Thoughts on Brian Urlacher's Retirement

Thoughts on Brian Urlacher's Retirement

I am not going to write a poetic rambling on the importance of Brian Urlacher to the Chicago Bears over the last thirteen years. There will be plenty of those in the Tribune, the Sun-Times and on the various web outlets over the coming days. Instead I'll compile my thoughts in list form as they are far less connected than would be necessary for a full column.

  • Brian Urlacher is a great Chicago Bears, a most-likely Hall of Fame linebacker, but his immortal status is marred by his lack of championship. Think of it this way. If Charles Tillman and Lance Briggs win a title in the next few year with the Bears, which of the players will be viewed in a more positive light come a decade or two.
  • My two favorite moments in Urlacher's career:  (1) When he stripped Edgerinn James in the "who we thought they were" Cardinals comeback there was a look on his face that read WE WILL NOT BE DEFEATED TONIGHT. It was an implausible play in an implausible contest and one of the most memorable sporting events of my lifetime. (2) In Nashville, this season, watching a hobbling Urlacher live as he rumbled an interception to the house for a touchdown. It seemed to take him ten minutes to go forty yards. It was made more heroic when I watched Urlacher limp - literally limp - into the tunnel at the end of the rout.

  • He affected opponent game plans as much as any non-pass rusher in the sport. Per Andrew Brandt, "Don't remember another defensive player that affected game-planning for us in GB like Urlacher did."
  • He is one of the best regarded teammates in the modern NFL. Cameron Worrell has done a terrific job for this site on Urlacher-in-the-locker room. CLICK HERE to listen to one such broadcast.
  • Spare me the Brian Urlacher-Ray Lewis comparisons. Because Urlacher is not the greatest middle linebacker in NFL history does not make him a not great middle linebacker.

The Bears should not waste time in celebrating Urlacher's career. They don't need to retire his number immediately but they should set up a microphone at the 50 yard line at halftime of the home opener against the Bengals. They should march Urlacher onto the field and have him say goodbye. Yes, it will be nice for him. But more importantly it will give a thankful fan base the opportunity to applaud him one last time.

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  • I'm glad he retired instead of dragging out this 'ultimatum' bullshit....oh wait.

    In a serious light I don't see him being a 1st ballot HoF, but he will get in at somepoint. Thank you #54 for helping me become a Bears fan.

    Here's hoping you don't do a Favre. Save what little dignity you still have.

  • Brian I wish you the very best as you move to the next chapter in your life. Man, you gave me lots of thrills and reasons to cheer in the last 13 years. I am sure that this next chapter of your life will be equally rewarding. You were great man. One of the very best.

  • Whether he likes it or not, this outburst marred his rep:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/17/urlacher-i-dont-care-about-fans-media/

    I also thought he was over-rated, as did other players in the league. Source:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-12-16/sports/0412160332_1_brian-urlacher-nfl-scouts-overrated

    Look how many votes he got from scouts and other players.

    His Child Support bullshit was bullshit when it was revealed he was paying $1500/mo. in child support for that kid. That's less than I paid BACK THEN. That was his big name lawyer pushing around some small town lawyer and his baby mama.

    He was a rangy, fast linebacker and played about 3 years too long. At his best, he was freakish in his ability to range and break up passes, because of his strong safety roots.

    But he never could shed a block to save his life, and his blitzing was never anything to crow about. When he had huge Tommie Harris and Ted Wash tackles in there and could roam un-blocked, his elite speed helped him tremendously.

    I also AP and the Bus run him over like roadkill.

    He was a mixed bag. His legacy has a lot to do with the color of his skin.

  • What a relief. We won't have to bear the ignominy of seeing #54 stumbling around in Cardinal Red or some other such ugliness

    Dan Patrick had him on this morning. Brian didn't sound like a man with "Narcissus Disease".

    Here's the link:

    http://www.danpatrick.com/2013/05/22/brian-urlacher-explains-why-he-decided-to-retire/

  • Guess $2M for one year WASN'T such an insulting an offer.

    The Bears TRIED to do the right thing. A POX on Urlacher's agent for looking out for himself instead of his client..

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Kreutz and Lack's agents fucked them, royal.

  • "I didn't want to put someone else's jersey on to tell you the truth," Urlacher said.

    Common man. THIS is what disgusts me about this whole thing canada... if GB or Minny would have offered him the right deal he would have been gone.

    Yuck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So what? You've never put a spin on something? Please. At times I think you guys are vying for the snarkiest poster on the blog trophy. Pretty sure it doesn't exist.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Is there a trophy?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    it's mine! Hands off DY!

    You bastard, I work too hard being a snarky asshole just to have you swoop in and take the blog snarky trophy from under me! Hands off, she's mine!

    ...uhhhh canada... you ok maings? This is a men's blog and we do tend to fuck around and make fun of everything... at least that's my MO. It's ok, he was an amazing LB and no one's denying that. but he did 100% cheapen his legend with what he did this off season. It's sad and it sucks, but he deserves all the shit he's getting here. Sorry.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Truly don't agree. Carry on.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    will do.

    semicolon, right parenthesis.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Who cares what the man said? Yea, he would've played for another team but he didn't and retired a Bear. He was the heart and soul of of our team for a long time!!! No need to hate on him now.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    right on, Jersey

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Correction. If GB, Minny's or the Meow's MLB go down, Lach STILL might put on their unis.

  • Yep could easily see this happening.

    Like the new pic Butch.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Too bad the gnome code could make a Picasso painting appear like a fuzzy near sided mole painted it.

    But apparently, Jeff's not leaving Gnome-landia.

    The avatar is of Bmarsh celebrating a TD vs the Meows.

  • Looks like he is trying to burst out the borders of the image.

    Gravatar can send a representative to my house with a free blowie before I use their service.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Meh. 99% of that rhetoric was/is AgentSpeak.

  • from my question yesterday: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/us/oklahoma-tornado-basements/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    Makes no sense to me. Fuck man, those kids. Jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    wow, two for two: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/21/who-hears-prayersforoklahoma/?hpt=hp_c2

  • try not to shed a tear guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WwriXWtL9Xo#!

  • I'm glad he retired instead of taking a bullshit offer somewhere for league minimum.

    Bears tried to do right by him at least.

    Trot him out in front of the fans, get him some endorsement money and it's all good.

    Thank you for your effort and the memories Brian.

    Can Lance Briggs stop acting all butt hurt now?

  • You know Briggs is acting that way because it will be his turn down that road in the near future. All of these guys think it will end on their terms and it almost never does. After all the cheers, money and notoriety it's a kick in the pants.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    It helps when a player doesn't get all butt hurt when the fans boo because the team is playing like shit.

    Chicago ain't New York, but it ain't Jacksonville either. If they get out there and go three and out for the fourth time, or can't stop the run and are getting gashed out there, fans start to let them hear it.

    All that butt hurt about "Chicago is the only place the home team gets booed", that's some BS. And then, to pile on by saying "fans suck anyway". Oh yeah. Fans suck. You wish you could get paid what you get paid and play in empty stadiums, that would suit you just fine, eh Brian?

    It really, really, really helps if you want to be loved in a town, to not spit at the fans. Otherwise, they will reject you. And that is what Brian is seeing.

    He can choose to pick up his check and go home to Arizona. We can also choose to devalue his legacy and be happy he's off the tv.

  • Yeah I dont get all the Brain hate. Dude lashed out at a time when he was a bit upset and hurt. And I'm sure years and years of PED's (Dude they all take em. No HGH testing? Really?) didnt really help him to be steady emotionally. But he served the Bears for 4 more years than Butkus did and played at a high level throughout. I'll miss seeing him suited up, sitting in the middle of the field waiting to lay someone out. Nothing says the Bears of the 2000's more than seeing 54 in the middle barking out orders to the D and then leading by example. Thanks for the memories Brian.

  • By that logic, the fans can't be blamed for booing the Bears playing like shit because they were all shitfaced that day.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You'll never hear me complain about fans booing or cheering. You show up and pay your $ you can heckle or praise all you want.

  • btw, doc, rabbit, and I were at that game. (Packers in Dec)
    The fans weren't booing the players that game, they were booing lovie's/the coach's ineptitude.

    Can't remember what he did, but it was another just fucking moronic move and the crowed erupted in boos at lovie and/or tice. I think they had to call a timeout because they couldn't get the play in... it was inside the 20 and the ha;f was running down if memory serves.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I may be wrong, but I think they called two timeouts on that same drive. Now I'll go look it up.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    We are both wrong, but kinda right. The Bears just got a big pass interference call and had 1st and goal in the 3rd quarter. Lovie called a TO because they couldn't get a play called for the umteenth time during the season. Then on the next drive, they wasted another TO for not getting a play in on time. That came back to haunt them late in the game, along with Alshon Jeffrey getting called for 3 or 4 PI calls, one of which cancelled a TD and another that cancelled a 36 yard catch late in the game. The booing was definitely because of the coaching.

  • I'm back, biatches, like the terminator.

    Jeff went on Vaca-ca, so did I. Too bad I had a lot of shit going on this past month, or else I would have got Jeff drunk until he woke up naked by the Hollywood sign with coked out whores. Ahh, thems were the days.

    Anyhow, now that there's finally something of note to return too, (Lach's "retirement"), I figure it's a good time to unleash my new slick avatar. And after much deliberation...

  • Who's to say that Jeff wasn't doing that anyway?

  • Selecting which Bear to use as the avatar, behind the music...

    It was harder than I thought. A lot of the guys I wanted were on D, but I'm not sure how long they're gonna be here for.

    Pepp might get cut because of his massive cap hit next year, unless he re-structures (esp if Jay wants $20M/yr).

    Peanut, Jennings are on the last year of their contracts, and Melton, who knows?

    Briggs has been in my dog house ever since his "I'll never wear a Bear uniform again" BS, and he might already be replaced anyways by Bostic/DJ/Greene.

    Then we switch to Offense, and there's not much to write home about.

    Jay is also on his last year. Forte and Bmarsh seem like the only legit playmakers who'll stick, and if Jay goes, who knows how Beast will react.

    I was going to make our first round pick my new avatar, then we selected Long, so I'll hold off on that for a bit.

    Don't you guys miss my wacky rants?

    Muah.

  • I was getting to like the little Maltese. Not long after I insulted its doghood, my very dogly Husky found a rotting carcass in the woods and rolled around in it.

  • THE BEAST!!!

    Much better than fluffy my man. Welcome back.

    btw, how come you haven't offered to assist me with waking up next to coked out (but insanely hot LA) whores? Selfish bastard.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're Jessy the Bod Ventura. You can get your own coked out whores. You already fancy fake boobs, so you're a step ahead!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrDG4sPul8w

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha...sexual tyrannosaurus

    I think you just found yourself a good nickname. I won't call you that cause that'd just be weird, but feel free to refer to yourself as that.

  • Dude, Sharon Stone is 55 and fucking sexy as all git out.

    http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/the-66th-annual-cannes-film-festival-premiere-slideshow/

  • dude, roll through some of those shots. Hollyweird is just that.... yikes!

    Some of those people are fucking scary.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hey if I was railing coke like Sam Hurds roomba and I looked like some of them at their age, I wouldn't complain. I'd just line up some more.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Definitely. And some attractive women in some absolutely HIDEOUS outfits.

  • Poor Cindy Crawford. Just "falling apart" at 47.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Cindy Crawford is one of those all time beauties. Elle McPherson is another. I could name every supermodel from the late 80's and through the 90's and they are all still super hot.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Jane Fonda, on the other hand, is a freak of nature. She has yet to develop a wrinkle and she's 75. And her boobs have gotten bigger and firmer as she's aged. She is an amazing human specimen with a brilliant mind. Don't believe me? Ask her.

  • Thought it was interesting that the 1st 5 are pretty much the same for most folks just in different order with Lach at #6. After that it's all up in the air.

    http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/9301699/nfl-greatest-linebackers

  • Derrick Thomas gets shafted for the way he went out.

    In his prime, he was LT part 2.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    agreed. DT was unstoppable. I still can't believe he broke his neck in that accident and died later.

  • This is an informative article from one of my ascending writers. It projects the offensive line rankings for 2013, but provides how both Pro Football Focus (first #), and Football Outsiders (second #) ranked each team for 2012. The first (#) projects how many starters are returning (though not necessarily starting, like Carimi).

    Here's the Bears info:

    28. Chicago Bears (3) [Garza, Webb, Carimi]

    2012 Run Block Rankings: 19, 16
    2012 Pass Block Rankings: 28, 24

    LT: Jermon Bushrod*
    LG: Matt Slauson*
    C: Roberto Garza
    RG: Kyle Long*
    RT: J'Marcus Webb
    Super Sub: T/G Gabe Carimi

    Overview: After an abysmal year of line play, GM Phil Emery used his first-round pick (Long) and largest free-agent signing (Bushrod) to address the front five. The Bears need lots of help, because they're gearing up to play pass-first offense under rookie coach Marc Trestman. If the Bushrod addition works as planned, Chicago will upgrade two positions with the move, as 24-year-old Webb kicks to the other side. The team played 2012 musical chairs at right tackle, with Carimi and journeyman Jonathan Scott both failing. While the unit looks improved on paper, that’s not saying very much, and the Bears still lack a top-end starter at any of the five spots. This O-Line remains a work in progress.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43265/179/2013-offensive-line-rankings?pg=3

  • Have to agree 100% with: "While the unit looks improved on paper, that’s not saying very much, and the Bears still lack a top-end starter at any of the five spots. This O-Line remains a work in progress."

    It was a pretty good start (I hope). We'll see what actually happens on the field this year and hopefully PE will continue to focus on improving the oline every year.

  • So basically,

    PFF ranked the 2012 Bears Oline:

    19th in run blocking
    28th in pass blocking

    Football Outsiders ranked them

    16th run blocking
    24rth pass blocking

    According to both, we were middle of the pack in run blocking, and abysmal in pass blocking, which jibes with what my own eyes witnessed.

    I still think being projected 28th (behind the Cowboys, no less) is too low.

    True, we're going to trot out a whole new unit, which always takes time to gel. Also, a whole new O is implemented, and that might lead to a few unnecessary sacks due to miscommunication, etc.

    But I think the Bears will after an initial shaky start, scrapping out some wins, will hit good form mid-season, and really start doing some damage (if relatively healthy).

    I think we need to get to 15th in pass-blocking, and 11-ish in run-blocking to make a serious run.

    Ravens followed a similar path last year (their Oline got changed up all the way until the playoffs), and we're built in much the same way.

  • Gotta agree. Not to mention the plan is to get the ball out quickly. That should make a huge difference.

  • I don't know if this has been posted but I like what the Cardinals did for Urlacher. http://bearsfam.com/?p=354

  • That's cool.

    That had to be the single craziest bear game ever. Lach was a man possessed out there.

    I still kick myself for leaving Luigi's Ortega with about 3 mins left cause I thought all was lost, only to get home and find out they somehow won that fucking game.

    First time I tried alligator and kangaroo tacos, too.

    Crazy night.

  • That has to be the most random fucking post of the year..

    "First time I tried Alligator and Kangaroo tacos..." Where you on anything before the game? lol

  • As many here have come to know, I like trying off the beat stuff.

    As for food, I pretty much try anything once. Living in Cali, there's all kinds of crazy cuisine, from fusion, to straight out immigrant dishes no one has heard of.

    Eating unusual meals makes you re-think about why certain foods are "socially acceptable" while others are not.

    I had no problem eating alligator, though it was a little tough and chewy, so maybe that's why it ain't popular.

    Kangaroo pretty much tasted like dry chicken, but I felt guilty eating kangaroo, so that's probably part of our decision making as to what we eat (I'd probably feel guilty eating Koala tacos).

    Some stuff though, I think I'd pass on. My chinese-cambodian cousin-in-law told me that they have a dessert where it's congealed rat blood, or something like. They eat it cool like yogurt, but screw that!

  • I'm WAY adventurous with my eating, but not cold rat blood adventurous

  • I did the same thing, only at the half. Damned if I was going to stay up late and be dragging my ass all the next day just to watch them get blown out...

  • I've been reading #54 was hurt a lot. That's BS. He missed all but 2 quarters of 1 season. Other than that he missed 11 games in 12 years. Ten out of 13 seasons he didn't miss a game.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yeah, he could have pulled that muscle memory bull and sat out the whole year while his teammates got their asses kicked. I do agree 54 left it out on the field....other than tickling the other team's asses during games, I thought he played his ass off.

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    #54 was one of the best LB's while he played. That's good enough for me. Early in his career he needlessly went through part of a season acting like an A-hole to the press. After that, he grew up and became the leader on D. The last couple years Olin was here Lach became the team co-leader. Then took the mantle once Olin left. He bitched to the media few times too many and no doubt stepped on his dick when he was bitching about the fans. However, the Bears have some of the dumbest fans on the planet and I totally understood what he meant. Cutler was seen coming off the field at halftime to boos and mouthing to a teammate, "Can you believe these fucking fans?". There are a ton of drunken idiots at the games and they love to be heard. Oh well. Hope he makes the Hall and the Bears give him a little send off at a game this year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Well said.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Brian Urlacher is #3 all-time for the Chicago Bears with 180 starts.

    'nuff said.

  • @ProFootballTalk 26s
    Arthur Brown had sports hernia surgery http://wp.me/p14QSB-8Xoh

  • That might be why we took a pass on him.

    Could it be that we actually have intel now?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    +1

  • In reply to gpldan:

    meh, I had mine done right after spring training my freshman year in college, besides a scar in my discomuff... I was totally fine 4 weeks later.

  • I feel more sadness for Urlacher now then when I knew he might play for another team.

    I didn't want him to retire just yet but in the end, he had to.

  • What makes me feel a little bad for him is that he's ALWAYS going to be an afterthought to Lewis.

    Lewis is going to go up there in his yellow blazer, do his dance one last time, preach some crazy shit that riles up the crowd and the networks, talk about how it feels to win TWO SB rings, flashing those stars for all to see...probably start crying, make others start crying, maybe those victim's family and him reconcile at Canton...

    Ok Lach, you're up...

  • Thanks Butch! Just in case I wasn't already bummed enough!

  • Of course, there was the murder thing...

  • I think Ray Lewis is going to be on ESPN next year. After 5 years of that people will hate him (if he makes it that long).

  • Anybody hear when Jeff is moving Da Blog?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Funny thing Murph, I was just thinking the same thing!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I got sick of looking at the ChicagoNow toolbox logo at the top left of the page, so I blocked it with AdBlocker, and now it appears as a link that says “ChicagoNow is full of win.”

    Can’t fucking win.

  • Oof. Pack being stung by the injury bug already and their top safety isnt signing. Ruh roh. Crabtree down for a good chunk of time as well. Being in Nor Cal you either have to love or hate the Niners. I happen to be in the latter group.

  • The way I see it, Angelee did such a horrible job drafting for the future, Urlacher was lulled into a false sense of security at his position. It would have been great if the Bears had of drafted his replacement 2 or three years ago and I would have never witnessed Brian being tossed about like a rag doll by blockers for the last 2 years. Regardless, Brian was special from this fans point of view, but he did stick around just a little too long.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I thought he performed well coming off of the wrist surgery and then the next season before the end of season injury. He was at the end but he was still effective on a big part of a top 10 D for the last couple of years. Last year was hard to watch.

    DJ Williams or Bostic running and patrolling the middle will look like they are in fast forward compared to what we saw last year.

    For what it's worth, the guy toughed it out and played with knee and hammy pain not to mention neck and wrist after effects. Can't say enough about his toughness.

  • The Nigerian nightmare that went up to an ex-British soldier and hacked off his head with a meat clever in the streets of UK, then walks up to the camera and starts talking shit about how - in his country - women have to see this but he's REALLY sorry and all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EROXP8JDG9M

    You can be sure shit like this is coming to U.S. shores soon, if it came to the UK already.

    #beready

  • In reply to gpldan:

    People are going absolutely insane over here about this. The few times I have seen people discussing on facebook has majorly been rampant racism and discrimination. One guy I used to know back in high school thinks that any family the guy has should be rounded up and executed.

    I don't even know what to say anymore.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    what was the back story on this DY? Is the dude an extremist muslim? Why the talk about the women? Was there a reason he killed THAT guy, or was it just wrong place wrong time?

    ...or is he just some random fucking crazy dude?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/eyewitnesses-describe-crazed-attackers-hacking-victim-by-woolwich-barracks-8628011.html

    Seems like just crazy dudes maing. Like the dude who chewed off that bum's face.

    WTF?!?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    maybe not: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terror-at-woolwich-barracks-attacker-tried-to-behead-and-disembowel-british-soldier-8627647.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm giving it a day or two for the inital mass hysteria to die down before I make a judgement on the guy or even attempt to fully explain it. It's fucked up, and while this guy has provided a religious excuse it detracts from the fact that he used a machete.

    Knife crime in the UK is a big deal, and they may conveniently ignore this fact to pursue the terrorist angle. I don't live in a city (closest to me is Edinburgh) and the town where I live currently has a population of less than 10,000 and deaths have happened just from stabbings that have escalated from football 'debates' and such far too often.

    I realise this is a bit of a sidestep from the issue at hand, as the guy wasn't exactly hiding the blade and attacking at night or in an alley, but still, nothing gets done over here.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    two words for you my man...

    Conceal. Carry.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bingo. Bingo.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, no one is really talking too much about these Chechnyans and that those brothers killed 3 dudes on the anniversary of 9/11 back in 2011 and then this guy they had to shoot today who admitted that he and those brothers did that crime.

    Umm...it's a terrorist attack. Chechnyan Muslims are now responsible for killing 6 citizens and wounding like 290 that we know of?

    If this shit gets any more crazy you're going to see a major blowback on the muslim communitiies in the US. Shit will go down like "The Seige" with Denzel.

  • The Detroit area has the largest concentration of Islamic background US citizens and people from the middle east living there.

    It's THOSE communities that have to stop sitting on their hands. All they want to say is "we're not all terrorists". And that's true. Some are doctors and engineers and useful citizens.

    But they are too silent. They have to radically denounce these clerics and Jihadists. And they aren't. That's what pisses me off.

    I'm Irish and plenty of people from my family denounced the IRA and the violence against Brits and made a pariah of Sinn Fein. Now it's the US citizens who follow Islam to step up and marginalize radical thought.

    If they don't, it will grow. Hatchet man was a Nigerian. Nigerians are something else. Fuck any idea of racism, I have black friends and blah blah - but I won't step into a Nigerian cab and if there is one nationality I am afraid of on sight, it's them. That's not racism, that's nationalism or whatever - but Nigerians are fucking nuts.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Also, if you play that video - that Nigerian has a perfect east ender accent. He's home grown. DYL can probably say more, but that guy was radicalized on the internet just as the Brittle Brothers were.

    The threat is radical ideas and unemployment, year after year of social downward mobility meets websites that show people how to make bombs. That's not a good cocktail.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've been saying the same thing for years - the American Muslim community has got to be a LOT more strident in their denunciation of jihadist acts and terrorism. I know probably 99% of them abhor this stuff as much as we do but SAY something and keep saying it. The assholes are getting al the air time (and influence)...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Tobi, the fact that they say nothing should tell you something about how much they care.

    Either that, or fear of consequences. In which case, they should just denounce Islam. Oh wait, they murder apostates too...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dan, don't be a douche.

    Timothy McVeigh was a Christian--and, even more than that, he was affiliated with extremist Christian groups (the CSA among them)--but did we demand Christians "denounce" McVeigh to prove that they, too, weren't terrorists?

    There are plenty of examples of Muslims condemning terrorism, en masse.

    http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

    One very recently, too:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4938877/PM-and-Muslim-leaders-unite-to-condemn-attack.html

    One reason why you might think they're "silent" on terrorism is that it doesn't play well in the media to publicize people condemning terrorism, but it does make for great video when we show South Asians or Middle Easterners burning American flags, etc. Another reason you might think Muslims are "silent" on terrorism is that for 90% of the world's Muslims, there is no clerical hierarchy--there's no church, no pope, no figurehead who speaks out on behalf of the believers.

    But either way, it's disingenuous, bordering on outright lying, to say that Muslims aren't denouncing jihadis.

  • i get your point but I think it's funny when McVeigh is the guy that is brought up everytime when someone tries to point out the truth of who's doing the vast majority of the fucking bombings and killings in the name of the almighty.

    McVeigh dude, it was in fucking 1995. NINETEEN NINETY FIVE.

  • McVeigh is the go-to example. Eric Randolph. Kaczyinski. The Colorado movie theater shooter. Take your pick.

    It's time to stop stigmatizing people for the fact that they share a belief system with nutjob extremists of that same belief system.

  • Bleed, we're talking about GLOBAL JIHAD that has been going on forever. It's a fucking belief system man, not some random dude going off the deep end.

    As I type this another act of Jihad is happening somewhere purpetrated by a card carrying member of Islam.

    I'm certainly not stigmatizing muslims that don't participate in Jihad for saying or agreeing with someone who says that the response from Islamic groups regarding horrendous actions STRICTLY IN THE NAME OF ALLAH has been almost less than lip service.

    McVeigh was anti government dude, he didn't attack the FBI building because of religious beliefs.

    The unibomber was against what he saw as the techno-industrial complex.

    Eric Rudolph wanted to disrupt the Olympic games because he was against the gov't policy of readily available abortion.

    The Colorado shooter was mentally ill and had failed at life seeing this kind of destruction as his only control.

    Sorry bro, your examples are shit.

    You have got to be kidding me if you think you can even equate any of these individual examples to a belief held by thousands, hundreds of thousands or possibly millions of people that Jihad is an acceptable means of resistance against the infidel oppressor and that the murder of non muslims in the course of the attacks is completely acceptable.

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE.

  • You clearly know nothing about what you're talking about, and I'm done trying to convince you otherwise.

  • unacceptable answer. I'll drop it because it won't matter what you and i argue about, it's going to keep happening and you can stick your head further and further in the sand every time.

  • bleed, you can't be serious dude. GP isn't being the douche my man... he's 100% right.

    How many 'stop the violence' parades by the muslim community have you seen on the news? How many imams publically and continuously denounce? How many mosques do a little homework about their more... 'energetic' members and alert the authorities... maybe some, but entire communities?

    You are in the wrong dude, not GP.

    Also, he's 100% right about the Nigerians. It's even worse in africa. They moved into Cape town and Joburg and are basically a HUGE part of the violent crime element wherever they go... even the south african black tribes are terrified of them.

    They are a fucking scourge. they also do a big portion of the interwebz crime (phishing, catfishing, etc...) Just fucking nasty people, not cause they're black, cause they're Nigerian. Life means nothing to those people... even less than normal africa.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How many "stop the violence" parades have there been held by Christian communities when Christians perpetrated terrorist violence?

    And, for your request:

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/12/29/95697.html

    http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/79122/

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/Muslims+protest+against+terrorism/4/2316.html

    http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

    http://www.kamranpasha.com/blog/?p=68

    Plenty of examples of Muslims denouncing terrorism, protesting against terrorism, and conducting "stop the violence" parades.

    Why don't we see them on the news? Same reason why in the past year we get 92 stories on the British royal family vs. 12 stories about global warming. What sells? What will people WANT to watch? Muslims peacefully gathering and protesting against terrorism by extremists? That's not interesting.

    There is plenty of "homework" being done by mosques in the US nowadays. Mosques are actively cooperating with local and federal authorities. Not all mosques, of course, but quite a few. I do not think that the FBI, local authorities, or even posters on this site expect Christian churches or Jewish synagogues to police their members to the degree we seem to expect mosques to.

    And here's a little capper for you on that thought:

    http://www.mediafreedominternational.org/2011/12/05/fbi-agents-responsible-for-majority-of-terrorist-plots-in-the-united-states/

    Yep, FBI surveillance and informants placed in mosques are so efficient that we're creating more terrorist plots.

    Tell me Christians or Jews would tolerate that shit going on in their houses of prayer.

    Again, there are plenty of examples of Muslims speaking out on terror, but the real question is: why the fuck should they have to?

  • SYSTEMIC RAPE
    BRUTAL EXECUTIONS
    JIHAD
    POLITICAL REPRESSION and OPPRESSION
    DENIAL OF EDUCATION TO WOMEN
    TERRORISM

    If Christians or Jews had this shit interwoven into their history so completely as Muslims then you're goddamn right there would be surveillance going on...and it would serve them right.

    You reap what you sow man, if enough people of a group consistently act like shitheads throughout the world and everyone can know about it because of the WEB then you have it coming to you.

    If you have balls you can log onto some Jihadist websites to find out how many fucking clicks they get on their sites man. Hint: more than Da Blog during a 3 week run of Le Miz on fucking broadway. This is not some colorado shooter bullshit. This is a fucking belief system. This is a part of an enormous groups religious belief that you are either muslim or you can be forced to be muslim or you can die because you get in the way of muslims.

  • The bigotry is strong in this one.

  • Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status

    Read the definition pal. I treat people that I interact with in my life one fucking way: The way they treat me.

    I don't treat people with hatred, contempt or intolerance so once again your comment and your point is misapplied.

    Just because I feel that not enough is being said or done to address or acknowledge the Islamic Jihadist problem doesn't make me a fucking bigot. What a piece of shit comment that was.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "Nigerians are fucking nuts"

    I think the more Nigerians and Tongans you have the better off you are.

    The Bears are like the united nations of being awesome.:
    Nigerian DE's
    Tongan DT's
    Black LB's from the SEC
    Asian dudes running the media portion of the Bears website
    a jewish guy working the contract negotiations
    white safeties
    Hawaiian running backs stuck on the practice squad forever
    Black nerd comic book HOF freak LB
    Dudes that quit their college teams
    Dudes that went to Vandy (no multiple choice questions allowed)

    We have everything. We have superbowl.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Denounce the IRA? They were the heroes that attempted to realise the republic proclaimed in 1916. They were all that stood between us and the British Army - this was when the British Army thought it was a good idea to drive a tank out onto Croke park and start shooting innocent spectators. Sinn Fein formed the first Dáil of the free state.

    The Provisional IRA and those that came after them in the Sixties ... different story.

  • No one is denouncing the old IRA mang.

  • Sounds like Lach got some humble pie, and making nice. I have mixed views, he was a great MLB, but I just can't wash out the scenes of him helping fuck face bug eyes A Rodgers up off the turf and all smiles like he was one of his O lineman. Don't see Lewis, Singletary, Butkus doing that.

  • Urlacher's legacy.

    Let's start with the bad. He couldn't shed blocks. He was, at times, a dick in his attitude toward fans. He couldn't keep his dick in his pants and was horrible in the way he "supported" his kid. When he started to lose it late in his career, he got more defensive and almost let his pride sink him.

    The good: the man played MLB like no other has done. He was a freak of nature--a 250+ lb LB who ran like a safety. During the Urlacher era, the Bears owned Michael Vick. There is no doubt that he was a tough-as-nails motherfucker who left every ounce out on the field. He was a rock at the most important position on the Bears' defense, at the most important position in Bears' history. The only two guys who were arguably better at him at MLB are arguably the two greatest MLBs to play the game (I think Captain Stabby was very overrated, especially the last 5 years, plus, I think dodging a murder conviction eliminates you from consideration as an all-time great)... and just happen to be fellow Bears.

    I wish Urlacher would've realized the Bears were making him a fair offer, and come back for one more year. Maybe he would've been a liability in the defense, or maybe Mel's scheme would change Urlacher's role and make him less of a liability. But either way, I'd feel bad if the Bears made the SB this year and #54 was left out.

    He's an all-time great Bear. I think Singletary was better, but different eras, different schemes. Now, Brian, time to become a coach. Ron Rivera gives a pretty good blueprint of how to do it.

    And here's one of the "worst" things about being a Bears fan anymore: we won't see any more numbers retired. The Bears have the most retired numbers of any team, and get into crunches as a result. Singletary's won't be retired--though it would, if he had played for any other team--and neither will Lack's. Peanut is arguably the best Bears corner since Red Grange, but we won't be seeing #33 retired. It's sad that the Bears have had so many great players, and so the bar is raised so high to honor their numbers with retirement.

  • Singletary v Urlacher in pass coverage? Please.
    Maybe Samurai had an edge in leverage in the run game though.

  • We are all targets.

  • In reply to Viva:

    are you allowed to CC where you are Viva?

    I don't know if I would if I could gt a license here, but I might consider it if the shit really started hitting the fan. Bottom line is that it's just wrong place, wrong time and there's not much you can do about it in most situations.

  • here's the deal...

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/world/europe/uk-attack-2007-plot/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

    Read the first part of the story... these fucking guys planned to murder someone and they got 14 years, and between 2 and 7 years. Oh yeah, I'm sure these guys have totally been rehabilitated and won't do anything bad once they're out.

    Jesus, we just need to start executing these guys on the spot if the evidence is there. Enough of this shit.

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