Three Reasons I Love the Kyle Long Pick

Three Reasons I Love the Kyle Long Pick

DaBearsBlog launched in 2005 as the brainchild of a Jewish computer nerd, open-toed dirtbag Reverend and football-obsessed, couch-dwelling playwright. In all of those years I have never firmly defended a first-round selection the way I have defended Kyle Long on Twitter in the last 12 hours. Why? Three reasons:

  1. This is a Bears offensive line that was literally shoved by their quarterback last year. This is a Bears offensive line featuring a starting tackle seemingly more interested in the McDonald's drive-thru flapjacks than pancaking a defender. This has been an offensive line that smiles as defenders roam free into the backfield. The smiles are gone. The shoving offensive linemen is over. Kyle Long is a nasty, angry kid and he's about to bring nasty to the front five. They desperately need it.
  2. If Phil Emery was telling the truth and Kyle Long will start at left guard, the Bears now have a Bushrod-Long left side of the offensive line. While pass protection was the focus of fan derision, run blocking was also suspect for a majority of the 2012 campaign. Now Marc Trestman can hand the ball to Matt Forte, point left and say, "Go! Follow!"
  3. Pedigree. It may not mean much to you but it means a hell of a lot to me. The son of Howie Long and brother of Chris Long - two pretty good football players - has got the right bloodlines. And you are crazy if you think Howie and Chris will allow Kyle to revert to his previous life and let off-field issues consume him. You can hear an interview Chris gave recently about his brother by CLICKING HERE.

The pick is bold. The pick is interesting. The pick is exciting. We'll find out as the summer and fall progress whether the pick is right. I think it is.

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  • Seems like the perfect fit for what Trestman and Kromer want to do offensively. Should be fun to watch this guy develop.

  • Not sure why people are complaining about the pick. Our line was a MAJOR problem, the GM did his job and addressed it as he saw fit.

  • I'm not upset with the pick. Hope it works out. The guy has a lot of upside but we could say that about a million of the Bears picks over the years.

    Jeff your line about his dad and brother will keep him on the straight and narrow is a huge crock of shit. The only person that can keep Kyle Long on the right path is him. Substance abuse is an addiction. Common sense and/or tough love have nothing to do with it. The young man has stayed out of trouble for 2-3 years now so that's very encouraging.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I'm trying to find the words "huge crock of shit" in the serenity prayer...is that the French version?

    Kidding, partner. Stay dry.

  • Good One! No worries about staying dry. 19+ years and counting.

  • For those who are still on the ledge, listen to Phil talk about him: http://www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/videos/Emery-on-drafting-OL-Long/f73e5863-fcea-4b85-ac41-adc63c99b8f3

    "He is the type of ATHLETE and PLAYER that we have targeted."

    Wierd for me to reconcile Phil also saying that a 1st round pick should be someone who comes in hitting the ground running. Just means to me that Phil believes he will do just that, and all of his off-field crap is behind him, much like Marshall.

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    In reply to Bender McLugh:

    "Long spoke with new coach Marc Trestman immediately after the club made the pick, and the coach made it clear the team considered him to be a raw prospect in need of refinement"

    Bull... this is a pick that says I'm a new coach, I've got 3 years to sort this out. A raw prospect at 20. SMH. Stupid pick.

  • In reply to Bender McLugh:

    Didn't Emery also state that he graded Long a "9" the highest a prospect can get rated in his metrics?

    Dwell on that Bear fans...that means that even IF Cooper or Warmarck miraculously fell to us, Long could have been drafted instead of them by Emery logic.

  • Butch, was that you that just called asking that question on the Score???

  • In the video Phil mentions the strength coaches he has evaluating players and how Long is the highest rated "Athletic Index Score" for an offensive guard in the last 12 draft classes.......

    What the hell does THAT mean, besides Long being freakishlly in shape......???

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    In reply to Bender McLugh:

    he can't bench press, we know that.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    LOL

  • this may make some of you guys step away from the ledge:
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd1%2Fd2%2FdO%2Fd8%2FdD%2F12O8D_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5562071861871504268_37Ek0WuykF24Ut1wTyiFpMEnUpg&podcast_name=Tony+Wise+on+the+Mully+and+Hanley+Show+4%2F26%2F2013&podcast_artist=Mully+and+Hanley&station_id=391&tag=pages&dcid=CBS.CHI

  • In reply to jdawg:

    jdawg,

    Thanks for the link - extremely interesting.

    I also thought with the size,length, and speed of Long, he could make an excellent left tackle. For that matter, he could play DE.

    But he had better be great, because the Bears could have had Atlanta's 1st, 3rd, and 6th rounder for this pick!!

  • In reply to rustyw:

    Where did you hear this? Link please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think he's assuming that because the Falcons gave that to the Rams after our pick, that they would have given that to us.

    Maybe it's true, but no one knows for sure if the Falcons offered us that same deal.

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    I would be happy with this pick in round 2 or later I just don't know that he was the best player to be taken at #20. Assumption to me is Bears really wanted to trade down then but didn't so ended up taking the pick that would have been there later. OL was/is still a need but so are any number of positions where there is absolutely no depth which to me means still should have went for best player on the board. Just feels like a Bears pick of old and not too long ago at that.

  • If you want feel good about the Bears first-round selection Kyle Long, just talk to veteran offensive line coach Tony Wise, who worked the 24-year-old offensive lineman out in preparation for the Senior Bowl.

    Wise, who has been coaching offensive lineman since 1974, including a six-season stint with the Bears in the mid 1990s, had only good things to say about Long’s athletic ability and potential.

    “I tried to catch him up on what to expect at the Senior Bowl, the drills they do at the Senior Bowl,” Wise told The Mully and Hanley Show. “I just worked some pass protection stuff (with him.) After working with him, I told people that I talked to that I’d put the guy at left tackle. He has that kind of ability. He’s too downward to play guard.”

    In a bit of a shocking revelation, Wise even said he thinks Long, 6-foot-6, 313 pounds, has all the ability that No. 1 & No. 2 overall selections, Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher, demonstrate.

    “I don’t want to insult anybody, but guards are a dime-a-dozen,” Wise said. “Guys with Kyle’s height and his reach and his ability to change directions and run, those guys don’t come along very often. I’ve seen film on some of these guys, and people are going to call me crazy, but I’d stack him up against (Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan). The only thing they did, is they played left tackle their entire career.”

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    ^^^ That was from CBS.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    "I'd stack him up against (Joeckel and Fisher)...."

    THATS the part that should impress BEAR fans about the pick.

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    In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    But we drafted him as a guard. So what now we Webb and Scott are out. Say what you will but smarter people than me evaluated Webb as our best O-Lineman last year.. playing LT. I suspect he does even better job at RT.

    1st round guy needs to contribute in his 1st year. So this pick says Carimi is on the bench, a guy with 4 starts in D1 is our LG...

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    In reply to Big Mike:

    AND our LG is playing out of position....

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Our LG is playing center. Badly. Seriously, who the fuck false starts on their own snaps?

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    That's hilarious. He does it regularly... You mean there wasn't a Center we could reach for with the 20th pick?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    We could have beat Jerry Jones to it and drafted C Travis Frederick.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    We drafted him period, Mike. He plays where he's told to play.

    Anyone who says Webb was our best lineman last year ... is called J'Marcus Webb's mother ..... and/or is not very smart at all.

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    from Pro Football Focus
    "What Do The 2012 Grades Say?

    If you look on the surface of our Premium Stats section you’ll see the grades that were quoted by many on twitter last night to illustrate just how close the full body of work these two put forth was last season. In terms of overall grade they were separated by little more than 2.0, and just three positions in our grading ranks for the regular season. Bushrod weighed in at 44th with an overall grade of +1.5, with Webb just behind in 47th and -0.8. Head to our Signature Stats section and you’ll see a similar story, with Webb slightly ahead in terms of Pass Blocking Efficiency at 94.2 (43rd overall) and Bushrod trailing just behind at 93.6 (55th overall). Our opinion goes further than just taking the overall picture, but at this broad brush stroke level, and for their full seasons, these two are not separated by much at all.

    Dig a little deeper though, and go game by game with the grades and you see even more just how similar these two were last season — each had a solitary game (Webb in Week 1, Bushrod in Week 11) around a +5.0 grade, which is extremely good for an offensive tackle, while they also each had a trio of games of -2.5 overall or below. At least in 2012 you can clearly see that in grading terms these two are playing to a very similar level."

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    I likey ! We use Bushrod and Long as the tackles. No J'Marcus! Then we have lots of competition for the RG spot. We airlock Robocrap and we've got ourselves a line that's pretty strong. Nothing to say we can't draft another guard if there's someone high on their board. Not at the expense of drafting a center. Maybe Carimi will work out.

    See the Trib reported us drafting Jake Long?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-chicago-bears-jake-long-video-20130426,0,1688874.htmlstory

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    Who is robocrap?

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Ansah will make Webb look even slower than everybody else makes him look. Scott or Long for RT please.

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    Ansah isn't better than what we already face every year...

  • I'm feeling better about the pick. The pedigree means something to me too. He's got huge upside and very little football wear and tear on his 25 year old body. Howie and Chris both say he's the best athlete in the family. The Nasty is demeanor is what I like the best though. Oh, and he throws 90 mph fastballs as a lefty, so that'll help the bears out at their annual company softball tourney.

    He's a ringer.

  • And you never know when Goodell will replace kickoffs with at-bats.

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    Carimi was labeled as mean/nasty too. He's not going down without a fight and that means we've got at least one #1 draft choice sitting on his ass all year.
    "NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock observed that Carimi is "a little bit like a Jon Runyan. He's kind of got a little nasty to him." Mayock also described him as "a thug, which I mean in a positive sense", and commented on his ability as a run blocker. He added: "I think he’s the kind of guy ... you try ... at left tackle, and if he can’t handle the speed out there, you’ve got an all-pro right tackle."

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Well, I guess since Carimi hasn't panned out, that means Long is a bust too. shit. Okay lets never draft another nasty o lineman again. Maybe just pussy cats...like Chris Williams. Oh wait... Okay let's never draft an o-lineman again. Glad that's settled.

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    Yeah, I know. But the point is we didn't need to take Jake Long. If he beats out Carimi, great. But is he going to be that much better?

    I don't think so. He's the same guy.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Based on what I've been hearing and reading, he'll end up being our franchise left tackle for years. So yeah, I see an improvement here. But who knows really until we see it.

  • Long Dong Silver

  • The problem with this Long pick is that the value sucks with taking him at 20. Just like when they picked McCllelin last year, the value is garbage. I like Long's upside, but is Emery always going to go against the grain? Not a fan of this pick at 20 at all.

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    How do you know what the value is until you've seen him play a couple years down the road?

  • T shirt contest round 2 ?????

    2nd round 50th pick: Arthur Brown, LB

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Fuggit. Eddie Lacey. Seeing as nobody else will put that in.

  • Does he have a dip in??

    He certainly looks scarier than his brother and dad...

    And I'm okay with that.

  • The pedigree doesnt mean shit or Jared Payton would have made a career out of it. All this he has great upside and potential and all that sounds like the same from last years pick. Chicken dinner still hasnt shown me shit. Same question we all have, is he a DE should he be a linebacker. Now Long, is he really a tackle? Is he really a guard? Was Hester just a return guy? Was he a DB? Can he play WR? Draft a fucking guy who is what he is not what he might be!! I hope like hell he turns into a HOF lineman, but I'm tired of our GM's drafting guys on potential and then they dont pan out. We have a history of first rounders with potential that are home sitting on the couch now. I hope like hell I'm eating my words by the end of the season, but I have a feeling most guys will be sayin, I knew we shoulda drafted Eifert! Im not waiting for seasons end, I'm saying it now, We drafted the wrong guy!!!

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    In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    It's like Emery is trying to draft a basketball team... these "versatile", "athletic" guys, so what.. Get me a guy who's a big slob that plays one position really, really well. Not some question mark, asterisk guy who is a 3-4 OLB/DE, OT, OG hybrid.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    don't forget pitcher.

  • I thought I could sleep it off, but I am actually MORE disgusted this morning with the pick. Another "meh" 1st rounder.

    Aren't we all fucking tired of hoping we DON'T fuck up the 1st round? It got so bad under Angelo, that many fans preferred just trading away our first altogether, and we're heading down the same road with Emery.

    Remember, Angelo actually drafted decently after the 1st, and brought in some pretty kick ass FAs to make up for his atrocious 1st rounders, FAs like Pepp and Cutler. Last time I checked, you build through the draft by NOT passing on elite talent.

    It's like all the kids got all the bad ass toys, like bikes, nintendos, remote control cars, and here we are with a $10 gift certificate to payless.

  • You'll look back a year or two from now and laugh about how stupid you sound.

  • In reply to Shady:

    How is it stupid? So you would rather have Shea and Long on the roster over Jones or Eifert? That to me sounds more stupid.

    It's not that I don't think Long can turn out to be an ok player, but it seems like an unnecassary reach, again.

    I'll repost this from the last thread since it was dead.

    OG/Ts ranked higher than Long, still available, who are younger, had more than 4 starts, benched more than ZERO reps, and weren't addicts...

    OG Warford
    OG Hugh Thorton
    OG Dallas Thomas
    OG Brian Winters
    OG Alvin Bailey
    OG Earl Watford

    OT Menilik Watson
    OT Terron Armstead
    OT David Quessenberry
    OT Brennan Williams
    OT Oday Aboushi
    OT David Bakhatiari
    OT Reid Fragel

    THEN, OT/OG Kyle Long.

    I know Mayock ranks them differently, but if you're going by Mayock, then why not get the #2 OVERALL graded prospect in Floyd, as opposed to the #29 ranked player?

    NEED. That can be the only response.

    And how many times have we argued on this blog that BPA is the way to go in the 1st rd? It's practically a truism, a Newtonian Law, an irrefutable equation.

  • It's stupid because you're evaluating a draft pick the day after. And whose ranking was that? Clearly not Phil Emerys, you know, the guy who has made a career in the NFL of evaluating talent. You can go ahead and continue to get mad about our GM addressing the Bears biggest area of need, but I can certainly tell you it's not worth getting your blood pressure up.

    And again, every single team drafts for need in the first two rounds. Every. Team.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I'm not mad, just disappointed. I was expecting more from Emery the "draft" guru, and has he 'wowed' anyone in the first?

    He hasn't wowed me.

    Also, every single team DOESN'T draft for need in the first.

    The Bengals had a much bigger need at Safety than TE (they have Gresham who's no slouch), but it took them about 30 seconds to turn in the card for Eifert.

  • We'll get to see just how great Eifert will be in due time. ALMOST every single team drafts for need in the first two rounds.

  • Yeah I agree. The Long pick is for sure a reach. I think Long could become a decent player, but that's not the point. The Bears can't continue to pick dudes way higher than they're rated. Does Emery literally think every other scout in the nation is an idiot? I tend to trust the other scouts over Emery at this point anyways after looking at last years crap draft.

  • Butch - ranked by whom? Those turds who write for the media? Mayock I respect, and he likes this guy more than most in the draft - not just O-linemne - but out of EVERYBODY.

    I can't beleive the number of guys on here saying this pick sucks. We needed a lineman. We got one. Will he be a starter for ten years. Nobody knows. Just because some ducheynes have other guys marked up ahead of him means jack shit.

    I dig the BPA thing, but I dig having an O-line even more because the Franchise boy needs to stay upright for 3.5 seconds.

  • Warford, a 6'3 343 pound OG who started more than 4 games could have helped too.

    In fact, most of those guys listed above could have, not to mention some OG FAs like Moore who are still available.

    Drafting "projects" in the first signals "rebuilding" to me, and I'm not on that bandwagon.

    Seriously, everyone's laughing at Jerry Jones selecting Frederick at 31, but how is our pick any better?

    At least Frederick could have replaced Garza at C.

  • There are many things about the pick that bug me...what any journalist has said on the subject is not one of them.

  • So why wasn't Geno drafted then? Plenty of teams in the NFL have sucky starting QBs. They all passed.

  • Because even horrible teams like the Raiders don't reach for need.

  • But if it's about BPA and QB is the most important position ...... it's not always about BPA. If the Raiders draft BPA then why have they had shitty rosters forever?

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    Or they got Floyd, Rhodes and Patterson. What a haul for the Vikings. That's a draft. Value at every position.

    Best DT, 2nd best CB, 3rd best Receiver.

    And we got the 176th best rated player in the nation.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    What? Says who? Adam Rank? Seriously, WTF? Tom Brady was ranked where? Every single team passed him up five times, some six. Jay Hilgenberg? Arian Foster wasn't even drafted. The list goes on.

    In Phil I trust.

  • Chandler Jones, before he got injured, was in Rookie of the Year contention.

    Shea was not.

    I hope both Shea and Long make Emery look like a savant, but right now he looks more like Rain Man to me.

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    Orlando Franklin was on the board when we took Carimi. He's only started every game for the last two years in Denver... I know that was Glitchy, but leaving a future pro-bowl team on the Board every year in the first round...

  • I agree with the "aren't we all fucking tired of hoping we DON'T fuck up the 1st round?"

    Yes. It's been a long time since I had complete confidence in the Bears' 1st round picks.

    BUT I totally DISagree with "Angelo actually drafted decently after the 1st." DAN FUCKING BAZUIN?

    Angelo did hit on Mike Brown, and some 4th rounders here and there. But by and large, the man was a clown.

  • Since Emery thinks the pedigree thing is such a good idea. I wont be surprised if we draft Nate Montana in the second round.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Mike Golic's son is in the draft too, maybe in the 2nd we can draft Jake Golic at TE so nobody will be mad about skipping over Eifert in the first.

  • I watched a few of Long's games last night. He looked pretty good against some good defensive teams* (Stanford; Arizona State). But in the end, this is a guy who has had (at most) 13 games and 11 starts at LG and LT.

    Did he face any elite defensive linemen in college? I believe (not sure) that Arizona State's best defender sat out most of the Oregon game.

    Also, the dude can't thumb wrestle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7VaxtcvWs

    *I'm going by stats -- I don't know a thing about college football.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Looks like he had only 4 starts, all at LG, and played in an additonal 7 games as a non-starter at LG and LT.

    http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2012&org=529

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/75659690/Video-Biggs-and-Pompei-on-NFL-draft-s-first-round

    There is no way Biggsy makes it more than two years.....

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    Holy shit, he just keeps getting fatter...

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Like that guy from "Big Trouble in Little China"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKQKE0JfXtA

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    Seriously, he was fat a year ago, fatter at the end of the season and apparently he's been in training, because he's even fatter now.

  • I was just thinking that mang. And you could say the same for Pompei. Big Casino style.

  • Can a human being acutall... pop?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's one wafer-thin mint away.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Oh sir .. it is only ..... wafffer theen ....

  • I like the pick. None of us will know if it was a "good" or "bad" one until the kid takes the practice field...

    Let's at least HOPE it was a good choice at this point.

    I for one have a good feeling about it.

  • Well, I've made my case, and I'm not alone. Everyone on here sorta knows me, and I'm no doom-and-gloom guy, but this is the second straight underwhelming first.

    And it's easier to get good 2nd rounders, esp when one trades up for a player, so I'm just gonna lower down my expectations today.

    IF Long replaces Webb at RT, if that's the long term plan, then I get the pick (although look at the OTs still available up top and tell me Long was better than those guys).

    Hope Long turns out to be more than merely a starter cause mid first rounders should get to at least one PB in my book.

  • Isn't Scott our RT?

  • Apparently not because Emery is talking about how Long can play OT down the line.

    That also means Webb and Carimi at RT are a no-go.

  • For all those saying emery reached, if I told you the bears would select Te'o and Long in the first two rounds would you still be this upset? Of course not.

  • Here is a nice sample size of the next couple dozen players available. I see alot of guys that would look good in Bears colors.

    1. QB Geno Smith, West Virginia (6-3, 218, 4.59)
    2. OT Menelik Watson, Florida State (6-5, 310, 5.29)
    3. WR Robert Woods, Southern Cal (6-1, 201, 4.51)
    4. CB Jamar Taylor, Boise State (5-11, 192, 4.39)
    5. QB Matt Barkley, Southern Cal (6-3, 227, 4.84)
    6. MLB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame (6-1, 241, 4.82)
    7. DE Cornellius Carradine, Florida State (6-4, 276, 4.75)
    8. WR Keenan Allen, California (6-2, 206, 4.53)
    9. RB Eddie Lacy, Alabama (5-11, 231, 4.53)
    10. DE Margus Hunt, SMU (6-8, 277, 4.62)
    11. TE Zach Ertz, Stanford (6-5, 249, 4.76)
    12. DT Johnathan Hankins, Ohio State (6-3, 320, 4.95)
    13. DE Damontre Moore, Texas A&M (6-5, 250, 4.95)
    14. CB Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State (6-2, 185, 4.61)
    15. SS Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International (6-0, 217, 4.64)
    16. LB Arthur Brown, Kansas State (6-0, 241, 4.68)
    17. DT Jesse Williams, Alabama (6-4, 323, 4.94)
    18. MLB Kevin Minter, LSU (6-0, 246, 4.81)
    19. DT Kawann Short, Purdue (6-3, 299, 5.16)
    20. QB Ryan Nassib, Syracuse (6-2, 227, 5.06)
    21. OT Terron Armstread, Arkansas-Pine Bluff (6-5, 306, 4.71)
    22. WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee (6-4, 196, 4.44)
    23. DE Sam Montgomery, LSU (6-3, 262, 4.81)
    24. CB David Amerson, NC State (6-1, 205, 4.44)
    25. OG Larry Warford, Kentucky (6-3, 332, 5.58)
    26. RB Johnathan Franklin, UCLA (5-10, 205, 4.49)
    27. DE Alex Okafor, Texas (6-5, 264, 4.78)
    28. WR Terrance Williams, Baylor (6-2, 208, 4.52)
    29. RB Montee Ball, Wisconsin (5-11, 214, 4.66)
    30. QB Tyler Wilson, Arkansas (6-2, 215, 4.95)

  • I think a rush on QBs and RBs will help us to get a solid choice in the 2nd.

    Then again, Emery might be part of that rush on QBs.

    Brown, Minter or Te'o should be available, and in the 2nd, I wouldn't mind them.

    But again, it depends on who's also available.

    DE Carradine and OG Warford to me have the biggest upside from that list.

  • With a couple QB's being taken I could see us with Kawann Short at DT, Margus Hunt at DE, Barrett Jones at C, Zach Ertz at TE.

    If by the grace of god Te'o drops to 50 (which he won't) and our C,T,DE guys are gone and the bears don't take him i will quit life.

    I can't see Te'o being around after the first 5 picks tonight.

  • rathe have brown or minter than teo to be honest yonny.

  • Margus Hunt, Arthur Brown, Warford (if we were to put Long at RT), ... but wouldn't we have to draft Schwenke here?

    No 3rd rounder and we need a C*****.

    Pull that trigger Phil.

  • If they had picked Te'o everyone would bitch. If they picked Ogletree (my pick) and he got arrested while getting a lamp dance riding in Lance Briggs new Lambo down the Eden's, we would say he was a thug from the start. Eifert seemed like a great choice, but didn't make sense with all the TE's we have on the roster now.

    Long has kept his nose clean for a few years now. Maybe he realized he needed to live up to the stature of his brother and father. If this guy pans out and he puts Floyd/Suh on their ass while Forte breaks of for a 70 yard TD, everyone is gonna be jumping for joy.

    Isn't it the norm to give any draft a 3 year window? CD was an unexpected pick. But if he turns into a stud DE putting Rodgers on his ass, we will all forget he was a "reach". Alshon is going to be break out player of the year. Marshall and Alshon will be our version of Jones/White. The only way that happens is if Cutty is on his feet. Long helps obtain that protection. When the Bears are hoisting the Lombardi, we all will look back at how smart Emery's moves were.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Exactly, what the hell good is a receiver (TE or otherwise) if the QB doesn't have time to throw him the ball? Priority 1 has been the same for years now: fix the line and protect the franchise. Just because the ACTUAL GM drafted a guy you didn't expect to do the job doesn't mean it was a bad pick.

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    In reply to Shady:

    You assume that the act of taking an Offensive Lineman in the first round protects the QB.... of all the fans in all the world, we know that is not true. Chris Williams, Gabe Carimi. Kyle Long is just going to be another link in the chain of first round failures.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Marc Colombo...

  • Stan Thomas.

  • Colombo wasn't a failure. The guy had a freak injury that had a freak complication. The Bears eventually released him because they didn't want to pay him all the way through rehab. He went on to the Cowboys and had a decent career.

    In other words, the guy doesn't dislocate his knee (and then almost lose his leg), he probably would have been a PB OT for the Bears. I don't call that a "bust." I call that "bad luck."

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Yes. I'm assuming drafting an offensive lineman will help protect the QB and create holes for Forte. Much like you assuming drafting Sharrif (don't call me Sharriff) Floyd would help stop the run or pressure the QB.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Well, given the results of drafting Cookie and Carimi so far, I think I'd feel safer with the Sharrif pick.
    If we wanted a big ugly in the first round, I would have liked it to have been done with gusto - trade up and go get a guy like Cooper.
    I swear I would NOT have bitched about that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I believe a few of us have PTAD. Post Traumatic Angelo Disorder. Signs of this disorder include the need to feel 'safe'. Don't let the previous GMs horrid influence how you feel about the need for O line help.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And yes you would have bitched if Emery gave up the draft for Cooper. As we all would.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I don't think this is the year where moving up would have cost that much, though.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I get what you're saying. And I don't think anyone is mad at the position that was picked. But it's the fact that every other scout has him rated quite a bit lower than where he was picked. And the only draft we have to base Emery on was last year. And to me last years draft was pretty underwhelming. So I am not about to say that Emery is so much smarter than everyone else who evaluates players, until he proves it. And trust me, I hope he proves it...

  • In reply to JR Cubbies:

    Who the fuck are these scouts and how do they know more than Mayock and Phil Emery and his scouts?

  • What do you mean "who the fuck are these scouts?" Google any ranking on draft picks by overall and by position and there you go. It's not difficult... Literally, every ranking shows that Long was a stretch of a pick. If you don't agree that's cool, but there is no way this was good value at 20.

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Everyone wouldnt have bitched if they picked Teo?. I know MB and myself would have been happy with that pick. Unlike some others we dont feel one bad game out of four years of starts makes him all of a sudden a bad player. All year guys talked about him and lamented he wouldnt be available when we picked. One bad game, and getting scammed on the internet and some think now he cant play? I'm sure plenty of guys would have been happier with him than Long.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    That one bad game was the biggest of his career and he got destroyed in it. Legit players show up in those games. Yes, he did get scammed on the internet but he kept lying about it AFTER he knew the truth.. I won't say he can't play but I'm happy we didn't go in that direction.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    Bull Shit Jersey, he was playing against a fucking NFL line. You see where those guys are being drafted? He was the one linebacker they had to game plan against. No one even knew the others names. The line was getting eaten up. He had plenty of games which were the biggest of his career at the time and showed up. Theres been plenty of huge stars in big games that crapped the bed. Multiple games in fact. Doesnt make them bad players the rest of the year. Did ya ever stick with a lie a little too long? Especially because you knew the truth would bring you a ton of grief?

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    that's revisionist history Jersey. Watch the game. It is irrational to judge a player on one game. Ever Irish D lineman got fucking worked in front of him and he still got in the backfield and tried to mix it up.
    He's a badass linebacker and if he's available at 50 we'd better fucking take him.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I'm a diehard Irish fan. Followed the kid's his entire career. I WANTED Te'o. I thought he'd be first pick before NCAA title game. Even when he was there yesterday, I had hopes it would be him. I figured Bears would take Ogletree as he was higher "rated" than Te'o.

    I wasn't saying I would bitch. I was saying more to the effect of mainstream "fans" would bitch because of the hoax thing.

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    In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    So now we are making judgements based on "it could have been worse". Yes it could have been worse.

  • I also heard Tony Wise on 670 this morning. He told Mully and Handley that, in his estimation, this kid slides to left tackle after Bushrod is done. He thinks this kid is a lock down LT. 6'6", and wise said he could see his frame going to 330s with solid muscle, and his footwork was as good as it got.

    Wise is also out of work, and was hired by Howie to prep Chris for the Senior Bowl and the combine. So, I'm going to take all that with a grain of salt. Also, I don't know how I feel about Tony Wise, he didn't exactly do a bang up job, did he?

    Now - the other side of this morning's coin:

    "Phil Emery just BLEW this pick. He BLEW it. No, I will not back away from this. Not only do I not like this pick in the first round, I don't like it in the SECOND round. " -Hub Arkush, from the Score's broadcast live last night, and it's getting plenty of air time today.

    Hub called in again, and he was LIVID they left Eifert and Trufant on the board. He called Emery borderline stupid and that the pick was wasted. I've rarely heard Hub so disgusted. He says that NOBODY who knows football had that kid in the first round, and if Phil is trying to look smarter than everyone, he's sucking at it.

    So, there you go. Two sides.

    In my opinion, Emery blew it. I didn't think Trufant was physical enough in college to be a NFC North corner, but leaving Eifert there was inexcusable. It's like when I played stratomatic in the college dorm, and there was always that one kid who was a dork and tried to buck every trend but ended up creating loser teams. That, to me, is Phil Emery.

    I'm now off the Emery bandwagon, after thinking and reading more into it. I now think that the BMarsh thing was nearly entirely orchestrated by Jay Cutler and his agent, and that Emery did it to keep everybody in line. And that was the one good GM move he's had.

    I just don't believe in the guy. I am now pining for Handley at this stage. I fear the rest of the draft is as big a disaster.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm not going to write Emery off just yet. It's still pretty early in his tenure. But it seems that Phil goes out of his way to pick guys that the "normal scouts" have rated way lower to prove people he is a genius. The Bears don't need any ego b.s. They need young impact talent in the worst way, and Emery better hit it out of the park the rest of the draft or the Bears could be screwed for years..

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    In reply to gpldan:

    +1000. Worst Pick in the last 10 years. In one draft he "angelo'd" himself. I can hear the talk of floors and ceilings.

    4 starts at D1. 25 years old. He will be called "aging" when his Rookie contract is up.

    Let's say he lives up to the hype, which even the biggest believers will say puts him as a starting LT in 2-3 years, whoo dee freakin do. We'll have him under contract for 1 or 2 years from that point on and have to pay him starting LT money. Which we could do at any time, because there's always 1 or 2 free agent starting LT.

    So in the meantime we've got an inexperienced guy, basically learning how to play football, competing with Carimi to be the LG.

    Given a fair shot, Carimi wins this hands down. Don't let last year fool you. Carimi may go down, but he's taking people with him. You can't think that nasty SOB is going to let a guy with no experience start over him.

    If that happens we basically drafted for o-line depth in the first round.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Not to mention that OG Brandon Moore (who is graded higher than Louis) is still available in FA, for those in the "win now" camp.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    I get your overall position mike, but I don't get the disgust re: IFF long turns out to be our franchise LT for us in 2-3 years.

    that would be... uhhhhh... good. And would make the pick a great one. Even if he's just a serviceable G for the next couple years. And if he turns into our franchise LT I will more than happily endorse a new LT contract commensurate with his free-market worth at the time (because my endorsement is of course critical).

    I don't love the pick, and maybe I would have been happier with eifert or ogletree/manti, but I have faith in the long bloodline. Let's see what happens in camp... and with the rest of the draft.

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    You can commit that kind of money to an LT any time you want. Almost every year there is top talent at LT on the market if you want to pay for it. The guy will be 29 when he comes out of his rookie contract.

    Shariff Floyd next to Melton. OMFG... serious, that's an upgrade.

    It's not like the line won't be better next year. We brought in two starters that are substantially better than what we had last year. We got better at RT because I believe Webb will continue to improve and maybe even take a jump from ok to Good. Carimi will play better next year (I swear that injury must have still been bothering him).

    So we took Long for what depth? You can't reach to fill a need in the first round. Draft 101. I've read it on this board a hundred times.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hey, you know who picked the Kansas City Chiefs to win the Super Bowl last year? Mr. Hub Arkush. Not only did they not win the SB, but they were LITERALLY the worst team in football. My cat is a better expert than Hub, and remember, no lo tengo un gato.

    We can look at this pick through whatever colored lenses we want, but the fact is we won't know until Long gets his shot on the football field.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I'm willing to eat crow in a big way on this blog if the guy makes the transition to LT and kicks ass.

    If he doesn't crack the starting lineup as rook, at GUARD, which are a dime a dozen, then fuck it, I was right.

    I also said last year I would eat big time crow if Big Country turned into a better pro than Chandler Jones. I don't think that one gets cashed in.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think there's a good chance Long ends up at RT sooner than later.

    I also think we can agree to hold judgement on these picks until they've had a chance to play.

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    In reply to Shady:

    So we've got three RTs now. Oh that helps.

    And of course, game time tells all.

    My big statement is Carimi is not done. We did not need Jake Long at 20. That's all.

    Same way I feel about Chicken Dinner. He's our guy. Want the best for him, but Chandler Jones is better. I knew it, gpldan new it, everybody new it. But Emery got cute.

    Same with Long. I'm saying a little prayer to #34 hoping I am so wrong that "Big Mike" turns into shorthand for raging on the Blog and being so wrong that there are youtube videos about how wrong pulling a "Big Mike" is.

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    In reply to Big Mike:

    and yes I can spell, I'm just hungover and tired. "knew"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hub Arkush is a tool, so there's that.

    You're a smart guy GP, I can't believe that quite a few of you are jumping off the Emery bandwagon after what he's done for this team so far. Maybe the best WR in the NFL (allowing for the fact that CJ broke Rice's record last year). Good signings since... and we're burying him after ONE pick? Let's wait til week six before we call out.

    Also, what kind of feeling do we have in the locker room if Brandon is competing for balls with not only a very capable receiver in Martellus ... but the first round TE prima donna wants his targets too? And when does Matt Forte get his screens?

    Nah, keep it simple. Martellus is the TE. Beast is the WR. Matt is the HB.

    We've got Melton and Muscles at DT. The Amoeba is back. We'd be drafting Shariff Floyd to likely sit on the bench (he's not guaranteed to get the playbook that quickly) ... whereas Long starts straight away.

  • What playbook as a 4-3 DT???
    Go hit the guy with the ball.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's pretty much what I think about football.

  • Tougher to pick up the playbook as a DT than as a guy who's gotten four (!) college starts at his position on the O-line?

    I dunno - I don't buy that logic at all.
    Again, I hope the guy pans out and becomes our starting LT for the next decade.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Four starts? I thought that was four starts LAST season.

  • Last season was his only season with a real football school.

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    I believe the Bears will still like to rotate 3-4 and even 5 DTs in a game. The fresher the better.

  • Hub Arkush is for sure a tool. And I think most Bears fans know that dude knows jack shit. It actually pisses me off that I agree with him on this one, because he's such a troll.

  • I'm no doom and gloomer but after CD last year, it's pretty easy to go uh-oh after the Long pick. Who knows? Don't really give a shit about anything that Hub has to say. He still has an axe to grind against the Beloved. He's about the same as Don Banks at SI. The next time that douchebag says something nice about the Bears will be the first time. After hearing that Howie hired Tony Wise to train the Kyle, his scouting report is pretty suspect. Glad we're addressing the line. After one verifiable bust 1st rd OL pick and another that's looking the same way, we're all pretty jaded and expect the worst. Hope he plays lights out for the next 10 years.

  • Thank the Ghodz that Buddy Nix exists, so that Phil Emery isn't the kook in the room at NFL GM meetings.

    Nix is a nutter, total nutterz, and getting Catfished and recorded, you need to grab that recording while it's up at Deadspin and save it to your HDD, because that thing will be down soon, and it's PRICELESS.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bills-gm-buddy-nix-gets-catfished-prankster-admits-164444662--nfl.html

  • I think I'm gonna have to go with 85 on this one. Seems like a boneheaded pick. 1st round should be an instant impact player, not someone that you have to teach basics of the position to.
    Tony Wise worked with him on drills? On how to fckn practice propperly? Dude didnt even know how to run through a practice for his position properly!?!?! I'm just dumbfounded by both this and last years #1 picks. There are guys out there that EVERYONE agrees are good players. Why try and constantly find the diamond in the rough when youre standing in front of a fckn jewlery case.

  • I pissed myself looking at this.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151573541715489&set=a.96101695488.77736.21310280488&type=1&theater

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    In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    oh that's rich...

  • One bright spot, for the Fox picks contest, we know Howie will pick the Bears every week! HOO fucking RAY!!!!!!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I actually met Howie's barber.

    I went to some random old school barber, some hole in the wall place.

    I sit, look to the side, and see Howie's face.

    I joked, "Oh, do a lot of customers come in and ask for the Howie?"

    And he said, "No. He's actually a client."

    I couldn't believe it, but it was signed to him.

    I thought for sure Howie would get some hot shot salon guy, but apperently he still goes to that barber from time to time.

    And looking at that 50s crew cut, I don't doubt it.

  • Contest idea, which team will Howie Long pick when we play the Rams?

  • Ok Boys, if Barrett Jones is available do we snag him or DE/DT/LB?

  • LB

  • In reply to Bender McLugh:

    I think we do the full Vanisi, and take Jones.

    But people would freak.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i'd be in fucking heaven. you can always get Izzy and Okoye before the season and the shelves are fucking stocked.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If you read PE's quotes from last night he more or less said they will address other needs than OL unless the value is too much to pass up.

  • Neither he nor Schwenke will be there for us in the 4th so if it's another year of Robocrap or a Center.? Do it.

    Remember, Child Support is still unemployed.

    [STOPPIT IRISH!

    Nope.

  • Who the shit is Robocrap?!?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Roberto Kneebraces ... toast last season and he's not getting any better. Can't push, can't block, can't even wait for himself to snap the ball (facepalm).

    The chain will be as strong as it's weakest link ... and you Roberto my boy .... are the weakest link (now that Mrs. Webb's pride and joy is riding the bench).

  • ooh .... ITS ... even ...

  • Hahaha, OK - mystery is solved.
    I don't mind the kneebraces. Most of those lugs wear 'em.
    It's the braindead false starts that I can no longer live with.

  • Irish, at some point you are going to have to come to the realization that Urlacher is done. We've upgraded at both LB positions and that is that. We got a vocal and physical leader in Williams who brought the fucking heat in Denver for 9 years.

    Even the media guys who hate him actually respect his talent.

    he's younger, faster, quicker than Urlacher. He's got more range at this point, covers the pass better, blitzes better and talks shit.

    I'm sorry but this urlacher bullshit has to stop. No one will hire him at even 2 mil but you want us to pay him 5? He'll get a chickenshit offer loaded with unreachable incentives so it looks better but he'll play for 950k this year.

  • Irish will still get his Lach boner twice a year when we play the Vikes.

    bwhahaa

  • Don't even go there.

  • We have zero depth at linebacker though. He'd be a solid spend for 2 mill ... if we don't draft LB in Rd 2.

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    Fuck it, all in on OL this draft.

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    In reply to Big Mike:

    Because maybe he can play guard too :)

  • I think Da Coach was super stoked over Buster Highman, wasn't he?

    http://deadspin.com/prankster-gets-nfl-draft-attendees-to-lie-about-liking-481033308

  • The Score is all about shitting on Emery right now, esp. Danny Mac

    http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/670-the-score

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    In reply to gpldan:

    Well that's one way to get me off the ledge and get behind Emery again.

  • If the brain trust at Halas Hall wanted buzz about the team this year, they certainly found one way to generate it.

  • If you haven't seen it, here's one of Long's 4 starts (vs Stanford at LG):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLkEX-lMfrQ

    Sorry if it's ABP (already been posted).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Long also played (but did not start) at LT vs. Arizona State (which ranked #2 in sacks and #1 in tackles for loss).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5PkwO67vE

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Again, FWIW - Stanford & Arizona State defense ranked top two in both Sacks and TFL:

    http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=B&rpt=IA_teamsacks&site=org

    http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IA_teamtacklesloss&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Long looks very raw. Got beat by a stunt, got beat for a pressure which almost lead to an int, tends to lunge and looks lost at times.

    However, I can see what Emery saw. Very good feet. Looks nasty. Finishes plays. Always looks for something to hit. Mirrors well. Gets to the 2nd level.

    But at 20?...

  • Can't fault him if the QB throws an INT though ......Qb has to take that ... two pressures for the course of one game against one of the top defenses isn't a lot .. .when you consider what Cutty's been putting up with. He won't get manhandled by too many people at 320lbs.

  • Yeah... scary.

    But you've got to admit, Long's rapid transition from power-pitcher who couldn't find the strike zone to starting LG for Oregon is pretty fucking impressive.

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    In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Very impressive. A commendable job. He'd have been there at 50. Job well done. Great draft, love everyone. Wait.. we took him at 20. SMH.. GRRRR

  • There's that word "raw" again. To quote Lobo from an earlier thread, "...he's raw and wild be a fucking wild mustang..."!

    Actually I just wanted to repost my response to Lobo:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_KtQ1BqfHM

    Rawwwwww Hiiiiiiiiiide.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I watched every snap and feel better having done so. This guy is solid.

    He blew one running block and allowed two pressures - none of those resulting in a tackle or sack (and one of them was because his team-mate got in the way). That's not a bad haul for a whole game, right?

    He's got good leverage for a guy that's 6'6 and he's quick with his hands and quick moving laterally or forward into the second level.

  • I thought you said he blew a running back!!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    There's a Teo joke in there, but I for one have too much class to go there.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Too Late!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No, that would be Manti's job. NTTAWWT.

    Okay, MBHAP got in there I see ... nonetheless it remains.

  • Best unbiased video I've seen on Long.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKE7PwX9zDs

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Except (as far as I can tell) Long has had only 4 college starts, not 11 (I guess the other starts were with Saddleback College - ie, they don't count). And look at their fucking cheesy helmets:

    http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/kyle_576_2.jpg?max_width=450

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Whoops. Meant to post the pic AND the related article on Long:

    http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20130425224vi0

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    Good video. His hands and arms are country strong. He pushes DLs around with ease.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I punished myself by comparing his tape to Coopers.
    Cooper was killing guys.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I can also post highlights of Warford and Jones, and the highlights will be more than 4 games.

  • Bwahahahaha!
    Good point!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's the thing about that Long video, he was doing his job okay and solidly, just no manhandling and brutality - but that's cool. If you could draft Cooper it meant your team sucked.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjOw2S8tU-Q
    Shariff Floyd...

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Jebus, Mike, you're killing us!

    I can't even click on that link cause I already saw some of Floyd.

    Polian reportedly told Lovie, "This is the 3-tech from our dreams"

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    I threw up a little when I watched it. We will see this draft blow up in our face on September 15th, when Shariff faces off directly over Long.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    we're going to fucking kill the vikings Mike. Kill.

  • For all of you who are trying to convince themselves this was a good pick, remember that Eifert was still on the board.

  • In reply to FrankSchoenburg:

    Why would you sign Eifert when you just signed Martellus? We could have drafted Geno Smith, but why would we?

  • Can we get a 3rd for Webb?

    Fins need an OT, Webb is MUCH cheaper, younger than Albert would be.

    MIA doesn't want to give up their 2nd to the Chiefs, if I'm Emery, I'm selling Webb for a 3rd and a bag of chips. Bag of chips can even be those weird ones from that Burmese liquor store (Yeah, the store still call themselves Burmese not Myanarmese)

  • LOL a 3rd rounder for j'Marcus Webb????

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Hey, Miami let Long walk because they didn't want to pay him $8M.

    Now, they want to give away a 2nd rounder to pay a LT who is about equal to Long $9M.

    They're not exactly the sharpest knife in the cabinet.

    I'll take a 4rth, or 5th.

    Or maybe just the Burmese chips.

  • A third of the bag of chips seems more likely.

  • Dude, we'd have to GIVE somebody a 3rd to take that POS off our hands ....

  • Everytime someone asks me who the Bears drafted last night I just want to palm slap my forehead!! Everyone that is pumped for this pick is delusional or insane. Played 4 games!?!? Had to be taught how to practice for his position in January 2013!? Seriously!??

  • I believe anyone defending the Long pick when better values were still on the board are suffering from 'stand by your team' syndrome.

    Side effects include twanging out country songs like "He hit me, and it felt like a kiss..."

  • I don't want to think about it anymore. It's making my head hurt. The only thing that could make it worse would be trading down further into the 2nd for meaningless 4th and 5th round picks.

    Just pick a goddamn known quantity in rd 2 and let's go to camp and get this fucking party started.

  • Yeah, man, I know what you mean.

    I just want the 2nd to start to get this bad taste out of my mouth (like last year).

    I hope Emery repeats his day 2 magic and somehow gets two 2nd rounders, or a 3rd.

    I really like the 2nd round this year, much deeper than last year.

    As is, we can get a starter in the 2nd, and a big time contributor in the 4rth, a WR like Swope, or even LB like Kiko, Riddick or Gooden.

    Maybe even the Honeybadger.

  • I don't know, man...if you want to get all historically hysterical, 1st round busts are as easy to find as ballers. Contrary to the beliefs of several posters above and last night, we don't have a corner on that market. It's a league-wide craps game.

    Jake Long is a Chicago Bear who hasn't played a single snap in the NFL yet. Kromer has him now. Kromer is a talent-maker, and that's impossible to deny.

    This has gone a little sideways, though, don't you think? Now, not only is the vitriol flying at Emery, those of us who aren't throwing ourselves in front of busses with you over it are now just what - stupid? Backwoods morons because we think Emery, Trestman, and Kromer might see something we/you don't?

    Hell, I don't know if he's going to be a pro-bowl, D9 Cat of an O-lineman; he hasn't played a single down for us yet. He doesn't even have a locker, for God's sake. And I don't give a flying fuck what the media likes or dislikes about the pick.

    As for your throw-away dismissal of me and other fans and the side-effects of our loyalty derangement, though, *ahem*, "Kiss My Country Ass" by Blake Shelton is the song I twanged when I read your post.

    Bear down, bro.

  • Who says I'm "historically hysterical"?

    Arguing that Eifert is a BETTER player than Long, right now, not in 2 or 3 years, is hysterical?

    Arguing that Chandler Jones last year was a better fit for us than Shea is hysterical?

    If anything, Emery is singing "Kiss My Country Ass" to Bear fans.

    Oh, all you experts think you know better, but I'll go ahead and choose someone 'cause I'm that much smarter.

    Wasn't Jeff first rule, "Don't get cute"?

  • P.S.

    Bear down.

  • common boys... kiss and make up.

    No room for that shit here. The pick is made.

    Pros and cons... let's see how it pans out. then we can go apeshit one way or the other.

  • Here is a look at what you guys were saying after Bear Jew fell to us in 2011:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/da-bears-blog/2011/04/the-bears-first-round-pick-gabe-carimi/

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    In reply to Viva:

    I think Carimi is going to be a stud this year. I said it. Now where does Long play?

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    RG

  • In reply to Viva:

    Bear Jew was a great selection. It's just that his knee came off of his leg......

    He'll be better this year. Tice admitted he had no power after he came back from the injury. He's had the whole offseason to strengthen.

    Trust me, i was almost pre-med.

  • His knee came off because the motherfucking Saints put a bounty on it.

    Carmini got rollerballed.

  • In reply to Viva:

    And then the Saints took out his knee for a bounty.
    He was a day one starter at RT, was projected by many to be the #1 tackle prospect in that draft, and we got him all the way at #29.
    Yeah, I was excited.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I was happy with the Carimi pick.

    But a fan also has to trust that the GM listens to his medical staff.

    Carimi fell because of the medical flags by other teams, but Jerry either got different intel or decided to ignore his doctors.

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I still believe that Carimi can be productive IF he's healthy this year.

    It's sort of what's happening to Carradine this draft. He's dropping because of his medical.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Wow. Julio Jones cost five picks .... Carimi was rated the third best tackle by Mayock .... ?

  • ok, i'm out. Te'o, Ertz or Barrett Jones tonight boys.

    Bear Down on some whiskey and stop being pussies!!!!!

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    I know it's the Bleacher Report, but here...
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1586667-5-reasons-gabe-carimi-will-be-a-successful-offensive-guard

  • The Jets worked Slauson out at center. In practice, at least, he looked good at center.

    I have no reason to think he cannot play center.

    That makes our line:

    Bushrod-Long-Slauson-Carmini-Webb

    Scott is the swing tackle. Garza can backup RG and C.

    That is an extremely tall interior line, with both guards above 6'6". But that line should vastly improve Forte's ability to run between the tackles. Bush should have recovered from his rib problems, and I think that should help Trestman establish the run much better.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7001790/new-york-jets-use-matt-slauson-center-colin-baxter-struggles

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wasn't Emery pretty adament about Garza at center though?

    I'm all for that Oline, except maybe Scott at RT and Webb at Swing.

    Here's an alternate.

    Bushrod-Long-Slauson-Garza-Carimi

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fuck that. Scott at RT .. Webb at BK.

    Burger King.

  • LULZ!!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Is Edwin Williams still on the roster? Wasn't he a backup center?

    Damn, we'd need that tall lanky country fuck Glennon after all. Just to see over his line .....

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    Is this pick about Trestman's offense? Playing with "pace"?

    What Kelly did to re-invent the Oregon offense was simplify the playbook but kick up the pace of the plays. There's no huddle, there's no long-winded announcement of the play by the quarterback. Just a snap and a play before players pick themselves up off the ground and repeat.

    "It's a learning experience," Long said of playing in the system. "You need to have mental toughness, physical toughness and you have to be in condition to play in an offense that moves in such a high tempo.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZFaPezzM4k

    From 1:21 to 1:22, that is getting rollerballed.

  • Okay, Goodnight and wetdreams.

    Arthur Brown and a center this morning please. If Slauson is playing center, how about Franklin the RB for shits and giggles?

  • I wonder if anyone won a Tshirt. I like the pick and from what I read I hear this guy is a fuckin beast.

  • The guy hasn't even played one game. All I keep reading everywhere is how stupid this pick was, and how dumb PE is. Geez ppl give the guy a chance. Did any of us scout him? pretty sure PE knows something we don't. I trust PE, so why cant any of yall. PE has done what we want since day one. Trust him.

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    THe NFL scouted him. He scored in the 70s.

    Only the Giants (besides Bears) picked a player rated in the 70s in the 1st round, and nobody seems to understand why.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    sleeper GP. sleep pick.

  • Kyle Long draft profile.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKE7PwX9zDs

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    Here's eifert's in contrast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpghR18SaKo

    Oh, wait... never mind... uhhhh, don't watch that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    New thread MB...

  • We wanted Oline help, we got it.

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    yup, when all chips on the table... that's the answer and reason.

    I have to be onboard.

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