A Bunch of Thoughts on the Bears Draft

A Bunch of Thoughts on the Bears Draft

Grading drafts the day after the draft is one of the most ludicrous things done by the sports media. It is nothing more than filler. Did the Chicago Bears have a good draft? Nobody knows. Not Mike Mayock. Not Mel Kiper. Not Pete Prisco. Nobody. Knows. Here's what I do know.

  • Emery attacked offensive line with ferocity this offseason. We know Jermon Bushrod is the new starting left tackle. We can assume Kyle Long and Matt Slauson are the new starting guards. The competition at right tackle is now between J'Marcus Webb, Jonathan Scott and fifth-round selection Jordan Mills. Only Roberto Garza will line up where he lined up in 2012.
  • Speaking of Mills, his press call after being selected was my favorite thing about this draft. He has not entertained the idea of not starting at right tackle. I hope he goes out and earns it this summer. If you didn't see the quotes, here they are (via Adam Jahns of the Sun-Times):

"I know they've got Jay Cutler," Mills said on a conference call. "I know they've got Devin Hester, a beast of a wide receiver in Brandon Marshall. I know they just got the tackle from New Orleans, [Jermon] Bushrod. With him on the left side and me on the right side, that's going to be a line to reckon with.

"And me with [first-round pick] Kyle Long, seeing him at the combine and I got to talk to him also, this offensive line is going to be good."

  • Descriptions of Kyle Long, Jordan Mills & Cornelius Washington (and to a lesser extent Bostic and Greene) all include mention of a mean streak. This is an element the Bears lacked under Lovie Smith, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Seems a definitive theme of the draft.
  • Bostic & Greene may not be two thirds of the Bears future linebacking corps but their selections means Phil Emery was consciously attempting to find that future corps. If Emery hits on these two players he will have revitalized two positions in a month.
  • Rest assured that Emery has ALREADY begun scouting the best college cornerbacks. Every corner on the Bears roster is on the final year of their contract but Emery decided not to reach for a project CB. He took the best player available, irregardless of particular need.
  • I was off the internet and Twitter when the Bears selected troubled Washington State receiver Marquess Wilson in the seventh round. Yes, he's talented. Yes, it could very well be a steal. But remember, this is the seventh round. Every team passed on this kid at least five times. The most likely scenario is Wilson does not make the team coming out of camp. Here's his highlight video (apologies for the music):

  • Cornelius Washington is regarded by most scouts as a pass rush specialist/quarterback hunter. Walter Football projected him as a second round pick. Their reaction to the pick? "I don't understand why Cornelius Washington fell to the middle of the sixth round. Washington is a Day 2 talent. He is raw, but that's fine because the Bears won't really need him until Julius Peppers moves on."

With a new coaching staff and some serious talent to investigate, the 2013 Bears training camp has become the most interesting of my lifetime.


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  • Firstness.

  • I'll second the opinion on draft grades now not meaning shit. Not from the media, not from us.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Also, I had noticed with Slauson and reinforced by the Long pick that Emery was going after some nastiness for the inside points of attack. Most the meanness that was on the Bears line left with Lance Louis, and I for one think this is promising.

    Don't quite know what we're going to do about a center, but time will tell. There are a lot of weeks left until opening day.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Maybe a vet center gets cut due to cap? Then again, would Emery replace one vet for another in Garza?

    Emery had Garza's back, for whatever reason.

  • Maybe he just couldn'tt get the center he wanted?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Maybe Emery likes Ed Williams?

    Well, at least we didn't draft Frederick in the first like Jerry.

    The funny part is that Frederick actually graded out higher than Long by some evaluators (the ones who prefer, you know, production).

    And Jerry was able to get an extra 3rd out of it too.

    So Bears fan can't laugh at Jerry Jones.

    Well, at least not for THAT pick anyways.

  • 1. There's always Edwin.

    2. We brought in PJ Lonergan of LSU. C. 6'3 - 304.

    3. We have some guy called Taylor Boggs. Humboldt State, C. 6'3 - 285 lbs! Looks like a criminal.

    I'm running a poll over on WCG to see if people like Garza or not. So far only 15% want Garza. Someone in the comments reposted an interesting piece on a guy Kromer took from the practice squad and molded him into their starting center :

    “Brian de la Puente has made the most of an opportunity that started on the New Orleans practice squad in 2010 with him ascending to take over the club’s starting center duties in 2011, where he’s since started 28 games, including all 16 in 2012. Originally signed as an undrafted free agent by San Francisco in 2008, de la Puente spent part of the 2008 season on Kansas City’s active roster and has also served stints on the practice squads of Kansas City, Carolina and Seattle.”

    So there is hope .... as long as Garza isn't the starter.

    Sorry Roberto, but all good things ....

  • In reply to SC Dave:


  • Someone asked about UDFAs in the previous thread. Found this at the NFP:

    Michael Ford, RB, LSU - SCOUTING REPORT
    Mark Harrison, S, Rutgers - SCOUTING REPORT
    Josh Lenz, WR, Iowa State
    PJ Lonergan, C, LSU
    Zach Minter, DT, Montana State
    Brent Russell, DT, Georgia Southern
    Tress Way, P, Oklahoma


  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I seriously hope Russell makes the roster cause we'd have the best nick names of any team.

    Russell "Manbearpig"
    Mills "Big Sexy Nasty" (that's what he calls himself)
    Bennett "The black unicorn"

    and of course, the classics, "Peanut" "Freak" and "Beast".

  • "Every corner on the Bears roster is on the final year of their contract but Emery decided not to reach for a project CB. He took the best player available, irregardless of particular need."

    I don't know how the Long pick will turn out, but how can you say he was the best player available at the time he was picked?

  • In reply to evantonio:

    Only time will tell.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:


  • In reply to evantonio:

    Hardly, but who knows? The guys picked after Long in the first : Eifert, 2 WRs (Patterson & Hopkins), DTs Sylvester Williams & Shariff Floyd(Vikes), DEs Werner and Jones(Packers). CBs Rhodes and Trufant) ... and of course Ogletree and Fredericks - regarded as the best Center.

    In fact, NOBODY drafted a guard between our 1st and 2nd picks, so we could have had him in the second.

    The Pats took Jamie Collins just after us, so Bostic likely would have been gone, but there was Margus Hunt. Larry Warford, any number of CBs.

    So we could have gone #1 Travis Frederick #2 Kyle Long #3 Warford/Margus/Jamie Collins ... and still drafted Greene/Washington

    Having watched the vid on Mills I don't know what Emery was thinking. All I saw was a guy maybe worse than Webb, and even slower if that's possible. I don't think he stopped one guy on a passing down, instead he ushers them right into the QB or completely whiffs. No way he starts for us. Ever. Cannot deal with the speed rushers (if indeed they were even speed rushers)

    Instead of Mills, Swope fans could have been placated. The Center Eric Kush was there. OT David Quessenberry, Justin Brown 6'3 209 WR. A couple of TEs ..... I don't get the Mills pick - where's the upside to a slow poor pass blocker? Unless he's a situational run-down guy.

  • And with the same hindsight I would already be a billionaire.

    Monday morning quarterbacking is so so easy irish.

    Not saying he hit it out of the park, just saying it's much easier to poke holes after all the chips have fallen.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Captain Hindsight is a great superhero.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • I live in Indy and talk on sports radio here was the Colts were highly interested in Long, so Werner was plan B once Emery nabbed him. Guy on ESPN radio here questioned why Bears fans were so unhappy with the pick. Dallas was also reportedly interested in Long, so I'm not sure. Maybe no one drafted a guard after us because all the good ones were gone.
    Not saying it will be a great pick, just that we don't know he would've been available at 50. I doubt it.

  • Did Jeff really just use "irregardless"? Stewie would disapprove.


  • I noticed that too but felt I didn't have enough seniority to mention it...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    LMAO! Good one, TJ

  • Watched the video Irish. THAT is what I believe Phil is doing. He's 100% committed to his vision. I like that very much.

  • I thought picks 4-7 were excellent.

    1 & 2 though, I have my doubts.

    However, what makes me feel SLIGHTLY better skipping over DT Floyd in the first is that the G-men skipped him over too, right before us, and they too run a 4-3 and prioritize pass rushers.

    They skipped him over for OT/OG Pugh, no less, who actually graded lower than by NFL.com's scale, but they have a pretty good GM.

    They also had a bigger need at TE than us and they skipped over Eifert too.

    They obviously subscribe to BPA (they drafted a Qb in the 3rd), so it gives me a little hope that Emery was maybe seeing the same chart their two time SB winning GM saw.

    I dunno...I'm trying here folks...

  • after calming down and thinking everything through, here are my takeaways:

    * We attacked, with a focused abandon, the most glaring and gaping holes that have plagued this bears org for the entire 11 year tenure of the angelo/smith era

    * We doggedly stuck with our top two positions of need through the 5th round and took the best player available AT THAT SPOT/UNIT (this answers your question above evan... we just dropped a shitload of cash on the black unicorn, and TE wasn't a glaring position of absolute need, oline and lb 100% were). And we didn't waiver, because there were better overall players at our spots. I respect and love that… since it never happened once with angelo (ok, maybe this is an exaggeration, but you get my point)

    * We def got a couple decent steals like Washington and green (from all accounts), and the long, mills, and even the wilson picks (after watching the highlights) COULD turn out to be huge and smart.

    * I had my points of frustration, but I REALLY like the focus we had. No, we didn’t get a lot of the guys we wanted, but realistically, most of the guys we wanted were gone at our fucking #20 pick every fucking round

    * Would I have loved to have seen, and was I expecting and hoping for, phil to do what the Vikings did and sell out to fucking pick up three stuuuuuds in the 1st. fuck yes, that’s what I really want from our GM… but we just didn’t have the capital (in the form of 2 existing #1s and a bunch of other picks) to begin with… so expecting magic was silly of me.

    * The net-net, we picked up 2 big assed raw olinement with a lot of potential upside, 2 LBs to potentially replace lach and briggsy in the long-term, and a steal of a deal by all accounts in Washington. As Jeff says, who knows with Wilson, but I was pretty impressed with the highlights I’ve seen. And, if there’s anyone who can sit this kid down and talk to him on his level of been there done that and come out the other end… it’s bmarsh.

    * Summary: I actually like the intrepid and laser focus of this draft. We’ll have to see if the players actually pan out now. Next year we need a CB and a FS, but besides that we can go 100% BPA… something we really haven’t (or shouldn’t) been able to do in the last 10 years.

    * Jeff, not to be a douche, but there’s no such word as ‘irregardless’… it’s just, ‘regardless’. Semicolon, left parenthesis.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    However MB, doesn't an NFL player have to stay on IR,regardless of whether or not they heal up before the season is over?

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Last season was the first to introduce the new IR exception rule:

    "Previously, any player put on IR was lost for the entire season. Now, if a player is hurt and put on injured reserve after Sept. 4, that player may return to the active roster eight weeks after the IR designation, and the player must be on the IR list for at least six weeks. In addition, a player must be "designated for return" at the time of his IR classification, which means that a team must anticipate a player's ability to return midseason. Teams can't just hope their key injured player will recover in time."

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    That is correctamundo.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    When I first started reading the post I wondered if it was really you. I thought maybe someone had hacked your account, drank some Emery kool-aid and started feeling all fuzzy inside. Then when you ended by correcting Jeff, I knew it was you. I'll bet by the time you get here for the GB game you are cursing Emery, his offspring, and the very ground he walks on! BET??

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Hopefully we head into Green Bay 7-0, after defeating the Bengals, Vikings, @ Steelers, @ Lions, Saints, Giants, and @ Redskins. Baptism by fire for Trestman.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Damn you murph.... daaaaaaaamn yoooouuuu!

    I honestly and truly hope not my man

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Emery has Rain Man like focus, that's for sure. That could also be his problem.

    I agree with GPs previous post. I was thinking about Emery right after Mr. Irrelevant got drafted, and I think I figured it out.

    Emery is a scout, not a GM. He doesn't care about "Value" like some other good GMs like the Pats, 9ers or Falcons who are always wheeling and dealing.

    I put it this way to the girl I was boring with my Bear talk in a way I thought she might understand.

    It's like buying a knock-off for the same price of a brand name. Emery's PREFERS those knock-offs. Doesn't matter if he could purchase them more cheaply then the band names, Emery believes those knock-offs Sonyos are just as good as Sonys, and he's going to pay for them like they are Sonys no matter what the market dictates.

    Now, it could very well be that's Emery's right. I have a Polaroid TV that I swear is better than some much more expensive LGs and Samsungs.

    Like Emery, I did my research before I bought the TV many moons ago. However, I gotta admit, I got a little lucky. Also, I got the Polaroid for a bargain.

    Bargain is not a word Emery seems to care about in the first two rounds.

    But I hope Long and Bostic turn out to be like my beloved Polaroid TV, and not like the more expensive Samsung which turns off whenever it feels like, and now is just sitting in the dog room collecting dust.

  • I agree with you completely about Emery. He clearly gives a shit about value and is a scout first. I don't believe this is a good thing at all from the dude making decisions for our beloved Bears. Hopefully it works out. But overdrafting dudes early in the draft every year is not cool.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, Better check with GP but I'm pretty sure there is precedent with the word "irregardless". he he.


  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    ahhh the innerness trac, if it's written there it must be true, right?

    Well, when in rome....

    From your link, "Most dictionaries list it as "nonstandard" or "incorrect"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Shit, MB - nice, upbeat summation. I liked it.


  • Overall, given time to think and look at some tape, I like this draft. Our 7th round pick if he can bulk up could be really good. Getting Greene in the 4th was a steal as well.

    Hey, that UDFA Mark Harrison we signed was the guy that shat all over the hotel room. Lovie wouldn't have stood for that!

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    hahaha I forgot about that.

  • You can't the Bears drafted the BPA when we don't even know that yet.

    I do agree on everything else.

  • I left the word "say" my bad.

  • I quit.

  • # LOL!

  • I know it's grading the draft is silly so soon, but then again, "King of Queens" lasted how many seasons?

    Anyways, Silva at Rotoworld grades the NFC. Silva is quickly becoming one of my favorite sport's writers. Very insightful and informative.

    Long story short, here's how he grades the NFCN.

    Bears: B-
    Pack: B+
    Lions: B-
    Vikes: B-

    Silva gave the 9ers an "A" and Seahawks an "A-", which were the highest. The lowest, surprise surprise, the Cowboys with a "D".


  • Oh, and here's Silva's analysis.

    Chicago Bears

    20. Kyle Long, guard, Oregon.
    50. Jon Bostic, inside linebacker, Florida.
    117. Khaseem Greene, outside linebacker, Rutgers.
    163. Jordan Mills, tackle/guard, Louisiana Tech.
    188. Cornelius Washington, defensive end, Georgia.
    236. Marquess Wilson, receiver, Washington State.

    Overview: I expected GM Phil Emery to stay true to his board on the draft's first day. I'm not sure he did with the Long pick -- it seemed like need-based reach on an inexperienced, boom-or-bust lineman -- but Emery went value searching on days two and three. Bostic is an athletic thumper who'll give D.J. Williams a run for his money at inside 'backer, replacing Brian Urlacher. Greene's pre-draft measurables disappointed, but he is fast to the football and NFL-ready after earning back-to-back Big East Defensive POY awards in Rutgers' pro-style system. Washington is an explosive edge pass rusher with starting-caliber tools. He was robbery toward the back end of the third day. If Wilson's head is on straight, he's capable of earning an immediate spot in Chicago's three-receiver package with Brandon Marshall in the slot and Alshon Jeffery outside.

    Grade: B-

  • damn, even given the nugget dave pulled out above this, that all sounds damn good to me?!?!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    damn it... below me.

    Dave i vinvite you to comment on this... you can below me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Below me?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    bang! bang!

    Sorry dave, couldn't resist.

  • The intro of Silva's article concludes with: "Don't take these grades too seriously. We'll know a lot more about this draft around 2016."

    So, I like this guy already and I think I'll read his article now.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Yeah, Silva displays common sense, which is something many sport's writers lack now a days.

    He states at the beginning that the grades are simply for pleasure. Most pleasure is silly and unnecessary by definition, and yet, it never fails that fans become irate over their team receiving a B- instead of an A!

    You got a bunch of Queen fans on there all pissed they weren't given an "A". Jebus on a bicycle ...

    Anyhow, Silva's pretty good and writes articles mostly based on good research.

  • I will enjoy watching them not winning the superbowl. Annually.

  • Shouldn't those grades be handed out in 2 or 3 years? These loons get the draft wrong every year, and then immediately award draft grades related to the players they just mis-graded. (facepalm)

  • Kiper is the worst for that.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Kiper is a tard. I can't say I love his hair helmet either.


  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    So he beat these guys to the punch?


  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Haha, are you a Flight of the Conchords fan too? It's a shame it got canned, I don't think enough people knew about that show.

  • Emery's press conference on the draft is a good read.

    "On Jordan Mills mentioning playing the other tackle position alongside Jermon Bushrod:
    “Jordan Mills we know he is a flexible guy. He can play guard or tackle. He’s going to be in a room with guys where there is going to be competition. I don’t think we bring in anybody that doesn’t expect to compete on a daily basis, not only for a position on the offensive line and a place on our football team. So nobody’s going to be entitled to anything. Everybody has to earn the right to play and that starts on day one.”

    On if it is his goal for Kyle Long to come in and win a starting job:
    “We would expect Kyle to come in and compete. You heard what he had to say the other day. He doesn’t expect anything to be handed to him. And we as coaches expect him to play, but he’s got to earn it.”

    On what’s a realistic timeline for the rookies to learn the offense and compete:
    “We’ve got work to do, no doubt about it. But we feel confident that we can get them going in the right direction and we’ll work as quickly as possible to do that. We’ve got smart guys. We’ve brought in smart guys, guys with good character, guys with upside, good talent. We’re excited to get going with them and teaching them what they need to know to get them on the field.”

    On if Long has the football aptitude to learn the offense despite not having a lot of experience:
    “No doubt about it. He’s a highly intelligent guy. We already know – we’ve talked about his athleticism and I’ve had a chance to watch a bunch of tape on him over the last few weeks with Phil. We watched him in the senior bowl. We saw him play against some of the best talent in the country and we’re excited about both his ability to grow as a player and certainly his ability to learn the offense. We don’t think that would be an issue.”

    On if he has had experience coaching a player like Marquess Wilson where there is an apparent red flag character-wise:
    “I wouldn’t consider it a red flag. I consider it a young guy making a very, very small mistake that put him in a position that got him in trouble. I think like any young guy, I’m a parent, we’re parents here, our kids have made mistakes along the way. He’s a good kid with a big upside. He’s come to the right place because he’s come to a locker room where we’ve got players and coaches that will set him straight right from the beginning and get him going in the right direction. So, it’s an exciting opportunity for us to grow a young man, to allow him to mature off-the-field as well as on it. The upside as a talent, we’re very excited about it.”

    On if he has spoken to Washington State Head Coach Mike Leach about Wilson:
    “I have not.”

    On what caught his eye about Wilson football-wise:
    “Well, he’s got size. He’s got speed. He’s productive during the times that he’s played and we feel we got tremendous value picking him up today in the seventh round.”

    On with the pieces they’ve put together this offseason, what does he expect the strength of the offense to be:
    “We’ll see. I mean, we know we’ve got a talented group of receivers. We’ve got a terrific back. We’ve got a quarterback who can be highly productive. We’re excited about just going through the process every day. It’s been exciting teaching these guys the offense, they’ve assimilated it very quickly. We saw that during our three short days [in minicamp] We’ve got a long way to go but I think we’ve got a group of stimulated guys who are enjoying the process of learning something new. Learning to get to know their coaches better and just working to get better every day without painting too large a picture, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, we’ve got a lot of work to do. When the light gets bigger we’ll let them know but right now it’s just every day trying to get better as a football team.”

    On how long it takes to sort out the offensive line with all the new additions:
    “We’re going to just keep working every day to try put it together. The best answer I can give: It’s a fluid process, where we’ve got a bunch of talented guys who are flexible to play different positions. It’s going to create competition in all areas of that offensive line. It’s an exciting process. We feel like we’ve got the guys that we brought in, with the guys that are already here to have – whether it’s four weeks, eight weeks, up until the season starts – whatever it takes. It’s going to be fluid until we figure it all out. But we think we’ve got the answers, we just have to go ahead and work with them to see where each player will fit.”

    On his thoughts on going through the whole draft process:
    “The big part about it that resonates is what a team effort it was. How the coaches and the scouts and the people in our personnel department – the pro personnel department, Phil and all of us have really worked together. There has been clarity in our communication. Guys have been given the opportunity to speak their minds. Decisions have to be made at a certain point and they are made in the appropriate way. Just to see it all work, as I said, over the last four-and-a-half months from the evaluating our team to finding value in free agency, then going through the combine, the interviews, bringing guys in, getting to know these players, we feel like we know them very well. Not just as players but as people and that’s what gets us excited. We have a sense that everybody has worked together to get to this point and now we’re really excited to get to the next step and that’s bring them in and start coaching them. “

    On how difficult it will be to find the best place for Washington to succeed:
    “That’s part of our job as coaches. The first place to start is to get his hand down and let him rush the passer and see where it goes from there. He certainly has tremendous athletic upside. A lot of those questions, I think, will be answered through the course of practice and over time as we work through the spring and into training camp.”

    On if he’ll have to be more patient with Washington:
    “I can’t give you futuristic answers. I don’t have the answer to that right now. We’re bringing him in here because we think he’s got upside and he’s got talent and we’ll see where it goes as we move forward.”

    You can catch the rest here.


  • Actually, this is Trestman talking about the draft, not Emery.

  • Wilson's got size? Where? In his pants? Marshall's got 2 inches and about 50lbs on him.

    Mills might be in there for competition, but it's one he loses.

    How do we feel about this?

    #1 Travis Frederick C
    #2 K-Lo G
    #3 Larry Warford G (or #3 Margus Hunt)
    # 4 Khaseem Greene OLB
    # 5 Swope - based on Blog Love alone
    # 6 Washington DE
    #7 Who cares?

    Then we compete ... then we cut the losers.
    Product - winning roster with depth.

  • Okay, I see what I did there, it's three in the morning.

    Bye Larry.

    But you get the point. No Bostic, but the line is SET. Swope has a chance of being used. Mills doesn't.

    LB corps : Briggsy, DJ, Anderson, Greene + whoever ....

  • I would have definitely resisted drafting a center in the 1st round.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Trading down out of the first would have gotten us Long AND schwenke - not that Phil is omniscient and could have known that at the time ... but rather than reach, trade down.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Same. If we had drafted Frederick in the 1st, I'd have flipped my shit. Look at the draft position of all starting C's form last year:

    Arizona - Lyle Sendlein - undrafted
    Atlanta - Todd McClure - 7th round
    Baltimore - Matt Birk - 6th
    Buffalo - Eric Wood - 1st
    Carolina - Ryan Kalil - 2nd
    Chicago - Garza - 4th
    Cincinnati - Kyle Cook - undrafted
    Cleveland - Alex Mack - 1st
    Dallas - Phil Costa - undrafted
    Denver - JD Walton - 3rd
    Detroit - Dominic Raiola - 2nd
    Green Bay - Jeff Saturday - undrafted
    Houston - Chris Myers - 6th
    Indianapolis - Samson Satele - 2nd
    Jacksonville - Brad Meester - 2nd
    Kansas City - Ryan Lilja - undrafted
    Miami - Mike Pouncey - 1st
    Minnesota - Joe Berger - 6th
    New England - Ryan Wendell - undrafted
    New Orleans - Brian de la Puente - undrafted
    NYG - David Baas - 2nd
    NYJ - Nick Mangold - 1st
    Oakland - Stefen Wisniewski - 2nd
    Philadelpia - Jason Kelce - 6th
    Pittsburgh - Maurkice Pouncey - 1st
    San Diego - Nick Hardwick - 3rd
    San Fran - Jonathan Goodwin - 5th
    Seattle - Max Unger - 2nd
    St Louis - Scott Wells - 7th
    Tampa Bay - Jeremy Zuttah - 3rd
    Tennessee - Fernando Velasco - undrafted
    Washington - Will Montgomery - 7th

    That gives us 12/32 (37.5%) picked in the 1st two rounds.
    15/32 (46.9%) from 6th, 7th or undrafted.

    Clearly, you should not be picking your centre in the 1st round unless it is a prospect like Mangold, Mack or Pouncey. Frederick was obviously not touted as highly as those guys, and while he may be as good as them, you do not take him in the 1st. A decent Centre can be picked up almost anywhere.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Great analysis. I'd like a subscription to your newsletter.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    That's not sarcasm, either. I think you've put your finger on something very important: aside from the few can't-miss prospects, centers are made, not drafted.

  • Also, I missed saying it yesterday, but when you look at this list, a lot of these players used to be OGs that just got kicked inside because they couldn't make it at guard/got too old to be effective at guard.

    College centers, unless in the mold of a Mangold or Mack, generally don't get far in the NFL because of their limited ability.

    This also leads to my final point: I'm really interested to see what our UDFA pick up P.J Lonegran from LSU can do in camp. He could be good.

  • I think the most telling quote is this one:

    On if he has spoken to Washington State Head Coach Mike Leach about Wilson:
    “I have not.”

    You draft a guy with character questions and you don't talk to his coach? That tells me you don't value one iota what the coach has to say. And that tells me, in this case, the coach is the piece of shit and the player just needs some real coaching.

  • +1. Didn't see that until you pointed it out.

  • Or that all the talk about how much homework the Emery regime does is bullshit.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It doesn't take a whole lot of homework to know that Mike Leach is a piece of shit.

  • I've been checking around the web and it seems the Rams, Giants and Chargers were all very interested in Kyle Long. They probably all felt they could get him in the second or third rounds which upon further review, it makes perfect sense why Phil felt the need to select him in the 1st.


  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Penny to a pound we would have drafted Pugh if the Giants didn't take him.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    There was a lot of talk that Long wouldn't have made it out of the first. Some of that talk did come from Howie though, so maybe it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

    I do agree with Irish that I think we were after either him or Pugh, in a situation similar to last year when as soon as the Jets took Hill at WR we moved up and grabbed Alshon.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Howie was saying that in the context of the run on Olinemen.

    Dunno if he's right, but Long wouldn't have lasted to 50.

  • http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/04/28/jay-cutler-dressed-as-smokin-jay-cutler-for-his-80s-themed-birthday-party/

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:


    I saw that.

    Screen Saver!

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Tiny camel-toe.

  • Kiper on the Ravens:

    Summary: The Ravens needed to come out of this draft with an inside linebacker and a safety, and with their first two picks, they got two really good players at those positions. Matt Elam has played high-level football at Florida, can move around (particularly up to the line of scrimmage) and make hits. He plays with fearlessness, can make plays in coverage with his good instincts and long arms and slotted in next to Michael Huff at strong safety, provides immediate impact. Baltimore used its pile of picks to move up and take Arthur Brown, a player the Ravens really liked. He's a steal at No. 56 overall and takes over the void left by Ray Lewis.

    Bostic vs. Brown. Another thing to track to grade Phil Emery.

    We've got:

    Chandler Jones v. Chicken Dinner
    Kyle Long v. Tyler Eifert
    And now, Bostic v. Brown.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Personally, I was very concerned about Brown's size. Gil Brandt confirmed this yesterday when I heard him on sirius. I'm glad the Bears didn't take him early in the draft. I would have had no problem getting him in the 4th round.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    That's why Brown dropped Trac, and I think Emery preferred an ILB over an OLB, which needs more bulk.

  • I wouldn't have taken Bostic either. Phil must know something we don't.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Bostic will play outside methinks. He's no Mike. DJ is the enforcer. Is he a general though?

    That's another route we could have gone. #1 Elam #2 K-Lo

    Possibly. Maybe.

  • irish, I don't get why you keep saying that?? Bostic is a clasic ILB and has no chance of going outside. Greene is the prototypicl OLB... and we got him for that.

    Bostic, in all the highlights I've seen looks like a bad ass in the middle. He does not look like a fast as lightening rangy converted roverback like lach, but times are a changin and I don't think our new D will hinge on a once-in-a-couple-decades ILB like lach.

    I'm pretty impressed with bostic's numbers, reputation, and tape. Dude is a fucking hammer. he will 100% be our new ILB if he makes it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh, and I think brown is a smaller, faster (but not by all that much... JUST under a 4.7) OLB type more in the mold of a roach.

    I'd rather have bostic who is a run support fucking monster.

    Know what else this means all you conte loving fools.... yep, we're going to need a real fucking FS ASAP to cover what ground lach leaves behind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm convinced...mostly, that Bostic is our future Briggs.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    Come to think of it, our D was good last year and we had an age-reduced-to-average MLB.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Body size? Although I though DJ was signed to replace Lac, but I'm cool with Bostic inside if that be the case. Still very worried that all these LBs are being used as leverage against Briggsy. Something's up at Halas Hall. I think he kicked up a stink at Lac's departure, I don't know.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, it raised my eyebrow when the Ravens did that because they're excellent drafters.

    However, it could have merely been a reach for the final LB on a run of LBs.

    Teams tend to trade up for certain positions when there's a run on them in the hope of getting the last guy on their list.

    And I definitely don't trust any post-draft proclamations because it's not like the Ravens are going to say, "We had Brown graded behind Alonso and Bostic..."

    But yeah, we'll find out soon enough if our lesser known brand is better or not.

  • So Kiper thought the Raven's had a great draft, McShay thought the Bears had a shitty draft, and Mayock thought the Bears had a sneaky good draft. I have no idea.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    But they all thought Dallas really screwed the pooch! Man I love seeing Jerry Jones fuck up.

  • Walter Football had Long cracking the 1st round, Bostic as the 4th best ILB.

    I'm calling Green who the Bears drafted in the 4th round, is going to be a bust. Not sure why Phil rolled the dice with this pick.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    On the latest Walter Mock on the 25th, Long didnt go until the second round to the Bengals at number 53

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Yeah Murph, but they said they wouldn't be surprised if he cracked the 1st round.

  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    I just hope he plays as good as the look he has. He looks like a mean and nasty Olineman. I'm just not ready to buy in that his value was greater or equal to the other consensus first rounders.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Maybe Emery "paid" too much but I kind of look at it like this - If a stock you bought goes to $150, does it really matter that you paid $30 for it when if you waited for a dip, it could have been had for $25? It's been my experience that sometimes you never get that dip and the train leaves the station without you...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Good analogy. Not sure if its been posted but here's a good article on the thought behind taking Kyle Long.


  • In reply to TracDaddy:

    Of the two, I expect Bostic to be the bust.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    don't know guys... I like both of them. They don't seem like flashy superficial picks.

    I know not every pick is going to turn out to be a lach or briggsy, but I guess that's just what we've become accustomed to.

    I think these guys are more in the roach mold. Quiet, unassuming, and solid... they'll just do their jobs and kick ass.

    Personally, I think the biggest bust potentials are the wilson, Washington and of course long… but I have a gut feeling that long will work out. Might not be a perennial probowler, but he’ll contribute.

  • Sean Jensen RT @MikeMcCartney7: Draft by Conference:
    SEC (63)
    ACC (31)
    Pac-12 (28)
    Big Ten (22)
    Big 12 (22)
    Big East (19)
    C-USA (8)

  • Okay, I'll be the one then .....

    At a reasonable price ... .Tebow as TE/Read-option guy?


  • oh for fuck sake man.

  • In other news:

    "Michael Jordan married Yvette Prieto, his longtime girlfriend Saturday afternoon in Palm Beach at a small ceremony attended by 500 people. "

  • And naturally, she's white. NTTAWWT,

  • Irish, she is the most Cuban looking white model i've ever seen. Maybe she's from SOUTH Idaho.

  • 500 of his closest friends. Alas, I helped paint his house once (his first really small one) but apparently that wasn't enough to get me an invite. And I'm just down the street too...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Get revenge for the snub; drop a weird and inappropriate wedding gift off at his gate, with a note - "Sorry I wasn't invited to your wedding, Mike. You probably don't remember me - but you will."

  • Cornelius .. .eh? After seeing that vid ....

    Cornholio = Baby Beast
    Alshon = Beast
    Brandon = Daddy Beast
    Earl = Slot Machine
    Jay = Mack Daddy

    Grandad Roberto = No porridge :<

  • For those who are unhappy with Chicago's linebacker situation...

    ...It remains unclear coming out of the draft what the Vikings will do to fill the hole created at middle linebacker when Jasper Brinkley signed as a free agent with the Arizona Cardinals.

    The Vikings took two linebackers on Saturday (Gerald Hodges in rd. 4 and Michael Mauti in rd. 7), but only Mauti is likely to compete in the middle.

    That means the Vikings could move Erin Henderson from the weak-side to the middle, or they could look at 2012 seventh-round pick Audie Cole, or they could hope that Mauti recovers from surgery to repair a torn ACL in his left knee suffered last November.

    That was the third time Mauti suffered a torn ACL, and the second time he tore his left.

    There also is a possibility the Vikings could look at veterans remaining on the free-agent market, such as former Chicago Bear Brian Urlacher...


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Our worst fear. If he does end up playing for 2 mill then I bet he plays for the Vikings just to piss us off. Which it will.

  • "...Tim Tebow can add another title to his career: chicken sandwich entrepreneur.

    "The originator of the Tebowing kneeling fad is financially backing several north Florida locations of the fast-growing, Tampa-based chicken sandwich chain PDQ...

    "...Lest anyone worry that the devoutly Christian Tebow is tying his public persona to a restaurant with an acronym of profanity, company officials hasten to explain that PDQ stands for “People Dedicated to Quality.”"


  • So what happens woth Gabe Carimi?

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    I'm going to offer him a job hanging drywall. Hard to find hangers that tall and strong. He might not have the durability though.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Best, hardest working drywaller I ever met was about 5'7" and about 250 pounds. He was around 45 years old, and all he knew was working hard and drinking since he was a kid growing up on a farm. On weekends and occassionally in evenings he used to help me doing tree work. The dude would show up at 7am and work non-stop with a chainsaw in his hand all day, usually putting in about 10 hours. The only time he stopped was to sharpen a chain and gas and oil up the saw. He would barely even drink any water during the day aside from taking about 15 minutes to eat lunch. Maybe the hardest worker I ever met. He would work for his main boss hanging drywall at least 50-60 hours during the week. I never seen the guy get tired enough to where he slowed down in his production. You never would have thought it if you met the guy in person.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Ha! But would he have the work ethic?

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    We all wished the best for him, but he looked soft and played softer. Not a good combo. Will he work out at guard? Hopefully. But I believe with this draft Carimi and/or Webb have officially been put on notice.

  • Seems like the popular opinion -
    Bushrod - Long - Garza - Slauson - Webb/Carimi/Mills/Scott

    But lets slide Slauson one slot to the left and see how that looks. Slauson does have about 6 preseason games at center, and two regular season starts.

    Bushrod - Long - Slauson - Carimi/Mills - Scott/Webb

    The first thing noticed is everyone directly in front of Jay and to his blind side are solid-assuming Long is the answer. Then we have 4 young guys competing for the left side. And apparently all four of these guys have a huge upside. This is the most likely scenario as I see the O line right now.

    A better scenario in my opinion though might be to shitcan Webb, and Keep Garza around for depth/leadership.

    Bushrod - Long - Slauson - Carimi/Garza - Scott/Mills

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    second paragraph... *right side

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    any plan that includes shitcanning webb I'm in with and/or for

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hopefully rewarding mediocrity went out the door with lovie...

    and I don't miss you at all lovie you miserable fuck.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Bushrod - Long - Slauson - Carimi/James Brown!huh! - Scott

    Rather keep Garza fresh on the bench in case Slauson goes down. He's done.

    Let J'Marcus play out his contract, he'll do for backup and goal-line stuff.

  • I thiiiiiink that's going to leave a mark: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1621382-ufc-159-results-heres-that-photo-of-jon-jones-broken-toe?hpt=hp_t2

  • I invite anyone to pull up last season's MNF San Fran disaster or a Pack game, and isolate Garza and grade him out.

    He had a great career, a trench warrior of trench warriors, dude belongs on the cover of Metal Gear Solid with a minigun in his hands, chewing a cigar.

    But it's done. He's getting bulldozed at center much the same as the final year of Olin.

    We need 3 Benjamins and change snapping the ball. It's a big man's league down there, Bears don't need that Tice bullshit stretch/zone scheme, it's back to man/power (hopefully). Don't evaluate a guy on his pull and cone work, no more running to seal off backside, just fucking push somebody down. Load up with the fat boys and let's have fuckin pancakes for breakfast. Come on.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    For the life of me, I can't figure out what Emery/Trestman see in Garza. Dude should be a back-up.

    We didn't pick up a C in FA, didn't draft a C, didn't even pick a UFDA C when they're a dime a dozen for depth.

    Hopefully, some stud C get's released for some strange reason (Mangold from the Jets? I know they're hurting in cap).

  • Im pretty certain they will work Slauson out at center.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I understand that Emery/Trestman can't come out and say that directly ... at least LDL is't out there saying "We like Roberto. He's our center and we'll take it from there."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's the shit I'm talkin' 'bout Willis !

  • I don't always follow the booby pictures on DBB, but when I do, I prefer Arianny Celeste.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    I approve this message

    (and I'm a little hurt that you don't follow all the booby pictures)

  • Hey, anyone want to take a nostalgic stroll through memory lane?

    Just for you MB.


  • you bastard!!!

    I got through about 1.123456 seconds before turning it off in rage.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lovie, "He can do more than just jump out of a pool, ya know..."

    like bagging groceries.

  • pump gas?

  • Irregardless!

  • In reply to thebigcheese:


  • Watching the films on Da Site sure gets one tired of hearing about being able to pour piss from a can faster as if it were important.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You have said many things over the years that have baffled me, Dave.

    But what the hell does that mean?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Since I'm trying to watch the films on ChicagoBears . com in the order they were released, I have to click each one. And every time I do so, I get an ad about some big mouth can with an extra little hole so that you can pour some piss (aka Miller Lite) a little faster.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Hahahahaha, OK. Gotcha.
    Out of context, I thought maybe it was a reference to long car trips or something.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    *smile* It was a little cryptic I admit. Funny how interpretations can be so different than intent, eh?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Actually, it's quite philosophical Dave. As in, "what does it matter if you can pour piss out faster? It's still piss."

  • Dion Joradn with Suzy Kolber:

    Suzy: You must be excited, tell us how you feel.
    Dion: It's my FIRST TIME being drafted!

    (Suzy looks baffled.)

    Suzy: What do you want to convey to Miami's staff and coaches?
    Dion: I'm a great person. A GREAT person.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well, at least he didn't try to make out with her like Broadway Joe.

  • In reply to Shady:

    He's hilarious. He was off his tits on draft night as well.

  • Tebow gone.

    The Jets have to eat 3.14M on the cap, but they can prorate it if they want. It was only 2.59M to keep him, so they really wanted him gone.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If they could pitch Sanchez overboard too, Tebow would surely have company.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Incredible. Defies belief. They seriously couldn't trade him for a 7th? Could we find a spot for him at TE? He's a hard worker, 250lbs of muscle and he won't be out on the piss every night.

  • Everyone at that level works hard:

    Tebow doesn't have a place in the new NFL. If this was 20yrs ago he'd be perfect. No internet, no TMZ bullshit.

    Check out this vid I found. I was looking for highlight films of my favorite player growing up, Chuck Cecil and i ended up here. This is why these guys do what they do and the guys that criticize them don't:


  • holy shit, then check out JJ Watt on the box jump.

  • jj watt was repping out with 365 on bench. yikes!

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    Good Morning Bears Fans. Back to waiting and waiting. That was an exciting weekend. One comment and than my opinions:

    - My apologies for getting worked up about Jake Long being a terrible pick. I fell into the off-season fan trap.

    - Jake Long could be Jim Covert, or he could be Stan Thomas.

    - Emery drafted based on need. He loves speed and athleticism. Track record, character are important but secondary.
    - The Bears have a lot of OTs competing for 1 guard spot.
    - The 2nd unit oline this year, might be better than last yrs starters
    - Cornelius Washington - could make this draft spectacular
    - I'd love to see Jake Long pile drive Shariff Floyd on 9/15
    - Urlacher is going to be a Viking and I will throw up a bit on 9/15 when we see that.

    The various videos of Jake Long that have been posted show great effort, some domination and the potential for great improvement with improved technique (footwork, hand placement, balance). Instinctive football IQ is evident.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Your point on the 2nd unit oline is interesting. Hopefully, you're spot on with that one because the line really needed improvement.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Kyle. Kyle Long.

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    In reply to Shady:

    Where did I get Jake from SC Dave? Thanks

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    In reply to Big Mike:

    Oh yeah, Jake Long LT St. Louis/Miami. No relation

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    Webb, Rachal, Garza, Carimi, Scott


    Bushrod, Long, Garza, Slauson, Webb

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    In reply to Big Mike:

    Previous post compared starting units...
    Now Compare 1 vs 2

    Webb, Rachal, Garza, Carimi, Scott - 2012 starters
    Webb, Carimi, Slauson, (one of their OTs), Scott

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    Slauson to Center, Garza to old folks home... BearJew to RG, webb to burger king scott to RT. So...

    Bushrod, Long, Slauson, Carimi, Scott

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    If Slauson can play center as well as RG, that's a good move. But if not, I think you weaken 2 spots.

    The OL you put out there resolves a conflict I had about the Long pick. I'm a big Gabe Carimi fan. (Yes, even after watching him get bulldozed into the endzone, like a pee wee football player in SF) I watched his WI game tape again and he was a beast.

    Jordan Mills believes he is the new RT.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    trust me mike, I wanted to put mills in there but can't without any inkling about his talent level.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    As 'well' as RG ? Does anyone think RG played Center 'well' ?

    Mills IS Webb.

  • Irish just because you keep repeating Long would have been available at #50 doesn't make it so.

    MB I think you can turn down the venom on Lovie and JA, they're gone.

    Trac sighting. Welcome back.

    If Carimi sucked so bad last year due to injuries and he's healed up, MAYBE he will make the team. If not. c-ya.

    Webb will probably be our starting RT. I'm hoping like hell Slauson or Williams end up at center and solidify the position.

    I'm not sure anyone from the 4th round on down can be labeled a bust. That low in the draft doesn't carry any real expectations.

    The roster isn't set yet. There will be a lot of vets released in the next couple of months.

    Can't wait for the season to start.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    thanks for the offer my man, but I'm good. I still have plenty left over.

    semicolon, right parenthesis

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Just like the way you like your women, your cup overfloweth for JA and Lovie.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    indeed canada. indeed.

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    In reply to CanadaBear:

    In fact, I've been reading that Long would have been much past 30.

    The Cowboys at 31 took an OG without nearly the upside of Long.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    People seem to have him marked out as The Second Coming ... I don't know, we'll see. Thing is, even if he wasn't there at 50, so what? You can trade out of the first, and still get good players AND get Schwenke in the third now. Even if you don't trade out, you could have Travis/ Warford etc., or whoever. We'll see.

  • I don't think you can affectively argue the value of a draft pick in the terms that are being laid out by some of the four-letter network critics.

    Keeping Cutler upright is more valuable to our offense than a new higly touted TE.

    KLO was the best guy at that spot to keep Cutler upright and unconcussed.

  • In reply to Viva:

    When Cutler has time in the pocket two things happen: we win and they lose.

    Get some!

  • Exactly Viva.

    oh, and there is this today: http://www.businessinsider.com/best-jets-tim-tebow-gifs-2013-4

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm no Tebow fan. No, check that: I revile the dude as an NFL player.

    But that said, he's no buttfumbler.

  • Jeffery, Jeffery, Jeffery>> irregardless IS NOT A WORD.
    " Regardless" is proper. For heavens sake, turn on spell check.

  • Jeffery, Jeffery> IRREGARDLESS is not a word! For heavens sake, turn on spell check!

  • In reply to Bilious:

    not again bilious

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The irony in CN making him post twice is delicious.

  • this is probably going to be a stroll down memory lane for summayuz chi locals. You're welcome.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That was good. Cubs had a great team the next year. My all time favorite meltdown though is Jerry Burns after a Vikings victory at his press conference. In case you never seen it.


  • Cha Ching!


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't set out to be the first openly gay athlete playing in a major American team sport. But since I am, I'm happy to start the conversation. I wish I wasn't the kid in the classroom raising his hand and saying, "I'm different." If I had my way, someone else would have already done this. Nobody has, which is why I'm raising my hand.

    Bull$hit... he'$ rai$ing hi$ hand a$ the fir$t for other rea$on$ me think$

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh yeah, and good for him

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Plus, think of all the free shit he can get, like the full dvd set of "Sex and the City"!

    Actually, dark secret, I sorta like Sex and the City (shhhh). It's pretty much a female version of Seinfeld, but not as funny and more dramatic, like women


  • jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha...It's actually a well written show. It's a sort of back stage pass to how women really think.

    I remember this one show where the main chick (don't memorize their name, so I'm still straight) went to this club, and suddenly realized it was a "20s" club and that she could no longer date 20 year old men.

    It was kinda funny cuz all these 20 year old guys were like "30 year old women are great - their so desperate for any attention that you can get away with shit with them that you would never be able to a hot young broad.'

    Which is SO true. Wish I would have thought of that when I was 18! I think I was the only one from my pals who never had a Mrs. Robinson experience. Usually always dated younger girls, maybe once someone 2 years older, but not like a 30+ woman.

    Then again, there's something to be said about hot young broads.

  • jesus.

  • WOW! That show couldn't possibly suck more moose wang.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    yeah, I know I shouldn't like it, but I find something about it intriguing.

    Maybe I just like most NY based shows. Seinfeld, almost all the Law and Orders, etc.

    Then again, I find most of Woody Allen's films clever, but annoying, so it's sort of inexplicable lol

  • jesus

  • My ex always watched it. Other than 3 out of 4 showed their boobs, it was a tough slog for me. SJP hit every branch when she fell out of the ugly tree.

  • boobies make everything bareable canada.

    Yeah, she looks like a horse... not looks like someone who looks kinda like a horse, but like an actual horse.


    this one was funny too: http://www.iywib.com/sarah_jessica_parker_is_a_foot.jpg

  • It was the same for me Canada.

    This girl I dated watched them, and I figure I'd watch them with her since I pretty much make her watch football all day on Sunday's from sept-jan.

    Then, I sorta got hooked on what was gonna happen. The brunette girl is the cutest. The red head is a total dyke (NTTAWWT) though not nearly as hot as Scully from X-files (hottest dyke red head?)

    Anywho, I don't mind watching them, though it's not like I lined up to watch their movies or anything or watch them on my own.

    That's reserved for Star Trek, It's always Sunny, Family Guy, Seinfeld, and a bunch of other crap from time to time.

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    That show could make you think about being gay, except for the whole below the belt thing.

  • Hey Irish, does this look like an OLB to you?


    Put on some parachute pants cuz it's hammer time!

  • I will not say this again....

    Jon Bostic is a prototypical NFL IMLB. No idea what irish sees in him that makes him even remotely an OLB... other than Irish is a fucking irishman living in thailand.

    Fucking foreigners. (love you maings)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Rodgers may think twice now before scrambling and doing his little bitch slide.

    Bostic doesn't strike me as the type of dude who is laughing out there and handing out high fives to the other team like Lach.

    That hit came in a Bowl game too, which tells me Bostic elevates his game when it counts.

  • Also, Bostic's closing speed is scary. He looks way faster than his combine. Maybe he was on adrenaline or something, but that man accelerates like that car you guys posted a few threads back.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I've also heard him projected as Briggs' successor. I'm sure we'll get more info on why, but we'll see what emery and trestman do with him outside of being a special teams punisher.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I don't get it... the very next guy we drafted is a career OLB and by all accounts, was a great deal for us at that spot.

    So someone explain to me why we'd take a 3 year started at ILB and put him at OLB, when the very next guy we drafted is a career OLB and seems to be much more suited for that spot anyway?

    I'm confused with all the... 'we're going to take a guy who's a (something else) and turn them into (this) talk. Chicken dinner isn't going to replace lach... hopfully bostic will once DJW is gone.

    I hope to god we're done with the lovie fucking smith (that was for you canada) shit projects shell game. Tell me one time that garbage worked... just one.

    Look, I know we're all used to that sheite, but can we please move on before you guys make my fucking water break.


    (btw, funny story speaking of water breaking. At a cluuuub on sat night with a buddy and we were going upstairs but it was all wet… like someone took a couple pitcher or water and dumped it down the slight of stairs. Peoples that worked there were alls in a flurry. After asking it was ascertained that a certain drunk young lady had pissed herself coming down the stairs. And I mean it was a LOT of piss - she didn't just slip a little, she fucking let loose with everything she had. Hilarious)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jesus.... you know what I mean.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is there a name for that? Like Packer Water Balloon or something?

  • In reply to gpldan:


    the golden waterfall?
    taking the piss?
    a normal sat night in greenbay wisc.?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Golden Pond.

    And if a droplet would have splashed into some dude's eye...wait for it...

    Golden Eye.

  • if she would have had a concealed pistol... the girl with the golden gun?

  • squirt gun filled with mimosa pee.

  • Or Pink Eye... I guess it depends if you're a bladder half full kinda guy or not.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    As with most things (except Seinfeld), I'm with you.

    I totally see Bostic as a classic ILB for us. It's just a matter of time to learn Mel's system.

    Supreme Greene is the classic OLB for us (Will most likely). Honestly though, I'd be surprised if he's anything more than a special team's beast this season.

    If anything, move D.J. outside and let the Rook play his natural position.

    One thing's for sure though - Briggs, D.J and Anderson all better be fucking rocking it this season cause some younger hungry studs are gonna be nipping at their heals for 1/10th the price, and we got a lot of signings to do next year.

  • From what I read Mel isn't changing anything (he might blitz more - my guess). He seems to be of the thinking "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bears needed like 4 LBs and 5 OLman. Draft certainly helped.

    Nasty story, didn't you notice the smell?!? Gross maings.

  • In reply to Shady:

    That shit doesn't gross me out at all for whatever reason. pee is sterile... so who cares.

    If it was shit or puke I would be grossed out... pee don't bug me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At work, can someone please post the Dodgeball Patches O'Houlihan clip... You know the one I'm talking about... "Is it necessary?" Heheheh

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pee is sterile when it's inside you. There's no 3-second rule when golden rain hits the floor.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Maybe playing ILB at Bostic's size is okay, but in the NFL where they play bigger and faster, he might just project better on the outside. Look at the MIkes in the league right now. Bostic would need to pay his dues in the weight room to play Mike these days. Linemen are bigger, period - got to shed those blocks and get to the ball-carrier, something even our Brian couldn't always do.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you can play linebacker, you can play linebacker over here or over there, y'know what I mean? Football isn't hard.

  • hahahahahahaha... I can promise you it is... and no, that's not true sir.

    Can a striker play goalie or defensman?

    It's a different set of skills from different types of players lad. Trust me. See the report I quoted all the way at the bottom.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What? Mang? OLB is a different game from ILB? Can't buy that mang, sorry. Tackle the ball carrier. You're concerned with different gaps and responsibilities, but it's just football. Even a guy like Nick Roach played all three spots - and he was nothing extra special. Look at the wonderlic scores these guys get. McNabb/MArino ... absolute dummies ... and they played the hardest position. Not buying it, football is not rocket science.

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    I think in the NFL that's a penalty. But point made.

  • If Mark Sanchez get's cut, do we bring him in as a back-up?

    He does have a lot of starts, and playoff experience too.

    The Bears are waaaaay better than the Jets, he can't be worse, right?

  • That's a joke, Butch. You're messing with us right? The backup has to be able to play football., a la Griese/Fuller. Sanchez stinks.

  • Sanchez is rancid, worse than Campbell and I'd be sick if we picked him or Tebow up (unless Teebs wants to play FB/TE)

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    tim tebow needs to go build churches and dig wells in fucking guatemala maingses. The world needs more heros, and less shiete NFL Qbs.

    Timmy, you're rich enough... now fuck off.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Having said that, Chicago is the one place capable of weathering the media shit storm of disciples, and he makes an interesting 3rd down or red zone QB.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Yeah, I wouldn't be excited for Sanchez, but I'm just thinking aloud about what quality backups (with experience) might be available.

    The QB I really wanted as a developmental guy was Sean Renfree from Duke. I was hoping he'd make it to the FA market, but the Falcon's picked him up in the 7th.

    The only knock on him was his arm, but that could improve (Brees, Brady, etc).


  • Hmmm...NFL.com seems to like Renfree's arm more than some other reports I read.

  • Tyler Wilson dropped quite a bit considering he was the first QB on one of the 'experts' boards on NFL.COM. But Phil was more concerned with cornering the market in linebackers.

  • Bostic reminds me alot of Al Wilson, MLB out of Tennessee that played a number of years for the Broncos.

    A bit of a liability in open space, but runs to the ball and alot of heavy hits and hard finishes.

    DJ Williams started his career with big time speed and played Sam for the Broncos. He's probably slowed up a bit now, but it's conceivable he could play sam if Bostic shows the talent to start.

    Also, can anybody tell me what's up with Michael Bush? He's coming back?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I haven't read anything about Bush all off season. I'm assuming he's coming back this year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He must be or we would have drafted Lacey or Franklin. If Bostic does go in the middle that's cool. Samurai was smaller, and next to useless dropping back. I'd like to see us play some 4-4 flex with these guys. I saw a video of DJ Williams losing a footrace to Jimmy Graham - not bad for a dude who's 6'7.

  • yeah irish... I think we're just so used to having an IMLB who's a fucking freak of nature. Not may dude's who can play in the middle run 4.4s.

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm betting Urlacher was about a 4.8 or worse last year.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    at best I suspect mike.

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    We/ve got a shitload of Safeties that could play LB in a 4-4 scheme.



  • So, a gay basketball player has come out, huh?

    I think I got footage of him in the 80s (fast forward to 4:44)


  • game...... blouses.

  • Dang, I like Joe Anderson, Weems and Bennett, but these new WRs are gonna give them a run for their money.

    Check out Harrison (UFDA 6'3 231 4.38 40)


    Just make sure he doesn't stay at hotels by himself!

  • http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/mark-harrison?id=2540262

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    with athleticism like that and mentored by Marshall recently this could get interesting. That is one huge dude.

  • 6'3" 230

    Bang! Bang!

    May I suggest a new handle...

    "Our huge WR will litterally rape your DBs on the field"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    handle changed

  • even better.

  • +1

  • I read somewhere that the whole thing was over blown. They said the room was a mess but not a big deal. It said the stool wasn't flushed and it REALLY should have been. Who knows? Pretty sure it won't happen again while he's with the Bears.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Marshall must have had some good things to say about him. I think they were training together recently.

    That is one huge linebacking and TE corps.

  • Hopefully PE hit it out of the park. Really happy he picked 2 OL and 2 LB's. Some OL from last year are probably hitting the gym a little harder today.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    that's what it came down to for me canada.

    2 guys each at our most critical gaps, and then two potentially big-value guys at the next tier of critical positions.

    And we took the highest valued guy at each pick.

    Can't ask for anything more than that.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    i kind of meant huge WR and TE corps but I now think LB is a position of crazy strength for the Bears.

  • Damn, that guy looks like a man playing pee-wee. In the first play, he looked like a thicker BMarsh.

    How the hell did he not get drafted? Because he shit all over a hotel room?

  • Somebody post the fucking Dodgeball clip already damn it.

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  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    you must not indulge the child.. just don't pay any attention to him.

    He is fat and out of shape, do you ever take him for a walk?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Now that you mention it...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Haha yes, there it is!

    MB is Patches:

    Is it necessary to drink my own urine? No! But it's sterile and I like the taste :)

  • In reply to Shady:

    So you are in for the December 29th game this year, yes?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Only if MB chokes down a quart of his own brand of lemonade and vomits on the closest Packers fan.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I love the fact that it only took MB two minutes to agree to that.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:


  • http://storify.com/JimmyTraina/athletes-reacto-to-jason-collins-annoucement?utm_content=storify-pingback&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=sfy.co-twitter&awesm=sfy.co_s5RY&utm_source=extramustard.si.com

  • and canada, thanks for reminding me what I'm here for...


    Oh my!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bless you.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    welcome my son... now give me 3 hail marry's and a who's your father please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    gotta love chicks seeking validation in the form of online male approval:


    Love me chicks that can run a 5K and not complain about it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    misspelled "girls"

  • What dee hell happened to your ahbadah? (Arnold voice)

  • In reply to Shady:

    I'm not about to have Lach as my avatar when he goes to the Queens.

    If he lands elsewhere, than maybe I'll bring him back (more than likely I'm just gonna create a Pepp avatar)...but not until the coast is clear...Super Bear Dog.

  • go with pep. just trust me on this one.

    ok ok I'll stop... you've gotten hazed enough today. doc would be so angry with me.

  • is that a fucking poodle in your avatar?

    Oh jesus $... we're loosing you aren't we? First that chick show, now this.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's a Maltese, a majestic and ancient, and very manly manbreed, I might add!

    He also doesn't shed, which is AWESOME.

    I give him treats every time the Bears score or get a turnover.

    He must have gained like 10 pounds off of turnovers alone last season.

  • Well, it's time to move on...will miss your avatar, Lach.

    My new avatar is my adopted dog and gameday/ff good luck charm sporting a Bear jersey. I call him "Super BearDog". IF Jeff ever decides to move from this gnome joint, you'd see this jersey.


  • dude, tell me it ain't so.

    That fucking half blind bat in the link above is better than a poodle or a cockapoo or whatever that fluffy white thing is in your avatar.

    And I was totally going to suggest we grab a beer next time I was in LA.

    You're going to be the first DBB blogger to come out as openly gay aren't you? (NTTAWWT)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    THIS: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Maltese_600.jpg/300px-Maltese_600.jpg

    is a fucking Maltese $.

    Majestic... maybe. Manly..... uhhhhh.

    It's like something paris hilton would have if it were smaller and even more girly. But dude, kudos for rescuing!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm just fucking with you maingses... I'm sure he's an awesome dog.

    (ps. Girly dogs in 'outfits' are decidedly NOT more manly than if you didn't dress them up.)

    (pps. Ummm... did I already give you kudos for rescuing??)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    haha...I know.

    He is that girl's dog (hence, my adopted dog), but he's a cool dude. Surprisingly, he's pretty Alpha.

    Actually had to "socialize" him with other males, including me!

    He's not like that hell hound - I forgot who on the blog had him during the draft party last year.

  • ok so on to more important stuff... are you marrying this chick or what?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I haven't even contemplated the "M" word, MB.

    Honestly, I think I'm the only one from all my friends who was a 'confirmed bachelor' throughout my 20s, which is another way to say, I LOVED women (plural). I figured I would fuck myself out, and eventually slow down, and eventually settle, but I underestimated my sex drive.

    As Chapelle would say about himself at 24, " I was a man with the sexual appetite that would make Michael Douglass seem gay."


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hahaha I'm pretty sure the chick he's banging logged into his DBB account and posted that shit. Or yeah, could be gay. NTTAWWTJK.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought Crunch was the first openly gay DBB blogger!? (just fucking, Crunch).

    But for the record, I am straight.

    And I will not stand for your anti-maltese prejudice!


  • my god, stop... you are not helping yourself!

    The Maltese is a small breed of dog in the Toy Group.

    Paris hilton has one in her rotation of purse dogs.

    Please don't tell me you take him with you in a 'manbag' or 'puppy purse' or 'canine carrier'

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I just read that it's also known as "The Roman Lady's dog" lol

    But you can't make fun of me unless you make fun of Jay Cutler, here!


  • Hahahahahaha...

    I think he's about to kill and eat that dog.

    At least that guys hasn't ever taken roids or HGH. Jesus christ.

  • Butch, with the avatar and the Sex in the City admission ...the moniker 'Butch' is growing a handlebar mustache and wearing a leather biker's hat ... NTTAWWT.

  • now this is a dag


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    shady if you scroll down, you can even see one doing a bane impression

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I don't really like those dogs. They look like big albino rats.

    My fav breed is probably German Shepard.

    When I went to the Pet Expo last week I saw all kinds of breeds. It was pretty cool.

    But the coolest part was when the Anaheim Police did a demonstration with their German Shepards. Man, anyone who want to appear on "Cops" should attend one of those demonstrations. Those dogs are lethal, intelligent and loyal.

    I learned a few things about those cop k-9s. Like for one, they actually wear down like athletes because of all the training they do.

    Also, all the orders from the cops are in German so that if a criminal says "Stop" the Shepard just keeps biting their ass until the cop says, "Nine!" (German for "No!").

    So if you ever find yourself running from cops and K-9s, just remember "NINE! NINE!"

  • yes, do you know who used German Sheapards extensively in their.... "campaigns"?

    Yeash, my people don't like those dogs. If dogs could speak, they would sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh and how dare you compare my dogs to rats when you own a fluffy guinea pig.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Zee Germans...

    I did learn that the other commonly used dogs in law enforcement is the Belgian Malinois.


    I never heard of that dog before, but I guess some prefer it over the German Shepard, and vice versa.

  • yep, heard of them. I watch a lot of discovery. ha.

    Yep, they like the malionois because ze aren't nazis like GS are.

  • Oh, and if you guys are still hating on the Majestic Maltese, here's smoking Jay for ya...


  • Yes, I am.

    btw, that looks more like a.... uhhhhh.... no fucking idea what those are called

    Uhhhh... a westie or something?

    here's one for you: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/20-moving-encounters-betw_n_2452030.html

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Westie, something like that. Your franchise QB with a A TOY dog.

    Bang! Bang!

    Those pictures are something else. I actually find dog movies esp the sad ones, perhaps the most moving, more than the more "dramatic" tragedies.

    Maybe it began when I finished Old Yeller in grade school.

    After watching "Hachi" with Geere, I had to give my best British 'Stiff Upper Lip'.

  • with you maings, I cried like a baby with old yeller and where the red fren grows.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Have you watched "Hachi"? That's a great dog movie.

    Based on a true story too.

  • no, but I did watch snatch... and I do like dags.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thats the first movie that made me cry, Old Yeller. Saw it in the theatre when I was like 10 I think.

  • Dudes, Old Yeller is great. So is Old Dan and Little Anne ( I think those were the names in Where the Red Fern Grows).

    But your missing one of my favorite dogs ever: Buck from The Call of the Wild. White Fang was another good book, but it doesn't compare to Call of the Wild. Buck was one badass dog.

    MB (and others), to further your WI stereotypes, I used to trap as a young kid with my buddy when furs were worth money (muskrat, raccoon, red fox, possum, and such). After skinning, we would save the meat and give it to my buddy's uncle, who ran a hillbilly bar about 50 miles from downtown Chicago where I lived. He would cook it up and serve it free to his patrons from the south.

    When we were about 15, my buddy and I started coon hunting at night. He trained a few dogs. It was more of a reason to get drunk and stoned than actually tree coons. Fast forward about 15-20 years and I run into the guy. Find out he had recently won a few regional coon hunting championships and a couple of his dogs won best coon dog awards. I think he makes some money off breeding his dogs now.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    meh, I don't have stereotypes Corm... just love talking smack to packer and viking fans. I'm sure everyone's super nice out there maings. I grew up hunting small game, fishin, and camping and shit... so I'm actually envious.

    Once I get out of the rat race I'm getting right back into all of it.

  • Trac, you coming up in December for the game? You were the subject of some dinner time conversation at Ditkas last year, so it was almost like you were there.

  • Well, if we couldn't get Scwhenke, maybe we can get the consolation prize?

    Titans are pretty much rebuilding, so maybe Velasco gets cut in a cap move? (fingers crossed)

    The Titans expect fourth-round pick Brian Schwenke to "put up a big fight" for the starting center job.
    The Titans reportedly "love" Schwenke's "nastiness" and his "ability," and they had him rated as the No. 1 center in the draft. Fernando Velasco is the incumbent starter, and he just signed his one-year, $2.023 million RFA tender. Pro Football Focus graded Velasco out as the league's No. 11 center in 2012, but his salary is not guaranteed. Schwenke should start no later than 2014.

    - Rotoworld

  • wow, Velasco is young too. Here's a small report on him. BR actually does a decent job of ranking positions since it uses Scouts Inc (or the other one). Velasco is ranked #11, while Garza is ranked #28.



  • In reply to Viva:

    no magic ending tonight.

  • Jesus, now this is the kind of risk you take in the 7th round:

    Marquess Wilson


  • But Joe Anderson is hawngry.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Now that Hester isn't part of that group, there's room on the roster for both of them, isn't there?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Depends on how many WRs Trestman wants to roll with. If the standard 5 WRs, I think it's a long shot. If they decide to keep 6 WRs, then maybe.

    Marshall, Brandon
    Bennett, Earl
    Jeffery, Alshon
    Weems, Eric
    Anderson, Joe
    Wilson, Marquess
    Golden, Brittan
    Toliver, Terrence
    Moss, Dale

  • In reply to Shady:

    You forgot this guy that we just signed:


    6'3 230

  • In reply to Shady:

    If Devin is playing ST only then he should return punts AND kicks, which means we don't need Weems.

  • I don't know.. Weems had 12 or so tackles I think-

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    They were talking with Hester about being a gunner too. It will be one or the other of he and Weems, I suspect. But you never know - Emery has surprised us here and there, and Trestman has an entirely new coaching staff.

  • Weems is too valuable on Specials and he plays offense. He is super aggressive on punts and kickoff coverage. He is a former pro bowl returner and can play the slot.

    Hester hasn't covered a kick in his life. Can't let go of Weems. he's a fucking wolverine.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Joe will find his place don't you worry.

    Chuck Cecil made his college team as a walk on after he hurt 3 people in one drill.

    Bear Down

  • At the least they'll want him for the practice squad.

  • I only watched half of it but what I saw was guy who wasn't afraid of contact, had no problem catching balls in traffic and was able to haul in some pretty questionable passes...

  • I think he's going to be the steal of our draft this year.

    That catch at the 2:33 mark was absolutely ridiculous.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    But he better quit that shit of tossing the ball after the catch. That'll be an incomplete pass in the NFL.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Marquess is about to see grown ass men as competition. No more attitude or else guys like Marshall will put you in the right place.

    Marshall is the perfect leader of the receivers because as a receiver and football player he commands the ultimate respect. He'll have his WR corps shooting straight and balling out hard.

  • pretty fucking excited about our WR corps and our LB corps actually. I really liked what I saw in bostic and greene. And the washington kid is a fucking athletic freak.

    There are still questions about the line, but god knows it can't be worse than last year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Amen on the line. I'll forgive not drafting more OL since Bushrod and Slauson were acquired in free agency. Maybe, just *maybe*, the Bears offensive line will be as good as the league average this season. Which would be a giant upgrade, of course.

  • iiiiiirish....

    "Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News offered the Bears only a C, and had this to say about it.

    Chicago Bears: ... Florida second-rounder Jon Bostic, with his tacking ability and upfield instincts, is a textbook replacement for Brian Urlacher. Likewise, Rutgers' Khaseem Greene has the range and coverage skills to fight to replace Nick Roach on the strong side."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The term "textbook replacement" is inaccurate outside the context of a changed defensive system.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    textbook for the NEW system I assumed he meant dave, textbook for the old system would have been more along the lines of an ogletree or brown... both of which were available at our pick and both of which we passed on

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Vinny Lyer ! Ye can never believe a lyer MB, ye know that lad ! Mwah!

  • Someone probably already posted this, but here are some UFAs:


  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Here's the way this is supposed to work. Some URFA is supposed to wow us and make the team against all odds.

    Not like in the Lovie regime, when we had 6 of them on the roster and two of them were starting. That's BAD.

    Joe Anderson for President! Hooyah!

  • Good interview with Howie Long about his kid. He was naturally big, weighing 295 in high school. It's hour 4 from yesterday.


  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Here's a pick of Kyle yesterday. In his backpack he had a bong and a copy of "How to play football" from the 5th grade library.


  • hey $.

    speaking of pounding ass...


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sorry, couldn't resist

  • new thread

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