NFL Draft Expert Scott Wright Joins Me Thursday

NFL Draft Expert Scott Wright Joins Me Thursday

Many of you spend far more time than I analyzing the NFL Draft with countless mocks and prognostications. It's never been my thing.

It is very much the thing of Scott Wright, the founder and lead man of NFL Draft Countdown. I will be recording a podcast with Wright Thursday evening and the pod will run here immediately after.

So what do I need? If you had the chance to ask Wright one question, what would it be? Breakdown of a player? Draft philosophy? Where the run of quarterbacks will begin?

Share your questions in the comments section below and I'll cite the better ones during the interview.


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  • Questions to ask:

    1) Who will be the biggest reach in this years draft class, a la Ponder from two years ago?

    2) With the massive hype that the other OL players outside Joeckel have been gathering since February (Fisher, Johnson, Cooper), who would he project out of originally thought of 'top 10' picks that could slide to the bears? (e.g. Bjoern Werner was considered top 5 but he might slide over risers like Ansah. Please tell him Teo is not allowed cause that's obvious)

    3) Who does he think the Lions, Pack, and Vikes will go for in the 1st round? I've seen Lions fans drooling over Ansah and Fisher, but my main concern is what the Vikes and Pack do.

    4) Which players in the 1st would he AVOID under any circumstance. A good example I can think of would be Jarvis Jones with his spinal problems (even though they may not be that big a deal).

    Thanks Jeff.

  • What are the chances that Warmack or Cooper drop to the Bears at 20?

  • This Scott Wright fellow seems to think Cooper will be around. He has the Bears drafting Cooper at 20:


    Scouting Report
    The Bears have been mismanaging and downright neglecting their offensive line for years and it has really taken a toll on both the team and Jay Cutler. Last offseason Chicago opted to stick with the status quo up front and the results were disastrous as the Bears once again ranked near the bottom of the league in sacks allowed. The front office finally took action and signed Jermon Bushrod as a free agent but they could still use some additional help. Even though Alabama’s Chance Warmack gets more attention there are many who believe North Carolina OG Jonathan Cooper is just as good and in some cases an even better prospect. An explosive athlete with outstanding mobility, Cooper is ideally suited for a zone blocking scheme and would represent a huge upgrade at left guard in the Windy City. With the losses of both Brian Urlacher and Nick Roach there are major question marks at linebacker too so Georgia’s Alec Ogletree might be an option. The Bears already potent passing attack could also use an infusion of speed, especially since Devin Hester isn’t as dynamic as he used to be, so despite selecting Alshon Jeffery in the second round a year ago keep an eye on Cordarrelle Patterson of Tennessee and Tavon Austin of West Virginia.

    Sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Anyone know how Bushrod graded out lower than Webb in pass pro by the way?

    If those guards aren't there, we're guaranteed to get a stud LB/DE/DT right?

    Has Phil got the cojones to trade out of the first if it looks like we'd be reaching? Look around. We need the picks. Our best lineman is a Fin. We have a knackered center. We're short on linebackers. Our receivers after Beast and Baby Beast aren't exactly awe-inspiring. Does anyone have a clue about our TEs? How far are Forte and Bush away from an injury? We find ourselves in the position of drafting the best safety in the draft. Is he worth drafting? Do any blog members throw a seven if we draft a safety in the first?

  • Earl Bennett is a damn good receiver, Irish. We just had a QB obsessed with throwing to one guy last year.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    point. 1 - agree
    point 2 - dead wrong

  • Your complete inability to be in any way objective about Cutler just won't be cured, will it?

  • In reply to Shady:

    I said the same thing about Cooper and Warmack. I just want to know if it's really possible for it to happen. 19 teams are ahead of us and 12 other teams could leapfrog us.

    I believe it is. Guards and centers usually drop to the 20's but Warmack and Cooper are phenomenal players at their positions.

  • How realistic is a Cooper, Ogletree, Jones in 1, 2, and 3 (that Emery trades for)

  • Shady, #karma

    So fucking priceless.

  • 1. How likely is it the Bears can/will trade back to acquire more picks? For instance, a trade with a team like San Francisco, who has 15 picks, makes a lot of sense.

    2. Would Tyrann Mathieu be a good fit in the 3rd round as a slot corner/ kick returner? Could we trade to get a 3rd round pick?

    3. What positions are the Bears most pressing needs? Is it still linebacker and o-line? Who can we realistically take with the picks we have to draft them?

    4. Is Tyler Eifert as good as advertised? Would a 2- TE set, a la New England, with Bennett and Eifert be a realistic possibility? Or do the Bears go another direction in round 1?

    5. What do the Bears do for a long term back-up? Cutler hasn't been able to play a full season in a long time. Is there one available in the draft, or do we roll with Blanchard?

    6. Where and when does Te'o get drafted? I keep hearing Minnesota, but do they really take him with a top 25 pick?

  • In reply to jimmychange:

    Was going to ask a similar question to #1.

    Seems like theres a lot of potential for the Bears to move down. A few teams have more draft picks than can realistically make their final roster cuts and other teams might want to move back into the 1st to grab "their guy" at QB.

    The Bears seem to have a lot of flexibility. They need depth and guys who can take over as starters in a year or two. What kind of value do you think Emery can get if he does decide to move back?

    What realistic targets are there at 20 that you consider too good pass on even if he has a solid offer on the table?

  • In reply to reprisal:

    Also in that vein, who are youre top targets that might be available for the Bears in rounds 4-7(especially on defense)?

  • In reply to reprisal:

    GP or NBIT mentioned Tyler Wilson QB, and he appears to be a solid pick if he's around later - although with no third rounder he should be off the board by then. A trade down might be just the thing for us, grab a punch of solid players without worrying about drafting the right stud.

  • 1. Who's the #1, #2, #3 QB in this draft (according to him)?

    2. Who does he rank higher, Desmond Trufant or Xavier Rhodes and are they worth the 20th pick?

    3. Would he draft Ogletree at 20 given his off-field red flags?

    4. Is Ansah worth a top 5 pick?

    5. Would Jarvis Jones make sense as a LB in the Bears D?

    6. Is 20 to high for Aurthur Brown?

    7. Who's better Riddick, Bostic or Kiko Alonso? (and what round do you see each going in?)

  • Trufant vs. Rhodes? Is that a serious question?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I know Rhodes is now considered the better CB of the two, but that wasn't always the case, and Trufant seems to be "rising" - I'm just curious on his take if he has caught Rhodes and whether Trufant would be a "reach" at 20. grades them this way.

    Rhodes 86.2
    Banks 84.4
    Trufant 84.1

  • How do you guys think the turn out will be for voluntary camp this year? Good participation? Too many veterans skipping for personal/Lovie reasons?

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I would hope they would almost all show up, given that there is a new system coming in.

  • Not sure whether its new or old news, but Chris Williams got a one year deal with the Rams, according to Schefter via Biggs worth up to a max of $2.75M.

  • @Scott: Been a fan of your site for years now, and really glad you can join the Blogfather.

    So, my question is: why are guards so highly rated? Seems recently teams/draft experts project an OG to go high in the first round, which seems to be a reach, given that the position is (aside from kickers) the least-important in the game. Why pick the best guard on the board when you can have the #2 OT, LB, etc.?

    In other words, even with the Bears' holes in the OL, doesn't it make more sense for them to pick a position other than OG with their first pick?

  • The Bears OL problems go beyond protecting the QB. Last year vs the Seahawks they (minus Louis & Rachal) couldn't even get a lousy foot of push on 4th and 0.333 at the Seattle 15.

    I don't know anything about the value of guards in the draft, but the Bears HAVE to be able to convert in those situations.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I can't tell you enough how strongly I feel about making this an ALL oline offseason. Let's just fix it no matter what. We can't keep going on like this.

    All the guys on the blog talking fucking QB in rd1 this year are CRA CRA!!!! Dude, we need to fix the fucking oline, then cutty will look like the QB we all expected (plus add a speedy WR somehow).

    Also, I think this draft guy and me share a brain... or he's just been reading... me... over the last 4 years. Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, but like others on da blog, I have a feeling Emery doesn't want to spend a first on OL, not if there's something sexier on board, and there will be.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB........ you've known me for how long???? Since the beginning of this blog...I think.
    I HAVE ALWAYS SAID "GET ME TWO FUCKING GUARDS"!!!! I will not back down from that...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm talking in the second round. Which is looking very likely considering McCown and Blanchard are the 2013 Bears backups.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    It's not just that the Bears have such a need at guard. Somewhat like to Joeckel and Fisher, Warmack and Cooper are seen as some of the best guard prospects in years, not merely the top guards in this draft. So if there was ever a year to spend a day one pick on a guard, this is it.

  • Time to get down to business:


    First Meeting-

    M.T. " I have good news and bad news"- the bad news is "some of you will not be playing here this year" -and now the good news is "some of you will not be playing here this year".

  • In reply to lobotobear:,0,3730905.story

  • I just want to know if Warmack and Cooper are both there, who is the better choice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP...Warmack..but not by much....sheite!..... I wish we could take both!!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That would be a nice problem to have, but it won't happen. If it does, teams will be bidding for the Bears pick at #20. So, try to trade down for a later rd1 plus a rd2. Then get Ogletree (or Werner), Flucker, and Brown (or Minter)! That gives the Bears a killer D plus a solid OL.

    More likely Bears will get an offer of a later rd1 plus a rd3 for their pick at #20. Or an early rd 2 plus an early rd 3. Might not do that if Warmack or Cooper are there, I'm undecided.

    What does the guru think? Would SF give their rd1 plus rd2 for our rd1? Basically, SF's rd3 is a rd4, etc.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Warmack looks like he is destroying people and Cooper looks like he is blocking people.

    It's up to you.

  • I want Warmack. Nasty dudes like that have a big impact on defenders the rest of the game when they destroy those guys early on in a game. They can break their will, and it doesn't show up on the stats sheet.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    They "soften up" those interior defenders, then we can run on them with a lead late in the game.

  • In reply to The Fifth:


  • I might get flack for this as it isn't a question for Scott, rather one for the blog regarding the above posts about the importance of OG play in short yd situations:

    How come we never let Henry Melton take a crack in short yardage situations? Didn't that guy play RB in college?

    Might be a dumb question but seems like something that might have helped over the last few seasons.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Ben...LDL & Ticey proved they could not think outside the lines...and proved it on how horse sheite our "O" really was.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    The only reason I can think of is that they value him too much on D to possibly get him hurt playing goal line running back where the D can sell out and kill dudes without worrying about much else.

    He'd be a badass on the goal line.

  • The bears put him on kick return one time his rookie year and the guy that had to tackle him almost died.

  • Could you imagine what it'd be like trying to take that guy down when he had a full head of steam? Fuck that.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    I was hoping at some point to see Lance Louis as a receiver. Too late now.

  • btw guys... totally not fb related, but thought I'd ask anyway.

    I'm not really a fasion guy, so thought I'd poll you guys about the new bedset I just got. I like the color and the height, and it fits into my bedroom color scheme and everything, just don't know if I made the right choice because it was pretty expensive.

    What do you guys think:,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNERqYRv_DCOJeclTft8XCkri8IWDA&ust=1365003141262957

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If it comes with a year supply of Viagra..I'd say yes good choice.


  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Or Freddie Mercury's signature of authenticity.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB.....the biggest concern you should have is..Will she be on the bedpost's more than on "you"?...hahahahahahaha

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    Found out where you got your bed, MB. Next vacation, try Miami. Bring a date and a moving van.

    probably NSFW (although YouTube doesn't require adult login to view):!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Ahhh fuck. I broke da blog again.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Or did I??? Seems I can still reply. So the fix worked, I guess?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Looks like closing the tag worked this time, without disabling replies. Did CN actually improve???

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch...that first opening was that Mickey doing Pluto? with Minnie watching?...WTF????hahahahahahahaha

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I looked at it in HD - it's Pluto peeing on a portrait of Mickey.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    tee hee hee

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    these are the girls to help fix MB's house:??

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    As an professional artist: I approve these links!...

    thanks Crunch!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    You're welcome. Interesting that the woman who opened the museum (Naomi Wilzig) also founded the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C.

  • Also not football related... but, uh, any of you gents familiar with the Whitest Kids U Know?

    AKA the best sketch comedy since Mr. Show? Well, Chappelle I guess...

    Either way, if you haven't checked them out, please do so NOW. I went and saw them perform live last night and the shit was great. If you're a fan - check the dates, I recommend it.

    One of the dudes just came out with a CD and it has some funny stuff... Including a song about the old Pope, which came out 4 days before the guy quit...


  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    WWG.................familiar with them....fucking funny sheite!!!!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Look up the whitest kids skit 'slow jerk' on youtube, pretty funny stuff

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    They did that sketch last night... 'twas funny.

  • another shoe has dropped:,0,3479161.story

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Salute to the Toe-Cutter! From: the Night-Rider!

    Also, let's ask Wright if the Bears got jobbed by letting Cookie go for nothing more than a ham sammich.

    I maintain the Rams may just get mileage and a starting guard out of Cookie this year. That happens and hopefully Tice never sniffs the NFL ever again.

  • Testing to see if it's still possible to reply to new comments posted after I closed the tag.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Ask Scott Wright how much he wants for his forum.

  • Testing testing testing.

  • How would Ogletree fit into the Bears defensive schemes and will he be there at 20? Is Brown too much of a reach at 20? And what linebackers are potential targets at #50 if the Bears don't go there in the first round?


  • In reply to gf2020:

    See this:

    Yeah. Bears hate shit like that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I hope not GP.

    As lobo says, the fucking kumbaya lovie era is over. I want to win trophies using real football players. I don't give a rats fucking ass about off the field stuff. let the vets and coaches deal with that.

    If he's good, let's get him. We can socialize him to the 'bears way' once he's here, and if he doesn't work out... cut his ass.

    we need to start taking changes now that fucking lovie lovable loser smith is gone. Ogletree and the honey badger are perfect examples. Let's do this... maaaaAAAANNN!

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I still think Tank Johnson and his trunk of shotgun death weighs on the Teddy and George.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If the Bears can sign DJ Williams and look the other way then they can sign Olgetree.

    Plus, don't forget all of the problems Mr. Marshall brought with him from Miami. Thank Jay Cutler because Marshall has been a good boy since.

    The days of the Bears being scared to sign bad boys looks like it's over.

  • Oh, add Even Rodriguez to that list too.

  • I think Marshall has a legitimate mental illness that is under control thanks to therapy, not Jay Cutler.

  • Already starting the "Mind Fuck" for non-complancancy:

    I fucking love it!!!!
    again M.T.'s first speech to the team-

    " I have good news and bad news"- the bad news is "some of you will not be playing here this year" -and now the good news is "some of you will not be playing here this year".

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I meant..........non-complacency

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    I have to be honest with you guys...

    I fucking LOVE this man. yeah, it may not work out and we may look back and think of this as another wanny period (even though I really don't get that feel.. at ALL), but just having lovie's bullshit pussy ways gone is getting me pumped. Not that he's gone I really realize how much I hated him and his ways... no not him as a guy you'd have a beer with, but as the HC of our Chicago bears. Fucking HATED it. He was all wrong man.

    Anyway, without rambling, I'll just say that as a bears fan, what I've seen so far from Emery and trestman (and his daughters) this so far makes me a VERY happy and hopeful fan. All hail the new era, down with lovie and JA... viva la revolucion bitches!

  • from Da Site:

    Hey Melt-Melt...Lach can still comeback to this team an contribute if he wants too.,0,860598.story

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    hell yes... you feel that henry... it's called change... for the best.

    It's called get your fucking lunchpail cause we're going to fucking work... and the big prize at the end of the rainbow is a few lombardis and crying packer fans for the next 5-10 years baby!

    That weird feeling, that unsettling, strange feeling... know what that's called maboy? It's called fucking opportunity baby.

    the only thing that stays the same is change, and if you're a person or org that relishes in that, you will see that wherever there is change, there is massive opportunity to just fucking win and to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

    Season... please start... tomorrow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You get 1200 blog points for quoting Khan.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD: ride their horses and clasp to your bosom Trestman's wife and daughters?

  • CBF....tee hee hee

  • Speaking of scouting grades, here's Russ Lande's Top 200 (from NFP).

    Another cheat sheet is Mayock's Top 5 at every position.

    And naturally, NFL.coms grades on their draft page.

  • Who was not there!!!?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Man Shea really doesnt look very big next to Pep. I also love that Cutler has the Smoking Jay look on his face even when working out. lol

  • I know Sac..I thought the same thing...where's the MAN BEEF!!!! second year...don't be a bust beyouch!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    maybe it will happen when he drops the other testical...he looks like he's fucking 12.....

  • In fairness, there's not many guys on the Bears that look very big next to JP.

  • Nobody looks big standing next to Pep.

    Steltz looks skinny.

    love Brandon's new fro :

  • Of all of yesterday's pranks, Google's dig against was the best...!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "A blue that was reminiscent of nature... but better than what nature created"


  • In reply to gpldan:

    World of Tanks announced Zombie mode. It sounded great.

  • Done too soon.

    Jack Pardee, 76, who led the Bears out of the vast wasteland of mediocrity that was the Gibron years and back to the playoffs for the first time in 14 seasons.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    :(..............hanging with his running back #34...R.I.P.

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    youngster's on this blog this was the beginning of the turn around:,0,6963930.story

  • In reply to lobotobear:


  • hey Melt-Melt...door's not Lach

    but he's got to realize...CHANGE IS IN THE AIR!!!! "The Kumbaya Revival has left the building.

  • In reply to lobotobear:


    did you see what I did there?

  • In reply to lobotobear:,0,5373952.story

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Didn't you always think that Urlacher would leave salty? I bet it'll be the same when the Cutler era ends.

  • Question for Scott. What are the chances the Bears take a shot at a white safety in the first round? But seriously, if Kenny Vacarro is there at 20, what are the odds Emery goes defense and safety? Do you think he trusts Chris Conte as his starting S?

  • In reply to Shady:

    I don't understand all the disrespect for Conte. The guy can fucking tackle, unlike any safety we've had for a long, long time.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It's because he's white Dave. I hate him because he's white. There. Happy?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Is it all whites or just white safeties?

  • In reply to Johnnywad:


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave, it's because he's a corner.

    He is not a good safety. He is a stopgap... because lovie wouldn't know a good safety if one walked up and kicked him in the fucking balls.

    Common Dave. You are a bright man. Conte was 'good' because he was told to line up 40 yards off the ball and not let anything get behind him man. Which he did well... as could doc, even at his advanced age.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Have you seen the Bears newest white safety play? Is Zbikowski any good (outside the boxing ring)?


    this is what happens when you're an asshole on the way out.

    54% brian. Cya... douche!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, just in case you didn't see it....

    54.... %. 54.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Fucking had the fan base in the palm of your hands and all you had to do is ride off into the sunset..milk the proverbially "tit" at every home game and take a bow for 14 great years. Instead you fuck the neighbors daughter and called her a ho after you couldn't get your rocks off.....

    You my friend are a great example of "A legend in your own mind"



    Doc, you're welcome.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm not complaining but damn, you look up or find a lot of girls half naked on websites lol

  • are you gay son..... cause there's totally nwwt.

    yes erik. i do. actually i get most of that shit from si's extra mustard blog, published twice a day. bang bang

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just wondering where you get it from. I was going to ask if you use reddit.. because you would love


  • that's for the youngsters. wippersnapper!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Erik always struck me as a 4chan kinda guy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

  • What is Infinity?

    At the risk of appearing stupid... Does this article say anything about infinity that isn't included in the basic concept? Anyone with half a brain already knows, "...Infinity = infinity + 1 = infinity + infinity = infinity × infinity...".

    The rest of the article is about infinite series of numbers, "countable" and "uncountable." Aren't all infinite series equally uncountable? Isn't one infinite series just as uncountable as two, or 10, or an infinite number of infinite series? Is there any meaningful distinction between these so-called "countable" and "uncountable" infinities? Is this article saying anything useful at all?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    can we please go back to looking at boobies now?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Infinite booooooooobiiiiiiieeeeeeezzzzzzzz.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    ahhhhh, better. thanks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just imagine... They'd be bigger than this:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    wow dude... that is one of the most awesomest things I've ever seen.

    Seriously that's way fucking cool.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I stumbled upon it the other day, I forget how. I also found the mother of all bouncing booby gif sites. I closed the tab because the animations were consuming too much memory, and I forgot to remember the address. The good news is, I do recall the address of the site that led to the site (that led to the site that led to the site) of the gifs:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    What's at the end of the universe? Does it just stop? I was talking to a friend about infinity and living forever over Easter. What is a scarier proposition, living forever in infinity or just being an insignificant blip in history like a sand in the hourglass, and so are the days of our lives? There are so many tangents to branch out into on these topics.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    I can't conceive of it stopping, so I'd have to say, 'more universe.' On the other hand, I can't conceive of infinite space. Sometimes I think the whole thing can't possibly exist.

    Eternal youth doesn't sound too bad, but if after a few million years, with all the drugs gone and no way to kill yourself, you find that you don't like it, you're so fucked. That's scarier to me than meaninglessness & nonexistence (I'm already familiar with those).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    This, is at the end of the universe:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Look up the BBC Horizon document on infinity.

    For example.

    Which set is bigger? The set of all infinite numbers ... or the set of all even infinite numbers?
    Logically one might assume that there are more numbers in the first set, but thsi is not the case as each number in the first set can be mapped to an even number in the second set. Map the first item to the second item et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.

    And if you can get your head around teh hotel with the infinite number of rooms, you should be teaching it.

  • I'll check it out. The other BBC documentaries (Order & Disorder pts. 1 & 2) were great.

    As for the sets, they're equally infinite, but the full set will always have twice the density, so it's bigger. LOL. Actual infinity has mass and takes up space. These infinities of abstract numbers don't exist at all. What they teach us may or may not be valid in the real world.

    Now I'm being forced to watch bat porn below so for the rest

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Rickrolled. I was expecting a video on bat cunnilingus, more's the pity.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch. Doc, being the professor, can probably explain this better than I can.

    The simplest example of two infinites which are not equal is the set of all rational numbers (numbers than can be written as a fraction) and the set of all "real numbers" (for the sake of discussion, call them the set of all numbers that can be written as a decimal).

    There are very practical differences in what you can do with "countable" infinite sets and "uncountable" infinite sets. For example, proving something by induction. Basically, if I can prove that something is true (call is a Proposition) for the number 1, and I can prove that where the Proposition is true for a number x, it is true for x + 1, then that means the Proposition is true for all numbers. If I can't "number" the set, then I can't use induction.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Funny, I was just talking about 'infinity' and other concepts which the human mind cannot grasp. It is almost literally impossible for our feeble minds to conceptualize certain scientific concepts as of now.

    Infinity is one of them.

    Every year universities host a contest to find the highest prime's an interesting process because it begs the question - what is the highest prime number, and was it always there, and if so, who put it there?

    The 4rth dimension is another concept which we can't imagine. My Physics Prof once told the class, "If you can imagine the 4rth dimension, congratulations, you're smarter than Einstein."

    String theory proposes multiple universes coexisting, which we can't really fathom.

    Particles can "disappear" at a quantum level, then "reappear", but where the hell did they disappear to? (one theory is to another universe).

    Anti-matter began as just a sort of mathematical game which later became true, which surprised many because it proved humans can describe truths using pure math without even knowing it.

    Human imagination has not caught up to human reason I guess (unless you're on a serious acid trip!) Then again, we only use a small portion of our brains, maybe when we unlock the other parts we will indeed be able to conceptualize such phenomenon as infinity or the 4rth dimensions ("Limitless" with DeNiro was about that).

    Here's a classic physics conundrum which almost sounds like a zen koan.

  • While tripping on acid and sniffing gas, I "thought" I saw wavelengths in the air or "felt" the air around me. It's probably just heightened senses like people in times of acute stress when adrenaline is flowing. Regarding the brain, what % can possibly used for complex thought? How much is used just to regulate all parts of the body and coordinate our movements?

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Haha. You're not alone, brother!

    Here's the link to the Irish's Doc "Infinity"

    It raises some very interesting points. I'm not sure I agree with many of the "expert" assumptions though. For instance, they contend that in an infinite universe - another you is walking around, but made a different choice. So maybe you fucked up in this life somehow, but in that other universe, you didn't. To me, that contradicts modern science's materialist (fatalistic/deterministic) premise. 2+2=4 no matter what universe. Just because it's POSSIBLE doesn't mean that it WILL happen. If what science claims is right (that the universe is all matter and as such MUST follow the laws of cause and effect), then humans (minds, emotions, etc) must also be subject to those laws and cannot be whimsically changed just as a twig floating down stream cannot suddenly stop and go upstring merely because it "can happen, so it MUST in an infinite universe no matter how small the percentage."

    If you're a non-materialist and believe in a "soul" or something along those lines, then that other "you" wouldn't exactly be "you".

    I call souls "cosmic social security cards" and if another exists, it's gotta be a different number to a different being (but let's not go off on a tangent here).

  • Butch, there is no highest prime number. There is a very elegant proof of that fact.

    Suppose there is a highest prime number. Then there is a finite list of prime numbers (2, 3, 5, 7, 11... up to the highest prime). But if that is the case, then take the product of all of those numbers (2x3x5x7x11x13...x "highest prime") and call that product "P." P+1 is a prime number (and so is P-1). If P+1 is divisible by some number, then that number can't be a prime number (because P is divisible by all of the prime numbers so P+1 can't be divisible by the same number). But if that number is not prime, then it is itself divisible by a prime number. That prime number would then also divide P+1, and so we reach a contradiction. It must be that no number divides P+1, and P+1 is therefore prime.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    The whole theory of "infinity" seems a contradiction, and counterintuitive. I'll have to investigate the "no highest prime number" because there is a lowest prime number. Hmmmm...

    Also, what the heck is this then?

  • Largest "known" prime number. There are lots of mathematical objects that we know exist but can't express.

    The Mersenne primes are interesting. Mersenne thought that 2^n - 1 is always a prime number for certain values of n (I believe all odd numbers, but it might be a smaller list). But that turns out to be false. Every now and then you get something called a "pseudo-prime." It turns out that there are also infinitely many pseudo-primes, so Mersenne's formula is not as useful as he hoped.

    It is a famous problem in math to find a simple algorithm for reliably generating prime numbers. Because we don't have a reliable way to do it, we still have the challenge of discovering and verifying prime numbers.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Checked wikipedia. Mesenne primes only work where n is a prime number, and even then are somewhat unreliable. Also pseudo-primes are more common than I expected.

  • Also, do your question of "how can there be no highest if there is a lowest?" I will give you a simple example.

    If Hester stands at the 20 yard line planning to break off a big return, there are defenders within 5 feet of him. There are defenders within 10 yards of him, 20 yards , 30 yards, etc. If the football field didn't have borders, we could put defenders successively further away from him forever. Eventually defenders would be millions of miles from him, and we could keep going off into space, off into infinite. In your imagination, you can see how the defenders can stretch off into infinite.

    So the distance away from Hester that a defender can be is boundless, stretching to infinite... but only in one direction. There is no greatest distance. There is, however, a least distance. The closest a defender can be is on top of him - zero. We have a least bound, but not a greatest bound.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I don't see two separate infinities, NewBear. I see a single, infinitely divisible numberverse* of infinite size. You could say there's an infinity of even numbers, or of odd numbers, or of decimal numbers between 2 and 3, etc, but they're all contained in the whole, inseparable from it, bounded by it in a sense. No?

    *made-up word = infinite set of all possible numbers. I don't know the correct term for that.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch, I'll give you a different example.

    There is something in logic called a "set." A set is a collection of objects. For example, numbers.

    For any set, we have something called a "power set." The power set is the set of all subsets of the original set. An example.

    Our set "S" = {0, 1}. This is the set of the numbers 0 and 1.
    The Power Set of S, written P(S) = { (), (0), (1), (0,1) }
    P(S) has four members: An empty set, the set containing the number 0, the set containing the number 1, and the set containing both 0 and 1.

    If you play with this, you will see that for any set "S" of with a given number of members ("x" members), P(S) will have 2^x members. So if there are 10 members of the set S, then P(S) will have 1024 members, etc. etc.

    It turns out that we can prove that the power set of S is larger than S even using infinites. So if we have a set of infinite numbers, let's say the set of all natural numbers "N," which is {1, 2, 3, 4...} off into infinite. The power set of N, P(N), is larger than N.

    How do I prove this? See my next post.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    You must have taken symbolic logic. That stuff gave me a headache!

    Infinity does go both ways, some thing can be infinitely big and infinitely small, and here's why it's counterintuitive to a certain degree.

    When Hester ran back a KR for a 100 yds, he first had to go 50 yds. however, before he ran 50 yds, he had to run 25, and before he ran 25, he had to run 12.5 yds, and 6 yds, 3 yds...etc etc Any measurement can be broken in half infinitely, so the question posed by an ancient Greek is - how is motion even possible since it would literally take forever to move even 1 yard because in between that 1 yard exists an infinity?

    It's labeled "The infinite divisibility of time" and he concluded that motion itself must be an illusion, to which everyone laughed off as Reductio ad Absurdum, but none could refute (until recently I think).

    Just something you guys could think about while watching someone other than Hester running it back a 100 yards.

  • Its a famous paradox, but you have to remember there that the distance and the time are reducing at comparable rates.

    100 yards in 10 seconds. 50 yards in 5 seconds. 25 yards in 2.5 seconds. 10 yards in 1 second. Etc etc. No matter how small the distance you need to travel, the unit of time required is equally small.

    This exists all the time in math and there are plenty of real life examples. Calculus, for example, is founded on this. Calculus asks "how do I calculate the area under a curve? I only know how to take the area of a rectangle" So calculus says "the line isn't so curvy when I cut it in half. The more I keep cutting, the less the line can curve." So we take one rectangle under the curve and get a very gross estimate. But we take 1,000,000,000 rectangles under the curve and we get a pretty close approximation.

    The Greek would say "but how can I take the area of a billion rectangles, that would be huge!" To which I say, "its a billion of a really small number." A billion steps of one one billionth of an inch is really not that much after all.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Okay, to prove that one set is larger or smaller than another we need some definitions.

    I'll represent sets using capital letters. Take two sets A and B. For right now, don't worry what they are sets of, just that they are sets.

    If A and B are finite, we can easily talk about which one is larger. If A has 5 members and B has 10 members, B is larger. But if I am obstinate and insist you prove it, you will do something like the following:

    Take the first member of A and the first member of B and cross is off. Take the second member of A and the second member of B and cross it off. Carry on like this until you run out of members of one or the other. In this case, you will run out of members of A but still have members of B left over. So B is bigger.

    What you have done is draw a "1-1 map" between A and B. For every one member of A, there is a corresponding 1 member of B. If A is bigger than B, I will run out of members of B before I run out of members of B. If B is bigger than A, I will run out of members A before I run out of members of B. If the map takes A "onto" B, so that for every member of A there is exactly one member of B that it maps to and vice versa, then you have two sets of the same size.

    You can extend this to infinite sets. The positive numbers are the same size as the even numbers because I simply map 1 to 2, 2 to 4, 3 to 6... x to 2x... forever and ever. If you show me a member of one set, I will show you exactly one member of the other set that it maps to and nobody is left out.

    The Power Set of a Set "S" is always bigger than S. I posted above that with finite sets, if S has x elements, the Power Set has 2^x elements. So suppose we have an infinite S and an infinite P(S). If they are both the same "size" that means that we have a 1-1 map from S onto P(S).

    But suppose such a map exists. That means that for each element of S ("x") there is exactly one member of P(S) that it maps to. Remember that P(S)'s members are basically all groups of elements of S. So what if we take the set of all of the members of S ("x") that map to members of P(S) which don't list themselves (call this group "A").

    For example: If S is the whole numbers. The number 1 could map to the subset (1,2), and the number 2 could map to the subset (3,4). In that case, 1 would not be in A because it maps to a set containing the number 1. 2 would be in A because it maps to a set that does not contain the number 2.

    Now A must have at least one member. The empty set (the set containing no elements) is a member of P(S). That means that there is some number that must map to the empty set, and therefore that number maps to a set that does not list the number. So that number is in A.

    So now we get a famous statement. Does the set of all sets which do not list themselves, list itself? Meaning, whatever number "x" you pick to map to A, you will find a contradiction. If x is in A, then A has a number that maps to a set that lists the number. If x is not in A, then x maps to a set that does not contain x, but is still not in A. We have a contradiction.

    It follows then that there is no "1-1" "onto" correspondence. And thus, we have two different levels of infinite.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    NBIT, you up for some chess? Just tell me the web site and your user name, and I'm all for playing. It may only be a move or two a day, but I'm itching to play. Even if I get my ass kicked, maybe I'll learn a few new moves. I think Doc and Butch were interested too. Maybe we can get a round robin tourney going or something.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Set up an account and challenge me to a "CORR" game. That's a correspondence game.

    My handle there is "TouchMove"

    I can't figure out how to check what email I have set up on there, so I might not get the "challenge." We can set something up on DBB if the site won't let us get started directly.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I am not into numbers. So what does this mean outside the numbers? Can we have 2 separate, infinite Universes of different sizes?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Yes. Numbers are nice because they are easy to use to describe stuff that's this big.

    The thing you have to keep in mind, what do you mean by "infinite" when describing the universe. When I use numbers, I'm using infinite to describe the a quantity (how many members are there in a set). Most people, when they use "infinite" they mean distance or volume. But "infinite" could also describe other things.

    A simple example (using numbers, but just a little bit). You are just one person. You have lived just one life. So you have a finitely long life. But just like there are an infinite number of points between the number 1 and the number 2, there are an infinite number of "moments" in your life.

    To stretch that idea a little futher. If a "moment" is a specific point in time, then there are an uncountably infinite number of "moments" in your life. If a moment is a period of time, no matter how brief (so it has to have some length), and we can make the moments smaller and smaller by cutting them in half over and over again (like the example of the Hester touchdown above), then there are still an infinite number of moments, but it is a countable infinite.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'm referring to infinity in the sense of an infinite Universe - infinite space, unlimited 'bigness', all that there is, a container with no boundaries.

    You're saying there is mathematical proof that an infinite Universe 'smaller' than our own could exist inside the orange on my desk. To be honest, I'd be more comfortable with a proof that says infinity (in the above sense) is as inaccessible to human math as it is to human understanding.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Using math words, you are describing something which is "unbounded." Something without boundaries is, by definition, infinite, but there are other things which are infinite (like the orange you describe).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    Right, I'm referring to the infinite shapeless place we call the "big U" Universe. And you're saying there can be another of those, but smaller, somehow. Do I have that right? Or are you referring to one or all of the other flavors of infinity when you say there can be two of unequal size?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Crunch - I'm describing the latter, different flavors of infinite.

    But let me blow your mind one last time before we talk about football again.

    You imagine living in a "Big U" universe which is more less flat. That means you go "up" and you keep going forever. You go "down" and you keep going forever. And the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

    Now imagine you are a 1 dimensional being for a minute. So your universe exists on a line. There are actually two versions of that universe - you can live on a straight line (which would behave the way I just described above) or you can live on a circle. In the second case, if you keep going "up" you eventually come back to where you started from the "down" direction.

    It is possible to create a universe where "left and right" and "backwards and forwards" behave the way I described above - constantly getting further and further from one another. But "up and down" behave like the circle. It is difficult to imagine such a universe in 3 dimensions, but it is fairly easy to imagine it in 2 dimensions.

    The Universe can still be "infinite," meaning you can travel forever in the same direction. Except that the travel will be cyclical.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    Ah, that clears that up. A single infinite Universe of the boundless variety is incomprehensible enough without the possibility of there being a second smaller one in my orange. My brain doesn't rebel against the circular infinity you described.

  • Please, oh please 8lb baby Jebus. Let's get the band back together.

  • posted earlier to MB..

    Fucking had the fan base in the palm of your hands and all you had to do is ride off into the sunset..milk the proverbially "tit" at every home game and take a bow for 14 great years. Instead you fuck the neighbors daughter and called her a ho after you couldn't get your rocks off.....

    You my friend are a great example of "A legend in your own mind"

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Bingo Lobo.

    Fuck that dude. I've moved on.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Not exactly a "line around the block" of potential suitors for him...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:


  • problem Irish..Is I think E-Train and M.T. have moved on.....

    It is what it is.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    so have I

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Me too. I was going to miss him until he left like a whiner. Fuck'em. DJ Williams is better now and they need a legitimate threat patrolling the middle. Not a ghost.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I think the Bears made a smart biz decision with #54 and his replacement. Unless he regains A LOT of speed, we won't miss him. I do think you guys are kinda nuts to hate on the guy for not leaving graciously. He was a helluva player and for most of his career he was the heart and soul of a very good D. That's what I'll remember.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Football's a game, but it's also a job for these guys. It's normal for any long-term employee, especially one of the main employees, to be a little pissed if they go to their boss and ask for a certain amount of money and get a curt reply that the offer is much less.

    Canada, like you I'll remember him for all the enjoyment I got watching him play. I don't get too worked up about all the drama on how he left.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yup, agreed. It's not that he did anything wrong other than react honestly to a setup, which is what it was. Rather than cut the guy, they offered him relative peanuts to what he'd been eating as top chimp. No time to think about it, you've been surrounded and gang-banged 2 seconds after leaving the 711 ... and people are complaining because you cried 'RAPE!'.

    Get on the phone George - for once - this is your family's team and they have mis-managed a legendary veteran. You offer him three mill, an apology, and one last year of glory.

  • Spare me Irish, you bitch about Garza constantly and you want the Garza of the defense back in the lineup when you have a younger, stronger, faster, meaner guy waiting in the wings to play the MIKE.

    I loved the man but that fucking guy is DONE. Let it go.

  • Lach is not the Garza of the defense. Garza will not be in the HOF. Maybe the Kruetz of the defense, but even that comparison is probably undervaluing Lach at his peak. Lach is like a Brandon Marshall or a Julius Peppers - at his best he wasn't one of the best of the year, he was one of the best of the decade, of all time.

    And with that glowing review. The team made the right decision.

  • There's a big reason why the door is open..

    George McCaskey- Hey, Bri Bri, what's up?

    Brian Urlacher- George, it's not looking good out here in the FA pool..

    George McCaskey- Why not Brian? Isn't that what you wanted?

    Brian Urlacher- I thought I did. I thought I was worth more than 2 million a year but then I lost 2 million in sponsors and there isn't a team that wants to pay me close to 2 million.

    George McCaskey- I see. I see. Well, let's see what I can do. You know, since Angelo and Lovie left, I don't really involve myself with these situations..

    Brian Urlacher- But George, come on, you're the owner!

    George McCaskey- True. But there's a reason I'm paying Emery and Trestman. To win championships. To win Superbowls.. If you want to come back, you'll have to apologize and take a pay cut.

    Brian Urlacher- What? How come? You know I'm worth more than 2 million a year and my legacy is one of the best in recent years!

    George McCaskey- Sadly Brian, you're not. That's just the truth.

  • Erik, please leave this to GP... he makes these funny. Yours sounded like a real conversation.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was about to post my alternate version...

    Lach, "Unga bunga, 11 million?
    McCaskey, "No Brian. No 11 million."
    Lach, "Me no like. Unga child support."
    McCaskey, "Yes, you got bills, but we can only give you like 2 mil."
    Lach, " 2 million?! Less than 11 Million. Me no like."
    McCaskey, "Trust me, that's more than fair. Remember Olin?"
    Lach, "2 million only pay for one child."
    McCaskey, "Well, if you saved enough from the last time you striked for a raise, that wouldn't be an issue."
    Lach, "Hilton mucho money. McCarthy mucho money."
    McCaskey, "Well, 2 million can still get you far. Maybe a Janeane Garofalo, along those lines. Or, you can always pay for an escort gal who resembles McCarthy, but you're going to have to lower down your expectations, like us with you."
    Lach, "Me no likey. Me take me elsewhere."
    McCaskey, "Godspeed, son. Just remember God doesn't have a bum knee."
    Lach, "unga bunga. buh."

  • The child support! I forgot. Damn, who can blame the man for wanting to get paid. The man has more kids than the crazy old bitch in the shoe.

  • Garofolo. HA!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ha, that was my objective.

  • 1) What's the story on Tyrann Mathieu's draftability? After Vontaze Burfect and Alfonzo Dennard working out pretty well as character concerns, will that drive Mathieu's value up on draft boards?

    2) Tavon Austin looks amazing, but he's tiny. What is the lowest you could see him being drafted?

    3) Do you see any teams that might make a draft day trade to the Bears for a player like Hester?

    4) How do you grade Kevin Minter or Arthur Brown as MLB in Mel Tucker's new take on the 4-3? What are the chances either of them drops to our 2nd round spot? Do you see any talent deeper in the draft at the position?

    5) Is there a good prospect to back up Lance Briggs and eventually step in as a starter in the middle of the draft?

    6) Is there a good prospect to back up Peanut Tillman and eventually step in as a starter in the middle of the draft?

    7) Best quarterback prospects that will still be available in the 4th or 5th?

    8) Chance of drafting a specialist in the 6th?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I just don't see how anybody takes Tavon Austin in 1 or 2. He's tiny. He makes Miles Austin look huge.

    He gets blown up once on a kick and he's done.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's my only fear with drafting Austin. I mean, if Reggie Bush can take a hit then I have faith in Austin.

    The guy is blazing fast on tape.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well that's the reason why he isn't going in the top 5. If he was built like Calvin Johnson and still moved like that, I think the Chiefs would take a serious look at him with the first overall pick.

    The question is, how far does he fall because of his size. Could we realistically still get him in the 2nd (you seem to think yes)? In the 3rd (which requires a trade)? In the 4th? I'd take him in a heartbeat in the 4th round, but that means he probably won't be there.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    1. Intriguing. I think some teams are more tolerant than others, and as they say, all it takes is one (usually the Bengals or Lions, though the Pats also are more inclined as of late).

    2. The absolute lowest I can see Austin falling is the the 9ers at #31. And imagine that team with Austin, Davis, Crabtree, Kaep and Gore.

    4. I too am curious about how high Minter and Brown will go. Various mocks have one being drafted by the Bears, while other mocks have them going in the early-mid second. ILBs have been so devalued, but I'm wondering how much (and if Emery is part of that trend).

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    3) somebody might offer a 7th so they can have a return man around, but for a ducheyne who admitted he just picks up paychecks and minces around on the field ... unlikely that it would be worth our while to even respond.

    4)/5) No idea what Tucker's take is. Any links anybody? I think Emery will draft Ogletree if he's there. He's got the speed to play pass where Manti doesn't. But they might go BPA in round one and then hope to draft Arthur Brown, or Minter/Bostic/whoever. Maybe Brown is high on their draft board and they pick him in the first, and then hope to grab a center. I'd draft Ogletree AND Brown if I could - play Brown on the outside, he's not big. But if Cooper/Warmack are there you have to draft them. We have a bunch of hoons at guard.

  • 4/5 are specifically about the middle of the draft. As with any year, there are maybe 5-10 guys at various positions I'd love to take if I could, but they'll all be gone in the first round. Assuming we build the offense with our first two picks, I'm curious what the value developmental picks look like in rounds 4 and 5.

  • I'm pretty glad I didn't reserve my tickets to Chicago, I wasn't going to be able to make it to the draft party anyways, but Jeff said the there will be no draft party this year.

    There still should be a ticket raffle. Which would be awesome.

  • What? So was it the draft party last year where there was a near brawl over a box of stale wheat flakes? Damn it I was hoping for some kind of event so I could finally put faces to names and livers to liquor.

  • MBHP derailed some sort of Wheaties massacre, I think.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Or initiated's all up to interpretation.
    I unfortunately could not make it up there this year.

    HOWEVER, as soon as the schedule is released, we WILL be putting together a Packers week get-together.
    That is both a promise and a threat (of debauchery and fun times).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You gonna take your Posse to Lambeau Field this year and wreak havoc on Green Bay?

  • In reply to The Fifth:


  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I think that's a damn fine idea, Corm.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Where the fizz have you been?

  • On blog sabbatical...

  • Probably a good idea not to have a DBB draft party. The way things seemed to have gone in the past, when you add the cost of bail and legal fees to the normal transportation and accommodations expenses, it's a pretty steep ticket...

  • When did Jeff say no draft party? How did we miss this one? What happened? I'll have to see if my air fare can be refunded. hahaha

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Jeff posted it on his twitter and yes, last year there was fight over box of wheaties and conspiracy charges that Jeff was related to all of us from the blog and the winner of the tickets last year.

    We tried to prove that all of our last names were different and that the winner was African American but it proved to be not be enough for the drunk SOB.

    But, MBHP started the drunk SOB off with a purchase of some Wheaties box with Michael Jordan on the cover.

  • Why the hell put it on Twitter? The guys on here needed to know and we dont all follow his Twitter acct. I was there Artoo, remember? The ticket drawing was a fiasco, but all was a go a short while ago. Heck I just asked you a couple weeks ago if you were going. Is he still leaving this godforsaken site, or is the blog remaining on here too?

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I don't know if he is staying here but I do remember you asking me if I was going.

    If I hadn't been a good boy and flew my mother out here then I would have.

    I'm sure tomorrow he will post his new blog and write about how there will not be a draft party this year.

  • And that Wheaties box got passed down to my brothers so I don't even have that little trophy...

    The fact that we had to explain we weren't all related still cracks me up.
    I mean, Murph and I look alike, vaguely...but c'mon!
    Just kidding, Murph is a tough SOB - I look like I'd lose a fight with a drunk polydactyl kitten (not that I would, mind you).

  • Thank you for finally revealing the wheatie box story for those who could not be there due to kilometric displacement.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Damn you Murph! Hopefully I can meet up with you sometime.

  • It's a horrible idea not to have one! The party was a hoot and a great chance to meet the other blog folks.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    That really sucks. After last year a bunch of regulars on here became actual friends. Not to mention, I live vicariously through you guys so the gossip was great. Oh well.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I was seriously considering attending this year too... oh well. Maybe we can get a good portion of the gang together for a game.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    See above - Dave, you better make it to Packers week.

    Draft party was just not in the cards this week, and knowing Emery, we'll trade out of the first anyway.

  • Is this thread stale enough yet that I should start working on my Top Ten rock guitar riffs of all time (with a few honorable mentions)? Or should I save it for later in the off-season?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    do it!

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Cockblocked Tobi. I'll slip in there.

    I realize that Lynnard Skynard come with heavy redneck allegiances, and my man Bill Hicks poked fun at those who would scream "Freebird!", but the three guitar harmony on Freebird is to rock guitar what Mozart's Moonlight Sonata is to piano.

    Clapton's best solo : (for Cream) White Room. End of.

    Satriani : Always with you, always with me.

    Slash : Needs to be on any list because of Appetite for destruction. Probably have to designate SCOM because it was a metallic milestone.

    Angus: Whole Lotta Rosie.

    Kirk: One. Actually, it's hard with Kirk, he had so many. Master. Disposable heroes. Battery. Orion .......

    Alvin Lee : Whatever he wants to play.

    Jimi : Whatever he wants to play.

    Eddie: What else? Eruption.

  • Got to get ready for work so not much time to elaborate with links.

    I'm not a big Clapton fan and it's been played to death but the opening to Layla is the quintessential guitar extravaganza. Hendix for All Along The Watchtower would also make the list. Jimmy Page/Led Zeppelin (Heartbreaker), Stones (Gimme Shelter), Dire Straight (Money For Nothing), Springsteen (Born To Run),, Norman Greenbaum (Spirit in the Sky), Free (All Right Now) and a few lesser knowns that I'll try to get around to later in the day...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Maybe a better description would be best signature guitar pieces as it doesn't necessarily have to do with virtuosity...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I just realised you wrote riff and not solo. The problem with riffs is that the great ones make you want to slit your wrists once you've heard them for the millionth time. A great solo is forever. You could listen to Slash playing the end on Sweet Child until time ends ... but imagine being stuck in a bar at the end of the universe .... where the only song on the jukebox is Smoke on the Water. Or Born to be Wild.

    Eddie Van Halen does not make the list of riff-merchants. He is Michaelangelo, not Mozart.

    Not a big Stones fan, but Keith was one of the best ever at coming up with good riffs. Their best songs are just Keith's riffs. Peacock out front.

    Jimmy Page. Same. I'd offer up Kashmir for his riff.

    For his age, and relative inexposure to top musicians, Robby Krieger.

    Angus Young A.K.A. AC/DC.

    Knopfler has to go on the list for coming up with the opening chords of Money For Nothing and writing Brothers in Arms in the same lifetime.

    Brian May had to build his own guitar.

    Jimi had to burn his. Jimi wins all guitar arguments that don't involve Django Reinhardt. I don't know who's playing drums in God's band (thought I suspect Keith Moon is looking very high), but Jimi's on the axe.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    The riff in Layla is Duane Allman (Skydog), not Clapton. He changed Clapton's ballad into a rock song. Duane also played the slide stuff.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I'd put Duane Allman's Little Martha on my list of signature guitar songs. I read somewhere (don't know if it's true) that Allman said the song was given to him by Jimi Hendrix in a dream.

    Little Martha:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I never knew that...

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Dreams from the Allman Brothers a few weeks ago on the last night of their March Beacon Run in NYC. Warren's playing Duane's old guitar. I think it's worth a listen. Pretty damn good jam and good recording.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Thanks. I love Trucks solo on Dreams, can't hear it enough.

    Btw, wrong link. Is this the one?:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That be the one, with Mobetta on the trumpet. I had the pleasure of doing some late night partying with just me and Maurice at their hotel after bar time after a Tedeschi Trucks show last fall after everyone else had crashed. He was doing some cool scat singing after we increased our buzz.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Wow, I did not know that...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Tobi, in case you never heard this version of Hey Jude with Skydog and Wilson Pickett. Duane just kills it at the end. It still kicks my ass every time I hear it.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I did not and according to the guy who mixed Layla (one of the side links to the right on that page), that version of Hey Jude is what got Clapton interested in working with Allman on the album...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    This is one of my favorite Duane Allman songs when he was a studio musician, and I think a man who owns a pimp ass fur coat would enjoy this groovy song.

  • In reply to tobijohn:


    Damn. Coulda done without the centerfold but that was awesome.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Pretty little song...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Wow! That would take up more space than Chicagonow can handle. There are so many killer guitarists it's crazy. If you live in a city with a decent music scene there are probably a half dozen guitar killers in the local bands. Always fun to talk about music.

  • Wow, Bat Porn

    Yes, seriously. Nature is amazing... no?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Great, so now women will complain that even bats are less "selfish" than men.

    I also now will be extremely leery of any woman who owns a bat! (Didn't think I could sneak in a bestiality joke in today).

  • hahahahaha... and it was a good one well done!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Ugh, no football sucks. This is what happens to men without football, posting articles about bat fellatio!

    I can't read one more mock draft either or my hair will become like Mel Kiper's.

    I posted some pretty funny links to some Cutler images earlier, but it got swallowed up by the Gnomes because of the '3 links' rule. Swallowed up like a horny bat on prom night...

  • bazinga!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn, male bats get off easy.

    "Each case of cunnilingus typically lasted about 50 seconds. The males then mounted the females for 10 to 20 seconds, and then went back to cunnilingus for 94 to 188 seconds."

    50 seconds? No endlessly talking or texting, no dinners and bar bills, no having to go to the beach or seaworld. No waiting 3 dates or whatever other bs convention a woman adheres to...I'm envious.

    Bats. "How to get laid in 50 seconds or less!"

  • Now we know why the ladies really liked Bruce Wayne.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Female bats are some dirty sluts.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Exactly. Little whores!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Like Kristen Stewart.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Shit, I meant Martha.


    The Purple Drank

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Which was worse, Purple drank deal or Palmer deal?

    Purple drank only cost a 1st, though loads of cash and years.

    Palmer, however, cost the Raiders a 1st and 2nd (at least) and didn't sell as many seats and jerseys.


  • Blowjobs for bats, eh?

  • Irish, please stop saying Bushrod graded out worse than Webb at pass protection. It's annoying and statistical bullshit and everyone knows it.

    Thank you.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Somebody else posted that on here - I asked for clarification as it is hard to believe. PFW ?

  • Another day, another Carnival cruise ship on the loose

    DBB should have a draft party on a Carnival ship one of these days where all the DBB members stage rigged raffles for Bears swag and swindle other passengers for drinking money. That would be fun.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've never wanted to go on a cruise but I would sign up for that one!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Hell, if we swindled them good enough, we could get tix for the Packers game on the proceeds too!

  • Tyson Clabo? Any good? Any cap left to add an OL? Do we need to at this point or just draft some OL?

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    No. Yes. Unfortunately no. Ideally, but yes.

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    I'd take Clabo and a Batjob in a heartbeat over Webb. He's still got skill. Not much space since we still need a DT and to sign Izzy or someone comparable.

  • A Batjob!

  • Not safe for work:


  • In reply to Shady:


  • Here you go Irish -

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Thanks for that. Never knew the story behind Kashmir. That was the name me and my buddy gave to his car in high school, a 1970's AMC Matador Coupe. We got in a lot of trouble in that car.

  • Clabo started every game since 08 and, as far as I know, has no serious injury he is rehabbing. His skills seemed good last year.

    This seems a no brainer that we go after this.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh, and don't talk to me about money. If we release Pep and Hester, we have money.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    we can go after Clabo. we cannot release Peppers this year. that would fucking demoralize the shit out of the team not to mention would be like chopping the huge lion cock off of a lion.

    getting rid of Urlacher was one thing. he sucked at 34, was the weak spot in the D and is gimpy. Julius Peppers and players like him don't come around but every 7-10 years. He was one of the strong points of the D not the weak link. We have a Julius Peppers on our team and that is worth a shit ton more than just his impact on the salary cap.

  • By the end of last year, he was playing 50% of defensive downs. I was seeing the Woot + Dinner package more and more.

    Here's his impact:

    His cock needs to be both twice as long and twice as thick as Peanut's. It needs to be a Louisville slugger that would make Courtney Love think twice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    His foot injury definitely caught up with him no doubt. I would imagine that plantar fasciaitis is healed up and we'll see a young, spry little Pep bouncing around the field.

  • I'm not sure plantar fasciatis gets better. Isn't that a chronic condition? However, I agree with you. I think Pepp even with one foot still requires a double team, which makes everyone else on D better.

    Maybe we just have to implement a pitch count with Pepp. The problem is, do we really want Chicken Dinner out there on non-passing downs? If Izzy comes back, then we could use Pepp a lot less because Woot and Izzy can perform, but Woot and McClellin combo seems iffy.

    Besides, it's too late to let go of Pepp. The time for that move comes at the beginning of FA. We could have traded him to the Chiefs for Albert, with some extra money got a OG (Valasquez) and still signed all our other guys like Bennnett, D.J., Hayden, etc...

    Now, we gotta roll with what we have.

    Next year a lot of cap space will be freed (I forgot the estimate, but like $30M) so they can decide then if Pepp is still on board or not.

  • "Now, we gotta roll with what we have."

    yes, we're now forced to roll with Julius Peppers. I'm fucking heartbroken.

    i keed, i keed, I know you meant roll with the OL we have.

  • I love Pepp, but $16M/yr takes off some of the luster!

    JJ Watt is making 11.5M
    Ware 11.1M
    JPP 4.M

    And that's just on average (this year JPPs cap hit is 2.6M).

    It's like getting laid. When you get it for practically free, nothing to complain about. But when you have to go through the escort services, people tend to get a lot pickier lol

    I definitely think Emery is in a win now mode, unfortunately, the 9ers and Seahawks have added an arsenal to their teams this year (9ers just signed Asamougha to go along with their 14 draft picks).

    It's going to be tough sledding for the Bears in 2013. If they win it all, it'll have to be on experience, guts, will and hunger which is the Bear way anyway.

  • That $30M does not include any money for Cutler or our two starting cornerbacks (off the top of my head). It goes fast paying for those positions.

    Peppers will not play for the Bears in 2014 without taking a pay cut or some other restructure (not likely given his age). It just wouldn't make sense to keep him. And that includes the scenario where he wins league MVP, sets the sack record and carries the Bears to a Superbowl win.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Pepp's cap hit next year is even more insane. $17.1M. So I agree this might be the last year for Pepp in Chi-town. What can happen is that he is released like Dumervil was, and re-signed for a cheaper price, but his cap hit might be like $9M if released, which still frees up another $9M.

    Pepp will be Cliff Stein's greatest challenge to date - it'll be his "Ode to Joy" or "Guernivica" if he can somehow get Pepp to resign with the Bears for much less.

    I'm more inclined to believe that this will be Peanut's last season since CBs do not have to be studs in the our 4-3 system, while QB pressure is essential.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Here's my thing on Peanut.

    Part of me wants to see him retire a Bear like I want to see Lach, Briggs, Peppers and some other greats retire here. But that attitude does not win football games.

    Peanut, unlike Lach, is still quite healthy. He is in a much less physically taxing position than Lach (look at the tackle numbers). He is a leader on the team and he is not as expensive as some of the other corners playing in the league right now. At around $5 million a year, his contract would be pretty reasonable for a true #1 corner.

    On top of that, we have about as much chance to draft a quality corner as we do to draft a quality pass rusher. So we're not really gaining anything buy cutting Pep to pay for the line, we're just shifting our focus in the draft. If anything, since corners have a long shelf-life and cost less when they make the probowl, keeping Peanut and drafting pass rushers might be cheaper.

    But here's the real benefit with Peanut. He has shown a consistent ability to shut down Calvin Johnson. $5 million in cap space is a great way to win 2 games a year.

  • He did just say "chopping the huge lion cock off a lion?" Right?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Release Peppers? That's a good one! ha ha ha

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    "In response to many, many tweets about the Panther woes, I say this: Julius Peppers is the most overrated defensive player in football." - Peter King in 2008.

    I self-penalize -20,000 blog points for citing Peter King.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    lol, ask Pete who was going to run away with the Lombardi last year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Peter king. The Hair. Fuck. Over-paid maybe, but over-rated? It's like when they named Urlacher Most Over-rated. Are you kidding me? When did the press ever blow smoke up Brian's ass?

  • Does anyone know what time this party is supposed to start?

  • Yo, Brendan is available...just released by the Ravens.

    Come back to the Chi, Ayanebideauteax...ok, I think I may have goofed that up a little.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Brendan is the only career 3rd string linebacker who believes he is truly worth 5M a year.

    Is he the spark hester needs? Is he better than Trahan, Thomas, nameless faceless Rutgers linebacker to make the team this year?

  • damn, didn't realize he is 37.

  • He'll be back with the Ravens anyway. Damn...37?

  • Hey, I'm surprised no one has proposed importing QB Calvillo from the Alouettes.

    I know he's like 40, but I think he'd be a decent 3rd stringer to help out Jay with all the intricacies of the new system.

    Just a thought. (I'd still prefer Tebus bwahah).

  • The Bears aren't running the Alouhettes offense. They are creating a new one. All we would have is a shitty 40yr old Canadian quarterback trying to play in the NFL in a new system.

    No offense Canada.

  • What other FA QB has thrown for 12,000 yds the last two seasons!?

    Nah, I keed too. We need to start grooming new studs like the Pack.

  • None taken. I think Calvillo would surprise you. He would be 2nd string on our team and could win a lot of games if he was protected. He's old and doesn't move around that great but he's got a good arm, he's accurate and he doesn't panic. He's a hero in Montreal and I'm not sure the money would mean that much to him. Who knows?

  • I said the same thing and I was shot down quicker than a nerd asking the beauty queen to prom.

  • Like my friend's pick-up philosophy, "If you're going to get turned down, it might as well be by the hottest girl in the club."

    And when he was inevitably turned down, he already had a prepared retort, "C'mon, don't be picky. I wasn't."

  • nice.

  • 4ever, earlier you posted a link regarding Peps salary (no reply button on that post though, go figure). The column on the right, "dead". Is that the money we'd owe him even if released?

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Yes, my understanding is that the "dead money" is what we'd owe Pepp (or anyone else) if he were cut.

    Hence, why Pepp was not cut (this year). I guess it depends if you're a half empty-half full type of guy.

    Half empty. We pay 8M
    Half full. We save 8M

    Pepp's contract is like going to the dentist. It's something one puts off until no longer tolerable, and it's getting to that point methinks.

  • Next year the amount of dead money drops. The money come from his original signing bonus, as prorated for the life of the deal.

    Dead money is the reason why Mark Sanchez is playing for the Jets this year. Dead money is the reason why Peppers has a strong negotiatiing position if we try to get him to take a pay cut.

    When a player signs a deal, the more the team pushes the money into a pro-rated signing bonus, the more power that player has to stick around.

    That's really my biggest concern with the Bushrod deal. If Bushrod is good but not great, or if we draft someone who is substantially better, he will be very hard to cut.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Also, that figure is paid in its entirety over the upcoming season, or it is spread over this year and next year if Pep was to be cut after June 2nd (or thereabouts).

  • yes, very nice.

  • A radical proposal (like playing 3-dimensional chess from Star Trek).

    1. Trade McClellin for Fletcher Cox straight up.

    The Eagles are switching to a 3-4, and McClellin would be a perfect fit for them, while Cox who is a true 4-3 3tech DT would be perfect for us. They are both comparable talent wise too. If anything, we'd have gained 7 spots in last year's draft since Cox was drafted at #12.

    2. Trade Melton and Webb for the Cowboy's #18 and a 4rth rounder.

    With the $9M saved, we can then purchase RT Clabo, and roll-over the rest to next year (for Cutler). Maybe we can even nab DE Freeney to a cheap deal. $9M can buy a lot at this time of year.

    With the Cowboy's 18th we can draft a TRUE 4-3 DE. This year the Dline is stacked, and some DE is bound to fall. I'd feel much more comfortable with a DE Tank Carradine (6'5 265) or someone along that mold to take over for Izzy or Pepp down the line.

    With 2 first round picks it would also give us a lot more flexibility to move up or down, and with that extra Dallas 4rth we could use for LB depth, or whatever.

    All this is very plausible. The Eagles are seriously looking for a rush LB for their new system, and a NT can be found late in the draft, while the Cowboy's now have a serious need for a stud 3tech, and Marinelli would love him some Melt.

    We'd upgrade our RT, DE positions, while saving some money and gaining draft picks.

    C'mon Emery, do this!

  • No way you get a 1st and a 4th for Webb and Melton. First of all, the Cowboys have no cap space to deal with Melton's tag/extended contract (assuming he's worth the 1st) and second, no team will want a rental of JWebb at the cost of a 4th rounder. We would have to give them our 5th or something to get a 1st and a 6th at best.

    Finally, the Boys biggest weakness is their interior OL. Webb is not an inside player. Also, They need all their picks to fill the interior of their line, improve their secondary and upgrade their front 7 outside of Ware and possibly Lee.

    Don't get me wrong, I would love it if this went down, and if you managed to get Mingo and Cooper/Warmack/Austin or even trade one of those 1sts for more picks, then I'll be as happy as a clam.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I believe DYL is correct. Melton for #18 straight up is more likely, but I doubt that happens either. Melton is good, but he's expensive off the bat. A first round pick could be that good and cost you less than $8 million for the whole contract.

    And Webb for a 4th isn't happening.

    McLellin for Cox is interesting... I'd probably take it. But I think Emery would have a hard time parting ways with his first ever draft selection after just one year.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    True NB, I think that pride would get in the way of trading McClellin, but it makes perfect sense. The Eagles need a pass rushing 3-4 LB - we can use a CHEAP 4-3 DT - they're both full of potential, but alas, Emery might not be willing to trade Shea since Shea is like his first born (first rounder of his first draft).

    It should happen though. Cox will be wasted in a 3-4 front, and Shea can't start full time at DE in a 4-3. They can both be OK in their current systems, but would be much more productive in a different scheme.

    That's just my take, but sentiment will prevent sense from prevaiingl, as usual...

  • This really seems to make sense, 4ever. Hence, it;s not happening.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    I'll take a 5th for Webb (or whatever, really), esp if we get Clabo.

    The Cowboys can create cap space easily. By all accounts, they're not happy with Doug Free at RT, esp for $7M. Rumor is, they're working to restructure his contract and move him inside, leaving Webb (who is a better RT) to move outside for cheap ($1M), meaning the Boys don't have to worry about their Oline til later. Last year they lost because they couldn't stop a nose bleed, so this might attract the Cowboys.

    Like Canda said, the draft is no guarantee and getting a PB DT in his prime might be much more appealing than gambling on a DT in the draft, especially if they can also get a cheap starting RT with him. The Bears would essentially take the risk in the draft, while the Cowboys would pay for the safer bet.

    All this would obviously be dependent on a verbal agreement between Melton and the Boys beforehand for a large deal with an approx cap hit of $3M this year, with increases in the following the years (very typical).

    Melton would be improving their front 7, especially when paired with Lee and Ware.

    Don't forget it's Jerry at the helm, and he likes the big splash deals.

    I think it would appeal to a lot of Cowboy fans.

  • Butch you know PE wouldn't trade CD after one year. That would be admitting drafting a square peg for a round hole. Too soon for that.

    Not to mention trading Henry is a terrible idea. He's a pro bowl player on the rise. Draft picks are a crap shoot at best.

    It's like all the talk of cutting Pep. You don't get better by getting rid of your best players.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:


  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    For sure there's a trade off.

    Melton a surer prospect than Cox at this point, but costs about $7M more.

    For taking a somewhat lesser player (for now in Cox), we could get Clabo, maybe Freeney (Certainly could bring back Izzy) plus a mid first rounder.

    The way I see, Emery is supposed to be a DRAFT MASTER, so the risk should be minimal (in theory).

    Though I would understand wanting to keep Melt.

    My proposition is more of a gamble, but a calculated one.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Amen on that last point!!

  • If anybody has a chance, one of my favorite bands of all time is playing in Chi Next week.

    Jerry Joseph and the Jackmormons

    4/11/13 - Chicago, IL @ House of Blues - Back Porch Stage
    4/12/13 - Chicago, IL @ House of Blues - Back Porch Stage
    4/13/13 - Chicago, IL @ House of Blues - Back Porch Stage

    All shows, 9PM

    I'd send a sample, but Jerry Josephs' music is the kind that must be heard live. It's loud, it's electric (most of the time), and it's filled with some of the best lyrics out there. He's an amazing guitar player, amazing lyricist and has a voice that sounds like it just got drugged down a whiskey laden gravel road. Easily one of my top ten artists of all time.

    If you don't want your life to be a complete waste, don't miss these shows. Each show is guaranteed to be different from the others (set list wise). They will be similar in that they all will rock, and most likely change your life (if you have any thing resembling a clue about music).

    Do It.

  • Sheesh, you could have at least posted a couple YouTube Links:

    Never heard of them before but if they ever make it to my neck of the woods, I'd definitely go...

  • hi doc, how are you. so I guess you're a music promoter now

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Been hella-busy. Spent the last couple weeks moving.

    Moving Sucks.

  • I move every year. The key is to not be there when it's happening. Residence in Asia may be necessary to get away with this. You get up, go to work, then drive back to the new place. Highly recommended.

  • I had never heard of them, and they have been around awhile. Shows how much the music industry sucks that a band like this can remain unknown while the beibs and lady gaga are impossible to miss. The highest number of views on YouTube for any Jackmoron song is 10,861. Every song I've listened to so far kicks ass.

    Revolution / Chainsaw City:

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


  • I asked this question on reddit and I got a lot of different answers.

    What will happen if Cutler is re-signed or signed to a huge deal?

    How many players are forced to walk away because of his contract?

  • Mother of fuck.. Chicagonow lied to me..

  • Quote of the year nominee?

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to Shady:

    I didn't know 'too swore. I feel so proud right now.

  • I was asking the same thing when we got him. But then all you have to do is remember that those two firsts and the third would have been pissed away by Jerry Angelo. If half the team are without a contract next year, it makes it easier to give him the (Romo + X) money.

  • What will happen after Cutler is re-signed or signed for a long term deal?

    Who will the Bears have to let walk after Cutler's deal?


  • it means that played in a way that shows even the fucking dimmest of the dim that he should be the quarterback of the Bears until he dies on the field.

    No one has to walk because of any deal. The Bears have a shit ton of money for next year and they can structure the shit out of any deal they give him.

  • If he wants a big deal, he will have to earn it. This season. Now.

    Can he? Sure.
    Will he? Time will tell.

  • Julius for a start. You can bank that one.

  • Okay, so I haven't posted this yet because I wasn't sure if it would happen, but I can tell the story now.

    20 years or so ago (I have to call to get the details again), the Bears did a throwback jerseys game. In the stands for the game was Sid Luckman together with Chet Coppock, a long time Chicago sports personality. They were close friends for years and often went to events together. Anyway, the Bears had a special throwback jersey made for Luckman as well since he was at the game. Luckman, who probably had a house full of stuff, gave the jersey to Chet as a gift. He signed it too, and addressed it to Chet's two kids.

    Chet then had the jersey framed and mounted. The whole thing is huge, weighs maybe 80 pounds, and will look great mounted on the wall in my office.

    We did some work for Chet, who is a great guy by the way, and a lot of fun to talk sports with. The firm worked a deal to do some work for memorabilia. Chet had the stuff sitting in storage and we need to decorate the offices more, so it made for a good deal for everyone.

    My partner, a Packers fan, got a Green Bay Packers company check signed by none other than Vince Lombardi in 1960 to buy some furniture. Its a cool piece because Lombardi never signed anything. That check, in a frame with a picture of Lombardi, is a nice wall piece next to my parner's desk.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Sure beats my Jim Morrissey 20th Anniversary Superbowl Reunion hat to hell. He gave it to his next door neighbor who was a friend and patient of my father's who gave it to me. Wore it while watching a couple games a few years back because I thought it might have some positive Bears mojo but it didn't help Caleb Hanie's performance at all...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Many years ago, I had Brian Piccolo's autograph on a napkin. Don't know what happened to that shit.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Ditto my Jagger autograph and my Clint Eastwood on the back of a Carmel postcard. And whoever has my Richard Kiel-signed Spy Who Loved Me poster, a pox on your progeny.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Cool story NB. I wasn't expecting Chet to be such close friends with Luckman (the original Bear Jew) after his on air anti-semetic remark.

    On February 9, 2008 Chet Coppock is suspended from WMVP-AM (ESPN Radio) for anti-Semitic remark. During an exchange on air, Coppock was asked to spell "Jewish". He replied, "M-O-N-E-Y".

  • In reply to Shady:

    Sadly, because it can sometimes be so ingrained, people who would never consider themselves anti-Semites say anti-Semitic things...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Actually that's the kind of thing a lot of Jews would joke about, and a lot of others would be offended by. Luckman probably would have laughed.

    I think Chet was the victim of a political correctness witch hunt; same as Don Imus, same as Rob Parker, same as a lot of other radio personalities. Their job is to be controversial - and then it bites them.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    "I'm not a racist, but ..." is my favorite. It's classic. Every single time it's used, they say something racist after it. By 'they' I mean 'me'.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think Irish could provide historical information that would more or less explain that spelling.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I think Irish could provide historical information that would more or less explain that spelling.


    god I love women. they are so yummy.... you know, on the outside.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd say they're beautiful on the inside, at least the first 6 to eight inches.

  • Jeff posted the interview some time ago, compadres.

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