a cheap flight to Paris easy enough. Get it organised MB!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Well fuck it DY, I'm in. So at the very least you and I can hang out a bit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hot dog. Even if it's just a weekend or something it would be good to finally meet some of the regs.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Ah, Paris. The fucking awesomeness of Paris.

  • +1

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Awesome! Did you see the stage today? If not, I won't spoil it for you but check out Cav's sprint! What's happening on the new bike front? Are you going to wait til this winter and hope to get a discount? My newest bike is 13 years old and I'm probably done buying new bikes. I've got 6 bikes. The oldest was a frame from the '70's that I built up. My touring bike that I use for my week-long rides is 30 years old. Still have a few original bits on it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Didn't get to see it yet, busy/early meeting day. Will catch it tonight when I get home.

    I have to see how things shake out in the next couple months, but I still badly want to trade my P3 for the P5:

    God I love that bike. I probably would get the lighter version that's $4k-ish less. That thing is so damn sexy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That must be the non-electric version. Smart move. I get having the latest and greatest is wonderful but at what price? Not to mention all the mechanicals in both tours.

    Cav went on a total rant about his bike on the team bus after losing a sprint. I think OPQS are sponsored by SRAM. Even though they aren't electric he must have missed a shift. I used to dislike Cav because he was such a hot head but he's matured some and always gives the proper people credit post race. Not to mention his hot wife!!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yeah, I know you don't love them, but my good buddy has them and he LOVES them. Has said nothing but good things. I'm sure that will be tempered with his first repair bill when it eventually happens.

  • No, Colonel Anus, only 1 SB, plenty of championships, a flagship organization, still have the most players in the HOF of any team..No, not illustrious at all. Jackass.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Dude lied about his rank, he's actually just a Major Asshole.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or a general douchebag.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    hee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    More like Major Disappointment

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good One!

  • Argument:

    If you put Peanut in the Pro Bowl all the times he SHOULD have gone, there is a "no contest" argument that Peanut belongs in Canton, moreso than Champ Bailey or Revis.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    in... but I'm biased... and in all fairness. he wasn't in the PB all those times. Sad, but true.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Why should the Pro Bowl even factor into discussions on Canton?
    Stupid popularity contest.
    Stats and context, stats and context.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    With you all the way, MBP.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • I have a hard time believing or picturing Eli (bonk) Manning owning the locker room lol. I guess after two rings he must. Its just tough to see go bonk go

  • Still on ChicagoNow huh? Oh well, forge ahead!

  • Colonel Anus, did it in the gay bath house, with a big dildo!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:


  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Seems you have uncovered clues regarding sordid and nefarious activities of a certain troll.

  • I feel kinda bad for Jay, because I just know how this season is going to go.

    He's Year 1 of Trestman cookbook, and the recipes have more sugar in them than Paula Deen. He has the advantage of a veteran quality RB in Forte, so the assignments in the backfield should quickly gel, but he has at least 3 new lineman in front of him, and he just lost his FB and it would take 2 years before things really clicked.

    But Chicago and the press won't give him two years. By October nobody will remember (or care) this is an inaugural season. Because this is Chicago and people are unfair. It's how it is.

    So I'm hoping it comes together early. One thing that happened ast year is that we all got over-confident in the pre-season. The fact was, we were using Mike Tice's playbook, which was published by Fisher Price and had pop-ups for the diagrams. So, as a result, it looked really good in pre-season when the simple simon plays were all about execution.

    But as the defenses began to figure us out, and our defense stopped winning games solo, it all fell down like Paula Deens facial structure on CNN. Man, I cannot let off that broad today.

    So, what I'm saying is: be really forgiving this pre-season. We may see some weird, inexplicable shit and we may lose every single game. THIS IS NOT A BAD THING. It means we're working in a real offense that will last into the stretch. That's what I'm hoping to see, starting soon...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what I've learned over the last 4 years... especially hanging out with you derelicts... gotta wait till the 4th quarter to see if things are falling into place or blowing up.

    Unless we lose a ton of games and are abject dogshit up to that point. But if we're still in the hunt by the 4th Q of the season, that's when the answers start showing themselves.

    That said, I WILL blow up a few times and have a bunch of rants, os be prepared for that and don't call me a hypocrite. Thanks and fuck you very much my bitches.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good call on the Bears and Paula. Not that I give a shit about celebrity chefs but she seemed to have as much culinary skill as Rachel Ray (as in none). Not to mention she doesn't do well under pressure, to say the least. Also, it looks like Nigella is free to play the field. Hopefully you and MB don't have a death match over her.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I believe GP is taken... she's all mine. She is pretty damn sexy, and her food looks delicious!

    I think dean is a fat cow, but I think you can basically ruin a person's career (for at least a couple months) by uncovering that they uttered a racial slur during their lifetime. This shit is getting insane man, infuckingsane. SMHVV

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Totally agree about the media going on a feeding frenzy (see how I did that?). But from what I can tell, she's not exactly a wonderful person. Not to mention a dim bulb.

    If you ever hook up with Nigella we expect a full report!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hahahahaha... yep, with you.

    Oh I will. I don't see how, but you never know.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The whole frickin' party comes down to Garza being the center. That's the cornerstone of the whole fucking season right there. If he he isn't a bruiser taking people's names, then we're semi-fucked.

    Who sees him doing that at his age with no knees, when he didn't remotely show anything last season?

    Cutty may still get drowned by Angelo's incompetence.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    There is always the option to tag Jay after this year to give him one more shot. I sort of expect it, even though it would be a very expensive year.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Agreed with Dave, this year isn't make or break for #6. Unless he fails epically, which I don't expect.

  • Don't cha just hate it when this happens:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that's going to leave a mark.

    btw, not to try and force this down y'all's throats, but zimmerman has got to be acquitted on M2. Today's testimony just sealed it maings. Travon was on top of him kicking that little bitches ass GSP-style (back in the day GSP, not old, catious GSP). Manslaughter at worst. I would even think the self-defense argument sticks. that's just me.

    NB? How about your input here?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree they should have gone for manslaughter. I refuse to feel sorry for Zimmerman. He brought all of this on himself by being a total vigilante douchebag, cop wannabe.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    100% agree, but that kid was a fucking punk trying to play tough guy. No way in hell zimmerman should have been carrying, but if things went down the way zimmerman said and dude was smashing his head against the concrete (as forensic evidence seems to prove BYARD), I can def see how he feared for his life.... especially if it was true that martin told him he was going to kill him.

    net-net, it could be argued that zimmerman used justifiable force based on HIS situation and how he was experiencing it. Again, my $.02

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My two cents on the Zimmerman thing. Dude did what so many people decry Black youth for doing. He got escared and pulled a gun. In any other case this would be open and closed. But this guy tries to frame himself as a do gooder vs just some guy holding down the block. Then he says he was rushed and got scared. So either he's a liar and he wasnt attacked or he's a btch and got beat up by a 15 year old and then pulled a gun. Those arent two very appealing options.

  • agree he was a total meathead wannabe dbag.

    I also 100% think he got rushed and got his ass kicked by a much bigger, stronger 17 year old. Dude was 6'2" at the time of the altercation:

    Also agree it was not right and a horrible outcome, but facts being as they are... one could say it was justifiable self-defense, since SD is based on the victim's (or in this case the defendant's) perception of the events (by legal definition, as I understand it).

    Manslaughter at most, free with time served at least.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The problem for me is none of this would have happened if Zimmerman listened to the cops and not followed Martin. I'm guessing a few of us on here wouldn't have taken kindly to a guy stalking us for no reason. The more aggressive of us would probably have done the same thing as Martin and confronted the stalker. Zimmerman's plan B was to pull his gun and shoot the kid. He had to know there was a chance the kid would confront him. As most of you are aware, once a confrontation takes place and the adrenaline/testosterone starts flowing, anything can happen. Martin wasn't an angel but he was going back to a house in the neighborhood armed with a bag of skittles.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    don't buy that argument canada. You're convicting zimmerman because he was an asshole.

    Following and engaging are two different things. If he had followed martin, confronted him with his gun drawn, then shot the kid without any other physical interaction then your take above makes total sense to me.

    When you're getting your head smashed against the concrete by a 6' + guy who you don't know what he has in his pockets and you have no idea how old he is, that argument totally falls apart.

    Just as much as martin didn't deserve to get shot, zimmerman shouldn't get murder (or maybe even man1) for his actions in my mind. Dude got himself into a bad situation, but he didn't drive the outcome... that was on martin.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The cops didnt tell Zimmerman not to follow him, the dispatcher/911 operator did. Dispatchers have no authority to give orders, they run off of a script and often times they are mistaken. That is another bit of misinformation that the cops told him not to follow him.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    One guy initiated a confrontation while packing a gun, got punched, and shot the other guy.
    He's not culpable?
    C'mon man.
    Under what other circumstances do you get to do that and get off with time served?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Exactly. One guy is clearly responsible for the other being dead. It seems really cut and dry but the scared white folks out there will cling to any reason to defend this guy.
    Thought experiment. If this was a white woman he killed how would this case be handled differently?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh stop it!!

    Common man. This case was put to the media/gen public via the tvs and interwebs.

    I really don't think anything would be different if martin was a white guy. He was getting his ass kicked.

    using a woman as an example in this case... huh?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Really? You dont think this would be going down differently if it was an unarmed white woman he shot instead? And yes we've all hear the hyperbole of how Trayvon was 7 feet tall and crazed with anger. lol

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yeah, same with a 5 year old right?

    That's a ridiculous analogy/example my man.

    The facts are the kid was bigger, stronger, and a better fighter than zimmerman. the FACTS are that he had zero marks on his face and zimmerman had all of them. The Fact is that martin was kicking his ass.

    I have zero doubt the outcome would have been the same if everything else was the same but his race. Common dude, be logical for a little bit and take race out of it... that's just a weak route.

    If you have watched the trail there is NO WAY in hell the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. (which is THEIR job)

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    One guy is dead and one guy is soley responsible for that fact. Seams pretty clear to me. It semas the Zim defenders are the only ones taking race into account. He was escared of the big scary black male who happened to be a friggin child. The guy deserves jail time and lots of it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The question is: you pick a fight and are getting your ass kicked.
    No race, no age, no religion, no dislike of the others musical preferences.

    Do you get to shoot the other guy because you happen to be carrying?

    And if so, at what point in the ass-kicking do you get to make that call? When you get a bloody nose, when you get winded, choke-slammed, etc? What's the point at which you get to shoot them?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    according to the evidence, while zimmerman was following. it was martin who confronted, started (by throwing the first punch which knocked zimmerman to the ground), then straddled him and beat the shit out of him MMA style.

    At the point where the guy getting his ass kicked PERCEIVES that his life is in jeopardy is the legal answer from what I gathered during the trial. Dude was getting his ass kicked for 40 seconds before he shot.

    While I think it was def excessive force, I think it was indeed self defense. Not sure why martin continued to kick dude's ass since he seems like such a pussy.

    What would you do if you were in that situation - and have no idea who or how old or what agenda your attacker has?

    Anyway tragic regardless.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I don't wander around my neighborhood with a gun, following kids around, so I don't know what I'd do in that situation.

    And while he may have been getting it MMA style, if it was GSP on top of him, dude wouldn't have -walked- away with a broken nose and some scratches on his head. It was a fist fight, not some crazy Terrordome assault.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I just, for the life of me, cannot picture a 40 second beating of a life-threatening nature that leaves so few facial wounds. Other than some scratches and the nose, you don't get the impression that Trayvon was Mike Tyson redux.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I haven't followed the story much, but I'm pretty sure this would not be a national story if Zimmerman was black or his last name was Gonzalez. Or similarly if Trayvon was white. This story is all about race. The national media pretty much ignore black on black crime.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Joke? I don't get it. Martin was 5'11" / 158 lbs at the time of the his death. Zimmerman was 5'8" / 204 lbs.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    204 sack of shit. he was getting his ass kicked by the much more athletic guy.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Fun fact:

    "Vigilante Douchebag" was the follow up hit to Serengeti's smash-hit "Dennehy", also known as DBB's theme song.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wait did that star Steven Seagal? I think I saw that one.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think it was an open/shut case when the police initially investigated. Only went to court because of media/public outcry. The burden of proof rests on the prosecuters and their case lacks evidence. He will walk, question is what happens after that. He will live in a state of constant fear for the rest of his days. I think it's BS, he was convicted by our media way before the trial.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Oh that poor poor man. He deserves to live in fear for the rest of his life. Just like minority youth now have to live in fear of any guy who thinks he owns his own little suburban kingdom.

  • Point is, he wasn't given a fair shake as far as being tried. Everyone needs to stop assumiing until all the evidence is presented. Martin doesn't sound like the innocent little victim he's portrayed as.

    Sac, what would you do if you were being attacked/having your head pounded in by some guy who told you you were 'gonna die tonight'?

  • And Sac, minorty youth needn't fear the evil neighborhood watch man, the reality is that they probably fear other minority youth. That's the true epidemic in our country no one wants to talk about or come up with logical solutions for. That problem cuts deep. This whole GZ/TM case is pretty rare, hence the media blow-up. Screw those inner city kids who die every weekend for more logical reasons than self-proclaimed self-defense, like say for wearing red or blue, or something.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    dude, common. Are you serious?

    If martin hadn't punched him first and knocked him to the ground, then gotten on top of him and was kicking his ass... you think he would have been shot?

    Honest answer.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Honest answer. I think he would have been harassed either way. So I say good for him for standing up to some punk who think he owns the neighborhood. I'm just sorry that it had to cost him his life.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No, my point is I agree with you, MB. I think the evidence clearly supports GZ's story. I think it's BS that public/media squacking already fucked this guy way before said evidence was presented in court. 'Tis the age we live in, I guess.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    sorry Ben, I know you and I think similarly aboput this... my response was actually meant to be for Sac.

    Fucking blog.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This format is turrible, doubt you'll even be able to come back and see this comment cuz that seems to take about ten minutes worth of searching. No worries, man. I kinda deduced that right after posting.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    He didn't get fucked - he wasn't even going to go to court to justify it until public pressure, including the media, made sure this went through due process.
    If he gets off, he gets off, but you shouldn't be able to kill someone without going through the court system. Sorry.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Done in SPITE of a nurse telling the Docs the patient was responding to stimuli.

    Trite but true and apropos:

    Q: What is the difference between God and a Doctor?

    A: God doesn't think he's a Doctor.


    "You ask me if I have a "God" complex. Let me tell you something:
    I AM God. " - Alec Baldwin as Dr. Jed Hill in "Malice".

    My question: Are those Witch Doctors still licensed to practice?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    What about the insomniac, dyslexic philosopher? He sat up all night wondering if there was a dog.

  • I disagree Jeff, that Ben Raplissberger owns his locker room. In fact, if he did, they'd probably have even more rings. Guys on the Steelers don't like him, but they play for him. They play for him not because he's a leader of men, but because he puts it all on the line when he plays. They don't like him, but they respect him as a QB and that's enough.

    I've seen Jay play and I can't say whether he's likable or a leader of men. But I can say he puts it out there and I think the guys in the locker room see that and respect him (or at least his play as a QB).

  • Totally agree! BTW Doc I'm doing Ride Idaho next month. Should be fun.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Nice! Personally, I think not doing ride Idaho sounds like more fun. I'll actually be in Southern Oregon next month for my 20 yr reunion. Come to think of it, Ride Idaho sounds better.

  • this is awesome:

  • Unfortunately (for me), I am going to Florida next week to take my family on vacation - and they are going to acquit Zimmerman - hopefully AFTER next week - and then the Florida race riots start.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, it's going to be bad... and fucking ridiculous.

    They need to start getting harsh on that shit... and the inane riots after sports events. Fucking ridiculous.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    don't you mean the Chicago riots? Shit is going to pop off.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh boy! Another opportunity to start a few fires and loot stores.

    Pardon my cynicism, but I have to ask, not being much to read the news. Do the rioters mostly do so locally, or do they go over a few blocks so as to not steal or destroy the property of their actual neighbors?


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Interesting that those arent actually his cars.

  • here you are GP:

    Check the Goldfinger one. Sweeet.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know a guy who went to Goodwood Festival of Speed a few years back and got to the main tent and got Sir Jack Brabham to sign a race poster.

    The fucker went back two years later at picked up Dan Gurney's autograph. I was so jealous. I want to go to the UK and go there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've been thrice... Unbelievable. you really should go if you haven't

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've been to Monterrey twice and even got to drive a lap at Laguna, which was great, but not to the Concours to see the Ferraris.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    nice! look at you!!!

    I never got to drive sheeeit.

    Go next time... so awesome. They pick a car theme every year. I've been for Ferrari, Porsche I think, and I can't remember what the other one was.

  • Shady will love this:

    I think it's fake, but what do I know.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well done sir. Well done.

    She probably deserved it.

  • In reply to Shady:

  • In reply to Shady:

    stop it

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    "Cutler has always been willing to pull the trigger, especially against man-to-man coverage. He has an aggressive mindset, dating back to his days at Vanderbilt. At times that mentality produced reckless, undisciplined play, bad decisions, scattershot throws.

    "The result was Cutler rarely played with the kind of discipline that leads to week-to-week consistency. That will be put to the test under new head coach Marc Trestman.

    "Trestman preaches timing and precision, repetition and strict execution. It will be fascinating to watch Cutler in training camp. He has now played seven years in the NFL. The talent is unmistakable. The lack of consistency is agonizing. Cutler should be a top 10 quarterback every season. This might be the year."

  • In reply to Shady:

    To follow up, here's the Jaw's ESPN seg on Cutler.

    It's an interesting debate, and it reminds me of the chicken-egg argument.

    "He moves his feet too much"
    "Yeah, but he was sacked 44 times"

    "He makes bad decisions"
    "What were his options besides Marshall - Hester, Davis?"

    "He's inconsistent"
    "He's under his 4rth O.C."

    "He makes bad reads."
    "No, he's just too aggressive at times because he has a canon."

    "Bad body language."
    "Look at Peyton Manning when something goes wrong."

    I think the most damning critique Jaws gave was arguing that Cutler "Platued" and that Wilson, Luck and RG3 are ALREADY better than Cutler in their rookie year.

    Herm Edwards seems to be more on team Cutler, surprisingly. Edwards feels like I do: Cutler's got an offensive staff, some weapons, and upgraded the oline.

    I don't expect the Saints O week 1, but I DO feel like SOMETHING should click starting week 8 or so (We just gotta stay in the hunt til then).

    Kinda like that small little window when the Martz' O was clicking, and we were avg like 30. Man, that felt nice.

    I just want to see some improvement, even if incremental, and not the dreaded "plateaued" prophecy of doom.

    But as Edwards summed it up:

    "We'll see..."

  • And on that note, here's some Cutler highlights (excuse the soundtrack, like always).

  • Exactly, it's been almost impossible to evaluate a QB in Chicago because of how the unit has been constructed.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I know a lot of QBs are compared to Farvre, but I always felt like Cutler was the most like him. Canon arm, extremely aggressive, wins without perfect qb rating.

    And I just wonder at this stage in Cutler's career if he can become "consistent" and "discipline"

    Many a man tried to make Farvre "consistent" and "discipline" and it never happened in 20 + years.

    I'm just wondering if that's that right way to go with Cutler.

    And Trestman may realize, that like Farvre, Cutler will never become "consistent" and "discipline," and choose to just go another route for his team in the future.

    Obviously, Farvre showed a QB CAN win playing his style (however, to Farvre's credit, he seemed to rally his team more than Cutler, and was indestructible), but maybe Trestman just prefers a different style of play from his starting QBs.

    Cutler might be let go simply based on philosophical difference.

    IF that happens, Johnny's gonna have to cheer for Cutler in the "Factory of Sadness", ie the Browns, where Norv Turner loves gunslingers.

  • If Cutler is let go after this season I'd feel like his time was wasted in Chicago by not giving him tools and time to grow within the system.

    I won't go jump off a bridge though because at least there is a new regime that knows that you have to have a system of coherent pieces that come together for consistent success.

    If Cutler was gone then another QB would come into town and inherit the captains chair of a team that is actually trying to build an offensive identity.

    It would just suck if it wasn't Jay. He's got the talent to win now and i don't want to wait years when we don't have to. I don't want to have to rebuild around a new quarterback when we don't have to.

  • if it isn't jay, we bring in a fucking wilson, or RGIII, or kap.

    New blood my man.

    Love Jay, give it your best this year big guy... I'm pulling for you to pull it out. But if not, keep him, but it's time to get new blood in that position no matter what. If other teams can find new blood not as the first pick, so can fucking we.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    but what is your litmus test for how well you need him to do?

    Stafford just got a 53Millie extension for going 4-12 and pissing away everything within striking distance of the goal line.

    Cutler has a solid record with no weapons and now he's got some but now he somehow only gets 1year to become the second coming of NEO?

    I don't need new blood at QB. I need a solid team that can handle a new qb if need be. What do you think happens to Wilson or RG3 or Kap on our Bears team? Fucking armageddon thats what.

    I watched Wilson have 2 INT's dropped in the endzone in one of his wins and one of the worst blown calls in the history of instant replay on another win and all of a sudden he's got a 3 foot cock?


  • Mine or Chicago's yonny?

    Mine is I just want to see him do well and get us some wins that wouldn't have happened without him... like he's done before. I also want to see him lessen the silly throws and to throw the ball away just once or twice.

    net-net, my bar is WAY lower than the city of Chi's will be...

    Couple other things for me:
    1. I think our oline will still be below average, we just had so many holes and only so much money and draft picks to fix it in one year... I think that's going to give us a let down this year. I hope not, but I don't see how it wont happen. one or two key injuries and we're back to where we were over the last 5 years.

    2. no matter what happens with cutty this year, we need to pick up young studly talent for trestman and jay to start grooming. We need a guy that trestman scouts, loves, and picks so that he has his young guy waiting for the next round. Sharks always have more new teeth behind the first row baby!

  • Detroit loves the guy.

  • On the Jay thing. Jefe's third paragraph is Cutty in a nutshell. If - and it's a monumental 'IF' ..... Cutty has a center blocking worth a damn in front of him this year, then his list of excuses grows shorter. But if Garza repeats last year's performance, the offense is on the rack again, and Cutty may get another pass from me.

    Trestman's new get-the-ball-out scheme cannot workaround a faulty center. The run game needs a center. We need a center. We don't have one.

  • +600

  • Somebody, please give this Irish man a Center, already!

    I was hoping WE would get Travis Frederick in the 4rth, but good ole Jerry put an end to that when he drafted him at 31 or something.

    There were only two Cs (maybe) worth a damn this draft, and BOTH were probably overdrafted, and NEITHER, will likely start at C this year (Cooper and Frederick).

    Of course, some 6th round no name C will become a PBer in a few years, like always, but who?

    Any Cs from Rutgers get into the NFL this year?...

  • Good news: EA Sports managed to delete Aaron Hernandez from Madden 25 before it went to gold press in late July.

    So, it will be like he never existed.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    Check this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man that is stupid hot.

    Did you see Top Gear UK Season 20 started? James raced Jeremy in Episode 1. James was in Ellison's million dollar catamaran he's going to race in the bullshit America's Cup. Watching James be miserable is actually good fun.

    It was okay, Jeremy's scripted antics still make me laugh.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    love that show. so funny

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  • US crushing... honduras and belize, but at least it's a confidence builder.

    btw, our unis are fucking TURRIBLE!

  • Fucking wow. can this kid be any more of a fucking dbag? Honestly, it's painful that this shitbag has so much money and women at his beck and call.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "we're the wild kidz yo."

    Oh My Fucking God... someone please exile this little fuck to siberia.

  • Almost done.

    This one is for Rabbit.

    Cautionary tale my man... be careful out there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • Wow, after watching Cutler's 2012 highlights, I'm beginning to wonder if Cutler threw an INT when targeting Marshall.

    Cutler has supreme confidence in Marshall, and maybe that makes him more accurate (it has to - knowing exactly where your receiver is going to be SHOULD help).

    Then again, that could have lead to Cutler throwing off his invisible back pedaling bike into triple coverage.

    Cutler was INT 14 times in 2012 (He also fumbled 7 times).

    Anyone have the info who were Cutler's intended targets on those INTs?

  • To answer SC Dave:

    The Englewood and Lawndale neighborhoods, and the area surrounding Garfield Park in Chicago are in the middle of a gang war. I don't know who the gangs are.

    17 people were killed and 70 injured over the July 4th weekend in gun violence. A 5 year old kid was shot and killed day before yesterday.

    It's a war zone in those areas. It's like GTA5 come to life. So, when the Fatso from Planet Zim walks away a free man - which he will - then yeah, those neighborhoods are going to torch, because all they need is an EXCUSE to torch, and the CPD will go full war zone on the place to contain the spread and round up anybody they think is a leader.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow... ugly stuff man. Are there any answers to this stuff?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    probably not. There are things you can try, but you don't want to hear them and I don't want to write them.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nah. These areas are at war due to a power vacuum. The mandatory drug sentences and crack downs on large gang heirarchies lead to no central power on the streets. All the elders being locked up led to much younger leadership in the gangs and a propensity for violence. So people started fighting for turf again etc. Now the cartels have moved into Chicago and theyre really adding fuel to the fire. If i were the mayor of Chicago I'd tell the mafia they can have free reign as long as they put a stop to the violence on the streets.

  • El Chapo Guzman is the new Al Capone.

    He's more feared and possibly more powerful than Capone in his heyday was. The Sinaloa are a big part of the turf wars, as black neighborhoods have to accede to Mexican immigrants taking them over.

    It's pretty ugly. For all of Rockstar Games supposed balls and the "griity" nature of GTA, they wouldn't touch a race war plotline with a 10 foot pole.

  • I'll do you guys a favor that don't live in Chicago. I'll take a video camera and drive down Vincennes Ave (Halsted) from 81st to around 35th.

    IF I live to download it to a link i'll post it on this site.

    People can talk about power vacuum's drug crackdowns, cartels, etc all they want.

    These areas have entire stretches of commercial storefronts that haven't been open for 30yrs. Burned out, boarded up buildings, no real businesses, no employment opportunities, a lost generation of child mothers, teenage gangsters, fatherless children, prison, gangs, drugs, violence in the "home", few role models, two faced preachers and inept politicians.

    You can't legislate morality, you can't legislate family,you can't stop a cycle of violence and the lack of hope if you lose the ability to reach the kids by the time they hit 11.

    You should see these kids when they are 5. They smile, they play, they forgive all of the bad shit their fake ass piece of shit family members and neighborhood put them through. Then they hit 11 and the smiles fade a bit, the shine in their eyes is dimmer and the environment that they live in is starting to become apparent to them. Then they hit their teen years and all they see and experience is brutality and bullshit and drugs and violence and a kill or be killed existence. Then they're gone and they're the next 18yr old murder 1 defendant.

    I'll let you peruse this gallery of the most recent fuckheads that have been locked up. "Innocent until proven Guilty".,0,5488047.photogallery

    It's not a power vacuum. It's a void of humanity of an entire culture in Chicago.

  • Or a feeling that society has cast a group of people off and those people in turn are telling society to go fck itself.

  • And trust me Johnny- I know there is no easy solution. I used to work for VCGCB in California (Victims Compensation Fund) and I worked with first responders, DA's and victims. I've read countless police reports and have come to find that there is no easy answer. I feel the worst for the DA's. It's like theyre just shoveling sand against the tide.

  • I just can't see how it will get better in our lifetime. I could see solutions or real improvements taking 50 years+ to work itself out and even then only after some major incidents that spurred real change.

    As of right now there is no monkey wrench being thrown in to stop the vicious cycles from repeating over and over and over with the birth of every single kid who has a death sentence or a life sentence from their first step without even knowing it.

    Now i'm depressed.

  • police state... or in this case, police area. Detroit style.

    btw, erin burnett's eyes are mesmerizing.

  • Precisely Johnny. I've been thinking this very thing for some time. Fuck fifty years, this might be "unfixable". So I'm choosing to move on and seek joy for myself and my family. Trying to "fix" people who refuse to be fixed is a waste of time. Find a way to help those who seek it.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Those last three sentences seem very wise to me.


    What does it say about center? Needs to be smart and call out adjustments, yes. THey need to be good at shotgun snap. ok.

    But is that the MOST important? Brains and football smarts probably is #1. But #2 is:

    but they will need to be very good at anchoring and not giving ground against a charging NT

    and in that, Garza is shot. Shot I say good man! He's just going to be bullrushed inside and Howie's kid can't save him. So I am on the no-Garza kick this pre-season and hope that Trestman and Kromer wake up on this and do something with a trade or something in FA to get a center working with Cutty that he can trust and that will hold up under fire.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree, Garza v bueno.

    But seriously, when was the last time a team traded away a starting center? Has that ever happened in the history of the NFL?

    WRs are divas, so there's always one or two of them every season who demand a trade.

    But Cs tend to be un-greedy team captains, esp the good ones, and they simply don't jump ship.

    Even Nick Mangold, a solid C from that sinking ship that is the Jets, will stick around.

    Too bad. He's still a solid C, and the Jets definitely need the picks.

    But by the time they self-destruct, it will be mid-season, and trading and starting a C midseason - well, has that ever been done in the NFL?

    We're stuck with Garza. Maybe Ed Williams can surprise us. (cross fingers).

  • The Steelers hit the jackpot with Pouncey, didn't they?

    I agree, we even gave Kreutz a bullshit offer that, in retrospect, it's probably best that he left on the table. Because teams don't want to break continuity. That's why Garza will be there, on opening day barring injury, playing center.In his 27th season in the NFL.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Garza is the Elephant-in-the-room. If the focal point of your line is a turnstiles then your offense is effectively screwed. It appears they have put all their chips into HOPING that a man with no knees can be an effective center.

    Nothing to say we won't work around him, but that's not a healthy position to be in. With a guy like Schwenke in there we'd be talking superbowl. Now we're heading for a similar season to last.

  • NBBBBBBBB... I would love to hear your thoughts on the zimmerman trial. You out there?


  • Boys, as you know I'm a big fan of Cutler. You know why and anyone in Chicago or knows football knows why as well.

    This guy has the tools, the attitude, the confidence and the balls to strap it on every week.

    Now, as we approach training camp i'll tell you why I'm extremely confident about this season:

    1. Defensive continuity: Roach, Lach and Izzy are the only ones out. Anderson, Williams and Ellis in. All are healthy and have experience/success in the 4-3. Woot continues to step up as well. Same pro bowl corners, another year of continuity for Wright and Conte. A fully healthy Paea and Melton.

    2. TE: the addition of Black Unicorn is huge. He'll be a very stressful player in the middle of the field and could also be a very effective emergency dump off with his enormous frame and athleticism. Steve Maneri, our backup is fucking 6'8 285 and can actually catch. He's back at TE after the Chiefs tried to make him a tackle.....a fucking tackle.

    3. Our WR corps: putting Alshon, Earl Bennett and DA in a West Coast scheme is an exciting prospect. Much of Alshon's success in college was on inside breaking routes. DA has shown that he is more effective when he crosses the field. Bennett can play every position and his only weakness is that he doesn't go deep....which is not needed in this offense. Marshall will thrive in any environment since he is simply the most dominant WR the Bears have ever had.

  • Continued....

    4. Forte in the pass game: Matt Forte is a better WR in my mind than RB. He is simply too big of a matchup problem when he starts in the backfield and either motions out of runs a route from the backfield. Think about why he had success under Martz in the pass game and realize that Trestman will try to amplify that even further.

    5. The O Line: the vet additions and addition of Kromer and a coherent quick paces scheme means Jay will be sacked no more than 28 times this year. With Jay's quick release, the focus on getting the ball out of his hands and the reduction in stress that a quick paced offense puts on the individual lineman will result in less fumbles by Jay as well. Look for an increase in yards per game from the O and less penalties for false start, delay of game, etc. That means more continuity and longer more sustained drives.

    6. Jay Cutler: in multiple offensive systems with little weapons and only a schoolyard mentality, scrappy spirit and cannon for an arm we have had a solid record over the last 4 years when he is the starting QB. Putting Jay in a high caliber, systematic approach with fresh talent and more weapons means that the offense is poised for top 10 type production this year.

    Top 15 offensive production and a solid defense gets you to the playoffs....and anything can happen in the playoffs.

  • 15!?!?! She's 15!!!

    I am so fucked. I thought I had more time. shit:

  • Beer and Bacon Festival - August 3rd in Omaha.

    Am I going? Hells yes!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    the only other thing that needs to be offered is BJs. Can you ask them to add?

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  • The faith I have in Cutler is the same faith Morpeus had in Neo.

    He is the one.

  • In reply to Viva:

    There is a difference between knowing the path...and walking the path.

  • Critics talk it, Cutty walks it.

  • I wish I knew how to fly a Huey .

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    I need to learn how to hump a porn star. Hurry!

  • In reply to Viva:


  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:


  • In reply to Viva:

    ... and Roberto is minus two.

  • Guess who just joined the 21st century? I swore I wouldn't do it, but I succumbed to the wife's unyielding pressure. I am now a smart phone owner.

    I don't want to pay a single red cent, but I need advice on some good free apps to download to my iphone 4.

    Can someone (MB) help a brother out?

  • IPhone's = 20th Century.

  • In reply to Viva:

    come on Viva, dont piss on Docs parade, he finally got a smart phone! Sonofabitch, he was toting a bag phone when he was here in Dec! Hahahaha

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Nice. I know you are joking but that is funny.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    No seriously trac, this is what Doc brought to chicago:

  • In reply to Viva:

    maybe 19th

  • download Mapquest Doc, gives you voice navigation with no charges like other GPS apps do, Gas Buddy, Bears app, NFL scores, stubhub(to score your Bears tix.

  • Epic Fail, can't go wrong with that one, highly recommended

  • The Lions looking to sign Lesbian to 3 for 36.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    signed 3 for 53 extension




  • In reply to gpldan:

    you spunky asian teens and your memes


  • In reply to Shady:

    Sweet baby jebus, I hates you for introducing me to memesay.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You knew this was coming...

  • In reply to Shady:

    More importantly, my FB friends are going to hate ME now that I've been exposed to memesay.

    I can't stop!

  • In reply to Shady:

  • In reply to Shady:

    wtf was that, a squid body?


    (actually I am serious... yummy)

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • Sorry Jeff, not a fan of this update.

    1) I hear this on AM radio all the time, and its just mindless filler waiting for the season to start.

    2) "Leader of Men" is a major cliche. The only worse one is draft picks saying they have a "chip on their shoulder."

    3) The fact that Jay wasn't a leader before is about as believable as saying Jay should have played in the second half of the NFC championship game. The guy is the unquestioned leader of that offense and has been since Olin Kruetz left. The receivers all love him (which is what really matters) and other than some ridiculous story about bumping JWebb I don't hear about any issues with the O-line either.

    The whole thing is silly from top to bottom. Cutler needs to get the ball out of his hands quicker and keep the chains moving. That's the story. Write about that.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:


    thoughts on zimmerman trial please?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Haven't followed TOO closely but sounds like a heckuva a lot of reasonable doubt and some sketchy prosecution witnesses.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    That's my take exactly Al.

    Guy is a meathead, a wannabe, and a tool... and he got himself into a really dumb situation. But it turned into self defense in my mind. And all this talk of zimmerman instigating the fight looked like bs to me. Martin didn't have to punch the guy or get on top of him and beat the shit out of him.

    Following a guy and telling non-emergency what's going on isn't provoking a fight in my mind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There's no proof Martin punched Zimmerman. None.

    I'd like to know how a guy gets punched, stumbles backward to the north, and ends up over 40 feet to the south. That's Zimmerman's story and it's total BS.

    Lucky for him the prosecution sucks (except fot Mantei, but they rarely let him loose except in the hearings).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    there wasn't a single mark or bruise on martin's face or zimmerman's hands. explain that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Could be because Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 45 lbs and spent over a $1000 in the course of over a year learning to fight in a gym that teaches submission grappling, among other martial arts.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    his teacher said he was a .5 on a scale of 1-10.

    Yeah, he sounds like a real bad ass.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    There's facts, and there's shit people say. Adam Pollack is full of shit.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    "Adam Pollack is full of shit."

    So is that a fact or shit people say?

    semicolon, end parenthesis

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    Shit a dumb person named Buttsteak said. I take it back. Pollack was actually pretty straightforward on the witness stand. But his testimony has been taken out of context. On his scale of 1 to10, a 'ten' is basically a professional athlete. A zero is a guy who has never participated in any sport and is completely out-of-shape.

    As bad as it may sound that Zimmerman started at 0.5 and ended at 1 to 1.5, it's not so bad when you consider that a 10 is someone like Ray Lewis. Pollack praised Zimmerman for being "very diligent, very coachable." He said Zimmerman was a "hard worker." But he pointed out that it takes a "tremendous amount of time" to turn a physically soft person with little athletic experience into a competitor.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I consider myself an 'athlete' BS. I played fb through college, I have done more than a handful of triathlons and I workout pretty hard most days.

    I only give you that bg because I have friends who are very similar to GZ. for lack of a better term, and to save me from feeling guilty for too harsh a classification, I'll say they are soft. 'nonathletic'.

    This guy could try as hard as he wanted, the bottom line is he was and is and always will be a putz. A softie, a pussy in the common vernac. Trying to press this argument with me is silly cause I ain't going to buy it.

    I think back to my first sr. year of HS... I was 5'9" 185 and I was a fucking animal (for high school). I was ready to fight anyone and anything. Testosterone ruled my thinking and I thought I was invincible... and would act before thinking in a flash. I would rather get into a fight with me now than then by far. I have reason now (and I'm fucking old).

    My point is, no matter how you argue it, from what I've seen, heard, and experienced myself in life, martin was by far the more dangerous man.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    So you've decided based on your own personal experience with testosterone that George Zimmerman, a man you do not know, does not have the killer instinct. The skinny dead kid though, he was a dangerous man.

    You're right: "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into." - Jonathan Swift

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    ever been in a fist fight in the dark against a bigger guy who's just crushing you?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Martin was 5' 11", 158 lbs. Zimmerman was 5'8", 204 lbs.

    Who was the bigger guy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Repost from last thread:

    Not following the case too closely to be honest. I'll sit down and read about it at some point.

    Here's my very uninformed opinion. I tend to support the 2nd amendment and the idea of protecting one's home with lethal force because I tend to be fairly libertarian in my politics (I know right?)

    But if Zimmerman armed himself and went out looking for trouble, that's not self defense. I find it very hard to say that Zimmerman was defending himself if he deliberately provoked a (probably scared) innocent kid into a fight. Is that first degree murder? Probably not. But its not an innocent act either.

    In some states you have something called the felony murder rule. If a murder is committed while in the process of committing a felony, then that murder is automatically treated like first degree murder. A common example would be someone who robs a bank while armed - if they shoot someone accidentally while firing a warning shot, its still felony murder.

    Zimmerman wasn't committing a felony, but he also wasn't being smart. I heard the 911 tape and the operator actually tells him to stop following Martin. But he went looking for trouble in what was probably a combination of vigilantism, misunderstanding of the law and just general stupidity. Stupidity normally isn't a crime, but it can be when someone dies.

    Getting behind the wheel of a car after throwing back a dozen beers is stupid. Leaving a camp fire burning after everyone decides to head home early is stupid. Carrying a gun and putting yourself in a situation with that gun that you don't know how to handle is stupid. If people die because of a person's stupidity, some kind of punishment is in order.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    let me know what you think once you've taken a closer look NB. I can see how you'd think that if you haven't watched the trial. I've been playing the audio in the background while I work.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow, that was some dude, holding an iphone 2 20 feet away from his 27 inch tv in 1998.

    that guy should b banned from youtube.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was Richard Dawson in Running Man, a film allegory about the dangers of mock trials and crime and punishment as entertainment, in a Dostoevsky like rubric.

    Come on maing, I expect you to GET these things!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And here I thought "The Running Man" was just a cool dance.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I did get it...I've seen running man at least 4 times.

    I just couldn't get past the 'quality' of the video.

  • Jaws has Cutty ranked 14th in the NFL.

  • When Jay starts, Jay leads. The problem is not with him. Yeah sure, he has room for improvement but that will come as the team around him gets better. This thread story really is a non story.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think the pics of Ann Benson sum up my feelings on these broads.

    From this

    To this

    The magic of airbrushng, makueup and cosmetic surgery.

  • Sterger is a whackjob. She pulled her fake floppies out, so now she's flat chested, and moved to Hollyweird to make it in film after ESPN cut her loose.

    I read her blog, and she's a space cadet. You'll be seeing her in vids with Teen Mom soon.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    lol, i wouldn't say she's flat. I don't know if that was the right move though. If she keeps them in she can easily make a Millie a year doing photo shoots, fake sports reporting and maybe some B movie skin flicks.

    Good call on Teen Mom though. Porn? Really?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    pulling out boobie is NEVER a good idea. And it's sacrilege. turrible idea.

  • Hey the starting CB for the Pats, Dennard, just got thrown in the slam for DUI.

    Poor Bellicheat! I feel really really sorry for him.

  • Kid went with the Austin Healey. Good first car, she went for the fixer upper, kid has class.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    When I finally exit, this is the car I'm buying myself for getting my ass kicked for 7+ years:

  • Well, I think most of us got our Jay views out of our systems. So, back to trivial non-Bears filler.

    Sorta picking up from last thread (and The Running Man), what's your top 5 cheesiest action flick?

    It's tougher than it seems. Lots of candidates. But, I think mine are...

    5. Predator.

    It's so good it may not qualify as Cheesy, but an Alien coming down from another planet and hunting humans, including an elite squad of body builders lead by Mr. Universe...yeah, pretty cheesy, AND bad ass. As they said in Sunny, "by far the most muscle to mass ratio of any movie, ever."

    4. Blood Sport.

    I have a theory. Everyone loved Blood Sport, which inspired Street Fighter. Everyone addicted to Street Fighter grew up and asked, "Hey, why don't we do this foreals?" and MMA was born. Ergo, Van Damn is the reason MMA exists today. Think about that the next time you see buff oiled up men in short spandex groping each other for hours, or the next time you watch UFC.

    3. Cobra/Tango and Cash.

    Yeah, I'm cheating here a bit, but hey, I got a double feature DVD with them. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure you can get any cheesier than being on a double feature DVD for $8 bucks at Walmart. Stalone might be the king of cheesy action flicks, so picking just one of his films is nigh impossible.

    2. Roadhouse.

    Oh, come on, this HAS to be on any list. Vintage Swayze with his Lion mane going around kicking the shit out of red necks with guest appearance by Sam Elliot? There's also random 80s boobage, and spoiler alert, some dude gets his throat ripped out. I learned one of my greatest lessons from that movie, "No one wins a fight." RIP Swaze

    1. Big Trouble in Little China.

    As a kid, I must have watched this a million times to the point where my fam wondered if I was mildly retarded, so this flick has nostalgic value for me. But something about this movie always entralled me. Perhaps because I was really into Ancient Chinese folklore...or maybe I just liked to see guys floating shooting lightning from their finger tips...or as the song goes "Everybody was Kung-fu Fighting..."

  • Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon!

    (When that game kicked into Long Tall Sally, I LOL'ed)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Also, Instapoll:

    ?Quien es mas macho?

    Sam Elliot in Roadhouse or Sam Elliot in Lebowski?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Roadhouse. Kicking that dudes knee out was the cat's meow.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You're digging deep in the vault, GP!

  • fantastic list man, i'll start working on mine asap but i'll make sure not to use any of yours to keep it fresh.

    fucking nice call on Big Trouble in little china.


  • Roadhouse...

  • I strenuously and severely disagree with your use of both Predator AND BTILT (two of my favorite 'cult' movies of all time) in your list.

    How dare you sir!

    I would submit in place:
    * Commando
    * (and going to a totally different genre) C.H.U.D.

    Again, how dare you sir!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There's sooooo many MB.

    Ninja, remember Ninja? (I think there were like 6 of them). That movie made me and my cousins go to little China and buy $5 ninja stars and throw them at each other. Luckily, they weren't real ninja stars or some of us would probably be wearing eye patches.

    We would have bought the ninja swords if we had the mula.

    Or, how about Missing in Action?

    Or, Flash, ah ahh, savior of the universe, Gordon?

    Oh, soooo many fun turds out there. Being a kid in the 80s was fun. I think that's why there's so many remakes and Family Guy type shows referencing 80s childhood flicks and pop culture.

  • "my friend is dead tired"

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha...take a shot for every "snow" reference he made in Batman.

    Unbelievably, there's a part TWO of Arnold's greatest quotes.

    My fav is still "Get to the choppa!"

    Don't know why. Makes me laugh every time.

  • speaking of... saw hot tub timemachine the other night for the first time.

    So 80's awesomeness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cheapness scale:
    predator: 11
    commando: 93

    Commando in a landslide. But it *was*, after all, a parody.

  • Gosh... the 5 that I was most excited to watch over and over again were:

    - American Ninja
    - Blood Sport, Kickboxer or Lionheart
    - Road House
    - Rocky (any of 2-4)
    - Die Hard

    There are a bunch of other good ones on other folks lists, but I honestly never got into Big Trouble in Little China. The fighting was just a little bit too silly for me. Recently someone suggested I watch Kung Fu Hustle, which is a really great film. But even there, some of the sillier scenes just don't work for me.

    Rocky 1 and Rambo 1 cannot be on this list because they are too good. The ending of Rambo gets me every time... which is why the ending of Rambo 2 is just so incredibly cheesy in comparison.

    Hard to Kill gets an honorable mention, but Seagal's movies have very little staying power for me. The fighting is so formulaic they're hard to watch.

    Terminator 2 cannot be in the list as it was filmed in 1991. Jet Li's early stuff (Fist of Legend) is also too recent. Passenger 57 was good, but Snipes really came into his own as Blade, and that film was made in 1998.

    I remember watching The Matrix (1999) in the theater with a friend. We thought it was the single greatest thing we'd ever seen. In retrospect, that film really changed the martial arts genre forever. Made movies like the Bourne series possible by casting mainstream leading men in pure action roles.

  • My honorable mentions: Speed, Last Action Hero, Universal Soldier, Waterworld, Top Gun, Con Air, Cliffhanger, Willow.

    5. The Fifth Element

    4. True Lies

    3. The Rock

    2. Braveheart

    1. The Karate Kid

  • In reply to Shady:

    Karate Kid is an awesome movie. If I'm not mistaken, all of the others in your top 5 (and most of the honorable mentions as well) were made in the 90s.

  • Here's my list of another phenomenal 5 coming on the heals of Butch:

    5. Under Seige - Siggy as a demoted former Navy Seal employed as a cook on a Battleship. Tommie Lee Jones as a crazed former black ops specialist and Gary fucking Busey as Gary Busey playing a colonel or some shit.
    4. The Perfect Weapon - Jeff Speakman IS the perfect weapon..
    3. Sniper - Berenger's finest role
    2. Red Dawn - Need I say more?
    1. Not the movie itself but the fucking brilliant concept that is the Expendables 1,2 and soon to be 3.

    The concept of putting all of the major golden age action stars of the 80's and 90's in the same movie was absolutely brilliant.

    Sylvester Stallone
    Jason Statham
    Jet Li
    Dolph Lundgren
    Chuck Norris
    Terry Crews
    Randy Couture
    Liam Hemsworth
    Jean-Claude Van Damme
    Bruce Willis
    Arnold Schwarzenegger
    Steve Austin
    Mickey Rourke

    The were ballsy, they went after:
    Seagal, Charlie Sheen, martial artist Donnie Yen, Nicolas Cage, John Travolta, Antonio Banderas, etc

    Read the lunacy that was/is pre-production on the 3rd movie and tell me that these discussions with the actors and their agents wouldn't be pure fucking comedy.

    ...and I quote:

    "In March 2012 Couture said a third installment of The Expendables might begin production in late 2012, after the release of The Expendables 2.[114] In April 2012, Steven Seagal said he was offered a role in a third film.[115] In August 2012, producer Avi Lerner confirmed that Nicolas Cage had been signed for the (potential) sequel. He also said that the producers intended to bring back the series' stars (attempting to have Rourke reprise his role), had approached Clint Eastwood about a role, and had plans to pursue Harrison Ford and approach Wesley Snipes after his release from prison.[116] Stallone said, "We are thinking about different concepts—the third one is the hardest. The second is the natural progression. The third, that’s when the air gets rare. We’re thinking ambitiously about it...You now have to give audiences something they don’t expect at all—maybe even going into a different genre."[117] Also in August, however, Norris said he would not return for a sequel.[118] On August 13, 2012, Van Damme indicated that Stallone might include him in The Expendables 3 as Claude Vilain, brother of Jean Vilain.[119] On October 31, 2012, it was confirmed that Nu Image and Millennium Films were in the process of pre-selling international distribution rights for The Expendables 3.[120] On December 19, 2012, it was reported that Jackie Chan had agreed to join the sequel on the condition that he would have more than a minor role.[53] In March 2013, Stallone confirmed he was writing a script for the sequel, and that he intended for the film to be more humorous with moments of drama. Stallone also said that Seagal would not be in the film, and that he wanted to cast more young actors in their mid-20's.[121] In April 2013, Stallone announced that Patrick Hughes would direct the sequel.[122] In May 2013, Chan, Snipes, Cage, and Milla Jovovich were announced to be in advanced negotiations to join the film. Filming is scheduled to begin in August 2013.[123] In June 2013, Lionsgate announced that the film would be released on August 15, 2014.[124] In June 2013 it was reported that actor Mel Gibson was in talks to play the lead villain.[125]

    That is pure movie magic.

  • loved sniper.

    Also, this was my favorite scene in US:

    (100. %. perfect. boobies.)

    Red dawn was awesome.

    Never saw the expendables... good I take it?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    expendables was brutally badgood.

  • Loved Red Dawn. That's another one me and my cousins used to pretend we were in.

    Haven't seen the remake. Probably won't.

  • Fuck modern Hollywood and it's remakes! Unimaginative, money sucking pieces of shit. Nearly categorically.

  • Fuck modern Hollywood and it's remakes! Unimaginative, money sucking pieces of shit. Nearly categorically.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I did like the "Star Trek" remake...the second one? Not so much.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Fuck SC Dave's posts and their remakes! Almost word-for-w...wait, that was a double-post.

    Sorry, maing.
    ChicagoNow - you are the suck!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Good one, Posse. :-)

  • Speaking of Bandaras, certainly we have to consider Desperado. Although Buscemi stole that show before it even started...

    "Can I get a cleaner mug? This one's dirty."

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Fucking best. scene. ever. dave.

    And selma hayek's tits

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    1995. But a great movie.

    The 90s was a much better decade for action films in terms of quality. Arnold, Stallone, Van Damme and Seagal basically created the market in the 80s, and then Hollywood stepped in with better scripts, bigger budgets and better supporting casts to greatly reduce the cheese factor.

  • oh oh, how about escape from NY? Snake Plissken baby!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It would be pretty epic in Expendibles 3 to have the crew run into Kurt Russell's character wearing an eye patch.

    At first, they just look at each other and then Stallone says the only line possible:

    "I thought you were dead."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    love 80's kurt russell.

    BTILC is brilliant. seriously awesome.

  • I'm thinking of running with the bulls again next year:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Best pets on the planet.

  • Alright... who's wife is this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm guessing she's about 5'5 190-210-lbs.

  • yikes!

  • Can she play fullback?

  • I haven't done this in a while.

    You're welcome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sooo much airbrushing.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    so much win. So yummy. Yes please.

    bottom line dave, take away ALL of the airbrushing, and she's still lightyears away from normal chicks

  • Hey Yonny...

    You know what's more terrifying than a shark... and/or a tornado?

    ...A SHARKNADO!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Coach Ditka versus a Sharknado, who would win?

  • In reply to tobijohn:


  • In reply to MB30SD:



  • The last scene is the moneyshot:

    So rad.

  • I dont know if any of you guys ever got into this but it's probably still my fav comedy short out there

  • I honestly had never seen this before. Fucking hilarious.

  • Come on, everybody, everything's... smooth.

  • Here's my 2 pesos on the Zimmerman case (albeit, I haven't kept up on every detail).

    That dude needs to go to prison. PERIOD.

    I've been in a few fights in my days, and there is ALWAYS fear of life. You never know when you get into a fight. I was on top of a cholo once, smashing his face (he sucker punched me, so I took him down), and the whole time I was just waiting for the back of my head to get bashed by a 40 or worse by one of his homies. Luckily, dust was everywhere, so no one could really see what was going on.

    So does that give that thug a right to then pull out a gun on me because I kicked his ass? I don't think so.

    It's a slippery slope as someone else mentioned. Where does one draw the line of "eminent threat". I'm sure that guy probably FELT like he was going to die when I was on him, but all he got was a broken nose, and all I got was a shiner from the sucker punch.

    We both lived. That's how it should be.

    Zimmerman deserves to go to prison. I'm not sure for how long, but just think if that were YOUR kid who got killed in his teens. And for what? Because some guy watched too many Charles Bronson movies?

    I've always felt that their should be a Stupidity Prison where ppl hurt others because they've hurt others out of stupidity not malice. Like when someone kills someone when intoxicated. They deserve to go to prison, but not with rapist, gangsters, and murderers.

    That's where I think Zimmerman should be put. But unfortunately, we don't have those, so ass-raping prison with the Aryans for a good 5-10 years ought to make him dislike concealed weapons.

    We got rid of that from the Wild Wild West. We should learn from our forefathers.

  • proving reasonable doubt is the prosecution's burden my man... they didn't even come close to doing that. THAT is all that matters here.

    Each f our personal feelings about this (BS, yes I base it on all of my own beliefs, perceptions, and feelings... just like you base yours) don't matter. And neither should the jury's.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If the glove don't fit, you must acquit part deux?

    If the coroner seems like he's lying
    The jurors aren't a-buying?

    Those are two seperate questions MB.

    1. If he SHOULD go to prison?
    2. WILL he go to prison?

    Def yes on the former, prob no on the latter from some of the stuff I've watched and read.

    At least, not for what the prosecutors were wanting.

  • I think he has a good chance of getting man1.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Man 1 means the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't fire in self defense.

    Or at least that's what I took from the last Law and Order I watched. This is not going to end well for anyone.

  • Thanks to the internets...
    "Overview of Florida Involuntary Manslaughter Laws
    When a homicide, the killing of a human being, does not meet the legal definition of murder, Florida state laws allow a prosecutor to consider a manslaughter charge. The state establishes two types of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary. While voluntary manslaughter describes an intentional act performed during a provocation or heat of passion, involuntary manslaughter does not require an intent to kill or even an intent to perform that act resulting in the victim's death.

    To establish involuntary manslaughter, the prosecutor must show that the defendant acted with "culpable negligence." Florida statutes define culpable negligence as a disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior. The state may be able to prove involuntary manslaughter by showing the defendant's recklessness or lack of care when handling a dangerous instrument or weapon, or while engaging in a range of other activities that could lead to death if performed recklessly.

    Example: If the defendant handles a loaded gun without any knowledge of whether the gun is loaded, and he later discharges the gun into a group of people, the defendant's actions likely meet the recklessness requirement for a charge of involuntary manslaughter.
    Florida state laws also establish involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor shows that the defendant used excessive force during self-defense or the defense of another person. The prosecution and defense can look at the facts and circumstances of the killing to determine whether the defendant reasonably believed that self-defense was necessary; if not necessary, the state might proceed with an involuntary manslaughter charge."

    I can think of no better explanation of what Zimmerman should go to jail for then that. And I think the jury is going to agree.
    But at least this went to trial, regardless of the outcome. I think that's what many people are satisfied with - a trial by jury.

  • Zimmerman Jury Instructions:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Agree, MB. And that judge's "performance" today in basically berating Zimmerman for refusing to take the stand is an insult to this country's system of justice.

    What part of "THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT" does she fail to grasp.?

    It's not open to debate.

    And this , "Well, we can't prove what we charged him with so let's change the rules in the middle of the game" by the lame prosecution is a load of crap.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    If you don't like what Florida law allows, that's fine, but it's not a load of crap just because you don't like it.
    It's part of their legal code. Convicting on lesser charges isn't changing the rules in the middle of the game.

    And so we all know what we're discussing here when we talk about manslaughter under Florida code...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That sounded nasty. I basically mean to say, it's irrelevant whether it sounds lame or silly. They can do it, and in this case, they're certainly going to instruct the jury on how to do it with a relatively difficult task of proving the defendant guilty on the more serious charge.
    I think he'll get the manslaughter conviction - I'd be shocked, absolutely shocked if he's found guilty on the murder 2 charge.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's OK, MBHAP. I still think it's a load of crap.

    Plus, isn't this all being handle by the Eric Holder's Gestapo, er Justice Department because local & state officials didn't feel there was enough evidence to get a conviction?

    All that aside, that judge was WAY out of line yesterday. Obivious display of bias.

  • Went on a ride today with some friends. We went through Gary Indiana (one time murder capital of the US) What beautiful architecture in this once great city that now resembles a wasteland. Goin back to Waffles post about Halsted/Racine avenues in Chicago, I have to say Gary wins hands down the award for badlands.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Who wins in a fight?

    Gary Indiana
    Englewood (Chicago) Illinois
    Flint Michigan
    Mike Ditka

  • def. Ditka!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • Da Coach!!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Road The "A" Train (cue Duke Ellington music here) from Harlem Avenue to UIC back in the day when it was still know as CTA RAPID TRANSIT. "Halsted..Morgan...Peoria...The University of Illnois..."

    Next stop East was in the subway.

  • When I started reading Butch's action post above, Roadhouse immediately came to mind as being #1. Take your pick, but a Chuck Norris and Sly Stallone need to also be in the top 5. I would probably add Conan the Barbarian and maybe the Karate Kid. I had the major hots for Elisabeth Shue.

    Some of the other action movies I loved as a kid include The Warriors, Bad Boys, and Red Dawn.

  • Couple random thoughts:

    * I watched some of Kevin Hart's last stand up show.

    so. not. funny.

    What am I missing? Honestly, he laughed MUCH more than I did.

    Do this instead: (you look like a fuckin' monkey!)

    * Dave Chappelle is STILL awesome. see:

  • I've been a Cutler supporter over the yrs, but I am about done with that dude. He has the pocket presence of Helen Keller. Dude couldn't sense pressure in the pocket if the rushers stood in front of him and waved for 30 seconds. As big of a train wreck as Tyce and the O-line was it's not all on them...

  • In reply to Justin:

    let's see what he can do this year with a real system, coach, oc, and more than one real WR... the line is still pretty suspect.

    ... but let's give him this year with more tools.

    (Ok yonny, he's all yours)

  • In reply to Justin:

  • In reply to Shady:

    I like that one.

  • In reply to Shady:

  • In reply to Justin:

    Sense pressure? Are you fucking kidding me?

    He doesn't sense it because damn near every time he drops back, there IS PRESSURE.

    I admire the weird spelling of Tubbo's last name though. Makes me think of Tycho Brahe.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    No I am not fucking kidding you MikeBrownandyourposse. Cutler has absolutely no feel in the pocket at all. It's so obvious.. The line was garbage, but he still held on to the ball like an idiot over and over... My bad on spelling Tice correctly. I'm trying to forget that dude. He has to be the most overrated O-line coach ever.

  • In reply to Justin:

    Well, you are 50/50 right.
    It's A Posse, not yourposse.
    What is it with you and last names?

  • MB,

    Still awaiting your app recommendations. Why have you forsaken me?

    Somebody told me of an app that allows you to view the stars or constellations or some shit when you hold your phone up to the night sky. Anybody know what this is called?

  • Doc!

    Now you know how I feel. Why hath thee forsaketh me?!!

    Skymap my man... but I think it's android

    So I am an android OS guy and I hate iOS. That said, here are some that might also be in the apple store (but some of the apple guys here should be a better resource)

    * Strava (for tracking your biking)
    * Shazam - you can let it listen to a song and it will tell you who it is and give you a link to buy it in the istore
    * Out of Milk - Grocery store list checker thingy
    * Pandora - free interness music
    * Skype - for those that aren't on apple and can't use facetime
    * A flashlight of some sort (if one's not default on the iphone)
    * Cool learning apps for kids
    * and okcupid... oh wait, never mind


  • Dear Justin,

    Shut the fuck up you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Everyone that has watched a Bears game in the last 4 years.

  • Everyone from Jaworski to Miller to the fuck heads on NFL AM to Hillenmeyer to Arkush to Waddle to etc etc etc all admit that it is a fucking miracle what the Bears were able to accomplish with the lack of weapons, scheme, personnel, etc over the last couple of years.

    And you're sitting here talking about pocket presence. What imaginary fucking pocket are you talking about? The one where Clay Matthews knows he only needs to beat Webb to a certain spot on the field in order to get a sack because of the transparent bullshit vertical drop scheme that martz and tice employed instead of a quicker hitting west coast version that trestman has in mind? Or do you mean the pocket anchored by Gabe Carimi, Chilo Rachal, Webb, Spencer, Garza and Williams????? Give me a fucking break and silence yourself. Sit back, shut your fucking mouth, learn about football and then buy yourself a big #1 foam finger when Cutler has another winning record when he's the starting qb.

  • Dear 16 Million Dollar Man,

    You are a FUCKING IDIOT. Anyone who watches the Bears and who know WTF they are talking about can see he can't feel pressure. You can continue to jock him and blame it on everything else but him. Your not changing my mind and you seem balls deep into Cutler, so this conversation is going no where in a hurry.

  • The comments I read earlier about Chicago and the homicide rate among young black males makes me shake my head.
    Most of you guys are old enough to remember when it was a given fact that NYC was going to the wolves, enough so that they made more than a few movies about it. No one thought that city would survive the 80's, and now, even after the worst terror attack in US history, it's safe, thriving, and the capital of the world in every important facet of the word.
    It takes the political will, and I include the community at large in that (not just the apparatchik), but for Chicago to fix this epidemic - it's not impossible.
    Washing your hands of it should not be an option.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    dude, a 14 year old made a throat cutting gesture to me as i sat at a red light getting off at Halsted and 57 to get to my house.

    The "political will" to do what exactly?

  • Cops. Lots and lots of cops. And a no tolerance approach to just about everything.
    Spit your gum on the sidewalk? Fuck you. Time to get frisked.
    Noise complaint? Fuck you. Time to get frisked.
    Look at a tourist sideways? Fuck you. Time to get frisked.
    Controlling the gun market in the relatively enormous number of suburbs/cities around the City of Chicago would also make a huge difference.
    That brings it down real quick.

    How's the homicide rate this year look historically speaking?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I have it...

    Giuliani for Chicago Mayor!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In Chicago you would have just been accused of being a racist that is advocating profiling and shockingly the local politicians that represent the most violent areas would not defend you.

    You don't think that everyone wants a zero tolerance approach to this bullshit behavior and madness. Everyone that lives outside of these shit areas wants that and everyone that talks about it is ignored because most are white.

    what does controlling the gun market mean? Everyone here in Chicago knows exactly who has the guns and where they have them. There would be a fucking race war if the white police commissioner enacted your strategies against these minority areas.

    The homicide rate was the highest in the country last year. We had freezing ass rainysnow weather earlier this year and killings were slowed a rain delay for baseball. Now that the warm weather has come the killings have commenced with reckless abandon. 75 people were shot in one fucking weekend. The only reason why ONLY 12 people died is because of the insane talent of the trauma doctors we have at County and Christ hospitals and because gangsters are the worst shots in the world.

    I have friends who are cops in all of these areas and their stories, and the stories that are watered down, squashed and underreported would fucking blow your mind.

    I don't even think Chicago reports rape figures anymore.


  • The homicide rate in Chicago is less than half what it was in 1992, much as it is here in Hampton Roads. It's still insanely high, but it gets more press now because the homicide in other major cities (I'm not counting places like Milwaukee for obvious reasons) has dropped even faster and the media loves bloody headlines.
    However, my point was that you should take a look at NYC in the 60's, 70's, and 80's if you think it's impossible to change it. They figured it out. Chicago can too.
    And I don't think it's about guns primarily, I think it's about poverty. Poverty = violent crime.

    And when I talk about gun market, I'm referring to the fact that while Chicago has extremely strict gun laws, it takes a short drive into the suburbs to avoid sale restrictions and then resell them in the City on the black market. They aren't just showing up out of nowhere.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I believe much of the killing in Chicago is part of major drug-turf warfare.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Brownie, man makes money, money doesn't make a man.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Think about that. It is very profound. Seriously.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    On the decline in homicide rates, the Donohue - Levitt hypothesis (arguing that the availability of legalized abortion lowers crime rates) provides food for thought.

    It has, naturally, been the subject of much controversy. And I'm not here to argue its merits or flaws as my background in statistics is not strong enough to decipher parts of the exchanges between authors and critics.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's just a police state. Do you guys really want that? Canada is full of guns, but the same shit doesn't happen there to the same extent. Why? What's different? The fact that America's broke, the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer, might have something to do with it. People are pissed off. Apparently the end-point of society was for us to pool all our wealth so it could be systematically and legally stripped from us. Long live the revolution, brothers. Jim Morrison's already written the soundtrack - it should be a blast.

  • Dude. That was the perfect time to put an imaginary gun to your head and pull the trigger, letting a blank smile form below the thousand yard stare ... before pushing on the gas.

    Now, he might not get thrown by that, and you might get followed and then kneecapped, but it could have been a moment.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here are two of my solutions to help solve some of these problems. It won't happen overnight, but it might be a start. Creating a police state for everyone is not the solution, it is part of the problem.

    Solution # 1. Legalize or decriminalize all drugs. There might be a minor blip in overall drug use at first, but it will level off to normal numbers within a year or two. I'd bet my life this would halve US murder rates within 5 years, and I'm being conservative. The drug war breeds criminals, just like Prohibition. Police resources could actually go back to fulfilling their original mission, to protect and serve, solving murders and rapes and child abuse instead of wasting resources on drug addicts. Here's a video interview of an ex-Baltimore police officer that I found very informative:

    Solution #2: Empower parents regarding their children's education. Give them a choice to decide where their kids go to school. Instead of government run education, it should be gov't funded education. Give every parent a voucher for 10-12 grand for each kid and let the parents decide. This solution is so fucking obvious. Top down beauacracies suck ass. They reward and protect the stupiest among them. If schools were privately run, you would see a lot of talented people get back into teaching, and others get reinvigorated.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I think you might have sent me the wrong link, but I don't have an issue with your first premise.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here's the link MBHP. He's the head of LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition).

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I agree big time on both your points, perhaps the latter more than the former.

    I've been an advocate of legalizing and regulating most drugs since the late 1970s. And despite all the jabs, barbs, and accusations of naivety from the left, Nancy Reagan had the only sensible proposal for the "War on Drugs" - Just Say No.

    While hardly an expert, I can't think of too many instances in which
    social ills were remedied by restricting supply. So doing only serves to raise prices and levels of violence to meet demand, and the imposition of new restrictions on the liberties of law-abiding citizens of that society. The War on Drugs has been an unmitigated disaster for this country.

    Finding ways to curb demand could certainly do no worse.

    Not that I really have the answer, other than the one thing that has become so devalued in American society - *personal responsibility*.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    (saw him live and in concert last weekend in a small popular venue here in town. Awesome)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd go to a show of his. Assuming it was not excessively loud, that is. :-)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That song was irie. I bet it was a great show.

  • And I don't really consider NYC a police state, FWIW.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Police state is an exaggeration, but I have major problems with stop and frisk, along with roadblocks or "checkpoints". Both violate our civil liberties.

  • Listening to the defense closing...

    bottom line, the state has zero facts/evidence to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

    If the glove don't fit...

    right rabbit?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, they have lots of facts/evidence of a death by firearm during a physical confrontation. So they have proof of something...but with the fog of confusion over key aspects of the confrontation, I'd agree that they don't have sufficient material to prove it was murder.
    The undisputed facts of the situation point to a manslaughter conviction or acquittal on all charges. Zimmerman's credibility is the determining factor in which way that is going to go, and so his lawyers did the smart thing of keeping him off the stand - he would have been eviscerated.

    And you know why the glove didn't fit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    cause martin waited to find him, confronted him, punched him in the face, then got on top of him and started beating the shit out of him until zimmerman felt like his life was in the balance and did the only thing he felt he could do to stop that (cause he obviously couldn't stop it any other way).

    Like that?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The fact is, that's the only version of the story we're ever likely to get because they kept Zimmerman off the stand and the other person who knows what happened is dead.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You do know that George's scalp lacerations were 0.5 and 2.0 centimeters long and required no stitching, don't you? You know that there is no proof that his nose was ever broken, correct? You understand that Martin had no blood beneath his nails and no Stay-Puft DNA on his cuffs or sleeves? I could go on but I'm bored already.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Teasing : ). Totally respect your intelligence and good will MB, but you are wrong here.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    that's ok my man.

    Did yo watch both closings?

    burden of doubt my man. That's it. Prosecution didn't even come close.

    No matter what you and I think, in the law's eyes this has to be an acquittal. Will the jury do the right thing... who knows... look at OJ

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I watched most of the trial, including both closing arguments, and have no idea what the jury will do. As for reasonable doubt, there is no doubt Zimmerman put a hollow-point in Trayvon Martin's heart, and no doubt in my mind that he didn't need to.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    again, if you were him you might have felt differently right?

    As for the cuts on the back of the head... probably pretty normal when you're getting punched in the face and you're trying to resist by trying to sit up. Kinda makes common sense to me why the cuts weren't bigger.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    MB: I should have added that I don't believe Zimmerman had reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death when he pulled the trigger.

    You used the word "resisted." Zimmerman never said he struck out at Martin in any way. He resisted, allegedly, by screaming bloody murder, "squirming" off concrete, fending off blows, and finally locking a wrist and arm long enough to draw his weapon and fire a perfectly placed shot. If he could do all that, he could've poked an eye or something. ANYTHING. That's what people who are conscious and fighting for their life do, unless they're completely overpowered. There's no way a 204 pounder with a year and a half training in submission grappling couldn't do SOMETHING against a guy he outweighed by 45 pounds. Christ, he had a tactical flashlight with a strike bezel.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    In regards to fighting, I think size is over-rated. Two of the baddest motherfuckers that I grew up with were both about 5'7 and 140-150 pounds. They both fought all the time and routinely beat the shit out of guys who were over 6' tall and over 200 pounds.

  • Shark. Nado.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have got to watch that movie.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    3 separate people emailed or texted me the other day about Sharknado. This could be epic. Like Pirahna 3D. I'll wait til it's free on Starz or USA Network though.

    Posse, we need to solve the homicide problem before training camp starts. There is no room for that AND Joe Anderson updates without compromising the integrity of either position.

  • Hahaha, well, get cracking - just march GPL through town once or twice. That ought to calm things down.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Everytime I see gpldan my minds reads it as corporal dan for some reason. Then I think of Lt. Dan from Forrest Gump so basically whenever I picture GP I picture an enormous Gary Sinise.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nolte, nice.

    Girls tell me i look like Jason Giambi.....if he retired, got hooked on coke, had 2 maniac kids, never slept and ate white castle a little too much.

  • interesting pov

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    remember the Catholics vs Convicts t-shirts in the 1990s, when Miami Hurricanes and Irish reigned?

    Miami was thugville, and Ray Lewis was Exhibit A.

    All Meyer did is look at Miami, and go, "hey I bet those thugs would like some of this hot, hot Gainsville pussy on parade here." and move the recruitment north.

    He's supposed to be ashamed of Hernandez? Ha! He's looking for two more just like him.

    Football is not a game for good guys.

  • I was checking out this hot hot hottie on the train yesterday, long tall drink of water - when this big black dude steps between me and her and starts giving me the staredown.

    At first, I gave him a WTF look, but he kept at it. So finally I said, "what are you, her pimp?"

    Now this guy was big, maybe 6' and big neck tat and he looked like he'd pull something. But not on the train. So he steps forward.

    Now I'm 6'4" and about 250, so I'm not particularly interested in stepping off. I wasn't doing anything, and the girl had her back turned to me, so she wasn't being made uncomfortable by me checking her out. Also, I'm convinced they didn't know each other - this was not her boyfriend. He says "why don't you get off the train?"

    So I said, "hey Django Unchained, why don't you go fuck yourself?"

    He looked at me, and decided to back down and got off the train. But I have no qualms that in a different setting, there would have been blood. I don't know what got into the guy, why he decided to do that, but that was ugly.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dude, again, you're a fucking monster. wtf!?

    Also, dude was just looking for anything and anyone to fuck with.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've actually grown 4.5 inches since last time you saw me and am now 6'4 250 as well.

  • THat makes us both considerably bigger than Chicken Dinner.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I agree, this is America. We can covertly eye fuck whoever we want to. If you don't want to get eye molested unknowingly then wear a burka or don't be hot, your choice.

  • So you're saying I should start wearing burkas then.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yes, but cut access vents for your stick or it will get heat stroke(d).

  • goooood ideeeeeea!

  • fucking Heraldo:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's a buffoon.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here's vintage Rivera...


    Watch this short clip and realize if Urlacher makes any fucking tackles whatsoever in bounds, Wright catches a russell wilson pass right to him or if Hayden doesn't completely suck balls we aren't even talking about Cutler right now because we'd have been 11-5 and in the playoffs.

    Holy shit if anyone can defend Urlacher at this point please fucking shoot yourselves.

  • Freeze frame at 4:57.

    Now tell yourself, the guy ends up getting the first down when I hit te play button.

    Ugh. Terrible...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    mother fucker... I can't even watch that fucking shit. So fucking frustrating.

    Catch the fucking ball M. Penis... catch the fucking ball and the game is over. God damn it.

    ...and all the other badness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If he catches that ball Lovie's still coaching. That's no shit. I think we're better off with the drop.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:


  • Based on the six minutes or so of tape ..... I saw :

    1. A future HOFer in the right position on almost every play.

    2. He got duped on one play - he dived off tackle right when it was actually Lynch up the middle for a first down. On another play he probably should have closed Wilson down quicker, instead of letting him get the first down.

    3. This is Russell Wilson remember, he may be one of the greats. Some folk think the Seahawks are the best team in football now. I tend to agree.

    Question the first. If Urlacher wasn't in the picture, who would our MLB have been? The score would have looked a lot different with either Dom De Luise or Blake Suave in there .....

  • And no trips to the playofs with sub-standard teams with glaring holes please. Lombardis, not plaudits or playoff appearances.

  • Ahhhhhh to be a titans fan


    Kinda funny and actually sounds pretty good, you know... if I ate any processed grains.

  • Check this shit out:

    I'm way fucking in on this movie. Timberlake.... shitty singer, pretty damn good actor.

    I want that to be my life... you know, except the whole illegal going to jail, getting beat up, getting killed parts... but you know, all the cool/fun/awesome stuff, I'm so in.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    All that, plus Jessica Biel. I want his life, if only to shut him up when he starts to sing.

  • This is kind of interesting:

    It's an old Website, with Snowden (who is gay, like Manning, not that there is anything wrong that, etc etc) posting his old modelling pictures and soliciting feedback from the forum there.

    The reason I say it's interesting is that after this whole clusterfuck, the Senate appointed Diane Feinstein to some committee to help better filter out people the in NSA who may choose to do what he did.

    I gotta think, with Manning and now Snowden being self-appointed pretty boys, that the report singles out that lifestyle for Top Secret clearance. Maybe not, but you have the two biggest leakers, potentially in US History, and both seem have some gender identity issues.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ok, I re-read the thread, and it's more ambiguous. Yes, I know he lived in Hawaii with his "girlfriend", but that thread makes me think he's got some issues surrounding that. He does assert he's hetero though in the tread though, so I could be off base here.

  • One thing I dont think we have discussed. Edward Snowden and the fact that the NSA is collecting data on every american. Anyone care or is it all just accepted practice now?

  • I don't give a fuck... because there's nothing I can do about it. And I have nothing to hide. Realistically, has it ever been different? The more tech available, the more it will happen.

    But philosophically, it sucks and someone needs to stop these motherfuckers. Like maybe chuck norris.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rowdy Roddy Piper as NSA Operative Joe "Black Ops" Jackson in....


    Norris is a gun totin' Maxwell "2nd Amendment" Rodgers, a texas lawman and gun shop owner under seige from Obama's minions, who seek to take his freedoms away! (music)

    But what they don't know is Norris is comin' for them!

    (Cut to Norris with his big black pickup truck, flying the Don't Tread on Me flag from the antenna)


  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'd go see that movie. Mike Huckabee and Sean Hannity need to be written into the script. Huckabee can play the inspirational leader and Hannity can lead some kind of Freedom Rally. Ann Coulter can play a bitch role (herself). Here's Hannity at his finest.

  • So one thing that came up in the whole debacle, not sure if this is urban myth or not:

    the USPS has, for years, kept the scans from every letter or package it processes and did character recognition on all of it and put it in a giant database so they should track every package ever sent by anyone to anywhere else and could see patterns of mail sent.

    I think this is urban myth, but I don't know. I do know the post office scanned every letter for routing and processing, but I didn't know the scans were going into giant databases. I find that kind of fascinating. Imagine an gov. interrogator opening up with "you remember when you sent your grandma that postcard from Costa Rica in '88 and wished her happy birthday? She never got it."

    I mean, that would mind fuck them hard.

  • Better start hitting the porn sites and charging booze on your credit card. Otherwise the NSA might think you're some sort of radical Islamic zealot deferring his pleasure and planning something that will get him to the forty virgins in the afterlife. Then they'll really start looking into you. Anyway, that's my strategy...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    this sounds like excellent, well conceived advice.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Tobi, thank you for revealing the one true path.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    If you're gonna go down, go down swinging.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I thought it was 72? What a ripoff. w-w-w-.-r-e-d-t-u-b-e-.-c-o-m

  • The CIA have geodesic 'golf balls' in Ireland that 'monitor communications'. They just sit there in fields, questions were prompted and the government came straight out with it. This is public knowledge and apparently no one cares.

    Big brother is already here. Everything is owned by the 'R' families and we are just hogs on the kill floor, waiting to be harvested. Ivory towers with Mad Max on the outside.

  • have I mentioned that erin Burnett's eyes are mesmerizing?

    Seriously. Turn on CNN and watch her. I'm not talking about the rest of her (she's a 7ish in general), just her eyes.

    btw, all the regs give a little prayer for rabbit, he's in a life and death battle right now....

    ...........with a crazy chick he met on match. She's fucking cray cray and she's stalking him maingses! Good luck Rabbit!

    (I told him that I would make fun of him on the blog when he called me to keep me on the phone with him while she hunted him from the outside of his house, with nothing but a little french bulldog to protect him.)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Time to get a conceal carry permit MBHP.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    lol. you are all bastards - especially MB.

    And yes, I was ascured!

  • Holy crap MB.............Not sure why he is on Match, he has fathered the cutest little chick magnet a single guy could imagine. Throw the bulldog in and he should be exhausted. I can picture you playing the poor single dad thing with your daughter, and having outstanding results! Hahahahaha!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:


    I don't get approached a whole lot with my kids... probably because I'm so focused on them 100%.

    Maybe once they get a bit older and I don't have to helicopter them so much I can use them as hot-chick bait. Ha!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, it's not as easy as you'd think - if I was still close to home, it would help but chicks don't typically hit on guys chasing around manic 4-yr olds that like to tell their post-break-up life stories.
    The Frenchie gets winded too fast to make an impact. Ten minutes at the beach and he looks like something out of a sci-fi flick, all spittle, tongue, and ears.
    Either way, I am NOT doing the online thing any more. No freaking way.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA... awesome, the frenchie part. The other part makes me both parts sad and angry.

    Fucking chicks... jesus christ.

  • For GP... the fucking massive Sasquatch-like man.

    ...I'm not typically a Porsche guy, but that car is bad fucking ass:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, and I kind of love these.

    Hey $, if Seinfeld had been like this I would be a HUGE fan.

    Oh, and this is for Dave:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why thank you... don't mind if I do.

  • From the "BIG 'Oops' " department....

    "On Friday, an anchor for Oakland, California, station KTVU read a list of the supposed names of the pilots of the South Korean carrier on its noon broadcast after an employee apparently called the NTSB seeking to verify them.

    The names appear to mock the events of the crash. The prank names were:

    Captain Sum Ting Wong,

    Wi Tu Lo,

    Ho Lee Fuk


    Bang Ding Ow."

    The names APPEAR "to mock the events." ?????? Ya think???

    "Confirmed by NTSB Intern" or not, more than one someone at that TV station had their heads up their butts.

    Complete story at:

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    bang! bang! ... bang!

  • In reply to Shady:


    but really pretty fucking funny that people are so fucking dumb. My god the gov employs some total morons. (

    ... you know, if people hadn't died.


    If you think about it, Haslam should have been a red flag to the league from day 1. I mean, who in their right mind buys the Browns?

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