On Aaron Hernandez & the Role of a League's Network

On Aaron Hernandez & the Role of a League's Network

At 8:58 AM EST this morning the news of Aaron Hernandez' arrest had blown up my Twitter feed and sent me reaching for the remote control. My instincts, well-trained by years of watching sports on television, were to pop in the numbers 728 and allow some guy named Bram tell me about the arrest and subsequent perp walk on the four-letter network.

I then stopped myself.

NFL Network has to be all over this.

Where is the remote?

There it is.


No that's Golf Channel, idiot. You watch it for nine hours a day. You know that.


Commercial! Commercial!? Now?

The scroll at the bottom of the screen read, "BREAKING NEWS: Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez taken out of his North Attleboro..."

The image above that scroll was Tony Siragusa trying to sell me a pad to stop penile leaking. Or maybe it was anal leaking. All I know is he said leakage a few times and if Tony Siragusa is leaking I don't want to be within three zip codes.

Back to ESPN I went. For only a few minutes, yes. But a pivotal few minutes.

In fairness to NFL Network, when they returned from commercial break after the hour break they did not leave the Aaron Hernandez story for the eight hours. They brought in legal experts and Boston Globe reporters. They brought in Brian Billick to discuss how an organization handles a situation like this, being that Billick was head coach of the Ravens when Ray Lewis took a slap on the knuckles for his role in an Atlanta homicide. (Lewis, now an ESPN employer, was nowhere to be found.) They maintained their focus in a drastic departure from what they had done the previous week.

When the story had broken the previous week, NFL Network was airing their NFL AM program. This is not a good television program. This is one of the television programs I watch and think, "How can the most powerful sports league in the world be responsible for something so horrific?" As one of the league's players was being implicated in a murder plot, they were dissecting the NFL Network's Top 100 list. (Side note: I am sure some people care about this list. I just can't for the life of me understand why.)

ESPN had Hernandez. CNN had Hernandez. Three or four major news sites had Hernandez. NFL Network had Steve Wyche rambling about Jimmy Graham or something. Right position. Wrong guy.

It reminded me of Tiger Woods. On Friday night, after the second round of The Masters, my phone started blowing up as I met with friends at a bar down the street. I, being a rabid Tiger fan, was barraged with texts reading things like "what's going on" and "is he going to get DQ'd" and "fucking Tiger". I ran home, flipped on the Golf Channel to see the scroll. 15th hole. Dropped ball. Rule violation.

Above the scroll? Reruns of a recap show from earlier in the evening. Golf Channel had the golf story of the year to discuss and debate and they were talking about Marc Leishman.

League networks do not have, for the most part, the most important commodity in the world of sports television. They don't have the games and thus don't have the massive advertising revenue that accompanies those game broadcasts. This limits their ability to pay the best broadcasters and reporters in the business to work for them and leads to people like Adam Schefter and Jason LaCanfora using them as a springboard to bigger and more lucrative things.

Sure, NFL Network has the Thursday night package. Golf Channel has a lot of LPGA and Champions Tour but never much worthy action when it comes to the big boy tour. NBA and MLB have channels but neither airs anything of note. (The exception to this is Tennis Channel seeming to be the only network airing non-Grand Slam tournaments.)

It is incumbent upon these networks to do EVERYTHING else and to do so with a thoroughness and detail unavailable to the other outlets for their own credibility. This goes especially for serious news discussion - the element most lacking in the sports world. Since ESPN decided to relegate their news operation to a half-hour of Bob Ley in the middle of the afternoon, no one on television has picked up the news reporting slack. And when I say news I don't mean who signs where and for how much money. I mean the issues that transcend the sports itself.

Let's focus clearly on the NFL. Has NFL Network:

  • Given the notion of the Jacksonville Jaguars, their stadium and possible London move serious air time?
  • Broken down the economic/political ramifications of a cold weather Super Bowl site?
  • Discussed this off-season's trend of one-year contracts and the possibility of collusion amongst ownership?
  • Asked why the NFL is so hellbent on safety yet so unable to further HGH testing?
  • Gone back and asked individuals who did NOT draft Aaron Hernandez why? They had four days to gather information prior to his arrest. Did they?

I don't expect the network to take down its own sport with a Woodward and Bernstein "follow the money" attack. But I do expect NFL Network, Golf Channel...etc. to lead the reporting when it comes to news stories that both define and transcend their respective sports. If they do no more than touch the surface they are no better than what Dan Patrick refers to "the mothership".

But the opportunity is there for these networks to be journalistic beacon when it comes to the coverage of their own sport. Will they take that opportunity? In the NFL's case, it might actually put some eyes on their channel outside of those few hours on Thursday night in-season.


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  • 1st Beyouches....

  • secondly blogfader...I must admot you are correct about the NFL network except..for this today they had this live while I checked ESPN and CNN and they dinot in this case

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    sheite... couldn't see what I was typing because the fucking ad "quit now" was in front...when are we leaving this clusterfuck site!!!! sorry for the miss spells boyz.

  • Hernandez charged with straight up murder.

    I just can't understand why someone would throw away a charmed life, dream job and absolute freedom........

    I guess you can take the kid out of the thug life but you can't take the thug mentality out of the kid.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Possibly "You can take the boy out of the gang but you can't take the gang out of the boy."....?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Gross, you think Hernandez takes it?

  • I actually like the MLB and NBA Networks.

  • I can never understand how professional athletics remain mixed up with a dark past. Gangs, drugs, growing up in a bad place. All that shit should be flushed down the toilet once you "make it". This guy had the world by the nutsack and he does (allegedly) a stupid thing like this. He gets what he deserves if guilty...to bad we can't charge him for being a dumbshit. This also goes for Athletes that get DWIs..dude!!! You have more money than you know what to do with....call a LIMO!!!

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    When keeping it real goes wrong...


  • If you keep watching them, the Wayne Brady skit pops up.

    "Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"

  • Speaking of anal leakage, here is a picture of your anus in the sky.


    You. Are. Welcome.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    wow, that is so fucking cool maings. Nice find.

    Oh, and Uranus is beautiful. So congrats!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That was cool, GP

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It would be nice to have Saturn hanging in the night sky ....if gravity didn't suck so much.

    I actually thought Jupiter would look bigger. Apparently, if old Jupes wasn't in our solar system, life on earth would have been extinguished long ago, as it sweeps all the asteroids and meteors from our path. It's like our celestial nanny.

  • I guess it depends on the time scale, Irish. Most of the bombardment period was before the development of life on earth from what I remember.

  • and jeff, wtf dude, I was expecting a piece on hernandez but I get this... who fucking cares maings.

    btw, brazil just let Uruguay score on them to tie up the game... what a pathetic effort by brazil defensemen. jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and it's the fifa confed cup semis in case some of you philistines are wondering.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh is that the sport where a bunch of short greasy communists run around with their hands tied behind their backs while kicking around a black and white ball accomplishing next to nothing?


  • In reply to Shady:

    yes, that's the one... you know, the most popular sport in the entire world by about a factor of about 100.

    Dude, honestly, baseball has fallen to like the #4 sport even in the us. Baseball sucks to watch. It's soooo slow and boring.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah soccer is so thrilling that their fans have to keep themselves entertained by chanting racial slurs at opposing players. Fuck soccer and fuck their arrogant aloof fans. It's a third world sport that Americans shouldn't give two shits about. I'm surprised by the fact someone as impatient as you can sit around and watch grass grow while some fancy pants floppers kick around a soccer ball. I've played soccer and its kinda fun. But to watch?!? I'd rather pluck my pubes.

  • In reply to Shady:

    First, I shave my box. Much less painful, you should try it.

    Second, I grew up watching it, and rugby, and F1, and boxing, and even some cricket (basically baseball games that can go on for DAYS)

    So bottom line is, you are either an eco/egocentric american who only watches fb, bball, baseball and nascar... or you're the rest of the world who watches soccer.

    I'm a splendid, serendipitous package of both... wrapped in an enigma of studliness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll take being an American for 2000, Alex. You can keep your furry funny foreigner futbol. #thankyouverymuch

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cricket? Cricket!?!

    You poor soul.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I don't mind it for about an hour DY, then I either fall asleep or just wander off to find something else to do.

    My dad: (Monday game) Don't you want to see if we win the match?

    Me: Yeah pop, let me know who wins on thursday

  • In reply to Shady:

    The ironic thing about your post is that America will be a Third World country within a decade. Maybe at that time we'll be able to compete with the big dogs in the greatest sport on earth.

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It comforting your crazy ass disagrees.

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • In reply to Shady:

    I do love that you seem to think that only soccer fans chant slurs at opposing players. Seems a tad naive, don't you think?

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    America has more than it's share of racists, but I guess we still haven't found a way to incorporate it into song during our sporting events like those passionate soccer fans have. Maybe one day.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    what the hell is there to say about hernandez? he murdered a guy and orchestrated the dumbest coverup of all time. now he goes to jail.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    well, I was expecting a little deeper dive and some thoughts on the discussion shady and I are having below.

    Why do you think he did it?

    I heard florio say he took a nosedive when his dad died. Happened to a guy I went to HS with.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You went to HS with a guy who killed someone after his dad died? How do you know the guy didn’t kill his dad too?

  • http://tracking.si.com/2013/06/26/aaron-hernandez-led-out-of-home-handcuffs/?sct=uk_t2_a3

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They are going Capital One on Aaron, and not his credit card...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    what's in your wallet?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    courtroom footage: http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9424056/aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-charged-murder

    This dude's life is over. he's done.

  • "Hernandez is one of 28 NFL players arrested since this year's Super Bowl on Feb. 3, according to a database kept by U-T San Diego."


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It'll piss off Yonny but I blame CTE. These guys are fucking brain damaged. There are plenty of other athletes in basketball with the same or similar upbringing who don't commit nearly the amount of crime NFL athletes do. Brain damage bro.

  • In reply to Shady:

    bullshit maing.

    They've been spoonfed everything for their entire lives. Add millions of dollars and wild fans/hot groupies at every turn, and bingo.

    Dumbfuckingshits who don't make good real life decisions.

    It's called being a fucking moron.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm sure a vast majority of NFL athletes weren't spoon fed shit until they realized they could play professionally. I'm sure most had a rough upbringing and tried hard to avoid the gang/thug life. Now once they made it were they surrounded by yes men and women? Of course, but you can't say it was for their entire lives. And Bingo you've got murder?? Nein.

  • In reply to Shady:

    starts in high school for most my man... the lucky few in pop warner (like reggie bush)

    common maings. My bro went to UCLA and had FB and bball players in his classes. He'd see them on day one of class, then not till the final and they'd end up with As and Bs. Huh?

    Common maings.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We're not talking about skipping class or smoking weed, we're talking about murder. Murrrrdeerrrrr.

  • In reply to Shady:

    oh, murder, you mean like this: http://tracking.si.com/2013/06/26/browns-rookie-charged-attempted-murder/?sct=hp_t2_a10&eref=sihp

    and like this: "Hernandez is one of 28 NFL players arrested since this year's Super Bowl on Feb. 3, according to a database kept by U-T San Diego."

    Common maings. Wonder what the comparative rate of crime is in the gen pop.

    Call it what you want maings... mostly roid-taking neandertal thugs play fb who can't rise above, my thoughts about it... or both. Probably both right.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You forgot to mention the brain damage.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to Shady:

    Dain Brammage?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm wondering if the NFL gets arrested at higher percentage than the rest of the population.

    I mentioned this before, but NFL players actually get arrested LESS then the gen pop on DUI...

    So maybe the overall "crimerate" of NFL players is about the same, percentage wise.

    This is the way I see it...if you're an alpha-male in your 20s, you have a much higher chance of getting arrested because alpha-males in their 20s do a lot of stupid shit.

    Having more money makes them "supa-alpha-males".

    Just think of all the crazy shit you guys did in your 20s before society became so puritanical and litigious ...before everyone having an iphone recording that shit...scary....

    Not that anyone here murdered, I think...but most of the NFL players get popped for petty stuff.

    Everyone once in a decade, a Ray Lewis/Hernandez comes along.

  • Had to try it for fun. A little internet searching, so who knows whether the data is real, but I assume it's close to accurate.

    US population: 310,000,000
    Arrests per day: 36000
    Days since Feb 3: 143
    (143*36000)/310000000 = 0.0166 or 1.66% of total population arrested, although this does not account for multiple arrests of the same person.

    NFL population = 53 * 32 = 1696
    Arrested since Feb 3 = 28
    28/1696 = 0.016509

    So, it's *really* close to equivalent. Far more so than I expected, I admit.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    wow, shocking!

    Ok, now take out dade county florida and all of chicago, and BOOM.... gen pop down to below a point.

    Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You know, if I remember correctly, that was about the same for the DUIs.

    The NFL was just a smidgen below national avg.

    That's why it's the avg. It just SEEMS like they're always committing crimes because they're celebs.

    Good work. Doc would be proud, though most mathematicians I know look down on stats lol

  • Although he's too nice to point it out, Doc would no doubt be aware of my carelessness w.r.t. significant figures. But it *is* curious that the arrest rate of a sample of the privileged is about the same as the rest of we slobs.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Now THAT is some good information, SC.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I wonder how many NFL players get waved on though when it's realized that they're an NFL athlete. I remember in Mac's autobiography where he talks about driving home after a game (Niners I think), we won and Ditka was over the moon ... and the limit. He saw Ditka pulled over by the cops and beeped his horn in support. Ditka was drunk as a lord but I don't recall him going to jail. One rule for celebs, jail for the rest of us.

  • He got arrested and ended up paying a fine.

    The US isn't as hard on drunk driving as a lot of other countries. It's changing, but slowly.

    When I was a kid, if you got caught riding around drinking the cops made you pour the beer out. After that, they would tell you if they see you again that night, you're going to jail. Unless you were involved in an accident, were a total tool to the cops or were completely blotto, they usually didn't arrest you. I don't think that's the case now.

  • Can't add to the Hernandez discussion - - he's toast, and his tight-end self deserves to be buttered.

    As for the NFL Network, the key there is to keep your expectations low. Remember, we're talking about a net that thinks Deion Sanders is a good idea.

  • This is some serious hoopla. It managed to crack the top 10 on the BBC News website for most shared stories - that's normally reserved for such articles informing us what Amy Winehouse did in her last hours; lottery winners and MP's entering reality tv shows.

    He is screwed. I refuse to believe this is CTE. The courts won't buy it either.

  • Anyone else been watching the tennis then? Federer and Nadal both got destroyed by total nobodies. C'mon Andy Murray!

    Don't watch women's tennis MB, it's turrible.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    yeah man... bunch of weirdness going on today DY. Let's just say I don't exactly watch for the technical tennis.

    (Shady look away)

    Did you see the footy today? Can't wait for Spain v Italy tomorrow... although I have a feeling it's going to be a straight up beatdown.

    Brazil v spain in the final should be interesting if brazil plays a more excited game than they did today.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah I caught the game. Brazil are frail and rely far too much on Neymar. I refuse to like him because his flopping drives me insane. He had a real proper dive in the last 5mins that was just disgraceful.

    Italy will get humped by 2 or 3 easily. Spain will probably win as well because there's no way Brazil can defend against them, whereas the Spain defenders will kick the shit out of Neymar whenever he threatens.

    2-0 spain.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    did you see the tying goal by uru? disgraceful defense. Pathetic, lazy, sloppy.

    agree, spain by 2.

  • ahhh....I'm becoming more and more like Irish, posting on dead threads from eons past.

    Anyhow, I'll repost my two pesos on one of the greater issues the Hernandez debacle raises...

    Like many other times, I agree with you GP.

    To be honest, I don't really like this trend in "morality" taking away a man's right to work.

    I mean, even shit like "domestic violence" which we all look down on, shouldn't mean a guy should get fired from his job. Stuff like that is never black-and-white (my step bro got "domestic violence" because his wife whacked him with his own hockey stick, so he fended her off attack, pushed her down, she hurt herself then called the cops. She tried dropping charges cuz she knew she was wrong, but too late...in Cali, once the charge is made, it gets prosecuted no matter what thanks to O.J.), and taking away a guy's job only will make that person an unemployed wife beater, which can quickly turn into an alcoholic unemployed wife beater, til one day he snaps, kills, gets killed, or ends up in prison forever.

    Then, instead of having an asshole at least working, paying taxes, shelling out for anger management/therapy and providing for himself and his family, we now have a dude in prison costing us tons of money.

    It's up to the employers, I understand, but we in society have to at least give ppl the opportunity to work, esp when s/he has not even been convicted.

  • + a shitload

  • + a shitload

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Oh gawd Jeffe, get us the fuck outta here!

  • Always have the last word, Butch. If it's in with a Clint Eastwood accent, all the better.

  • slackers


  • http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/justice/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


    Hernandez "drove the victim to the remote spot, and then he orchestrated his execution," First Assistant District Attorney Bill McCauley said in court Wednesday.

    "He orchestrated the crime from the beginning, he took steps to conceal and destroy evidence and he took steps to prevent the police from speaking to ... an important witness," the prosecutor said.

  • Its no more surprising to me that somebody like Hernandez threw his life away than when anybody else does. Prison is full of people that threw away a pretty good life thanks to the worst decision they ever made in a heated moment. His relative wealth is a non factor.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I once spoke to a guy who had a prison ministry sharing the gospel to murderers. He said there were always two kinds of killers. Those that wished they hadn't pulled the trigger before the bullet even left the barrel and those that could sit down and eat a cheeseburger after having just peppered the sidewalk with grey matter. Fortunately most of the men he spoke to were the former and not the latter. It seems to me that Hernandez is the latter.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    the latter are called sociopaths trac. men like bundy, dahmer, gacy.

    that's a different breed maings. Hernandez just thinks he's a hood. he's going to find out in jail he isn't.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I bet his personality thrives there MB.

  • This is so cute. A little six year old girl singing an original song on America's Got Talent.


  • You guys are missing the obvious point about violence in sport. The most violent sports have the most violent people. In North America the two most violent sports are boxing and the NFL. Boxers are always getting into trouble for violent behavior and the NFL isn't far behind. I'm guessing MMA and Rugby have their fair share of violent miscreants.

    Michael Nunn is from my home town. He was the middleweight champ back in the late '80's. Every time he came home he got in trouble. He finally went away for distributing cocaine. When I was the money man for a 3-day festival, Michael Nunn lost a title fight in town to James Toney. He was winning the entire time and got tagged in the last round (Toney's nickname isn't "Lights Out" for nothing). All the cops I was working with were laughing about Nunn losing. At first I thought it was kinda shitty since he was a home town fighter. Then it dawned on me that almost all of these guys were probably in scraps with him at one time or another.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I think when you look at the NHL, you will see a flaw in your thesis Canada. Those guys beat the crap out of each other on the ice but you hardly ever hear of any NHL players getting into the kind of trouble NFL players do.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I would attribute that to most of the hockey players aren't coming from the toughest part of town. Most of them haven't been in and out of trouble all their lives. I'm not saying Canada doesn't have tough parts of town. However, for the most part there aren't a lot of projects that concentrate the poverty and lack of hope that leads to a lot of violent crime. Also, it costs a ton of money to have your kid in hockey. If you're poor, that ain't happening. Between the equipment, ice time and travel I'm guessing most parents drop at least 2 grand/year for each kid in hockey.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Holy shit, Canada. That much to have a kid in hockey?

    Dang, you crazy Canadians really love that game.

    That's probably why football and hockey will never replace soccer as the global game.

    It cost like, what, 5 bucks for soccer. I knew poor kids who would just make a soccer ball out of duct tape. A whole lot of duct tape...

  • It's expensive for sure. The parents have to buy the kids equipment, pay for ice time (practice and games), refs for the games and travel on top of it. None of it goes through the schools. You start adding up for skates, pads, sticks, helmets, gloves, etc. It really adds up. I have a co-worker that had 3 sons in hockey at the same time. He never bitched about the cost but he was the one that told me about all the expenses. Lots of kids play pickup games on ponds (shinny) but the organized sport really adds up.

  • My favorite sports in order are NFL, pro cycling, MLB and NHL. I'd rather watch bowling or curling than soccer. As if the sport isn't boring enough already they have all these sissy Mary's diving all over the field. Have a little pride ya fuckin' wankers. Apparently the diving trend has spread to the NBA (another sport I haven't watched in 40 years).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The problem is that they get the calls. So it's just smart play, despite the panseyness of it.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I get that Dave but I just can't get excited about a sport that is so rampant with divers.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    lebron could play for spain.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll take your word for it MB, I've never seen him play. If that gives you any idea how much I like basketball.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm with you on that my man... I watched 3 games the whole season. Games 5, 6, and 7 of the finals.

    Lebron is an amazing player, but he dives a lot. I'm sure the guys more familiar with the NBA can name off much worse divers, but I saw him pull some good ones.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Flopping in soccer seems to be much more dramatic than in basketball. If a guy flops in basketball his ass hits the ground he'll look around for a call complain to the ref and get back to playing ball. In soccer, these guys seem to go down like they've just been taken out by a sniper. They'll roll around writhing in pain as if a simple slide tackle just caused a serious leg injury. The next thing you know, the guy is back up running around like nothing happened. Drama queens.

  • In reply to Shady:

    One of the main reasons, I think, the American public can't fall in love with soccer is the way it is filmed.

    Sure, strategists love the big panned out camera, showing the runs and what not players make to create opportunities.

    However, no one can truly appreciate the skill shown by even the bottom of the barrel players in the premier league. A close up shot of their feet would interest a lot of people.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    I know Rex Ryan would be interested.

  • In reply to Shady:


    Only the poor leagues where they play bare foot though...

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The only sport I follow is football. I keep track of other Chicago teams because I listen to sports radio. I also don't own a television, so I'm not exactly cruising ESPN3 for the obscure like I did 20 years ago.

    But here is the list of "competitive events that some people call sports" that I enjoy watching in rough order:

    1) Football
    2) Golf
    3) Pool
    4) Tennis
    5) Basketball
    6) Futbol
    7) Boxing/UFC
    8) Hockey
    9) Baseball
    10) Racing (running, swimming, cycling)

  • Canada, I'm listening to my buddy's side project Innocuous Voodoo on public radio right now. I rarely get to see them because most of their shows are on Sunday nights, not starting until 10 pm. Their style is all over the board. Blues, jazz, funk, reggae, soul, NOLA, latin (Cuban and Puerto Rican), and some hippie music. Depending on the night, 8-10 person band. Dave is also the best sound guy around.

    What prompted the post was his answer to a question. Question: What are the main influences for this band? Answer: I love New Orleans music. The Meters, Professor Longhair, The Neville Brothers, and Dr. John.

    The band has a fantastic keyboard / Hammond B-3 player, and a really good backup guy. I think you would really enjoy parts of the local music scene, even for a guy with one step in the grave!

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    We're singing the first half and last chorus of Handel's "Israel in Egypt" Sunday and Tuesday for summer chorus here. Some stuff is just fun to do.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Sounds like I would be there on a lot of Sunday nights. It's too bad they start so late. What a pisser for you. I really think bar owners should start the shows with the demographic in mind. Blues bars would be better off starting earlier because the demographic is mostly old farts. What is the demographic for this band?

    If I'm ever within driving distance I guarantee I'll let you know and get together.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The main demographic is 20's to 30's hippies, but you see a lot of older people too. This band has a little older crowd. With La Crosse being a college and tourist town, you get a lot of people who work later in the restaurant business and college kids as the main crowds.

    The bar they play at, the Popcorn, has live music 7 days a week for the last 40 years. I think the problem with catering to the older crowd is that they might come down once in a great while on a Sunday, but most of those older peeps have kids and aren't a reliable customer base. Just a hunch.

  • Hernandez? Fuggim.
    Given the keys to the kingdom ... he melted them down into a turd necklace.

  • http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/26/tech/innovation/new-habitable-planets/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

    how's THAT shit GP. Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Those Kepler planets have 2x Earth Gravity.

    We'd have to send Cedric Benson and Herschel Walker to explore it, everyone else's legs would get tired.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Think of how Kim Kardashian's tits would sag on that planet.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I bet kim's tits were spectacular before the baby. big, full, milky, delicious. the rest of her sucks unfortunately.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nah, just fake. Just like everything else about her.

  • Anytime I comment on another blog, I am immediately reminded why this one is so great. You can say anything you like here, and nobody with the power to edit, delete, or banish your comment gets his panties in a knot about it, even if you call him an asshole or a fat lazy bitch.

    That is unheard of on political-type blogs, all of which are run by pathetic little nazi’s.

    Great post Jeff. The NFL Network is as unworthy of the sport as CN is of you.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I'll second that. There's real freedom of speech on here.(And by speech I mean sick hateful intelligent bile!). Well done Jefe. Kudos.

  • Gotta agree with ya Irish (and Crunch). Jeff does a great job of not getting his panties in a knot over our comments. I'm guessing part of that is because he doesn't read them very often but I totally respect his stance about the comments. Not to mention he had a chance to get in with SI if the comments were cleaned up and he passed.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Beargoggleson.com, in addition to being an awful name, is a SI platform.

    It has good tech, even iPhone app, and even inter-member private message system and lots of color photos, but I am not interested in a site that corporate. Opinions end up getting filtered and users banned, and it kills honesty and truthful commentary.

    Jimmy DA Gnome has terrible tech, this blog is like a VW Bus burning a quart of oil every 100 miles, but it works well enough to work and nobody comes knocking or sweeping up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Totally agree. When I was a kid I had a '63 Beetle. That analogy is spot on.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I posted on a blog with an opposite opinion of its main theme (political), and even backed up my opinion with sources. The comment was removed within a day. Every post on the site is just preaching to the choir. Bunch of cowardly bastards.

  • Wow. Turns out Hernandez is a psychopath and has killed before.


    He's like the Hannibal Lecter of the NFL. If, instead of being a brilliant Ph.D nearly always one step ahead of his captors, Lecter was instead a stupid fucking punk who killed sloppy.

    And instead of torturing his victims by slowly cutting them into food, he just popped a cap in their ass in a quarry, Sopranos style.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    still not a psycho maings, he had a motive... not just for fun.

    He's just a fucking thug, gangbanger wannabe.

    From what I've read real Psychos do it for the thrill/fun and can;t physiologically feel any empathy or compassion for their victims who are lots of the time totally random/opportunistic.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Actually, real psychos don't even get off on killing. Their heart rate goes up about as much as throwing out the trash.

    For any peeps who are into criminology or serial killers, check out this true psycho. Almost the textbook definition.


  • watched that thing when it was originally on.

    Scary motherfucker maing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    aaaaaand... 4:10.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I guess killing over 100 people for reasons other than sexual depravity, gambling, substance abuse, disqualifies one as a serial killer?

    Killing people for money is just considered an unusual profession in the eyes of psychiatry...

  • dude is definitely a sociopath without question... but would he have done all of it without 'vehicle' of the mob position and the money?

    Maybe, but he's not a night stalker or bundy who did it JUST for the shits and giggles.

    This guy is undoubtedly a fucking monster though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's a good question.

    When the interviewer asked him if he killed over 200, he said, maybe. "You got to understand that I killed about 100 without knowing anyone." By that, I think he means that he killed about 100 without knowing anyone from the mob, which the math holds up about right since he said he charged in the upper 5 figures for a hit and did it for about 20 years, officially I think.

    Unlike a lot of serial killers, most of his murders initially were unplanned. As he put it, 'usually loud mouths who would humiliate me and remind me of my father.' Every once in a while he would do a random murder, but even then he sort of had odd reasons, like shooting that guy with a cross bow just to see if it would work. But that was later, and his version of "research" as fucked up as that sounds.

    No, I definitely think he would have kept killing without the mob, but it probably would have been a lot less (pretty much based on how many times ppl pissed him off).

    The mob giving him money incentivized it though...like giving a 16 year old boy his first playboy and paying him to masturbate.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR2N-MizWZo&feature=player_embedded

    Oh he'll be guilty of murder next year alright... murdering his team' chances of beating us, or winning the NFCN, or going to the playoffs.

    Choke it rodgers.

  • any of you guys pilots?

    Wow: http://uncrate.com/stuff/saker-s-1-personal-jet/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No, but I've taken one flying lesson.
    Does that count?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    probably not... unless you'd be willing to try that thing out?

    You'd have bigger balls than me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If it was someone else's 7 million, sure - life is short.

    Although, I'd wager that mine would be even shorter if I DID give it a go.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

  • Hernandez did one thing and only one thing wrong in this whole situation.....he failed to kill these guys in Florida.

  • Any of you guys been following the zimmerman/martin trial?

    Man, that friend of his is really sticking her neck out for him. Kinda putting her neck on the line for him. She’s doing her best to keep her chin(s) up. I hope he didn’t ever neck with her. Couple times she choked up, might have had a frog in her throat

    I’m fucking Sorry!!!! I couldn’t resist… she’s just horrific looking. She just looks like everyone at the end of Total Recall when they get thrown out onto the mars surface.


    (did you see the tie-in GP… did you see it?!)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How many breasts does she have? Just sayin!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +37 points for all Paul Verhoeven drops.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I saw her on the news talking. I think the medical term is:

    Someone more educamated than me can confirm.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I would hate to run into her in a dark alley. She's fucking scary... and a moron.

  • Here my theory on the Hernandez motive. I believe Odin spilled the beans at the bar on the drive by double homicide from 2012 and Hernandez killed the Dude because he had too much to lose if it ever got out. That gents is why I think he got so angry. I think THAT is why the cops think he was involved in the prior murders. I rest my case.

    Be interested to see if I'm right.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That would be a pretty solid motive.

    Hernandez is going to get pinched hard because of the SUV rental car they just found. once they match it up with the renter he is fucked because it will either lead to a guy to rat on him or lead them to him directly.

    He is fucked because they are going to get him with DNA from the gum, his prints on the casings, the ballistics from the glock or other weapons that he owns, etc

    The 2 other guys with him are either in police custody or on the run. Someone will flip.

    There are too many loose ends not even counting the cell phone, the texts from the victim, the destruction of the surveillance system AFTER it already caught him on camera, the cleaning crew, etc.

    I'm sorry, if this guy doesn't get convicted i'm moving in with Canada up in Canada.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Johnny you're always welcome up here but unless you have a work permit, permanent residency or citizenship they will limit you to a 6-month stay (or less). I came up here right after 9/11 and immigration wasn't too happy with the US. After Bush blamed Canada for letting the terrorists sneak through from the North side of the border (even though they were enrolled in flight school in Florida) they made me jump through hoops. It took me a year to get a work permit and 2 years to get permanent residency (and I was married to a Canadian). It's my understanding that US immigration is even more difficult to work with.

    Hell, if OJ got off anything is possible.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'll sneak across the border inside the Stanley Cup when Toews brings it home to Winnipeg. Fucking pick me up man and I'll grow a beard and take a job on a fishing trawler out of Nova Scotia.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    dude's too fucking dumb maings. Not like he's a fucking mastermind, he's just another fucking thug with a gun... cept he runs real fast and can catch the ball like crazy. Sorry, could... I meant could.


  • http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/27/cops-impound-suv-that-may-connect-hernandez-to-2012-killings/

    It seems I wuz right.

  • MB, from what I've heard on this blog, your kind of a muscular guy. Kinda like this?


  • In reply to The Fifth:

    That's Jim McMahon in the wheelchair. I remember this photo - it was taken during the rehab period after the Martin hit. Jimbo covert would come around to cheer him up.

    By the bye - anyone see 'Behind the candelabra' ? Michael Douglas gives the performance of his lifetime as Liberace. He and Damon must have been laughing their asses off during the love scenes. Jesus. Very good though, and Rob Lowe as the plastic surgeon is priceless.

    Olympus has fallen? George Lucas couldn't come up with a plot as bizarre, but it was a good piece of entertainment (if you enjoy a lot of skull-shots and female politicians getting the blood kicked out of them).

    Small note to the designers of nuclear warhead software (or scriptwriters who don't want to look stupid) If there are three passwords to be entered, do the fucking error checking after the THIRD code has been entered.

    How far would a single Korean sub-sonic bomber get inland? The USAF only deems the threat worthy of sending two fighters to intercept it. After dealing with them, the thing destroys Washington D.C. with miniguns before doing circles around the White House. The USAF forgets that they have more than two jet fighters .... and send six choppers ... and ... oh jesus .... are scripts written by committees of 9 year olds now?

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Very very close corm.

    Here's a pic of me at my last bodybuilding competition. I'm second from the left: http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/bodybuilder-fail.jpg

    I only came in second. Oh well, always the bride's maid and never the bride.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw Dave, this is NOT what your friends mean by 'getting some wet pussy"


    take note.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I meant that fro corm not dave... not sure why I said dave.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn, MB, you'd be pretty popular around here in SF. They refer to your type as a 'twink'.

    Kidding, funny link tho.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    ; )

    I'm not homophobic whatsoever Ben so no worries maings. Gay dudes love me. Not sure if it's the build, the bald head, or my sparkling personality, but whatever. As long as they don;t try to grab my junk, I take it as a compliment. 'Sides they usually have great style, which gets a lot of respect from me.

  • In reply to The Fifth:


  • On the soccer tip. Can't get into it. Which is weird, because I can get into it during World Cup.

    Maybe it's the unis. They look like a bunch of clowns with ads all over them. During the World Cup, it seems much less gimmicky (and less flops).

    I guess it's like track and field. I only give a shit about it once every four years.

    I used to go to this Brit Pub to watch the matches because they really got into it. Lots of fun (World Cup) when watching it with die hards, but then they start talking about Manchester and the Spanish league, and that's when I stop giving a fuck.

    The rest of the world is lucky we treat soccer like that Brady sister whose name I don't even remember.

    If our best athletes from the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, Track and Field, Volleyball, etc would be obsessed with soccer like the rest of the world, we would instantly become better than Brazil.

    And that's the truth, not American ego.

    A lot of other countries are really into basketball, and we still dominate the Olympics with our J.V. team.

    And that's excluding guys like RG3.

    Heck, I think the US Soccer team, a team of left over athletes from our more popular sports, already performs better than Mexico and a lot of other soccer countries.

    I really don't think the rest of the world WANTS us to like soccer, which is fine by me.

  • If the USA were better than Brazil, then there would still be 21 teams in the world better than the USA.


  • wow, that list is pretty surprising this year.

    I had a SICK Côte d'Ivoire soccer shirt and I have NO idea where it went. Damn it, just realized I lost it.

  • Wowsers...

    Few suprises.

    1. Brazil should just be the default #1 every fucking year. Yeah, I know, every once in a while new contender comes around, an England, or Spain, or Germany, but I bet every time Brazil plays someone, Vegas has them as favs.

    2. Did I sleep a Van Winkle sleep and wake up 100 years in the future? When the hell did Colombia become a soccer powerhouse, enough to be ranked 7th in the world?! Ecuador at 10, Ivory Coast at 13?! WTF?

    3. Brazil at 22 is some funny shit. Even funnier is that U-S-A! is only 6 spots behind them at #28.

    So the U.S., who could care less about soccer, is already in the top 30 out of all those other countries who live and breathe soccer.

    I close my case.

  • uhhhhh... spain has been the fucking 600LB gorilla for like 4-5 years now since their WC win. I don't follow closely enough because of spotty US tv coverage, so DY or jeff can fill out my statement with real fact of wins...

    but you're ging to see how good they are against Brazil in the confed cup finals this sunday (http://www.fifa.com/confederationscup/matches/index.html). Like DY said I think it will be a 2 goal spread. Spain is just that fucking good (although I was shocked they tied 0-0 against italia)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, but hasn't Brazil been the 660lb gorilla for like 100 years?

    Hmm...I'll have to watch it this Sunday. I tried clicking on the link, but it didn't work for whatever reason. And I clicked on the "qualifiers" but the last one they had was on the 18th, so there's only one game left?

    Haven't really been keeping up this year with that like I normally do. I've been 'eh' about other sports in general more than usual. Caught ONE NBA final game, and caught a little of the NHL finals at a bar.

    Haven't even made it out to Dodger Stadium. I at least try to catch ONE baseball game, usually against the Giants or Cubs.

    I'm just twiddling my thumbs and counting down the day for football...are we there yet?

  • jan... her name was jan.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The NFL is "Marsha Marsha Marsha..."

    I would have totally boinked Marsha.

  • welcome: http://www.mandatory.com/2013/03/25/20-sexy-photos-of-busty-babes/1

  • http://www.chicagobears.com/events/training-camp.html

    Very short days. Mostly morning affairs now. No nighttime scrimmages open to the public.

    Trestman is putting in a secrecy regime.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well that sucks.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    as long as it translates into lombardis I don't give any fucks.

    I want everything the opposite of the way lovie did things. Hopefully they're actually, you know, hitting in fucking practice now. smh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha. Do everything the opposite of Lovie!

    In Seinfeld, George had an epiphany about that...maybe Lovie should have tried the same...


  • not everything, lovie did some stuff very well (see canada, I'm not totally biased)... just most things differently.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mostly on offense. Man, does anyone Lovie hired on O even work in the NFL anymore?

  • exactly. He SUUUUUCKED at anything to do with offense.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Under Lovie's watch the Bears were in double secret probation, now under Emery/Trestman it's apparently triple secret probation. Not all that different, it's still kind of a fuck you to the fans and media.

    Regarding hitting, the only guys that should be really hitting are the young pups on the bubble. The older vets don't need the extra wear and tear, we're talking about PRACTICE man, practice.

  • In reply to Shady:

    said perfectly by a dude who never played the game.

    Wow, that sounded a bit more harsh than it was meant to be.

    While I agree 100% with you about the vets, EVERYONE should practice and hit regularly. I'm not talking about bull in the ring drills every day, but not practicing in fb is like trying to pull off a big presentation at work without know what you're presenting beforehand (wow, that was a turrible analogy... I'll stop now)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The league has set strict standards on how often teams can have padded practices versus walkthroughs. They've also eliminated two-a-days from schedules. The vets can take time off from a 101 class they already have a PhD in but the NFL has already regulated how and when teams can practice because of brain injuries. So as much as you'd like to replicate your days as a hard hitting white safety at some junior college or whatever those days are gone.

  • In reply to Shady:

    that hurts. I have feelings too shady. It was a DII powerhouse (and an excellent academic institution), not a JC.... Jerk. *sniff*

    And taking away practicing the right way to tackle in practice leads to exactly what these absurd rules look to stamp out.

    'More totally ineffective football rules made up by by geeks who have no idea about actually playing football'

  • In reply to Shady:

    I HATED two-a-days. Or "hell week". Nothing like getting up at 6am and hitting someone when your brain is still dreaming about Cindy Crawford.

    Then, come back later when it's about 90 degrees (in a plastic helmet with plastic cushions) and run and hit some more.

    It always seemed more punitive than strategic. I never saw them as giving any sort of edge on game days months later. Mostly, everyone bitched about it, which might have been the point...the whole "brother in arms" camaraderie, which develops anyways unless the coaches are that bad.

    That's what happened with my B-ball team. The coaches were horrible, and we actually wanted the J.V. coach coaching us because even though he was younger, he was better. So the team just sort of drifted through the season sucking and not caring.

    Heck, I quit for two days, but then returned. It inspired the team so much that we played our hearts out the next game and only lost by 4. Life isn't like Disney.

    However, I did find out that day that I wasn't a quitter. A lesson I remember to this day.

  • I have VERY strong thoughts on hell week and practice and what it does/is meant for... but I won't bore you guys with it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nah, I think I get it. It's like a drill Sargent - they're always going to want to put the recruits through hell.

    And maybe the two-a-days are meant more as "character" builders than for competitive edge. I get that in H.S. or younger.

    But honestly, I don't think they made me any tougher. I mean, when I quit the B-ball team for two days then returned, I wasn't like "Hey, I survived two-a-days, I can survive anything."

    For me, I don't know. I just didn't LIKE quitting. It fucking bothered the shit out of me more than the shitty coaches and season. Maybe I'm just stubborn that way. That's my personal take though.

    The hitting I think a player does need just for the body to get accustomed to technique. That's why shadow boxing is not enough - need a sparring partner.

    Problem is - CONCUSSIONS.

    Football full speed at any level will always be susceptible to them...and I'm just thinking how I would feel if my 12 year old kid got concussed in practice...probably not be too thrilled about it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    let me boil it down to a poignant single sentence...

    football hell week(s) made me a lot of the man I am today.

    How that? Here are some key words that went into that thought: competitiveness, struggles, best friends, trenches, commitment, perseverance, leadership.

    That all said I was the team captain type of dude, and if you're not by nature then they wouldn't have had the same impact... we also had a very competitive team my 10-12 grade years so there was big school pride and expectations on the line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kickin' it Oldskool!

  • I've had the same complaints about ESPN in the past. They want to play nice with all their friends so they can keep getting lucrative contracts to broadcast games. So when it comes to something a little hinky..like oh say the NBA finals magically going to a game 7 thanks to a lot of whistles.. well they dont say peep. Same goes for dirty plays, HGH using players, the constant parroting of worth of ridiculous rules like bannin Ricky Williams and others due to smoking a plant while others get into drunken fights on the regular. etc etc etc
    In short ESPN is just as bad.

  • dude: http://uncrate.com/stuff/watercar-panther/

  • little late, but I'm sure you guys will enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goQgXENzE0I

  • This whole bubblegum thing...
    Dude, it's obvious he is a lunk, but I'm starting to buy Shady's brain damage theory.
    How do you get THAT stupid?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i know you're kidding mang. If someone brings up CTE for this, even in jest, I have to kill myself.

  • I may take my kids to family fest on Aug 3 at Soldier field.

    This has, at times, been a clusterfuck by the Bears - but I think they did better last year and hopefully if I can skip the $46 parking at the Adler, it would be a good time.

  • Hey, MB, continuing on our "hell week" convo from up there (damn you gnome!) - I think your context was probably different than mine.

    Our H.S. was not all-state. Made CIF but that's about it.

    Different players/coaches have different takes on it even in the NFL. Some swear by it, others don't.

    I mean, there were some slave drivers like Saban who just bombed in the NFL, but his program seems to work in college.

    Then, you had the Lovies and Dungy who were "player's coach" and they were a heck of a lot more successful than some Sabans.

    I sort of find it analogous with the military. Some, like my half-bro, swear by it and think the military should be mandatory for all young men.

    Others like one of my close friends hated it, and tell anyone who will listen to never join because it's all b.s.

    They both went on to have successful lives, good jobs, family, etc...just different strokes for different folks as they say.

  • yep, agree with your assessment on this 100% my man.

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