Reverend's Rant: Racist Children's TV [AUDIO]

Reverend's Rant: Racist Children's TV [AUDIO]

One of the benefits of operating this blog is sharing with you the warped brain of Reverend Dave. I asked for a rant. Said any topic was in play. And I got...any topic.

To give yourself a context for this rant, CLICK HERE AND LEARN.

I will be traveling for the next week. A little Scotland. A little Ireland. If something Bears-related breaks I will find my way to a computer and write.

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  • First.. to say I can never open the audio links on here.

  • I USED to be able to play podomatic audio, but not anymore, not since a couple of Rants ago. Now I have to go to podomatic itself and download the mp3 file. Here’s the download link:

    Depending on your browser set-up, clicking this link will either download or play the clip with an external application. Or it won’t work at all.

    Reverend, you should upload your rants to YouTube.

  • I'm literally speechless at this post. Public access racist white kids? What a country!

  • KKK cabbage patch kid...surely, there's also a KKK garbage pale kid and cards,

    "Kyle Hitler" is a popular card, I'd imagine...

  • or little, "zeek hile"

  • In reply to MB30SD: missed your calling. You should have been a garbage pale kid namer.

  • not funny man. I can do it cause I'm part of the tribe.

    Fucking anti-semite.

    (I keeed I keeeeed)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought you were Indian?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And your dog's name was Bandit.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey, I think you're an anti-semite for hating Seinfeld.

    A self hating Jew. Soooo played bwhaha

  • fuck that guy... although I really enjoy watching his comedians in cars series. MUCH funnier than fucking seinfeld.

  • A day doesn't go by without MB making a Seinfeld related comment or joke. He just doesn't realize it most of the time, NTTAWWT.

  • In reply to Shady:

    i am a product of my pop culture environment shady. sad..................................... but true.

  • damn, jersey exchange:

    Good for them.

  • Anti-Homophobe children tv?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    so Ernie is the bitch? Knew it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Smoking Bert Cutler


  • here's one for canada:

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • classy maings, really really classy

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    THIS is class:

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to Shady:

    why are you syh?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cause it's a link to the same story. I assumed you were being sarcastic and your twitter link was to something trashy. See what happens when you assume? That's why it's so important to click each and every link you post.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • I am allowing myself to post a B/R link because 1. It doesn't involve rankings or analysis and 2. Because it's satire. Enjoy.

  • In reply to Shady:

    that was pretty fucking awesome.

  • Excellent rant by the way, Rev.

  • From the previous thread (brackets mine):
    MB30SD said 11 hours, 58 minutes ago
    In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I would hate to run into her [Trayvon Martin’s friend Rachel, aka DeeDee] in a dark alley. She's fucking scary... and a moron.

    For a supposed moron, she sure held her own with Don West (one of Zimmerman’s attorney’s). The parched old fart was slamming his pen down and sputtering in frustration.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Oh, and you couldn’t have been following the trial very closely, or you surely would have commented on witness Selma Mora’s bazonga’s:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    holy boobies batman!!!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    oh common BS, that's not intelligence, that's defiance... permission to treat the witness as hostile... oh wait, it wasn't their witness.

    Maybe it's just the southern accent that makes people sound dumb (sorry if you have one). It was mostly the neck though... wow that thing is scary.

  • It's a two-parter this evening.

    1, So if Hernandez does an O.J. and walks (because his son did it) do we give him the vets minimum? Not to play football, we just tell him that Angelo's been at his girlfriend, sending her cock-shots and what-not. Let nature take her course.

    2. Of the random posters on the board, who do we suppose the Rev and Noah are?

    (Tip Jar)
    - Give a little, it can help a lot -

  • smh

  • I confess I just post as myself, and only rarely. You boys (and girls) are too witty for me to keep up with. And when Im not worked up Im not particularly interesting.

  • In reply to Reverenddave:

    nice of you to include shady RD. Very PC of you.

    here you go shady:

  • Which inspires this.

    A tipping system for the internet, whereby you can 'tip' a comment you really like and give people actual cash money depending on how much you like their comment. There are plenty of monetaried idiots out there who pay for facebook votes etc. some people have too much money - let's take it off them. Sort out the code, throw me half. NBIT - you're hired, cover my copyright. Cheers.

  • I tip my hat to your idea, good sir.

    However, the whole purpose of the internet is to get stuff for free. Music, porn, videos, etc...

  • On the soccer front from the last thread, the fifa rankings are mostly bullshit. They have a complex formula that gives greater weight to tournament games and victories/draws against teams rated higher. It is also a rolling ranking that gets updated every month and includes every match a country has played in the past 5 years. Hence, as Brazil have been pretty mediocre since the orginal Ronaldo and co. retired, they are out of the top 5.

    MB did you catch the penalties in the Spain/Italy game? They were fantastic...well until the Italian ballooned his into orbit. I too was shocked that it finished 0-0.

    I still stand that it'll be 2-0 Spain. Look out for Sergio Ramos snapping Neymar in half. He is dirty enough to do it.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:


    I did. love shootouts, but really wanted spain to take it. Once of my god friends is an italy guy, so I couldn't talk smack after the game.

    I agree it will be a 2 pt game, just not sure that the Brazilians won't score... should be a good match regardless.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    nil-nil sounds absolutely thrilling... fucking soccer.

  • In reply to Shady:

    That game in particular was gash, the 0-0 scorelines also were one of the reasons I started getting into the NFL. We don't like them that much over here either.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I prefer this sort of soccer

  • Actually, at least that game ended in a score.

  • Very good, very good. Any Python reference gets a massive thumbs up from me.

    Great finish from Socrates as well.

  • That skit cracked me up.

  • Jeff, where about in Scotland will you be travelling?

    If you make it to Edinburgh let me know and I'll buy you a drink.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    slap him in the maw for me for keeping us on this shithole for so long. then buy him a beer.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dude, you entertain me on this blog so much. Which reminds me, in one year I'll be in GA or PA, I need to drive on down to San Diego and see if you are real.

  • For you local guys you should check out Inside Bears Rookie Minicamp on Comcast Sportsnet. Kromer looks incredible coaching up the young guys on this line. He's a no nonsense coach who will tell you the blunt truth and cut you if he doesn't think you can do the job. I'm not sure how long it will take, but I'm feeling confident he can get this O-Line turned around coaching up talented rookies like Kyle Long and Jordon Mills.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I agree.

  • Blog Show tonight?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Tomorrow my friend. Tomorrow.

  • More thoughts about Hernandez. I am curious about why he seems to have been renting so many cars lately? The police impounded his Uncles silver SUV today which the media is speculating may be the perp from the double homicide drive by. Could it be that the car used to be Hernandez's? Hmmm. If so, that cat is a very diobolicle dude. Renting cars seems to be a means of distancing himself from getting fingered.

  • Best Michael Jackson cover I've ever heard.

    Actually, it's a Jackson 5 cover, but Michael WAS the Jackson 5.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I'm often curious about the whole Michael Jackson situation and I would y'alls take on it.

    Do you really think he did those sadistic things to children or it was all a publicity ploy for money?

    Plus, do you really believe the court go it right?

  • this pretty much sums it all up:

  • here you go $:

  • This is insane:

  • Hey shady, I have breakfast for you:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to Shady:



    "Rivera, appearing on Fox News, denounced the what he thinks is the NFL's gang culture and 'jungle ethos.'

    '(Hernandez's) got the gang tattoos all over him," Rivera began. "(The killing of Odin Lloyd) wasn't even in the heat of passion. It wasn't a beef over a girlfriend. What it was is, 'You have offended my macho pride. Now I'm going to, y'know, do this kind of, jungle ethos. I'm gonna to hunt you down; I'm gonna kill you. How dare you disrespect me?' I mean, so many youngsters from the inner city, from the ghetto go down that road where meaningless deaths just pile up, like in Chicago with this whole gang thing.'"


  • In reply to Shady:

    Only time I cheered for neo-nazis, when that chair hit Rivera on his snoz.

    Limbaugh is in on it too.

    I agree that the "macho" culture does doom a lot of low income youths. I've seen it with my own eyes, but arguing that the NFL cultivates a gang culture is absurd.

    So, does Kaepnick have "Jail house tats?" How about Shockey back in the day, or all those Olineman.

    No, I guess it's ok for long haired bearded corn fed linemen to be all tatted up, but god forbid a latino or african am. have the same.

    Shock Jocks. I really don't see any difference between Rivera, Limbaugh and Stern, except that Stern is ironically more honest than those dudes on their soap box.

    And in celebration of one of Stern's most famous quotes regarding gay marriage, "They have the same right to be as miserable as the rest of us."

  • This nations problems have absolutely nothing to do with who has and doesn't have prison tat's.

  • I think it should be illegal for any station to spend over 2 hours a day making "ahem", I mean reporting on the news. Trac for president. Hip hip hooray!

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shady and Butch, I think you guys would enjoy this podcast. Part one of two. It's about the senseless violence that happens to kids at Harper HS in Chicago, from some of the kids perspective.

    It's my favorite radio show. Called This American Life. Produced at WBEZ in Chicago with Ira Glass. It's a nationally syndicated Public Radio show. Throw it on while your surfing.

  • So, did any of you soccer fans catch the Italy-Uruguay match this morning?

    Man, that was a pretty awesome match, I must say. Italy was playing either lazy, tired, or listless for a lot of the match, and Uruguay took advantage with certain efficient counter attacks.

    Those were some of the best set piece goals I've seen in a while. No chance for the goalies.

    Once it hit penalties I knew it was all over (spoiler alert) for the Uruguayans. Buffon is too much of a stud. Also, I think that's the first penalty kicks where the goalie blocked more than he allowed. I can't recall an international match (placement) where that happened.

  • Smh

  • Yeah I caught it. Can't really blame Italy for playing tired - they had played 120mins against Spain the other night and it is ridiculously hot in Brazil, especially for European players.

    Great goals - Cavani is a monster, one of my favourite players.

    Buffon is a very good keeper, although the penalties that he saved were poorly placed.

    Worst nation at penalties is England and as a Scot I enjoy that fact greatly.

    You have to include on top of those in that list that they also exited Euro 2012 by losing to Italy on penalties. Pirlo won it for them with this beauty.

    Finally, while it isn't the most saves in a penalty shoot out, I take great joy in England losing to Portugal at Euro 2004. The combination of Rui Costa scoring a thunderbolt, David Beckham putting his penalty into orbit, the Portugese keeper saving the final England penalty with no gloves on and then the keeper stepped up straight after and scored the winner himself. One of my favourite footballing nights.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Not Archie Gemmill in '78, then?

  • I think it's in Scots Law that I have to like that goal. If only it was against England. Then it would be fave of all time.

  • 12 minutes to Brazil v Spain.

    My kids are napping till 4:30ish.

    Woot! Woot!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    holy fucking shit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    well then.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    exactly. so much for our prognostications.

    How shit maings... figuring out that you're better off without that cow anyway?

    (yeah, I'm expecting you to tell me you're back together, but fuck it)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah it's even worse for me cause I consider myself well versed in football. Just glad I didn't put a bet on.

    I'm getting better man, thanks for asking. Still feel a bit crap every now and again but that's expected. Probably not much chance of us getting back together either because she's been acting like a real cunt since the breakup and I have openly called her out on it. More disappointed than upset now as I thought she was better than that, but oh well. Life moves on and all that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    wow, did you see that save by that sliding Brazilian player? HTF did that NOT go in!?

  • David Luis is a bit unorthodox, but a damn good defender. Got lucky that the ball bobbled before it hit him which allowed to to go over but still a fantastic effort. That goes in I reckon Spain take over.

  • wow man. unreal outcome.NOTHING went spain's way tonight.

    I was actually happy... did you see the stat at the end of the match...

    a team that's won the Confed cup has NEVER won the next WC. I think this loss was good for Spain. Wake up call bitches.

    Either that or they just turned the corner and are going downhill now. Bound to happen at some point.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I stand by my previous statement:

    Brazil should just always be default #1

    2 point underdogs? That's absurd. Esp when Brazil was playing at home.

    I too am glad Spain got knocked down a notch.

    Next summer ought to be interesting.

  • agree on all accounts. It was bravado based on 3 years of performance.

    That home crowd was just a taaaad hostile.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    whoops, except for that silly "Brazil should just always be default #1" part.


  • You're right, it is ludicrous for Brazil to EVER be an underdog.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nah mang, this competition means nothing. Worlds and Euros, that's it.

  • Copa America is good. African Cup of Nations is always good for a laugh to see what team will freak out next. But you are right, us Euros only really care about those two comps.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Seems some country in Africa has our fucking number. Nothing personal, but fuck you, Ghana!

  • Ok, new critically important topic….

    Ice motherfucking cream.

    So every once in a while after a really hard work and kids week I reward myself with a pint of ice cream (always my sugar weakness). It’s only every 6 months or so, but I like to bust out.

    Now tonight was the second time I’ve ever had to choose a Ben & Jerry’s flavor (the convenience store I went to didn’t have anything else). I am once again heavily disappointed. Can’t remember what I had last time, but this time I had Karmel sutra. It was more chocolate ice cream than anything else, and I dislike so much chocolate in one place - yuck. I’m MUCH more a vanilla and caramel guy. 2/3 was fucking chocolate ice cream... I just ate the vanilla side and some of the chocolate.

    My favorite ice cream and flavor ever is

    Haagen dazs is the fucking bomb… B&J sucks ass maings. Never buying that garbage again.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    First world problem?

  • ahahahaha

  • yes, indeed it is my man.... but without any football in sight, would you rather talk about soccer some more?

    I take it you're not a huge fan since you don't really partake in out discussions? I get why... with the hand of gaul and all.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    A pint every six months? You're living on the edge, aren't you? I go through about a gallon every weekend. I can't remember the last time I had a serving size less than a quart. Bang for the buck, Bluebell is the way to go. But Winn-Dixie has a house brand flavor called Tropical Neapolitan which is equal portions of Pineapple, Coconut and Mango ice creams. Because when it comes to ice cream and pastries I have little self control, I now avoid that place like the plague...

  • In reply to tobijohn:


  • In reply to tobijohn:

    yeah, I'm pretty strict with my diet Tobi... most would call it psycho, but it's mostly due ot family history. I have turrible heart genetics. I've been on a statin since I was like 25.

    It's also a nice side effect that I have the body of a 10 year old indian boy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Native American Indian or Dunkin Donuts Indian? No matter, I had that same physique until my mid-twenties. I'm 6-3 and weigh a bit over 200 lbs and while nobody would say I need to lose weight, for my frame I should be closer to 190. There's a lot of heart disease in my family (both sides) but my cholesterol has always been ridiculously low, despite all the bad fats I consume. I'm lucky there because you know what I always say - a day without ice cream is like a day without sunshine. In fact, I've got a half gallon in the fridge I've got to go polish off...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I am jealous. I LOVE freaking ice cream. It's my favorite sweet thing.

    If I could eat it ever night I totally would.

    Uuuummm.. I'm also lactose intolerant so my asshole basically implodes about 1 hr after eating a full pint. That's also a little of a deterrent/help not eating it more often. Of course the mind works in mysterious ways and as soon as I forget the pain I go get my 6-month pint. TMI?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wayyy tmi, but it does explain a lot.

  • This is for MB and Canada. A video of my cousin riding a wheelie. He was the wheelie king since we were kids. He could ride a wheelie for what seemed like miles. As kids, he would fish tail his back tire when riding on loose gravel on every pedal stroke. He also built a half pipe over his parents garage, with a platform on top, in high school in the late 80's. I never had the balls to try it. He was always fat, but he can ride a bike hard all day.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Uncle Mark is one wheelie riding muthafrigger.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I have an Uncle Mark.. I need to watch this.. Are we related Fifth..?

  • He's actually my cousin Artoo. Regarding Michael Jackson from above, it's awfully strange to sleep in the same bed as little boys that are not your own kids. He was one strange dude.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    thanks corm... was funny to a dude with a gut like that bust out the wheelie. Seems like it'd get in the way of his balance.

    OH, and MJ wasn't strange, he was a fucking disgusting pedophile.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Your right, MJ was a sick dude.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    nice corm... were you the one in the heavy accent that said, "yer a maaaaster at that"

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Man, he was a spill away from becoming a Tosh.0 legend!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I didn't hang out with him much, but I used to see him riding in Zion all the time. There were more than a few times I seen him riding his bike with two broken wrists. He would "customize" the casts so he could ride. He used to do a lot of bike surfing too, so I"m sure he's had some nasty wipeouts.

  • How in the hell do 19 firefighters die fighting a wildfire outside of a town that has been evacuated?!

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I used to live in Colorado, I can answer this if you really want.

  • My feelings have changed on the Redskins name. It is obvious that this name is too painful for some Native Americans to endure. If it were my team, I'd be for changing it. I guess what I object to is the fact that if congress gets involved, they will force the change. This is a heart issue for Snyder and the league and in my book forcing the change is going too far. This is a decency and a charity issue and I believe people should be able to exercise free will when it comes to implementing charity. Otherwise, when they implement it, there is no true heart change. In my opinion, it is meaningless to force someone to be kind because when you do so, it is not charity but a legal maneuver. My heart goes out to Native American's because I have been to some of their reservations on mission trips and while there, I have observed a broken and spiritually suffering people. There is a heavy blanket of real pain that afflicts these people that is hard to explain if you haven't witnessed it first hand and I have often wondered how to help them with their condition. I'm of the firm opinion that the Gospel has all the answers but I'm also all for revisiting the transgressions this nation has committed against them if it would somehow start a much needed healing process for such a great people.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Good for you Trac. Sadly they were almost all massacred before they could share their ideas with the world - we had a lot to learn from them. Robert Pirsig (ZMM) has been writing a book about them for years, but I don't think he's ever going to publish it. If it's anything as insightful as his first two, then that's a damn shame.

  • An interesting fact about most tribes Irish is that they considered breaking their promises as an unthinkable act when it came to treaties with other Tribes and Nations. For them, a covenant was binding for life, not matter what the consequences. They were a very noble people. I'll have to check out that author.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Oh, he's wonderful Trac - only wrote two books and they're my favorites. Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance : An inquiry into morals, and Lila : An inquiry into values. He's invented a new school of thought called the Metaphysics of Quality, and when you read it (a few times) it feels like he's really onto something.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    The minute you change the name of the Redskins, I guarantee someone will say that we should change the animal names of football teams.

    That being said, I totally understand why people want us to change the name of a team that is a derogatory term for Native Americans. However, like GP just a few post below me, I really don't think there are enough Native Americans to warrant a change.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Converting those tribes to the gospel would make recovery of *their* spirituality impossible - i.e. it would destroy what they were forever.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    you mean that whole missionary/converting indigenous peoples (and killing countless numbers of them for not converting to "our god") thing was bad?????????

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What about all the babies in the worm that get snuffed because of inconvenience? Hmmm. Have you seen ultra sounds of babies in the womb right before the legal cutoff age? This debate does not scare me.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    too lazy trac.

    Here's my thing in a nutshell.

    While I understand the basis of your POV (yes, I have seen that... in my own children), there is a different.

    1. Sentience

    2. Case by case basis - Some kids who are born have a miserable fucking life. Again, you can site the tebows all you want, but those cases are not the norm... kids born to crack mothers and projects are... or worse, a rape baby.

    Net-net, I agree that some pregnancies should not be terminated, but in no way shape or form should it be a blanket law, and gov has zero right to make that decision.

    My $.02

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Free Bible lesson.

    If this is your belief system, whether you know it or not, you have set your self up as a little "god". I believe your comments fall under the context of, "judge not". Nobody knows what the true inclination of the heart is but God. Murder is murder.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    no thanks.

    No free bible lesson requested. ; )

    THAT right there trac is why people dislike 'bible thumpers"... because they believe everyone wants and should be preached to and that they want and should be 'taught' their way, because it the right and only way.

    Free reality lesson trac. ; )

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You do a pretty good lesson of thumping your own book MB. I strongly disagree and will leave it at that. Peace.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    understood trac, and you are 150% entitled to your beliefs. I believe in being a good person, being fair, being kind and giving, trying to leave this life better than I came into it... some how, some way.

    You just use an external system for this. And that's totally fine in my mind, it's when you increase and extend your morality above mine and doom me to a horrible place just because I don't believe the same things as you, well, that's when you lose me... and all of your system's credibility in my mind.

    The focus should be on the end goal... be a good person, help others when you can, leave this life better than you started. Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Oh really, and how is that?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Your god is not the "one true". No more than that of any the other arrogant monotheist multitudes that preceded, and will follow, yours.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I should never post late, as my grammar suffers so terribly.

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And you know this how? Because you've studied the Bible and understand the Hebrew and Greek text's contained within in it so well that you have a definitive comprehension of it? Study it to show yourself approved and then come back and lets talk. Your belief system is your belief system but one things for sure, whatever a man believes, he is. I believe there will come a day where I will be held accountable for every word and every deed. My conscience is clear.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Growing up in the bible belt, it's almost considered being gay if you try to argue or I guess, not believe certain parts of the bible. That being said, I'll speak my little piece on it and leave it at that.

    I understand why you believe in God. I really do. However, does it not unnerve you that pretty much everyone that doesn't know Jesus will ultimately go to hell? Regardless of their deeds and regardless of their actions.

    It bothers the hell out of me. I know the first thing you will say when I say "I can't imagine a God that knows everything, created us this way, and damns the people who never understood who he was or had a chance to know him."

    You'll say "You are putting God on your level of thinking, Erik. You can't do that. God knows everything and why it has to be this way."

    Which I'll respond, "Well, it's pretty weird how an all knowing God has rules in the bible on how to handle sins that today, we wouldn't even do on our worst enemies.

    Plus, it's weird how homophobic and sexist the bible really is. How girls cannot preach and how same sex is wrong. Why can't my wife, mother, or my daughter become a preacher and lead people closer to God?

    Is that another God rule that I'll understand if I get to heaven?"

    You'll probably say " Jesus made it easier to get to heaven. Thus, we don't have to follow those old rules anymore and all we have to do to save people is bring Jesus in their life."

    I'll say " What about my Muslim friend who became a christian but upon learning more and more about the bible.. She asked my preacher "What about my family? They never knew Jesus. Where did they go?" I think you know what he said. Above all Jesus said to follow the laws that were before him... So eating certain things, doing certain things, and killing people for their sins.. Shouldn't have left."

    Here is where you say "I know the word and I know the word is true." Or something like that.

    First off, MEN wrote the bible. Not God. When you translate anything, you lose the original and true meaning. You know how many times the bible was translated and you know how the King who started the translation implemented pagan holidays to get them to follow his religion.

    I'm sorry. I can't believe the greatest being on Earth or in the universe had to sacrifice his only child(I thought we were his kids too?) who is also him, so we can enter his Kingdom. That doesn't sound like a God with unlimited powers. That sounds like a God with limitations.

    I'm totally cool with you believing in God. I just think that whenever I hear a religious person say their "conscience" is clear or they know the "truth" it's tad stretched. Funny how the word "conscience" has "science" in it?

  • That's what bugged me the most too, Artoo. When my sis became "born again" she suddenly believed everyone, friends, family, coworkers, were going to hell, and that SHE, now bestowed with superpowers of absolute knowledge, holiness, grace and judgment, must save them.

    When I asked her, "So, you think Mother Theresa, Ghandi, etc, they're all going to hell, huh?" She replied "Yes." without any reservation, and I just lost it, and told her off. I was younger back then, so I don't do that anymore. I'm a lot more patient with "zealots," though some are far more annoying than others.

    Mormons always get surprised when I not only answer my door, but let them in and talk to them. (side note. If you need some yard work done, or your garage cleaned, Mormons are OBLIGATED to do you service. Ur welcome).

    Now my sister doesn't go around telling everyone they're going to hell and need to be saved - maybe she got it out of her system or it's just implied, but when she first "converted" it was beyond irritating.

    I remember one incident that really summed up my view on fundamentalist.

  • So, here's the little story, it might be a smidgen long, so bear with me.

    It was early in the morning, and I was at my Sis' place, when I heard the door knocking. So, I go on over, and answer it, and there I see a Latino in about his 30s, and a little Af Am boy, maybe like 8 years old. They were in white collared shirts and black tie, which must have been hell cause it was like 90 degrees out there.

    Anyhow, they don't even get to say a word, and I tell them, "hold on" and I go and tell my sister someone's waiting for her at the door. So, she goes, and when she sees them, she gives me the evil eye. But she has to be polite, right? So, she opens the screen door, and the conversation begins.

    "So, I'm just here to spread the word of Jehovah. Do you go to church?"
    "Yes, I go everyday." My sister replies.
    "Oh, great, that's a start. Which church?"
    "Calvary Chapel."
    "Oh. Well, do you read the bible?"
    "Everyday." My sister replies.
    So this sort of exchange was going on, but I can feel the tension brewing like the hot summer heat. Well, I had enough of it, and decided to amuse myself.

    "Hey, I heard you guys don't think Jesus IS God, is that true?"
    "Of course it's true. Jesus is NOT God. It says so here, in the bible."
    My Sis' skin turned red, and she quickly interjected.

    "WHERE in the Bible does it claim that. Hold on, l'll show you MY Bible."

    So we're on the porch by now, and they're rummaging through Bible verses arguing over the definition of "IS" (kinda like with Clinton), which Bible has the "correct" translation, etc etc and all the while the little kid is just looking at the birds chirp on the lines.

    I then ask, "Hey, you guys want some water or something. It's hot as hell." The man says no thanks, but the little boy was nodding his head yes, so I give him some lemonade.

    Then he turns to me, and asks, "Are you like your sister?"

    I reply, "Oh, heck no. I don't go to church nor read the bible everyday, but it doesn't matter right, cause we're both going to hell?"

    And he without blinking an eyes says, "Yes."

    And my sister just sort of gives her little sinister laugh and says, "Oh, I don't think I'M the one going to hell here."

    And I say, "Well, obviously someone here is wrong, how do we know which one it is?"

    And they both kinda look at each other, because, what are they going to answer? Go to church/temple? Read the Bible?

    I just sort of laughed and said, "Well, it was nice meeting you guys."

    The Jehovah Witness gave us pamphlets and told us about his temple or whatnot, and politely went on his way.

    My sister immediately threw those pamphlets away, and was visibly flustered.

    She then turned to me and asked, "Why did you answer the door and get me?"

    I replied. "Well, now you know howI feel."

  • Hahahahahaha

    Bang! Bang!

    Well done.

    Dueling fundamentalist propaganda! Awesome.

    Oh, and poor little brainwashed kid. That little guy should have been playing at the pool maing. Disgusting.

  • Hahah...that's who I felt bad for too, MB. He was a cool little kid. Don't think he even said a word the whole time.

    Right before I asked, 'Is Jesus God?" I gave him a little wink, and I swear we had a moment. Maybe he remembers what took place on that porch years later. Man, he must be like 18 by now.

    Maybe I should start hitting up the local temples and sort of do a 7up doc on him lol

  • *clap* clap *clap* clap

    Well fuck if that story don't sum it all up in a nutshell don't it?

  • 4ever85... great..story.

    I am keeping it saved in a word document. Forever lol

  • I believe there is a saving knowledge of Christ that free's a mans soul. Before I was blind, now I can see. Jesus offers forgiveness of sin. Period. Life is a journey Artoo. When you come to your last breath, you will have been given the opportunity to make up your own mind. If you can believe, all things are possible.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    there it is... your last line trac.

    I just feel that the belief should be in yourself, but if you need an external system, hey, whatever floats your boat and makes it work.

    see, we're not so different trac.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I don't know why I'm jumping in here, but I guess I can't help myself.

    As far as I know, I am the only person who comments on this blog and can actually read and understand biblical Hebrew. If there is anyone else on the blog who also understands Hebrew, I apologize now for making an incorrect claim to be the sole authority.

    I'm going to ignore everything but the first word, of the first verse, of the first book. The very first word in the whole thing. You figure at least that has to be logically consistent right?


    Trac's book probably translates it as "In the beginning." Some books translate it as part of the phrase "Bereishit Barah Elokim" to mean "began" as in "G-d began his creating." There are other translations as well.

    The problem is, all of the translations are wrong. There is no correct translation of the word "Bereishit" because it is a grammatical anomoly. The "B" means "in" or "in the" depending on the vowelization (vowels are not printed in the original Hebrew, they are inferred from consonants). The "reishit" means something like "start" "head" "beginning" "first" etc. But the grammatical tense of the word "reishit" does not make sense in context, a more correct word would be "Rosh" (like Rosh Hashana - beginning of the year) or "Rishon" (like Rishon L'Tzion - the "first of Zion") or even the word "Tchila" which has a different route and is more commonly used to mean "beginning." And then there is the issue of attaching the prefix "B" to the tense "reishit" - which I won't bother explaining, but which also does not make sense in context.

    Then you have the translation of the sentence. "In the beginning, G-d created the heavens and the Earth." So if I ask Trac "what did G-d create first," Trac will say "the Heavens and the Earth." But that doesn't work either. The Bible clearly says that Light was created on the first day. The "Heavens" were created on the second day. The "Earth" was created on the third day. So what happened? It is difficult to say that "In the beginning" means the first thing that G-d did. So what does it mean?

    We don't have a reliable translation for the first word in the whole darn book. Why even keep reading?

    I'm a religious guy. I believe in the divinity and infallibility of the Torah, of G-d, and of my religion, which is Judaism. But the idea that just reading the bible will answer all of your questions is silly. Studying the Torah is a huge part of my life and my faith, but it is not the whole picture.

    And for the record, there are answers to all of these questions. There are answers to the abortion debate, the question of who goes to hell, the question of "what about the non-Jews," the question of how to relate to someone without being preachy. There are answers to all of them. But its only worth the effort to type for someone who wants to listen, rather than just argue to arguments sake.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    See, that was my issue with both my Evangelical Sister and the Jehovah Witness. They were both arguing what "is" was in the new testament, and neither of them knew Ancient Greek, nor Latin! (and definitely not Aramaic).

    So how the hell could they possibly know if "Jesus IS God" if they didn't study the original texts in their original language?

    What they were doing was regurgitating what their preachers, elders, whatever, told them - local leaders who themselves most likely don't know any of those ancient languages until pretty high up, I'm guessing.

    Like I asked, which Bible, the so and so version? Which church, or temple? which Faith, the one that believe Jesus IS God or the one that doesn't, or the one that doesn't believe in Jesus at all?

    When I ask my sister HOW she chose her current church, she tries to deflect the question, "The Holy Ghost lead me to that church."

    Well, I found out what really happened, and what really happened was that some of her Evangelical coworkers caught her at a really bad time in her life when she was very vulnerable, and that was that.

    I must say for the record that I actually DO think she's a better person now, less selfish and the such, but maybe that's just part of maturing.

    Anyhow, I do like reading books on Religion. Perhaps the best one I've read is "Surpassing Wonder: The invention of the Bible and the Talmud" by Akenson.

    It's a big book, but very insightful.

  • Here's a quick summary to Surpassing Wonder with some reader reviews. I'm sure it can be found for cheaper.

  • To your point, Butch:

    In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
    - Mark Twain

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'd love to hear them, personally.

    Sheesh, sadly I'm not a very good Jew NB. As always, I'm impressed with your knowledge and intelligence.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey, MB, you'd probably enjoy that book. It covers the Jewish/Hebrew texts just as much as the Christian Scriptures while providing historical, linguistic, and political background.

    It's a must read in my book, the Good Book of Butch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, next time you are in Chicago, we are overdue for dinner. You have my email.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am all in NB. that would be great. I'd love to meet you.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Great stuff NB. My big question to you is this..

    Did God write the bible or did man write the bible?

    My second question is this..

    Stories change/get stretched over time, do you really believe that the original text stayed true over the years and was never translated before then, meaning it has always been in Hebrew?

  • I know you didn't ask Erik, but here's a non-pious man's pov.

    The bible was a book of translated spoken teachings that were (quite obviously to me) embellished to engender awe (old skool marketing at it's finest), but who's main purpose was to teach basic morality while using a bit of classic carrot/stick to get the peoples to fall into line.

    They weren't literal writings/translations by or from 'god', they were man's way of trying to teach and pass on a basic belief structure of mass morality through an entity that transcended all of our weaknesses and faults (otherwise why follow the writings?). Like a grown up version of mother goose basically.

    Just my $.02 trying to make sense of it all. Take it for what it's worth.

  • 1) The answer changes depending on which book we are talking about. The first five books were written by G-d. Specifically, when Moses was on Mount Sinai for 40 days, he didn't just get 10 commandments. He got the whole Torah (5 books of Moses), he got the explanation of what a lot of the cryptic statements mean (like "thou shalt not kill" what does kill mean?), and he got two big tablets with the ten commandments written on them as a sort of summary. The remaining books were written by prophets who were divinely inspired in what they wrote, but were writing based on prophecy rather than dictation. What the difference is between Moses and the prophets is a bit too much to include here.

    2) I believe, and there is significant objective historical evidence to back me up, that the original text remained true over the approximately 3300 years since it was first written down. There are a couple of exceptions that prove the rule, but they are very minor variations. The most well known example is that in the story of Joseph and Pharoah (in the second half of Genesis), after Joseph interprets Pharoah's dreams and Pharoah makes him a minister, Pharoah gives Joseph an Egyptian name ("Tzafnat Paneach"). That name is spelled two ways depending on what part of the world you are in (with one letter being different), but the spellings do not affect pronunciation.

    The Talmud and certain other works, on the other hand, famously have had variations over time for a number of reasons ranging from printing house errors to large scale massacre of scholars of a given generation. But those variations, rather than being covered up, are the subject of rigorous research by Rabbis over the generations.

    The Torah (first 5 books) were originally in Hebrew, though many translations exist today. The rest of the "Old" Testament was mainly originally written in Hebrew, but certain books (e.g. the book of Daniel) were written in Aramaic.

  • Here's a follow up question NBIT, do you believe in keeping ALL the commandments? Aren't there just over 600?

    If you disregard some, how do you determine which?

    Well, I don't want to turn this into "Ask a jew" thread lol but I am curious since I know Jews, but you seem to be more orthodox than the ones I know.

  • Butch, we have reached the right hard margin of this comment string, but the answer is "yes, all 613." Incidentally, there are different ways to count the commandments (some get grouped together or separated out by different codifiers), but the final tally is always 613.

    That doesn't really capture it though. Of the 613, more than 400 are inapplicable these days because we don't have a temple in Jerusalem. Plus, some are very straightforward (e.g. you should send away a mother bird before taking the eggs from her nest). Some are very complicated (e.g. keeping the Sabbath, which is only 2 commandments, but is extremely detailed).

    I agree with you that saying parts of the book are legit and parts are not is not intellectually honest. You're either all in or its just a nice tradition.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Trick question. Ditka IS god.

  • This is for you MB, a bottomless pit of titties.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    ONE black chick. ONE!
    And do you know what? Best. Looking. Chick. There.

    Danielle Nicole. How YOU doin'?

  • I can't even look at you right now.


  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Murph, I do believe this... is what heaven is like... you know, if there were such a thing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not forcing religion or anything like that on anyone but damn.. I really hope heaven is real or something close to it.

  • hahahaha... there ya go my boy!

  • Let me preface with this: I am NOT a fan of "The Reverend's Rant".

    They always struck me as a tiresome, repetitive exercise into how much profanity could be crammed into a 2 or 3 minutes.
    I haven't listened to many since the incredibly-off-the-mark "The Bears are being unfair to Olin Kruetz" rant which, in short order, was rendered laughably misguided.

    I listened to this one because it would have been unfair to post a criticism without doing so.

    I found this rant neither funny nor illuminating. It served no good purpose other than to publicize and put a smile on the faces of those espouse true racism.

    I think we would have all been better served if the Reverend had just chosen to pass on this rant instead of, in effect, helping to spread the word.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, I concur! Couldn't agree with you more.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Oh come on Al, the Rev ain't exactly spreading the gospel of hate here, let's be real my man. I thought his rant was very well done, funny, intelligent, insightful and certainly didn't put a smile on racists' faces. C'mon man, sounds like you have a bone to pick here.

  • In reply to Shady:

    such a constant contrarian.

    I agree with both of you actually. Not a huge fan of RC's rants... they're not bad, just not my thing.

    As for this one, meh... he swore a lot, but I do too.

    ok, off to catch the replay of the tour start.

    Have I mentioned that 'I heart' Phil Liggett?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Sorry, Shady, I did not find it funny, intelligent or insightful.

    Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Fair enough my friend.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I think humor is where many diverge on this blog (politics is probably 2nd).

    Everyone on here seems to like different comedies, comedians, etc. Heck, even MB and I who normallly agree on most Bears related issues, are polar opposites with Seinfeld.

    Some ppl think "Anchor Man" is the greatest comedy since "Midsummer's Night Dream," while I find it Rob Schniederish.

    That's what I've noticed at least. But, as I always love quoting Hume, "Truth is disputable, taste is not."

  • how this shit:

    Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    here's the full thing if you like him:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll check it out later. Saw the beginning, looks pretty funny. booooring over there...

  • Can't get into Anchorman, and I work in TV. A little Will Ferrell goes a long way for me. To his credit, I was surprised that I DID enjoy ELF.

    Likewise, a little Ben Stiller goes a long way for me.

    A VERY little of Adam Sandler goes a long way for me.

    Started back around THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY. People raved. I was less than enthused. Not interested in any of the HANGOVERS. GROWNUPS II? Pass.

    I'm sure it's a case of "OLD FOGEY" syndrome.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    See, even there we agree and disagree.

    Anchorman sucked. Elf was tolerable, but I always grade holiday movies on a curb.

    I probably feel the same way about Adam Sandler as you. Some of it is funny, but then he starts doing his baby talk, and I feel like pimp slapping him. His Honukua song is hilarious though.

    But, Something About Mary is freaking funny to me. One of my fav comedies in the past 20 years. Funniest movie at that time for me was Ace Ventura Pet Detective.

    But then, some ppl find that movie annoying. So who the hell knows?

  • You nailed itm 4ever85. Hannukah Song IS funny. A LOT of his SNL stuff was funny. But they were also 5-7 minutes in length. When Adam takes a skit premise and stretches it out to near 2 hours, then we have a problem.

    Maybe I disliked "...Mary" because Narcissus is in it...?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The only Adam Sandler movie I liked was Punch Drunk Love and I think most of his diehard fans hated that one. Jim Kerry never did anything for me either..

  • I believe I mentioned this before, but you have to know what you're getting into. When I go see a movie like Elf or Anchorman, I'm not expecting award winning performances I'm expecting low brow and slapstick humor.

    On a somewhat related note, I caught a Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn, Jonah Hill move this weekend, The Watch. Simple enough premise: 4 guys in suburbia create neighborhood watch group to avoid tedious family life and end up having to save the world from aliens living in a Costco warehouse.

    I'm sure you can tell from the description this isn't a movie that takes itself seriously and neither did I, but holy crap these guys have me laughing the whole way. Sometimes you just have to understand what you're about to watch, what market they're targeting, lower your expectations, get stupid and just enjoy the ride. If you can't do that, you probably shouldn't bother watching the movie in the first place.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Dude, I watch Steven Seagal movies. High Brow I am not.

    Not always at least. And I still watch Sandler, Ferrel, etc but their movies are so hit and miss. But I'm the same way - I go to movies based on moods. Sometimes I just feel like not having to think about shit, but sometimes I just can't make it through a movie. Like I tried watching "Casa de mi Padre" and I think I got through 15 mins of it, and I just turned the computer back on lol

    But I found Taledega Nights pretty funny. Maybe good comedies have more to do with the script/director than the comedian.

  • Great quote, 85

  • check out the vid at the bottom:


  • Shark Week's coming. Awesome... and terrifying.

    Wonder where that is... there's a beach in cape town that looks like that, but I don't think it is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes, shark week! One if the few events during the offseason that can almost replicate the brutal violence and predatory mentality of the NFL.

    By the way Cousteau, did you go on your deep sea adventure yet?

  • In reply to Shady:

    I haven't done sheite yet maings. Trying to wrap up two huge parts of my life in the next month. Once that's done, I am going to start living again.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ahahahahahaha love it.

  • IT Integration firms that are Native American owned have huge tax exempt status. When I lived in Colorado and was doing some dot-com financing, I would see these loans from guys like "Bill Smedley" and they would be as white as Wonder Bread. So white they would be played by Paul Giamatt in the boring film of their lives.

    And their business plan would show the tax breaks, and they were HUGE. It's much, much easier to be profitable when you don't have to pay Uncle Sam any of your profits.

    And I would wonder - so, you are a descendant of Geronimo, huh? If you skin was red you would need an Aloe bath and have 3rd degree burns. But your grandmother was 1/10th Cherokee, so here you are filing for Indian owned. Nice.

    I wanted to pack those guys in the trunk of a car and drop them off at a reservation in the Back Hills of Dakota and see how long they would last. I think about those guys on this Redskins stuff. They probably are the ones who say it's not racist, because the truth of it is that they are white.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Actually, I think you've got it backwards, GPL. I'd say the one who are the most offended aren't even 1/10th Native American. I bet the folks who are most offended are just plain 'ole white people, who are the same ones 'offended' by just about everything else.

    I think the whole thing's a moot point, the Skins will always be called the Skins. While I'm sure some Native Americans are offended, I think most are not.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    I'll back that bet.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Between the unfair tax breaks and the fact we are still paying families money from the Civil War.. It's not too hard to see why our economy sucks.

  • It's the spending R2. There is no conceivable set of tax increases that can come remotely close to meeting the obligations of the United States.

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • Nothing to do with Native Americans Artoo. That would be The Fed annually devaluing the dollar by creating money out of thin air and taking a trillion dollars a year on interest repayments on an 80 year old loan.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm pretty much on the same page as you GP. Scary isn't it?

  • If you want to know what happened in AZ, it helps to know what happened at Storm King.

    To understand what happened at Storm King you need to know why smokejumpers try to make the stand a mountain crest like this:

    And you should probably look at this:

    In those rolling foothills, full of gulches and thick brush, fire will whip around behind you and encircle you at speeds up to 30 miles per hour. Shit back there is so dry, it's like a giant tinder. And it's hard to get bearings on the steep hills and the summit is a deathtrap.

    The guys who dies were elite. They had rigorous training and it was hard to make the cut on that team. So it wasn't a bunch of desk jockeys sucking wind, there. Those guys got caught out. And, they deployed the tents and tried to ride through it - but it was too hot. They baked in those tents.

    Shame. We'll see more of this as the planet gets hotter and hotter.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Out of curiosity, just how much of this is caused by the fact that fires are not allowed to take their natural course? I remember reading some time ago that trying to control fires may not be the best approach.

    Serious question, GP, as I don't really know anything about all this.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Out of curiosity, just how much of this is caused by the fact that fires are not allowed to take their natural course? I remember reading some time ago that trying to control fires may not be the best approach.

    Serious question, GP, as I don't really know anything about all this.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Alot of it is.

    There are stories and accounts from native american legends to historical accounts in the 1800s of giant forest fires that raged through 1000s of acres.

    Now, in Colorado, those mountain passes all have expensive homes in them and brush fires get choppers on top of them and quickly get extinguished. Years of underbrush builds up and combined with searing heat and dryness, poof, up like tinder.

    The services have gotten wise to thise and now you see controlled fires and burn-offs throughout the west. The Colorado Parker fire was a controlled fire that got away from them.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They do prescribed burns here in the local forest preserve. I'm glad to know it's more common than that. Seems sensible enough.

  • Well lets see whats up in the right hand corner of my screen. Oh sweet! It's going to be 110 today and then 111 tomorrow with a chance of thunderstorms. Oy!

  • 110 degrees in Sacramento, CA.



  • In reply to gpldan:

    Did i mention I have a sunburn from being on the river all day yesterday. This is going to be brutal.

  • On the Reverand's Rant.. This group could have gone on a free cruise, paid by Jeff himself, and somehow you all would still bitch about it lol

    I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, I just find it funny how you criticize the site you love. It's like if we won the Superbowl, you all would complain about something..

  • fuck you man!

  • "Stupid Super Bowl wasnt even played in the snow. It's like we didnt even win"

  • I think of the rev's Rants like Science Friday. I love Talk of The Nation but every friday they try and do a little something different with Sci Fri. and I'm not a fan. So i change the station for an hour or two but I still love TOTN. What's that? It's been canceled? Oh screw it!

  • Artoo -

    I wish to file a complaint about your complaint that we complain too much, you see.

  • And while on Rob Schneider, I was watching a Steven Seagal flick yesterday, and then I remembered that my bro-in-law told me that Seagal trained Anderson Silva a bit, so I youtubed that vid, and then that lead to the whole debate about whether Seagal is foreals, or a charloton.

    To be honest, I still don't know. He's like an 8th degree blackbelt in Aikido, but then everyone counters, "Aikido doesn't work in real life, that's why no MMA fighter uses it," Which in turn is rebutted with, "Of course Aikido can't be used in MMA because there would be a lot of broken bones and the fights would be over in a few seconds."

    So, random two part question:

    1. Is Steven Seagal a bad ass, or a poser?

    2. Is Aikido a real martial arts one can actually use in a fight, or Tai Chi?

  • Oh, and here's the Rob Schnieder story about Sensai Seagal...

  • 1. Bad ass douche bag.

    2. Yes real, just not for sport

    3. From above. Enjoy:

  • Seagal comes with all kinds of "Sexual Absuer" accusations.
    From ex-wife, Kelly LeBrock to former female emlpoyees.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Casting couch Seagal.

  • I don't think anyone could question his credentials in aikido. Absolutely good stuff to know in a fight as you completely control your opponent, even if they outweigh you.

    He's a gigantic douchebag though and full of ego for one who professes to be a master of the martial arts. Bruce had an ego too, but he was respectful of others.

  • 1. The douchbag was not debated. Everyone unanimously agrees, that Seagal is a douchayne. Now that he's a deity, maybe he'll be the deity of douches everywhere.

    2. Yeah, that's what Aikodokans were arguing. That what Seagal does works, but it can't be used as a sport.

    I found the whole "if Aikido works, mma fighters would use it" debate very interesting (a sub-debate was how MMA bastardized martial arts).

  • Siggy's moves worked against the everyday man in his movies. I'd be willing to bet that if you tried to throwdown with that fat fuck he's snap your wrist like a twig and throw you through an enormous glass window that was there for no reason.

    Joint manipulation, different throws and locks are fucking no joke.

    Think "camel clutch" but fo realz.

  • +at least 1. If you have not felt what a little thumb lock can do, get one demonstrated on you.

    You won't wonder if the shit is for real any more.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    On Aikido:

    1) I'm not a big MMA watcher, but my understanding is that small joint manipulation (fingers, toes, etc.) is against the rules due to the high likelihood of accidentally injuring one's opponent. Large joint locks (wrists, ankles, arms) are allowed and are used all the time in MMA. So the notion that grappling and throwing techniques are not used in MMA is silly.

    2) I've often thought that people who claim "MMA" is the best fighting style (see Joe Rogen for example) don't have a broad enough definition of fighting. For example, MMA does not incorporate any weapons or weapons defense. Police officers are given a fair amount of combat training and a big part of that training focuses on preventing the opponent from stealing your gun while you try to hit him. MMA is also designed for one on one fights where the objective is to subdue or knock out one's opponent wherever and however possible. Police are taught to use minimal force so that injury (and lawsuits) are minimized. Police are also taught techniques for subduing a person in a way that makes them transportable - for example by applying a standing wrist lock to force a person to comply when you escort them out of a crowded space - these techniques are not applicable in MMA. So the notion that any "good" techniques would be incorporated into MMA is a bit misguided.

    3) Most of what you see Steven Seagal do in his movies is not Aikido. He does a lot of striking (which is really just boxing), a lot of weapons tricks (swords, sticks, etc.) and a lot of stuntman stuff (going for a dramatic windup while the dazed opponent looks pathetic and doesn't even try to block). The Aikido stuff Seagal does is generally a fairly small number of very explosive throws that look effortless by a good practitioner.

    4) Those explosive throws are legitimate. A true Aikido master can make an inexperienced fighter very unhappy without expending a lot of energy, and can also manage a small group of attackers simultaneously. Most of the techniques deflect an attacker away from the master and throw him to the ground by using his momentum together with some form of joint manipulation to throw off the attacker's balance. But a skilled opponent will understand how to keep his balance, making the throws harder to apply. A skilled opponent will also protect himself from being grabbed, making the joint techniques harder as well.

    5) In MMA, everyone is very skilled and generally don't lunge in with a haymaker the way the opponents in Aikido videos do. If you are able to apply a throw to an opponent, you don't want to throw him to the ground away from you, you want to get on top of him immediately. That's one reason you don't see as many Aikido throws. Aikido throws keep the master upright so he can deal with another attacker. MMA throws take both fighters to the ground, with the master in a superior position when they get there. That's issue #1. Issue #2, as I said, is that a lot of the small joint techniques are simply not allowed, so the Aikido practioner loses a big part of his arsenal.

    6) As to Seagal himself, I believe that he has legitimately earned a black belt in Aikido, which makes him a much better fighter than the average American commenting on this blog. In his old age he has gotten out of shape, but that doesn't mean he still can't hold his own when it counts. However, there are plenty of black belts who do not have any real practical skill in real life combat. They might be better than a drunk guy in a bar, but they would get beaten consistently by any amateur boxer or wrestler that is used to engaging in true combat.

    7) I've spoken to some martial artists in California who are fairly connected in the biz. The general consensus is that Seagal is a legitimate martial artist, but nothing close to world class. His greatest skill is marketing, and that's why he did well in his dojo in California and why he did well in film.

    8) I imagine Anderson Silva wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over fighting Seagal. But Seagal does have knowledge to impart. He has had success legitimately helping to train police officers and I'm sure he has some good things he could tell a guy like Silva as well. Still, I'm sure Silva had a lot of other guys helping him out as well if he wants to be competitive at the level he is.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    and you sir? You are obviously interested and plugged in...

    I tried Krav Maga for a few weeks but kind of didn't like it much, but that's just me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not any more. I did martial arts as a kid, never put in the time to be great at it.

    When I was in college I worked in law enforcement (and corrections). It was very rewarding work... plus I learned how some "management of aggressive behavior" techniques. Some of the guys who teach those classes are the real thing.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    very cool.

  • Speaking of douchebags and Rob Schneider, you should definitely check out South Park's "The Biggest Douche in the Universe" episode starring Rob Schneider. Derp.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Rob Schneider in "The Stapler" derp de derp da derpi di derp

    Rated PG-13

  • hahahaha

  • Has anyone seen "This Is The End" yet? Looks high-larious.

  • In reply to Shady:

    no, but wanna see the ballcap I just bought... that's going to become my favorite ballcap of them all (and I have a badass old skool pads one)


    Bang! Bang!

    Lubin' the motherfuckin' deals bitches!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to Shady:

    I've heard good things. Will be seeing it on Wednesday and I'll report back.

  • As for Seagal- I recently saw a thing on Bruce Lee (btw did anyone know that Al Bundy is a serious fight nerd trained by the Gracies?) and to a man everyone said that Bruce would never consider joining MMA. He thought fighting was just that, fighting. And when you made rules and awarded points it is no longer a fight. Side note, his favorite move was a straight handed eye jab or eye jab intercept, which I always think is briliant. Ive been accused of fighting dirty before but I say there is no such thing.

  • So you come from the Three Stooges Dojo?

    Yeah, I was reading some Bruce Lee discussions too. Same ole argument, how Lee was an actor-fighter, not a fighter-actor.

    Then the even older debate about whether who would win, Lee or Norris, and many in the Norris camp cited this interview where Norris politely implies that HE was a professional fighter, and Bruce was merely an actor who knew some moves.

    However, Lee got into street death matches over in China, which was one of the reasons he immigrated to the U.S. Kicking too much ass, and all the local thugs wanted to kill his ass.

    And on that note, I came across these Bruce Lee old clips which are pretty cool.

    Fastest Kick in the World

    And random Bruce Lee silliness

  • Anyone who thinks Bruce was an actor first doesn't know anything about Bruce Lee. Bruce was in fights on a regular basis, normally in or around the set, from random challengers who thought they were hard. He had people come to his house. All encounters went to Bruce.

    The Chuck Norris thing has always astounded me. I use to buy all the Inside Karate and Inside Kung-Fu mags when I was growing up - Chuck Norris was a pitsy-patsy semi-contact fighter who won the worlds a bunch of times scoring points like in amateur boxing. Sifu Lee would have quickly taken him apart.
    "Be like water my friend."


    you put wahtah into a cup... it becomes the cup.

  • ahhh yes, the mythical straight handed eye jab intercept

    straight handed eye jab or eye jab intercept: (@ :51)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahahaha... brilliant (or twisted) minds $

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    @.44 Brilliant! Double Slap. Rick James would be proud.

    I read that Moe actually developed calluses on his hands from all the pimp slaps.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Also, I want to line up Angelo, Tice and Turner and pothumously dilver one those slaps @ 3:00

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    lol. Hey those Jews know how to fight!

  • Oh yeah. Another thing you get with 110 degree weather. This-

  • Cor I can't wheelie for shit but I liked the video. Esp cool since Uncle Mark is not exactly Charles Atlas. Here's one I think you and MB will like.

    Also, when you guys were discussing comedy being subjective, I thought of this.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, did you see fucking sagan get nipped today. He left about .15 seconds too late.

    I call bullshit on that btw... where's the outside view.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh and gilbert godfried.... hilarious

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was really close. The Grand Tours have been doing this forever so I've got to believe they got it right. + they have sensors on the bikes. I really like Sagan but Gerrans seems like a good guy too. Sagan is definitely lighter this year so he might do better in the overall than people think. I'm sure he will win the Green Jersey unless he gets injured.

    TTT today was really fast. If you haven't seen it I won't spoil it for you. At one point one of the top teams was riding along the waterfront in Nice with a slight tailwind and Paul said they were going almost 45 MPH.

    That stupid Jack Russel Terrier just about lost his life a couple of days ago. I was watching it live and about jumped out of my seat. I've had dogs or cats my whole life (dogs now) but I'll never understand why dumb asses would take a dog to a bike race. And then to top off the stupidity, not have it on a leash.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yep. watching it in 30 minutes, cain't wait (I've scheduled my meetings around it today). Surfed this morning for the first time in 8 months.

    Yeah, I saw that. I had a JRT when I was in high school. Amazing dogs maings. So so smart and FULL of piss. I laughed when I saw that whole thing. Classic that it was a JRT.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Glad you sneaked in some surfing. That had to put a smile on your face. Don't get wrong, I like JRT although they are a little too "peppy" for me. My issue is with the owner not having it on a leash. I always say you have to be smarter than the dog to train it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    agree with you.

    Thanks canada... honestly, I hadn't been out in 8 months!!! The divorce has really taken its toll unfortunately.

    Anyway, it's one of the things I do best in life and I abjectly SUCKED today. I litterally had trouble catching a single wave. It was a bit scary. The fact is that next session I'll be fine, but it was like I forgot how to catch waves. it was a little surreal. Orica and Gerrans had a good day after that bus debacle .

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    agree with you.

    Thanks canada... honestly, I hadn't been out in 8 months!!! The divorce has really taken its toll unfortunately.

    Anyway, it's one of the things I do best in life and I abjectly SUCKED today. I litterally had trouble catching a single wave. It was a bit scary. The fact is that next session I'll be fine, but it was like I forgot how to catch waves. it was a little surreal. Orica and Gerrans had a good day after that bus debacle huh.


    So. Fucking. Funny.

  • Okay, so it's Mayer, sorry, but news is thin on the ground

    Shabba remains a Cutty favorite.

    DJ Williams is the Mike.

    Garza will start this season at center. Webb will probably start at RT. This is not good.

    The Bears had the second most defensive TDs ever last season?

  • Wow... glad I read it rather than wasted an hour listening to it :)

  • You guys should also check out the recent videos link on the right side of the page. There are clips from the Rookie Minicamp series I was talking about earlier. Trestman seems like your friendly Pop Warner coach, Kromer seems like your ass kicker coach and DeCamillis seems like your douchebag coach. Still haven't seen any videos of Mel Tucker yet, maybe I missed it. Pretty good stuff though, almost seems like a Hard Knocks series for the Bears.

  • In reply to Shady:

    part 3 g$

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yep there it is. Don't know what to say about him yet. Something worries me about the defense this year though, I'm just hoping the offense can FINALLY pick up the slack.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I liked him... trying to be nice to the noobs, but you can see and feel the explosion simmering just below the somewhat calm surface.

    Whatever the outcome, this should be a very interesting year. I wouldn't be surprised if we went 13-3.... or 6-10. We'll see.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I just keep thinking about how terrible that Jaguars defense was last year. I know he had personnel and injury excuses, but doesn't every team?

  • In reply to Shady:

    no. we're talking about the jags maings. No briggsy, not timmy j or the peanut, no chris cont....

    BAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAA... sorry I just couldn't finish that joke. Just couldn't

  • In reply to Shady:

    They also had Gabbert throwing the rock and an injured MJD. No offense -> shit defense.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Bears haven't had an offense in years, but the defense has been consistently good so I'm not sure I agree with that. It seems most teams do one (offense or defense) well and the other not so well. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems that way for most teams.

  • Garza will start this season at center. Webb will probably start at RT. This is not good.

    Oez Noez!

    Garza? No. No no no no no no no no.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You know, I'm really not that worried about the RT position.

    My instincts tell me that the light has finally gone off for Webb after getting busted for pot. He actually sounded contrite, and I'm sure this Hernandez travesty has opened a lot of eyes from some who were maybe on the maturity bubble.

    With Webb, it was always an attitude issue, so if the light truly went on, shit, he might even be able to play LT (though not this year).

    I also have confidence that Scott can do a servicable job at RT. IMO, he was waaaaay better than Carimi last year there.

    I also have supreme confidence Jordan Mills, the rookie, who would only start at RT if some injuries happened by mid-season or so.

    Gotta remember too, Brown was originally an OT, so he knows how to play RT and has a year under his belt.

    What I'm more worried about is LT and OG.

    To be honest, I'm not completely sold on Bushrod. He's got the right attitude, and knows the system, but those money ball assessments of him showing he was little better than bad Webb last year give me pause. Drew Brees makes his Oline look much better than it probably is.

    OG worries me too. Kyle Long hasn't been playing football all that long, yet alone OG, and who's our other OG, Britton, Brown (who also just learned OG last year), rookie Mills (who never played OG)?

    Matt Slauson is still available in FA, and I would have felt much more comfortable with him at RG, but I understand Kromer and gang wanting to get younger guys to develop.

    At center...well, Garza is Garza...that C student who you know will turn in his homework, just won't dazzle anyone with his acumen. Plus, there weren't many options at C for us this year anyways. No stud C was available in FA, and drafting a 4rth or later rook and starting him right away is always a risky venture, so we're just stuck with Garza for one more year.

    Who knows, maybe he'll finally become a true C this year as opposed to an OG filling in for C.

  • Who knows, maybe he'll finally become a true C this year as opposed to an OG filling in for C.

    If you have last year's games on Tivo, I'm sure you can find at least 40 plays where Garza was bull rushed and pushed down like a toddler in the way of a 400lb hefty momma on her way to the buffet at Cracker Barrel.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    mmmmmmmmm... the cracker barrel.

    (btw, is that a racist name?)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Keep hope alive, GP!

    Don't forget Garza's offsides, which I still don't get how it's humanly possible to be offsides when you're the center.

    Almost makes me yearn for the days when Kreutz-Grossman could exchange a snap.

  • didn't he have like 5 or 6 last year. abjectly baffling.

  • *couldn't

    Baffling, like what lies outside of the the heck can a center be offsides!?

  • I don't think he was offside. I think those were illegal motion/false start, which is different. He must do some wiggle of the ball that they like to call against him.

    Centers move the ball all the time before the snap so I was never quite sure why they were after Garza so much.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    But don't they call those "illegal motion" penalties? (when an olinemen is trying to draw the d offsides?)

    I could have sworn they were labeled offsides, but maybe I'm splitting hairs here.

    It could also be that at OG, those little shifts aren't called as much, but at OC the refs are more militant about it, which Garza had to learn.


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    they were 100% offsides calls. I remember thinking, "how in thee fuck is that even possible... is he capable of bending the fucking fabric of time?!?!?"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Cracker Barrel has a buffet? I'm there man....

  • The point is we've done as much as can be done in one off-season. We brought in a high draft pick, a low draft pick, a big money FA, and a vet minimum FA. We have bench guys who need to step up or get cut. We have a couple of vets who will provide leadership... until someone younger provides leadership and they have to compete to keep their spots.

    Any more new faces and we're going to get worse by not allowing guys the reps they need to develop.

    Plus, Kromer has a reputation for making mid-round draft picks into starters. And Trestman will get the ball out quick enough that Cutler can do what Brees does (or at least come close).

    We've done everything we can to get better this off-season. All we can do now is let the players play.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Yeah, I agree NBIT.

    That's why I mentioned Garza last. Not much we could've done to improve C.

    OGs? Well, that's very debatable since Long is a very rough project, and passing on Moore for Slauson (Slauson is slated to start at RG) is more of a philosophical, and maybe economical difference.

    We all know how the LT search went down, and RT improved.

    I think Emery-Kromer improved our Oline as much as humanly possible without selling the farm (future picks + absurd contracts + crazy trades), but I still have my reservations; like many here, I'm just tired of our Oline always SUPPOSEDLY improving for (fill in reason here), and always looking like dog shit, while Cutler is dodging 300 pound angry men like a matador.

  • I'm hoping Bushrod steps up and has the effect on our line that a new #1 pitcher has on a baseball team. The old #1 wasn't top level, but he was better than the average #2. The #2 wasn't top level, but he was better than the average #3. Etc. etc.

    Webb was a below average left tackle. But he might be a solid guy to put on the right side.

  • Football in July you say? Preposterous you say?

    You're welcome:

  • hahaha. How timely.

  • LMAO

    "I am hoping that I can be known as a great writer and actor some day, rather than a sex symbol."

    Me too! I'm tired of women objectifying me. Love me for my mind, ladies, sheesh.

  • That article didn't even reference him beating up Weird Science gal, or his claim that the Dali Lama made him a deity!

    And I'm sure there's tons of others stuff we haven't even heard about.

    And in honor of Larry David's Bday:

    "It's not a lie if you believe it." - George Constanza

  • Leguizamo tells a great Seagal story on Q.

  • I don't get Leguizamo. never found ANY of his stuff funny.

    just. don't. get. it.


    "Speaks four languages fluently (I'm unable to find any evidence of him speaking anything other than English made entirely of lies)"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    read Chad Mummert's comment in the comment section. hilarious (and his follow up)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seagal, 7th Dan. Make of this demonstration what you will.

  • I'm pretty much doing this to him:

  • In fairness to the guy, I think he does actually speak Japanese pretty well.

    As for 4 languages... depending on how you count I speak anywhere from 1 to 4. I'm only really truly fluent in English. But I have some functional Spanish and Hebrew (plus I understand biblical Hebrew, which isn't really spoken), plus I have some Yiddish as well.

    A guy who gets around as much as Seagal does... maybe he has some Spanish as well. Don't know what the 4th would be.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    oy gevalt bubbala

  • He's always been a complete ass. One good movie (Under Siege) and countless terrible ones. I don't doubt he could take me out but there's an extremely long line for that honor. However, if you put him up against a fast guy that knows what he's doing, he'd be fucked. His "action" scenes now are at least as slow as Chuck Norris'. His kicks are telegraphed so bad that even I could avoid them.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The SNL cast or maybe it was just Jason Sudakis was asked who was the biggest douche of an SNL guest of all time, and without missing a beat, he said Steven Seagal.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh and of course he's helped Anderson Silva, Bones Jones etc all reach greatness. lol lol

  • that guy is such a fucking clown. My god, what a fucking tool.

  • God I hope this is a joke:

  • is this so funny because he's french?

    (PSA, please don't scare someone while they are cutting meat on an industrial slicer)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Reminds me of this shit:

    I would probably freak out and punch that poor girl.

  • In reply to Shady:

    like this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Dafuq was that shit? My link was much better...

  • In reply to Shady:

    the cat thing... that show is on comedy central between stewart and tosh. she sucks, but that skit was kinda sorta funny.

    Did you watch this guy:

    "you look like a fucking monkey!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That goofy bastard ain't bad, but the Brazillian elevator pranks were mo funny.

  • In reply to Shady:

    pleazor... pleazor.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    She's not hot, but in that catwoman outfit... she kinda is.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    see shady! SEE!

  • Wow, just read above. I'm amazed to see how a few responses elicited so many emotions and passionate posts. lol. NB, blessed is the man that has understanding.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Thank you Trac. Keep in mind I'm not knocking you or what you believe. Your religion has apparently gotten you to seriously improve your own life, so at a minimum you've got that going for you. But I do try to raise the level of discourse on the subject when I can.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    This place is like our own little interfaith council.



  • smh

  • Brooks is an idiot. But if Divins doesn't want to press charges, I don't believe the prosecutors should go forward.

    First of all, an uncooperative witness makes for a lousy case. Second of all, if the victim wants to move on and avoid the media circus, why not respect the guy's wishes?

    If I'm the state's attorney, I ask for a meeting with Divens. I offer to talk to Harbaugh about how to make things smooth for benefit of the team. I offer to basically keep Divens out of the process until trial. I offer to request a trial date in February or March when players aren't doing anything important. I stress the importance of prosecuting Brooks to send a message about drunk driving, players not being above the law, and consequences for bad decisions. I offer to work with Divens's publicist to avoid any bad press.

    But if Divens so no. I walk away. Too many other cases on the docket to worry about this one.

  • New York is getting its own Domain .nyc?

    Chicago needs .chi. Why can't we have .chi?

    Jeff could be: http://blog.bears.chi

    Then we could tell to fuck off with that lame ass .com address! Ha ha!

  • So let me get this right...

    Egyptians are upset with their democratically elected president because he ran on a campaign of lies? Hmmm...

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shocking, I know. Kinda like how I worked hard to elect this guy who then became another corporate puppet. And that guy went on to become president of the united states. See kids. You too can drive change and unwittingly help make your country less free and more unequal. God bless democracy!

  • In reply to Shady:

    Their new to this whole "democracy" game. Give them a few hundred years before the plutocracy sets in.

  • Haha...this is a weird thread, even for our standards: kkk cabbage patch dolls, Seagal, MMA, three stooges, religion...

    I'll combine three stooges slap with mma...I'm Rick James, biaatch!

  • I may not be chiming in, but it's been hella fun to read.

  • It's the deadest time of the year for the NFL. We are a diverse bunch, to say the least. The only things we all have in common are the Bears and our dislike of Steven Seagal.

    At least I'm a bike junkie so that helps to get through May-July (Tours of Italy and France). I'm also a Cubs fan but they are usually out of it by the middle of May. Some people think it's hard to be a Bears fan. After being a Cubs fan, cheering for other sports franchises is a walk in the park. Like I always tell people, "Anyone can have a bad century".

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Dislike for Steven Segal?! I love this blog! I must read up. I hated that guy. He was always on TNT or USA. Growing up in the South, everyone loved Chuck Norris.. I can't tell you how tired I am of the Chuck Norris jokes..

    Bruce Lee has always been one of my favorite people that I would love to read up on. Anyone have a good books on him?

    In that whole list that 4ever85 lists.. I don't see boobies.. which is impossible with MB on this blog. NTTAWWT

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    As an Oakland A's fan I have to say last nights Cubs game was one of the best games I've watched this year. Hopefully tonights game is just as fun.

  • Unless the Cubs' starter goes 8 or 9 innings it's almost a guarantee to happen again. Gregg has stopped the bleeding in the 9th (he is 13/14 in save ops) but the rest of the pen is 5/21 in save ops. Garza will probably be out of the game by the 7th due to a high pitch count so you should be happy again at the end.

  • This is the End was pretty good. As long as you don't mind dick jokes. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    MB LOVES dick jokes.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to Shady:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is this how you were as a kid? Obviously more ripped, of course.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAhahahahaha! Fucking awesome. I never saw that movie all the way through, but I'm going to fathom a guess that that was one of the best scenes in the movie.

    And no corm, this is me as a child:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That kid was ripped, but he looks a little young to be body building.

  • "This is the End" reminds of all of the stupid shit I did in high school with my friends. Which brings me to my next life question on this blog..

    Did any of you have that one or three friends that you grew up with that you can't stand now because they can't grow up or seem stuck in like party mode?

    I decided to not use names but their favorite teams..

    Eagles- This guy was the smart one in the group but we assumed he was smart because he had a very high GPA and paid for a lot of things on his own. In our group, this was the asshole. He's in the National Guard and went overseas for 8 or 9 months.

    Flunked out of college in his freshman year because of partying and drinking a lot. Our group hoped dropping out and joining the Guard would make he realize he can't drink as much and just charge his credit cards.

    Now, he's paying a very high rent, married, owns three vehicles he's making payments on and when I lived in TN, he would still ask "Wanna get fucked up?! BYOB Party tonight"

    Packers- If there was a friend that was damn loyal to you, it was this one. He didn't care about your race, religion, or problems. He was a friend through and through. He joined the Marines but got kicked out in less than year and a half for Marijuana in his system. Now, he works a dead end job in WI with his dad. Doesn't have the smarts/money to go to college but he believes the Marines screwed him over. Oh, he's trying to be a MMA fighter now.

    Seahawks, Titans, Falcons- If I had a best friend, it was this fool. This guy and I were true competitors. If I wasn't pushing myself to become something, I had him reminding how I should be or he would just out do me in whatever it was we were doing. Athletically gifted with great speed and strength. However, he hated school and hated how easy somethings came to others. I would focus on football and school but he was only focused on football.

    Our senior year, he still put up a 1000 yards rushing but he was a backup due to "family members paying money to coaches" and it happened to me too. When the coaches did that, it just destroyed is college dreams/football career. I was just as devastated as he was when he saw the Eagles fan and I going to college. This guy was my brother. I knew no matter what, he would always have my back.

    Over the years, he has worked at Walmart while living with his parents. Constantly saying how he will go to college but never really does anything to get in. Wastes his money on his car payments, rims/speakers, and going to colleges to party.

    I can't explain how horrible it is that I know if I talk to him, he'll just tell me to keep my nose out of his business and let him live his life. My wife and I tried to help him get ready for the ASVAB to join the military but he quit on that. In the end, he told me how he hated my wife because she treated him horribly whenever he was over at my house and how his music will get him out of the hell hole he is living in. Not his brain. Now, he still lives with his parents and still works at walmart.

    Long story short, with the exception of the Packers fan, the other two treat women so disrespectful and believe that they are the superior ones in the relationship. All of them can't really get their life together and be normal adults. It's "Lets party! Buy stuff with credit cards and pay it later."

    That's not me. That's not what we were growing up. We were a group that wanted to get out of a small town. Leave the drama and drugs. Have jobs that supported our families and even each other. We had dreams but we were also realist.

    How many of you are still friends with your childhood friends?

  • I still am. I have one guy who flunked his first year at university and now just does random jobs - but he's one of the nicest guys I know so I feel really bad for him, and wish he would get out of his rut.

    I have 3 friends who all had potential to do well at university, but they all dropped out, now they live together, all work at amazon, and sit about playing World of Warcraft.

    A few other guys I know really well didn't do as well at school and work in stores/post offices. They complain about their jobs all the time, and then spend all their money on souping up their shitty VW golfs or whatever heap of shit they've bought this time, go out every weekend and post all over facebook that they are broke.

    It's a major reason why I want to move away. People around here get stuck in ruts and it's really depressing to watch. I wish they would get out of it and I'll do what I can to help, but they always just say they're "happy where they are", even though there is evidence to the contrary.

    I blame Maggie Thatcher.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Oh and a few of them are like your examples as well Artoo, even the same regarding women. Guess there will always be those types.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    it's all fucking thatcher's fault isn't it DY.

    btw, did you see that premier league is coming to the states!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Everything this. Apparently. Bit before my time so I don't know what it was like before her reign of terror.

    Nah that's the first I've heard of it. Is it actual games or is it just pre-season matches?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Everything *is. Fucking Thatcher.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    all games I believe.

    Btw, did you know that shady loves these:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I'd blame them man. The first place a person should always look as a root for their woes is staring back at them in the mirror.

  • Eagles - He's an alcoholic Erik

    Packers - He's a packers fan, what the fuck did you expect!?!?

    Seahawks - Improper parenting.

    How's that for blog headshrinking after just two paragraphs each? I know... I do kinda feel sorry for these dudes too, but free will maings. Get up off your duff and make shit happen yo self. no one else will do it for you.

  • I moved around a lot, so it was hard for me to have childhood friends. I still have about 2-3 from the hoods where my cousins stayed in. Since I moved around a lot, and my cousins basically stayed in one place through out their childhoods, their friends pretty much became my friends.

    However, once I stayed in one place enough (starting in 7th grade), I did make friends who I'm still friends with today. I pretty much have the same 4-8 close friends I had since 7th grade. They're cool, but we have different life styles.

    In other words, they're all married with children, and I'm not.

    I also find it harder and harder to talk to them about anything. I'm the only one who went to a university and attained a degree, and I'm not sure if that might have something to do with it. Not that they're not successful, they are in their professions. But they got the whole 9-5, kids in sports, etc life, and I can't exactly talk to them about my other interests, like philosophy, art, history, politics,(and BEARS) etc...I CAN, but it ends up me feeling like I'm giving a lecture or something, as opposed to a give and take conversation.

    Not saying they're stupid, either. They're not. They definitely have strong views, esp my BF, but he seems to be getting more conservative with age, becoming alarming like his father, whom he used to hate.

    So, I find that I have to hang with younger friends in their 20s who are NOT married with children, but who are past that whole "lets go club and chug vats of beer" stage - yeah, not too many of them.

    But I know I can trust my old friends to be there for me if I really need them. If I need a couch to crash on, or need some help moving or redoing a roof or something. And in the end, that my trump everything else.

  • Super that's pretty normal. Don't let it get you down. When I was 19 I lived with 6 roommates in a party house. It wasn't always the same 6 guys but there were always 7 of us living in the house. It was party down in party town. After a couple of years of that I moved back home, went to tech school and got a good job. One by one almost all of those guys disappeared from my life over the years. Once in a while I'd run into one of them and they were the exact same. Dean Wormer was right.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • I've had a lot of sets of friends over the years. Not sure what that says about me. In High School I had a group of about 6 guys I was really close with. I will refer to them by stereotypes:

    Musclehead - This guy was not as gifted academically as the rest. But every morning of summer break he called my house before 8am. If I was asleep, he told my sister to wake me up. I had the car, and I drove the group of us to the beach. Looking back, the fact that he made sure we didn't waste our summer was a really great thing he did. I didn't keep in touch with him when I went to college, but last I heard (like 7 years ago) he had an okay job and was living a nice life.

    Sheltered Kid - Had a great family that moved to a small town in Washington. We always got annoyed with him because he got along well with his brothers so he didn't really need to go out to have a good time. As the rest of us moved out and started life, his strong family life made him less excited to leave home and I think that created a separation. In the end, based on his facebook page (I check fbook maybe once a month), he's doing well. I still talk to him once every few years.

    High Stress Guy - Had major pressure from his parents to be successful. Ultimately went to UMich and got a business degree. Is now, I hear, a very successful investment banker in NYC. Also married and has a kid. And he's losing his hair... at 30. I don't keep in touch with him, but I'm sure if we were in the same city it would be a pleasure to sit down for a drink.

    Close Pal - The guy I was the closest with of the bunch stayed in my hometown (most everyone else left). He did well and got his own place, but he's still single. That's the biggest thing that we don't have in common - he's like his parents, taking a slow approach to parenthood. I married young and started having kids immediately. We still call each other on our birthdays and it is a great conversation we have once or twice a year.

    Other High Stress Guy - My other close friend who was under a lot of stress to be successful is now serving 50 years to life. My family and I were very involved in supporting him and his family during the trial that led to this sentence. I tried to keep in touch with him, but its hard to keep in contact with someone in the prison system. If I'm back in my hometown, I will try to look him up, but to visit is a day long commitment. We'll see what happens.

    There are a lot of others, but these were close knit group when I finished high school.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NB, you can't drop that last one on us and just leave it hanging there.

    At the very least tell us if it was white or blue collar.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was a sexual assault charge. Oprah was involved. Its a very long story... for another time perhaps.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    He tried to rape Oprah? Are you serious? Do you get a t-shirt for that?

    "I tried to rape Oprah but all I got was this stinkin 50 year sentence."

  • I moved around waaaaaaaaaay too much in my formative years to have close ties to anyone from my "childhood" beyond family members. I remember several of the guys I went to Junior High and High School well (in different states of course), and all the shenanigans we got into...but I envy the fact that you guys even remember each other now. I went to 3 high schools alone, so I can't relate at all, although sometimes I wish I could. My best friend in high school died early last year - wish we'd kept in touch beyond FB, but I've always shifted locations so often that it is my normal.
    Is it weird that my closest friends from my college days are the chicks I dated back then?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yes, yes it is.
    Glad we had this talk, 'Too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Me too Brownie. By the time I got to HS, I had been gone to 5 schools in 3 different countries.

  • Artoo, I wouldn't be too harsh on your old buddies just yet. You guys are all real young, and it takes some people a while to figure out what they want out of life.

    I'm fortunate to still be friends with a lot of people I grew up with. I don't see most of them very often, since everyone lives at least 4 hours away, but we try to get together or do a vacation together once or twice a year.

    I hung out with a lot of people growing up. I've just lost touch with some and quit hanging out with others because they pissed me off too many times. It helped that my best friend is my younger brother (2 years), so we are both good friends with each others friends. I still regularly hang out with 6 guys that I've known since I was 8 or 9 years old, and 5 others I've known since jr. high or high school. In HS I used to do most of the hiring for my boss at a golf course, so 7 of the guys above, along with my brother, all spent several years working together. We would have a blast.

    One common thread is that none of them ever fucked me over, not even once. We all did stupid shit to piss each other off, but never anything major. All of them are standup dudes.

    One of them, the little wetback, got ostracized from the group for a few years. After double hip replacement, he got hooked on oxy and would drink while taking it. He was going through a rough divorce, and beat up his ex one night while fucked up. She was a bitch to him, but that was uncalled for. He wasn't invited to any parties or get-togethers for a few years. We might meet him at a bar or something, but he was always fucked up beyond belief. We all like to party, but he was over the top. He lost his job, house, wife,and three rental apartments. Finally, he went to his parents and detoxed himself for two weeks. He straightened out his act, and now we've all been hanging out with him again the last 5 years.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Let me go a little deeper into the last friend. He's two years older than me, he's 25 will 26 in December, and still lives with his parents.

    I can't tell you how many times he has played the "I'll get my act together/You are all right, I need to grow up and become a man." speech.

    Theoretically, they could all change and become decent educated human beings but I think they love who they are more.

  • The more I read stories like this:

    The more I think D Rose is a pussy.

  • In reply to Viva:

    If Rose just realised all he had to do was flop like BronBron he wouldn't need two healthy legs to play.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I admire Bergeron for his toughness (it's almost universal in the NHL) but he was ineffective in the finals due to all the injuries.

  • let's all just hope this doesn't effect Jay next year:

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to Shady:

    the diabeetus.

  • D.J. Williams. The D.J. also describes his job title.

  • Wishing all of you gents a fantastic Independence Day. After reading the going on's in Egypt I'm once again reminded then even with all her problems, for the time being, America is still the place to be.

  • For you red blooded American's out there, this may strike a chord.

  • Happy Independence Day!
    Be safe and have fun!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    don't fall off the building!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The goal is to fall very, very slowly.

  • Happy 4th everyone! Hope it's a great day for all of you.

  • Hey MB if you get the chance watch the last 30 k of today's stage. Cav is involved in a crash and watching him come back to the field is amazing.

  • Happy 4th everybody, eat some hot dogs, go for the new record as of today: 69 dogs and buns in 12 minutes or less. Good luck.


    July 5th. Back to reality.

  • Note to Jeff and a few others. For those of you wondering why I have referred to Jeff as Jeffy poo or some other loose reference occasionally, I want you to know that it really was meant as a term of endearment. I don't know Jeff, only what he posts and I guess like some of you, I tend to go off of an impression in my mind of Jeff being a fun loving guy that loves the Bears and has a good sense of humor. I have never really thought he takes himself too seriously, hence the light hearted jabs from time to time.

    Now for the comments I have for Jeff. After having read your last schtick from the Hernandez thread, it seems the thrusts of your comments were directed at the NFL's shoddy journalism concerning Hernandez. Don't you think this is what is wrong with all news organizations in today's landscape? Don't all of them just pan for ratings or simply just cover what is self serving for their agenda. I think it's time for you to do a complete piece on this issue and I would like to have you comment on the Hernandez story from top to bottom. On how he was able to even make it through the football program in Florida based on recent information about him that has now come to light to actually being drafted by an NFL team who then gave him a lucrative contract. I believe the NFL is in deep doo doo and I would like to hear your take on that as well.

    Thank you, that is all.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I think Jeff's point was that the best way to get rating would be to cover the lead story. The NFL network, when the news broke, was airing commercials. When they returned from commercial break, they finished airing the program they had on to its conclusion. It wasn't until the start of the next program, maybe half an hour later, that the NFL finally started covering Hernandez. That's the sequence of events I got from Jeff's post and the comments.

    Jeff was saying that if they want ratings, they should cover the story. If their agenda is to make money on the NFL network, they should cover the story. Simple as that.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    My point NB is that if that was Jeff's take, don't you think that's very short sighted? I believe the NFL network didn't want to be the lead org on this story. I firmly belief the conflict of interest is obvious. Hence my reference to agenda's. it would be like expecting MSNBC to accurately report on the Dems and Fox to do the same with the Pubs. I think the tough questions about the FACTS concerning Hernandez need to be addressed by the NFL network if they want any credibility on the story.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I'm going off on a tangent, but the justice system clearly has two standards today. Watch this video of Hernandez getting arrested for possibly up to three murders. Look at how polite and nice the police are to him.

    If this was anyone else, including the low level drug dealer, it would have been a no knock raid, probably in the middle of the night or wee hours of the morning, with police in tactical military garb knocking down the door with guns drawn.

    I'm totally against the militarization of the police and think there are better ways to serve most search warrants, but I hate the double standard.

    On a side note, the Boston Pops and fireworks usually have about 500,000 in attendance. Because of the massive security this year, TSA style, only about half that many attended and it was the first year in a long time it was not televised nationally. I guess those fanatical terrorist brothers won. Everyone had to get frisked and go through checkpoints to go watch the fireworks. WTF.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    But Fifth, I though justice was blind.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    She may be blind, but she can count.

  • Now for something completely different. Check out this vid. You may not like the audio (although it is a catchy tune) but most of you will LOVE the video.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Thanks Canada. I loved the brunette girl. I might have to rub one off to this video before work tomorrow. She is damn near perfect in my book.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Gotta agree Cor. If someone finds something wrong with her looks/body, they have unrealistic expectations. I'm kinda disappointed nobody else commented. I thought for sure MB would chime in. Oh well, their loss.

  • Here we go again.

  • Intense Zombie World:

    They are using the Arma 2 engine, and creating a new standalone game via Steam called DayZ. Day Z features the whole 225 sq KM map of Arma based on Belarus, and has a giant zombie apocalypse occurring on the servers.

    It sort of turns the massively multi-player on it's head, as the server can only probably handle 30 players, but over 3000 zombies. They have over 10,000 unique objects. Your character gets hungry, thirsty, can contract dysentery from bad water, needs to sleep, gets cold and can freeze, etc.

    You could make up some pretty interesting situations. Have a last man standing event with only so much usable food on the map. Random griefers might "play psycho" and play to actually kill other survivors as well as survive themselves.

    Game engine supports vehicles and even aircraft although I don't know if they will have military bases and tanks and attack helicopters like Arma 2 does.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Holy shit that gameplay looks terrible.

  • In reply to Shady:

    GP loves his PC games. Old Skool

    For my money... it's all about the PS4 baby.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Think the PS4 can do Arma 3 style worlds? DX11 on Radeon? I hope so. But I don't think so.

    I tell what doesn't look terrible:

    Advance to 4:10.

    Now tell me you didn't just shit a little bit when you saw realistic SEAL underwater ops.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Who needs Arma when you've got BF4?

  • In reply to Shady:

    so fucking bad ass maings. Fuck zombies.

    the problem with BF4 is that the gameplay is INSANE, but the multiplayer is buuuuunk.

    And really, the multiplayer is what keeps the game useful for months on end. Once you finish the gameplay in BF, you're done. With MW3 you keep playing because every MP match is different than the last.

    So sad cause BF4 would be the *much* better game if the MP was more like MW3.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Look at this BF4 Multiplayer preview and tell me it's not better than running around small maps with a SMAW:

    COD Ghosts looks just like they're trying to rip off Battlefield's destructive environment and gameplay:

    Advantage BF4.

  • In reply to Shady:

    looks awesome, and love the destructible environments and much more realistic shooting, but you know my deal... if I have to spend 30 minutes searching and hoping to run into one other dude then no thanks (like BF3).

    If it's that kind of action (in the vid) all the time, I'm way in.

    I have the patience and attention span of a gnat on crack maingses... not a turtle that's baked.

  • In reply to Shady:

    BF4 looks pretty good.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    Maybe a little... I kept expecting a shark to show up... but then I guess that I always do.

    Here's my deal.... amazing engine and insane concept about open maps, create your own anything, etc... etc... but the whole thing of using a mouse on a computer just doesn't work for me.

    Take all of it and put it on a console. Bang! Bang! I'm in.

  • The beautiful game.

    "An amateur soccer match turned outright barbaric leading to the deaths of a match referee and player in northeastern Brazil.

    According to multiple reports from Maranhão, match referee, Octavio da Silva Catanhede Jordan, stabbed Josenir dos Santos Abreu to death after an argument with the player during a game on June 30. The 20-year-old referee reportedly had a knife with him at the match and attacked Santos Abreu. The 31-year-old footballer was pronounced dead on arrival by the local hospital.

    What subsequently happened was more appalling.

    After witnessing the horrific attack, family and friends of the player reportedly invaded the pitch to lynch the referee, who was gruesomely quartered and decapitated by the mob , which later hung his head on a stake."

  • In reply to Shady:

    Does that come under the heading of..'

    "It should have been Ed Hochuli."?
    JUST kidding!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Good one Al!

  • In reply to Shady:

    holy shit!

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shees, I'm not for vigilante justice, but just imagine you, your family and friends go to see someone you know play a soccer match, and the ref stabs and kills him.

    If I were in the audience, and I were to see that, man, I don't know how I'd react.

    I don't think I would have William Wallaced him, but that ref would have got at the very least a beat down.

  • People do things in groups that they'd never do as individuals.

  • I have a problem with the Meyer's wife's and daughters comments. I can't understand their logic. Daddy covered for an accused murderer.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Why have a problem with them? They are simply standing up for their father and husband. The man is paid to win, not turn bad young men into good characters. I dont know of one coach who got a new contract or a raise from their University because of their successes in producing good citizens. There is nothing in that article about Meyer covering up a Hernandez murder. You are really going for the stretch here Trac.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    It's not about that Murph. It's about acknowledging the mistakes made while heading up the program instead of turning a blind eye to off the field conduct. Admit the mistakes and learn from them kinda thing. Hernandez was such a stellar athlete that Meyer turned a blind eye. I can't imagine allowing a guy like him to get a pass. I have a hard time with that.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I agree with your basic point trac, but it's the system, not just urban.

    Kinda like the presidency, you can change up which asshole you put in the whitehouse, but until you change the system nothing will ever actually change.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I understand. I guess you're right, but I prefer the Coughlin mold. Remember what he did to Kiki Barber? He let him know who was the boss.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    It's every coach at every major University. Until the Universities and the FANS demand good conduct over wins this isnt going to change. I cant fault his wife and daughter sticking up for him. The man does what he is hired to do and does it better than 99% of his peers. Like MB says, until the whole system changes it wont change.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I disagree Murph, it's more than that. Check this article out.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    does he get any good-peoples credit for tebow murph?

    Maybe, you know, help a brother out with a few Tebus points?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yes he does MB, extra "Tebow" credit for Meyer.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    thank you sir, may I have another.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    thank you.

  • THIS is why apple blows donkeys:

    'the expedience and how it makes people feel is all that matters'


    Yeah, never mind that you can't do two things at once like real technology. Apple, a beautiful but monumental technology fail. SMHVV

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "little spinning beach ball of death..."

  • 'and people who have jobs use PC'

    Let's be honest, it's all about google and samsung right now.

  • Since y'all are talking phones I just bought the JBL Flip. Best phone accessory I've ever bought. It'll save me from bringing my giant Dewalt radio on the kayak and it sounds great!
    Hope everyone had a great 4th!

  • Also- My friend Cindy lost her job last month and since then she's been making $1,000 a week working from home. Lol

  • With or without a PC? hee hee

  • any of you guys watch tennis?

    Murray taking it to Djokovic in the finals right now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ohhhh... Djokovic making a bit of a comeback in the 3rd set


    “I talked to Lovie like, ‘Coach, what’s going on? I really don’t agree with this,’” Rachal said. “And he was like, ‘I’m going to give you some time to think about this.’ And I was like, ‘All right, Coach.’ So I went home. It wasn’t like I just walked out. I talked to Lovie and he was like ‘I’m going to give you some time to think about this. You go ahead and get away for a minute. We have a team meeting at 3 o’clock. You come back and we go from there.’”

    Rachal admits, however, that he missed that 3 o’clock meeting Smith told him to attend. So while Rachal may not have quit on his team, he didn’t exactly do everything that was asked of him, either. And Rachal says he wasn’t in much of a mood to play for then-offensive coordinator Mike Tice after Tice informed him that he and Gabe Carimi were both being benched. Rachal believed Tice should have shown more sensitivity in delivering the news.

    “I came in the next day and worked out and then when I got into the offensive line meeting room, Tice didn’t pull me to the side or nothing,” Rachal recalled. “He just said, ‘Chilo and Gabe, you guys are being replaced.’ I just felt that how he went about it . . . I don’t feel like that was right. I felt like he could have at least pulled me to the side, man to man, and told me.”

  • In reply to Shady:

    Who cares?

    Thanks for sharing Shady.



    "According to Bruce Feldman of, the NFL is considering barring academically ineligible prospects from the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

    Feldman, citing an unnamed NFL source, reports that the possibility is “being discussed because of the increased scrutiny on the maturity and commitment of the prospects entering the NFL.”

    By excluding the players deemed most likely to be drafted from Indianapolis, the NFL would only be making the scouting process more cumbersome and expensive for its teams. The primary benefit of the Scouting Combine comes from bringing all of the top prospects and all of the teams to the same place, reducing significantly the costs of the medical review and creating an opportunity to talk to as many players as possible, either via the normal interview rotation or the loosely-organized (and lesser-known) “train station” conversations, which in theory allows a sufficiently diligent team to register face time with every player.

    Besides, academically ineligible players would still be drafted, whether they go to the Scouting Combine or not."


    Get in there son!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    there you are DY. Congrats for you and your countrymen. 77 years... wow. Great match. The last set was painful to watch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Great to see him doing it after what he had to go through with the Dunblane Massacre back in '96.

    77 years for an English winner....why it hasn't even been a day since a Scotsman won it ;)

    Aye, it was indeed. Genuinely thought he was going to throw the set away when it went to deuce. Glad to see him pull through.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    yeah, that was a bit dodgy.

    Our CEO is in London for the next week... if you were there I would hook you two up for a beer. Unfortunately, he's an ozzy cunt, so he's dodgy by definition.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tell him to head to Edinburgh. We have a heatwave right now (by our standards anyway) and castles and hills and whisky and other lovely things.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Regarding the Scots and tennis:

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    The fun starts about three minutes in...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    ahhhh, the love.

    Scotts love the pommies too, right DY?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    So much Python around here lately! I love it!

    Ah no I don't think we do MB. We tend to be quite bitter about most folks though, especially each other - I think this sums it up rather well.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    yes, I was being factious my man.

    I watched Bravehart maings.

  • Shady,

    rachal is a fucking vagina. Fuck you dude, you did quit you fucking headcase! doesn't matter what happened, you don't quit you pussy.

  • He and Carimi were turnstiles in the SF game. Not to mention SF knew he was a headcase and exploited it. I'm amazed how little responsibility he takes for this. His play was beyond pathetic, he misses a meeting and is pissed because Tice didn't consult with him before benching him. WOW!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    exactly Canada.

    Side note: Tice was a buffoon.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, I walked down the street last night to watch the 1st set of Innocuous Voodoo at 10. Next thing you know, it's 2:30 and the show is over. Just a totally kick ass band, and tight. Dave runs a tight ship as the band leader, but allows some space if guys want to go off on a solo. The horns weren't there, but still a 7 piece band with two regular fill-ins on guitar and keys. And both those guys were great. Dave only lets the super good players touch his Hammond B-3, so that wasn't out tonight. A couple guys, one from Madison and one from Minneapolis, stepped in for a few songs. Musicians seem to love playing La Crosse.

    For the 1st set, the bar was practically empty. I just pulled up a chair, kicked back, and enjoyed. There were maybe 20 people in the bar. After the 1st set, around 11:45, huge groups of people started piling in. The second set was raucous after about 125 people showed up and people dancing and grooving throughout the bar. The crowd dwindled down to about 50 by the end of the 3rd set at 2:15.

    The show finished with Iko Iko and an original latin jazz song sung in Spanish by Dave's girlfriend who is also a member of the band. Most people missed the best set in my opinion.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Until the last couple of years I always stayed til the end if a band was really good. Now it depends on how I feel. When you don't drink and you're an old fart it does require a little more dedication. Of course, when I was doing music promotion you had to stay til the end to pay them.

    If/when I go back home I'll give you a heads up and see if you're going to be around. I've always liked going to LaCrosse and that's without seeing any great music when I was there.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Anytime Canada. I've always seemed to have good luck when people visit. There is usually a really good, top notch show going on that weekend.

  • Watching NBC Sports face of a franchise... Mt. Rushmore for every team... pick your top 4. They're doing the NFCN now

    * Payton
    * Butkus
    * Halas
    * Sayers

    Fans Picks:
    * Payton
    * Butkus
    * Halas
    * Ditka

    Tend to agree with the fans here. No other '85 players.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yup, I did the survey and went with every fan pick there. Sayers was great but that's not who I think about when I picture that in my mind. I guess there is a strong argument for one coach it I don't see how you could leave Halas out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Might be too close to his retirement but I would put Lach up there over Ditka or Sayers. Sayers was great but played 5 seasons and 2 of those were cut short due to injury. Da Coach was great but are we promoting personaities or performance? Once again I think he played 5 seasons and wasnt at his peak until he played in Dalas. I know theres a lot of Lach hate on here (and I really dont know why) but the man played his entire career in Chicago and is one of the best LB's of all time.

  • no way lach makes this list in a bazillion years... above singletary (who won a SB), or dent HOFer, or jimmymac?

    Common maingses... did you you wake and way too much bake to start your week?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hye I said Lach over Ditka and Sayers. Singletary was great but look at the numbers. In almost the same number of games Lach has 2x the sacks and 3x the interceptions. Mike had ZERO forced fumbles for his career. Thats shocking. Sometimes I think Bears fans think LB's like Urlacher are just run of the mill guys since they seem to come along so often in Chi town.

  • I get that, but you gotta take them in their time maing. like inflation.

    Check those vids $ posted a few threads back about the '85 team. He made the 46 work bud. history.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Bear "RUSHMORE" needs/deserves more than just 4 heads. Blogreader/friend "JeremiahWasaBullfrog", suggests the Bears shopuld get extra heads from teams like Jacksonville or Carolina who don't have enough history for even 4.

    If we're stuck with just for 4 heads then sorry, I cannot bump Sayers for Ditka.
    It is a travesty/black mark that Da Coach couldn't get that squad to a second Super Bowl

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Totally agree Al. If people saw Sayers play they would feel differently. Nothing against the coach because he was a great player.

  • So wrong, he doesn't belong in Detroit.

  • In reply to Shady:

    fuck him.

  • Shady, please get this:

    Then wear it walking maddy.

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  • Just glanced over this thread comments again. Quite a few nuggets for such a dull opinion season. Keep it up boys!

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You got me!

  • here you go GP:

    And your link above was funny.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    love that song. Used to have it on rotation when my buddies and I would go on surf trips in mejico.

  • Victor Cruz: 5 years, $43M.

    Not bad for a walk-on who scrapped his way to the top.

    Next up: Smoking Joe Anderson.

  • LT2 is why the whole Pedobear meme just isn't fucking funny

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what the fuck is wrong with people!?!??!

    I'm a huge advocate of (100% proven) first-offense castration for these motherfuckers... and I don't mean chemical castration, I mean actual, physical castration with a blunt, rusty, plastic butter knife... with a 48 hr every hour post-op salve of lime juice, salt, vinegar, and rubbing alcohol.

    (yes plastic can rust under certain conditions... I don't know what those conditions are, but there you have it).

    Who would do this kind of shit to a helpless child. Jesus christ makes me fucking livid and sick at the same time. Fucking animals.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Make him pee on the rail.

    Pee on the rail! Pee on it!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    too fast/not painful enough

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've always thought staking them up out in the desert until they die would be about right.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not sure about that. 10,000 volts travelling up your pee stream until it got to your dick; I think it would literally vaporize your sack.

    You'd have that oh fuck moment and then get blowback, and you'd lay there half conscious on the subway platform and literally asphyxiate because the shock stopped your heart and you fade out.

    That sounds good for Junior.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Good stuff! An older co-worker from 35 years ago nailed a dog that was always peeing on his flowers. He put up a metal fence around the flowers and waited for the dog to come by. He hooked up a generator from the old crank phones and gave fido a good jolt. The dog ran off howling and never peed on his flowers again.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Since we're on the subject, I will vent my issue with these cases.

    On the one hand, I agree with the notion that certain child molestors need to be dealt with severely... maybe not blunt, rusty butter knife severely, but very severely. Its one of the crimes that I can get behind the death penalty for.

    On the other hand, the definition of "sex offender" is frequently defined very broadly. Very broadly. I have heard that, in some jurisdictions, attempted murder is a crime that requires registration as a sex offender... think about that for a minute.

    There is a big difference between (a) a 40 year old man who kidnaps and assaults an 8 year old, and (b) an 19 year old senior who is caught having otherwise consentual relations with a 14 year old freshman after taking her to their high school prom. You might think that both of these things should be crimes, but you can't put them in the same class.

    As soon as you put the law into effect for what MB is asking for... the slippery slope begins. Don't think that there aren't parents of a very rebellious 14 year old girl that wouldn't ask for the butter knife treatment.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I got busted for pissing behind my truck in a pitch dark camp ground at 2:00 a.m. after a hard night of drinking. I was literally mid stream and a female ranger shined her light on my junk. After a bit of a discussion, she let me off with a warning. Worst case was I end up on a sex offender list. Unbelievable.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    fucking ridiculous man.

    1:10 -

    "...I'm gonna go see that girl about her vagina, excuse me"

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    So my statement was pretty broad and was a knee jerk reaction to the specific case linked to (and his dad's for that matter... runs in the fam. lovely)

    So what I should have included with my 100% proven clause (which itself is sometimes impossible), is that the butter knife treatment should obviously only be available for special circumstance cases... like the first example you gave.

    I was also really hoping you'd weigh in on the zimmerman case too NB

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not following the case too closely to be honest. I'll sit down and read about it at some point.

    Here's my very uninformed opinion. I tend to support the 2nd amendment and the idea of protecting one's home with lethal force because I tend to be fairly libertarian in my politics (I know right?)

    But if Zimmerman armed himself and went out looking for trouble, that's not self defense. I find it very hard to say that Zimmerman was defending himself if he deliberately provoked a (probably scared) innocent kid into a fight. Is that first degree murder? Probably not. But its not an innocent act either.

    In some states you have something called the felony murder rule. If a murder is committed while in the process of committing a felony, then that murder is automatically treated like first degree murder. A common example would be someone who robs a bank while armed - if they shoot someone accidentally while firing a warning shot, its still felony murder.

    Zimmerman wasn't committing a felony, but he also wasn't being smart. I heard the 911 tape and the operator actually tells him to stop following Martin. But he went looking for trouble in what was probably a combination of vigilantism, misunderstanding of the law and just general stupidity. Stupidity normally isn't a crime, but it can be when someone dies.

    Getting behind the wheel of a car after throwing back a dozen beers is stupid. Leaving a camp fire burning after everyone decides to head home early is stupid. Carrying a gun and putting yourself in a situation with that gun that you don't know how to handle is stupid. If people die because of a person's stupidity, some kind of punishment is in order.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Why do sexual offenses make people more irate than a murder? What's more serious than murder? Even in the fire and brimstone Old Testament, an eye for an eye is proffered as retribution. No man should lose his life for a sexual offense. If you take another's life then you open yourself up for the death penalty (if it applies) ... but killing people for offenses where no life has been lost? I want no part of that society. That's for the plebs, baying mobs with pitchforks. Fuck that. We went to the moon.

    Love thy neighbour as thyself. Forgive those who trespass against you.

  • kids maings... the ultimate innocents, and vulnerable

    grown ups suck in general...

    I'm all in on the pitchforks, torches, and painful slow death for proven 'real' sex offenders (see definition by NB above)

  • Irish - reread the "old" testament. The death penalty gets given out for a lot of things, not just murder.

    Interestingly, the "eye for an eye" verse is actually not literal. The verse is giving legal principles for determining money damages. That's how it is explained in the Talmud based on scriptural analysis and that's how Jewish law treats it.

    Jewish law also lists lots of offenses that merit the death penalty. But the Talmud says that a court that executes one person in 70 years is a "bloody court." How can that be?

    1 - To give the death penalty, the person must be seen in the act of committing his crime by two witnesses, who both have the same visual perspective and who both withstand fairly rigorous questioning by the court.
    2 - The criminal must have been warned immediately prior to committing the crime by one of the witnesses. The warning must meet certain criteria, essentially guaranteeing that the criminal knew what he was doing, that it was against the law and that it was a capital offense.
    3 - There must be a court of 71 judges (the Sanhedrin) to make a capital verdict. The verdict is reached by a majority vote.
    4 - (Interesting for MB) if the court decides 100% (71 - 0) in favor of guilt, the court cannot give the death penalty.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Thing is, does a person deserve to be put to death because they hurt someone else, even a child? Even a stern eye-for-an-eye response says no. I think how we treat prisoners says a lot about who we are. Putting drug addicts in prison is just plain dumb for example, on many levels. How does a sick person get better in prison?

    I can smell football.

  • What you say is true and faithful Irish but remember, it will be terrible for anyone that harms a child in a way that causes them to lose their faith. It would have been better for that person if they had been cast into the deepest ocean with millstone tied around their neck than to ever have been born.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I take it you are referring to the perpetrator with respect to that millstone comment?

  • On a happier note...

    This looks so good it is amazing. The Lotus 49 cresting at 1:27 is just car porn.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    I don't get nascar. Just. Don't. Get. It.

    especially after watching F1 all weekend. Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Marbles going around an empty biscuit tin. We should use people's love of the phenomenon to target our Darwin bombs.

  • hahahahahaha...

  • More rugby ouchy:

  • DaBearsBlog @dabearsblog
    Because its insane and disgusting. RT @HubbuchNYP: Why are Chicago people such psychos about banning ketchup on hot dogs?


    Ketchup is the ONLY thing to put on a dog. Mustard is for those enormous pretzels. And relish smells like trash. Yuck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bite your tongue MB! Ketchup does not belong on a hot dog, no more than it belongs on a steak. Feel free to enjoy what you like on your dogs but dont call us psycho! Drag it through the garden buddy!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    so what do you (and you down there corm) like on your dawgs?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Dude! Ketchup and mustard, on the bun first .. .and always a warm bun.

  • those soft standard grocery store whitebread buns are the fucking BEST thing ever. So so soft and yummy.

    Absolutely zero nutritional value, but so so yummy.

    Don't even talk to me about Hawaiian bread buns (do you know what those are Irish?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I do not know about Hawaiian bread buns. If I lived in America I would be a nose tackle without the muscle.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gotta agree with Murph here MB. In fact, I don't like ketchup on any sausages (brat, Italian sausage, cheddarwurst, Polish sausage, etc). Burger is fine. I guess to each his own.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I don't use ketchup except on french fries.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    really you guys?!

    Wow, really must be a ChiTown thing.

    Ketchup on a normal hotdog just seems so normal and right to me... and most of my buddies too. Now, that said, I would never put ketchup on a brat or a italian sausage, etc...

    To me those are different types of foods. Hotdogs are fun, lite, lips and assholes in a skin... sausages are real foods.

    As a south african, I put HP sauce on my sausages. Look it up, see if you can find it, and try it... you'll love it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, and if you want a real man's sausage (nttawwt), you should find and try this:

    South African 'farmer's' sausage. Fucking insane.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    A Chicago dog is not like your Oscar Meyer wiener. It's Vienna sausage. I really don't care for hotdogs much, but those are pretty good. Just don't like the ketchup on it. I don't like most relish either.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    so you go mustard only?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Most sausages I like just mustard and maybe some tomato or cucumber or gardiniara. Occasionally I like some sour kraut on a brat. For an Octoberfest brat, after cooking on the grill, and put in a slow cooker with sour kraut, I will load it up. The kraut isn't as strong. For an Italian sausage, I often like a good spicy red sauce.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    that all sounds strange to me, but what the fuck do I know... I've lived in cali most my life. Not exactly the sausage capital of the world.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    You bastards.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mustard, onions, and sometimes chopped tomatoes for me. For me, the sugary taste of ketchup flat out ruins a Vienna red hot.


    Ok. so here's my take. Zimmerman probably went overboard in shooting the kid, but at the time it probably seemed martin was going to kill him, and he was defending himself any way he could... he obviously didn't intend/premeditate to kill the kid. He's kind of a little puss, but it seems like he was getting his ass kicked by a bigger, stoned, and aggressive martin.

    Sorry, but kid was a fucking punk who was playing tough guy. He certainly didn't deserve to die, but I think zimmerman should get a MUCH lesser charge and be let go for time already served.

    My $.02 from what I've seen/heard so far.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    speaking of getting your ass kicked:


  • Thought some of you guys might like this story.

    I cleaned house this year, so I've been looking for a lot of new employees. I made some good and some really bad hires, so I've been playing musical chairs at a few positions.

    While interviewing one guy, who is 22, I notice he already has a great work history. Worked over 5 years at a golf course, and was assistant manager at a top notch resort for 1.5 years while going to college. I almost never see young kids with that kind of experience at a young age. He was very intelligent and well spoken during the interview. He moved to the area to be with his girlfriend who is finishing school here, and he's going to finish online. Called his references, and hired him about an hour after the interview.

    My buddy was in town for work and we were having some drinks at my house a day or two later. I pulled out this guy's application to show my friend that I was impressed. I was sold on his 1st two jobs, and never looked at the third until this time. The 3rd job reference said employer: City of ........... Job title: Mayor - 2010-2012. I had to do a double take. It's only a town of about 10,000 but that is impressive.

    I asked him about this the next day. "Yeah, I was on the City Council the year before for fun, and no one liked the Mayor, so I ran against him and won. I cut the city deficit in half." I looked him up, and the first thing he did was fire the City Administrator. The kid has some balls. Oh, and he's already kicking ass and will start running his own route next week.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    awesome. Great find. be a mentor Corm. Someone did that for me and it was invaluable.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Question on CVs. I grew up telling the truth on my CV, that's how I was raised. It's just not how to roll judging by the fact that most people lie on their CVs and they're the ones that get to interview stage, true or false? Plus, references .... not everyone leaves their jobs on good terms with their employer, not necessarily any fault of the employee. A reference could just be a friend lying on behalf of the employee.

    All about reading between the lines?

  • naw, you can lie on your CV but if you get caught you're proper fucked (love the UD definition:

    Especially if you work in a tight, incestuous industry. So not worth it, at aaaaaallllll.

    Besides, if you're lying you are probably not qualified for the job.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm thinking in my later years that a little creativity on a CV is what most folk are doing. Yay or nay?

  • He's legit Irish. I did my homework. Hope he sticks around for more than a year. He's already very productive after just 5 days.


    I like the old version... the new version is fat.


    (hee hee)

  • Speaking of hot dogs and wieners above, that would be awesome if Anthony Wiener wins the mayoral job of New York City.

    Not only did he deny tweeting pictures of his cock, but he insinuated that he wished his dick was that big! That was before confessing to posting the photos. I think that alone gives him all the qualifications he needs to be Mayor. New York deserves him.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    NYC deserves a guy who would lie about the size of dick, but instead of too big - say it was much smaller? To throw off suspicion?

    I guess it proves no lie is too distasteful for the guy.

    What was interesting about the people who roasted Weiner (what I did there, you saw it) was the slow drip of information. One pic, one tweet at a time. Let him deny and then publish more evidence. It was sadistic in it's political brutality, but highly entertaining to watch unfold.

    Greenwald is doing the same thing with Snowden. He taped the interview with him in Hong Kong, it was several hours long. Greenwald waited until the U.S. tried to smear Snowden and paint him as a traitor, then published the part of the interview yesterday where Snowden says "they are going to smear me and paint me as a traitor." Effective counter-strategy from a PR standpoint, being a step ahead of your adversaries.

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