DaBearsBlog fully endorsed the selection of Kyle Long in the first round for the Chicago Bears. If he's terrible we will take full responsibility.
But here is what the Reverend thinks of draft day prognostication.
DaBearsBlog, Reverend Dave Kienzler
Rev's got a point about picking another safety.
I stopped it after 20 seconds.
We don't need safeties. Our best safety isn't even starting yet, Steltzbomber will be solid and Hardin could be anything.
That was his point.
anything but a productive non-injured PUPlist whore.
plenty of skilled players on both sides o the ball gents.
...and barrett jones bitches!
Can we sign a petition to overturn Jeff's official endorsement?
I'll be first.
Dammit, I'm ready!
Nice to know that for the 2nd year straight we're on the NFL.com poll about who made the most bozo 1st round pick.
It seems like Emery is trying to outsmart everyone. Sometimes the best pick is a guy who was could have gone as high as third (Floyd) or the guy 7 out of 10 experts thought you should pick (Eifert), or the guy with the most trade value (Geno Smith).
Kyle Long, 6'7, 311, 24.
Grade. 5.4 (167th best player)
STRENGTHS - Long has the height and frame the NFL requires at offensive line and should be able to pack on additional weight. His quickness off the ball allows him to get into defenders quickly both at the LOS and out in space on screens and pulls. He's an aggressive player at the POA that is able to drive block effectively because of his punch and willingness to play to the whistle. He plays with a strong punch in pass pro, which helps him counter some of his athletic limitations.
WEAKNESSES - Long displays poor lower body flexibility, as he tends to bend at the waist and struggle with his balance. He has a habit of stopping his feet on contact on both run and pass blocks, which causes him to reach and fall off blocks early. In pass protection he tends to set too high which not only leaves him susceptible to bull rushes, but also makes it difficult for him to change directions efficiently to combat counter-moves.
SUMMARY - Kyle Long tried to carve his own athletic path (his father is Hall-of-Famer Howie Long, his brother is St. Louis Rams DE Chris Long) by playing baseball at Florida State. After academic struggles and a DWI arrest in January 2009 he dropped out of school, and spent two years playing DE and OT in JUCO before transferring to Oregon for his senior year. Long certainly looks the part of an NFL offensive lineman, and plays with the same competitiveness that is brother does for the Rams. While his punching power and aggressiveness at the POA generally allow him to control the LOS, he plays with a stiff lower body and struggles to sustain blocks on both pass and run plays. He is a better fit inside at guard because he struggles in space in pass protection, but with increased flexibility he could develop into a solid starter. Long is worth an early day three selection, as his strength and competitiveness lends itself well to the NFL game.
167th best and we took him at 20. SMH.
OGs ranked higher than Long, still available, who are younger, had more than 4 starts, benched more than ZERO reps, and weren't addicts...
OG Hugh Thorton
OG Dallas Thomas
OG Brian Winters
OG Alvin Bailey
OG Earl Watford
OT Menilik Watson
OT Terron Armstead
OT David Quessenberry
OT Brennan Williams
OT Oday Aboushi
OT David Bakhatiari
OT Reid Fragel
THEN, OT/OG Kyle Long.
I know Mayock ranks them differently, but if you're going by Mayock, then why not get the #2 OVERALL graded prospect in Floyd, as opposed to the #29 ranked player?
NEED. That can be the only response.
And how many times have we argued on this blog that BPA is the way to go in the 1st rd? It's practically a truism, a Newtonian Law, an irrefutable equation.
You need to chill out man. Every team drafts for need in the 1at two rounds, then it's BPA. You're clearly way too worked up about this.
You're right. From now on, I'm back on Angelo mode.
Hope Emery doesn't fuck it up too badly in the first. It's my own stupid fault for actually fooling myself that the Bears can actually get a 1st rounder I can get excited about.
This is another draft choice that we really won't be able to label as a bust until after four years.
Shea and Long have a lot to prove and Emery better hope they do. Otherwise, he will start getting compared to former general manager "he who shall not be named"
Thanks for coming over to chat guys. Much appreciated.
In four years, Long will turn 29 if we make the playoffs.
Well Carimi and Williams were touted as good, solid picks before we picked them. Let's hope E Train knows more about what a quality lineman looks like than we do. I like that the kid was able to bounce around around, walk in the door and be an instant starter in a really good, fast moving offense. At first, I was pissed. This pick is growing on me after some sleep.
MB . . . . . You have Phil's ear sir. Offensive line it is. And it might be again tonight.
I read he started 10 games. Not so?
Everything I've read is that he only started four games at guard at Oregon, after being a backup at tackle. He -played- in 10 games at Oregon.
It took injuries across the board at Oregon for him to become a starter.
You know, I hope he works out. I really do.
Me too. That certainly changes the equation for me. I thought he transferred and became an immediate starter at Oregon. That would be huge. Back to wait and see mode.
It reflects well on him that he did not come in with a deep background on the o-line and managed to contribute at a program like Oregon in his first (and only) year...but shit!
Why draft a sleeper on day 1? Why not wait till the 2nd day? I thought you justified drafting a player in the later rounds with that label. Instead of using common sense, Emery is demonstrating his dangerously immense ego. Remember the Cubbies drafting pitcher Hayden Simpson in the 1st round a few years ago because he was the sleeper in the draft. The McCashkeys had the final say in picking Emery as GM and are still running the Bears drafts.
Nope. Why would you even say that? The Bears need linemen more than any other position. They drafted the one that they graded the highest. Not the one some "expert" graded down the list. I'm guessing Kromer had some I put on this call an must have seen something he likes. Did you watch the kid play? I'd bet real money you didn't. I hate this kind of nonsense.
Read what I wrote again. You missed my point, idiot.
Terrible, terrible pick. He'll be "old" when is rookie contract expires. Not like we drafted a 10 year set it and forget it OG. Fucking terrible, terrible horrible obnoxious pick
Your final point was that the McCaskeys had the final say in the first round selection. You said they're still running the Bears drafts. And I'm
the idiot? You honestly think the McCaskeys had a single fucking second of Phil's time regarding the draft? Really? Check yourself dumbass.
You missed my point again. I bet your grammar school teachers were happy to see you leave.
Yeah. They were pissed cuz I don't write so good on blogs. Since I'm stupid and don't get it, was your point that you don't like the pick? Was it the pick was no good because the McCaskeys hired the wrong guy and he made a bad pick? Was it that the McCaskeys are really making the picks? Were you pissed because
the McCaskeys had the final say on hiring Phil as you stated? You know they own the company right? Who did you want to make the hire? Or are you simultaneously pissed that they hired a GM you don't AND the McCaskeys still made the pick rendering the GM hire meaningless. You're right. I missed your point. Try again.
Vikings win the division with an infusion of youth, adrian petersen and a horse crap QB, while our defense gets old and can't stop anyone.
Mike, i'm going to need you to step back from the ledge my friend.
I've been thinking this year was going to suck, since they canned lovie. First Year coaches rarely do well. I don't think any have ever won the SB. Pretty sure a guy without any NFL Head Coaching experience has never won in his first year. This pick has rebuild written all over it. Look how smart I am. I can pick a 2nd round guy in the first year, two years in a row. Well, that would be one thing if the first time you did it, it actually worked. What we have with Mclellin is a guy who will play DE. Just a guy.
He'll make an occasional play. Same shit with Long. He'll be a guy. An average OG. Which is fine. But WTF. I didn't even think we needed an OG. Say what you will but Carimi is going to come back better than he was last year. he'll focus at OG during the offseason, while healthy enough to practice. Not only that there will be a dozen guards taken in rounds 2-7 that eventually are "just a guy" for there squad. Meanwhile, the Vikings get the best DT, a top 3 CB and just for good measure they pick up a top flight WR.
What did we do? Oh yeah, we drafted a "guy who will eventually play". He's old, inexperienced and with a history of personality issues.
first of all I agree that Carimi will come back solid this year. I feel that he was really hampered by that knee. Now that he has had a full year to rehab and get full strength back I'm positive that he'll be good to go. Long intrigues me because he reminds me of an Orlando Franklin. Tons of upside, Huge frame just waiting to be put in the right strength coaches hands and the pedigree of NFL royalty.
The Vikes definitely had an awesome draft. I agree with their mindset. Why hoard 4th thru 7th round picks when you can have multiple 1st or second rounders.
He's 24yrs old and that means he could be a bookend for 7-8 years easy instead of 10. I'm sorry but that's not going to make me piss in my cheerios. To bitch about a guy being 24 instead of 22 is simply not a valid reason to think that he won't be a solid player for years to come.
We'll be fine. We've upgraded seriously this past offseason. Fucking serious upgrades
"To bitch about a guy being 24 instead of 22 is simply not a valid reason to think that he won't be a solid player for years to come."
It IS a valid reason when on top of being OLD, he's a PROJECT, with only 4 starts, 0 bench presses, and admitted he was an addict.
If you get a 24 yr old 4 year starter from a major program without red flags, then no, it's no problem.
Oh, and he'll be 25 in December.
You don't build Da Google with kids from state schools. You build Google with Stanford and MIT and CalTech people. You may think the Zuck is a giant dick, which he is, but he carried an A average at Harvard and never showed up to class, before he left after writing most of the major modules of Facebook in 2 months.
Only Justin Pugh had a lower score than we did. He was a 72, Long was a 78. Every other draft choice graded in the 80s and 90s.
If you keep taking a pass on elite talent when it's there, you get run over. It appears the Bears perpetual fate to have to address the fact they can't draft or develop through free agency.
I hear you gp. I do. But I'm not shaking my head in disgust this morning like most.
There was likely no threat that Long was going to get snatched so Emery grabbed him with a sigh of relief. I have to believe this has more to do with Kromer, Trestman, and Emery looking for a particular talent/mindset, and they see it in Long.
Lots have brought up Shea Mc., but ya know, he was under Lovie's tutelage and schemes last year. I'm anxious to see what he becomes this season.
As for Long, will say he looks like he can be one pissed off violent dude on the line, and I'll gladly hand the Vikings their crown for being Kings of the Draft. Which is like handing out an MVP award during preseason.
Post more often Plank. Good, sensible points.
Three years in a row, the Bears have left MAJOR talent on the board. Been confirmed in 2 of the last 3 years. Carimi when we could have had Franklin, Chicken Dinner when we could have had that DE who was an actual DE and had 6.5 sacks (damn, can't remember his name) and this year when we left a top 5 player on the board.
Mike, EVERYONE had Carimi graded out over Franklin. EVERYONE.
I can't disagree about McClellin as I was screaming that we were about to get chandler jones or Reilly Reiff.
I wanted Ertz but I also couldn't reconcile the fact that his selection would probably mean that 2 piece if not 3 pieces of the below average performing Line would have had a decent shot at starting again.
We needed to address it and Pugh was selected right before us. that was our Right Tackle. Franklin stepped it the fuck up when he got to the pros. Maybe Long can do the same thing.
meant "wanted Eifert"
I awoke to a bright fresh morning and Kyle Long is a Chicago Bear. While I was fucking disgusted as I watched every offensive lineman that I thought I wanted for the Bears get selected before our pick at 20 and became more and more enthusiastic at the prospect of grabbing Eifert and then OL in the 2nd round I have to say that I'm not as confused as I was last night.
Here is the simple truth. We needed an infusion of talent at OL on the right side of the line. Kyle Long has 4 or 5 months to add to that immense frame before the season. I'll trust a guy like Kromer because he knows talent and has developed it on a SuperBowl winning team in an organization that was on a serious roll over the last couple of years.
I wanted a tackle but overall I wanted an OL. If Ertz falls to 50 we can accomplish the goal or we can take another OL in 2 and be done with the Line for a while.
There is still more free agency to be had as well. Do not despair. We needed an OL infusion of talent and we got it. Now we are going to find out if it is talent that can be exploited in our "win now" mode.
Oh, and Geno Smith is a fucking pussy.
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Look, I am with all you guys 100% that it was a pretty big fucking reach, and we're all comparing it to CD last year... and maybe rightly so, but like yonny said:
* We needed oline above all else - for the last 6 fucking years!!
* Long was graded out as the next best available olinemen... no matter what round we were in at that moment
* Yes, there were better graded players at other positions.... that we didn't need as badly... AND that just weren't coming off the board - this is the big one for me... if there was a run on ILBs and/or TEs and/or DBs (there kinda was), then I think we would have reached from Brown or minter at the spot and people would be crying over that as well. As it stands, we reached, but he was the next best guy at the position(s) we desperately needed to fill the most. At least is wasn't a reach in a spot we didn't desperately need like CD was.
* Yes, he has issues, but he is a long and we'll just have to wait and see
** Bonus bullet point: I fucking HATE this website.
I don't know about the rest of you but in the 2nd I want a qb. It seems to me like there are 5 or so fairly decent qbs available. I do want someone who will push Cutler in camp. I do want someone who can fill in when Cutler inevitably goes down. More importantly I want our back up to be desirable to other teams 3 years down the line so we can trade his ass for additional draft picks. Which I believe some people from this blog were advocating last off season. Only having 5 draft picks and no third is not a good position to be in. Part of the reason why the Pats are so good is that they always seem to have draft picks to burn. The Bears have everything and nothing covered. Isn't that the reason we were able to draft the best player available?
Your last sentence confuses me.
Last two sentences.
And no, I don't want to go QB in the second round.
Not with holes on the O-line, linebacker, CB, WR that could get filled...this is not the year to play cutesy with loading up on 5th-7th round picks.
Bang! Bang! Exactly rabbit
And we didn't draft BPA, we drafted BPAATSWNM (best player available at the position we needed most)
I'm calling for jones in the second... if he's gone brown or minter. if they're gone... fuck it amrestead the beastly.
It would be nice to have a guy like Kirk Cousins around, for trade bait or backup purposes, but that isn't likely. Unless one of
the better qb's on the board is a genuine surprise, I doubt any of them would push Cutty either. The Bears still have pressing needs on the oline and really need another quality line backer. I hope they go that route.
again... exactly johnny.
OL then ILB. that's pretty much it.
This is awesome. Leave it to a fucking ozzie
I thought I could sleep it off, but I am actually MORE disgusted this morning with the pick. Another "meh" 1st rounder.
Aren't we all fucking tired of hoping we DON'T fuck up the 1st round? It got so bad under Angelo, that many fans preferred just trading away our first altogether, and we're heading down the same road with Emery.
Remeber, Angelo actually drafted pretty well after the 1st, and brought in some pretty kick ass FAs to make up for his atrocious 1st rounders, FAs like Pepp and Cutler.
It's like all the kids got all the bad ass toys, like bikes, nintendos, remote control cars, and here we are with a $10 gift certificate to payless.
Looking back fondly on Angelo? Now I know you're on tilt.
lol, i view Long like a penny stock. He might make us millions or he may just be another penny stock that is a penny stock for a reason.
It's just hard to stomach our GM continually picking unknown quantities in the first round instead of known quantities that would be plug and play starters. he's done it 2 years in a row now with McClellin and Long. If you look at the list of guys that were left on the board from the last 2 years you will not be a happy camper.
With that being said, i feel that we needed to address this position. I just hope to hell it was with someone that improves the Bears instead of someone who takes up space.
Also, speaking of reaching. The reason why I hate the McClellin pick so much is because if we just picked Reiff or DeCastro when they were available we could have solved this line problem last year along with this current FA period. Then we could have focused on other needs in this draft to make them strengths.
Also, can we stop with the "we need someone to come in and push Cutler" bullshit. Have you watched what this guy has been able to pull off with horseshit to work with? Imagine what will happen with a scheme and the weapons we now have....even without...uh....the best tightend in uh....the entire draft sitting in front of us at 20. Did you see how fucking quickly the Bengals made their choice? They were freaking out how bad we Raidered this pick.
Would have been happier with this: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/365001/fluker.jpg
I'm constantly going back and forth on this one gents.
We desperately needed to fix the oline, but we could also have filled spots with potential franchise talent at ILB and TE for the next 10 years.
I would have felt MUCH better about the pick were it not for the actuals on Long... I have to agree they are a bit scary. Is it wrong of me to think I would have been more excited about a guy like Armestead?
We need something until tonight right?
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