How Would You Rebuild the Bears Offensive Line?

Let's consider this post something of a poll question. I will keep it short and sweet. I want to know how you, readers, commenters, Bears fans would rebuild the club's offensive line heading into the 2013 campaign. You must be logical and take into consideration salary cap restrictions and draft place. You can't have everything.

I will be writing a piece on the subject for Monday morning and I will use some of the best answers below in the body of that column. So bring your A-games.

(Hint: My column may/may not involve the wing champion above.)

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  • I have no idea because 4ever85 hasn't posted yet. When he does, I will probably agree with it.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    second that

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMk8-7i3C40&NR=1&feature=fvwp

  • Dude, is that none other than TOSHI?!?!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mkADGdqI-8

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, see my post on the last thread in response to you?

    77.... degrees.

  • Almost joined the police academy because of her!

    Also, I think I just learned how to say "Baby" and "I love America" in Serbian.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I would use first 2 picks on interier lineman say Cooper and Barret Jones move carimi inside with them, then put Webb back at right tackle and add either Albert, bushrod, or Betty whoever is affordable to left tackle. Think the line would be solid

  • why build the line? Quitler is the problem....

  • lol. really dumb comment.

  • In reply to catfish44:

    go back to the yahoo message boards nerdball.

  • In reply to catfish44:

    fucking noob. zero history, all ignorance.

    Beat it tool

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, get your ass out to the waves today and report back later....if you aren't in the belly of a great white.

    I made blackened tilapia tacos last night with a cilantro lime sour cream sauce, tomatoes and fresh avocado. SD style.

  • Wish... still sick maing. I get back into it next week.

    Sounds good but maybe you need to come out on a research trip to see what real mexican fishtacos are. No clue what kind of mumbo jumbo you get out there.

  • In reply to catfish44:

    Yeah, Joe Anderson SR, stop being such a Cutler basher! Geesh.

  • -SIGN LEVITRE.
    -Trade down from 20 for an addtl. 2nd and 3rd round pick.
    -Draft Kyle Long and Barret Jones in the 2nd Round, TE(Escobar?) in the 3rd.

    Levitre starts at LG.
    Long Competes with Webb for LT/Swing.
    Carimi and Scott compete for RT, loser gets cut.
    Jones competes with Louis (pending rehab) at RG.
    If Louis ends up starting, Jones is Swing G, backup center (replaces Garza in 2014).
    If Jones starts at RG and Louis cant play yet, James Brown starts off as Swing G, Louis is retained via PUP and returns later to compete with Jones at RG.

    Brand new Guards shoring up Garza, winners of an ACTUAL COMPETITION at both OT spots.

  • In reply to BigHurtNYC:

    why would you ever cut Carimi after 1 year of playing and coming off of a dislocated kneecap? Scott performed pretty well for a last minute fill in.

    You keep both of those guys....and they will.

    Otherwise, nice analysis.

  • Carimi would have to be playing pretty poorly to lost that job... even then he could be in the mix at guard, at that point Scott would have to have impressed. The cut would just be a numbers game at that point. I dont see Carimi not bouncing back; when he dOES win that spot, I'd rather have Webb or a Rookie OT as the swing over Scott anyway.

  • In reply to BigHurtNYC:

    What Johnny said, but more importantly, Scott is old and won't likely be around for more than a season or too. I'd rather see Webb go than Carimi anyway.

  • In reply to BigHurtNYC:

    Yeah that MIGHT work IF 25 or 30 other teams weren't trying to rebuilt THEIR offense lines as well. Not to mention the Bears recent history of drafting for the O-Line would have to improve just to qualify as "bad".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Barrett Jones is coming off Liz Frank surgery. Foot problems for big men is a very real concern.

    Chris Williams stock dropped because of concerns about his back The Bears rolled the dice on him and it came up snake-eyes.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    LoL Liz Frank

  • In reply to BigHurtNYC:

    Leaves us without a viable center for 2013. Garza's done. Two fkn knee braces, cmon.

    Angelo ignored the Olin/Lac depreciation derby. We're fucked, period. Ten years of incompetence in roster building .... you don't fix that quickly.

  • In reply to BigHurtNYC:

    The major flaw I see in this is that Jwebb can still start at LT!

    And given that Long is a VERY raw prospect, it is almost a certainty that Jwebb will start at LT.

    This cannot be.

    Scott isn't going to get signed only to be cut, and no way Carimi gets cut.

    I do like Barret Jones though. If he's still there for us in the 2nd (not likely), then he's almost a no brainer.

    But what if both Ertz and Barret Jones are there in the 2nd? Can get a bit tricky there.

  • hey johnny. I loves me some chitown... but live there... seriously, fuck that. Holy cow. I would slit my wrists in about two months.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    well to be fair and it's winter and that picture is of the alley outside of my office....

    It's no beachfront though that is for sure. You can hang at the lakefront in Chicago....but not after 630pm...and not if you're white....and not if you're not buying or selling drugs or in a gang with enough street cred not to get jumped the moment you step onto it. The entire stretch of lakefront is a shit show in Chicago.

  • I loves me some chitown man... just can't take the weather is alls. Snowing there and 75 here. sheeeeet maing. I've been spoiled. The only other place I could live now is Cape Town.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    you'd be raped as you walked off the plane. They have rape stations there now just to get it over with. :)

  • hahahahaha... not in cape town maings. Maybe in downtown joburg. Prolly going back to see the folks again in April sometime. Can't wait to go back. it's in the blood.

  • actually I know nothing about SA. I was just watching the dateline story on Pistorius and looked up SA on Wikipedia.

    Not exactly gospel.

  • joburg (where I was born) is VERY dangerous... especially down town. Cape Town and the entire western provence is much much safer and mostly filled with petty crime (theft, etc...). CT is the most beautiful city on earth... oh, and all the insanly hot models from europe go there to sunbath topless.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I knew a guy from Jo'burg and I concur.

  • this might be a joke because reggie miller is 6'7"... shaq must be a giant in real life man

    http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2013/03/01/reggie-miller-dons-shaqs-suit-jacket-tweets-it-makes-me-look-like-im-8-photo/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You think Kazaam would be able to find a nicer jacket than that piece of crap, I've seen better looking suits on homeless people.

  • In reply to Shady:

    probably fit him like a glove.

  • In reply to Shady:

    "Instead of chanting and getting beaten...."

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/world/2013/03/01/pkg-mann-harlem-shake-in-mideast.cnn

    Think our friend from last night would partake? Allah knows he needs to lighten the fuck up francis.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    indeed.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Yes, but that coat's so big, it would double as a sleeping bag for a homeless person.

  • No fucking way. Jim C. is so awesome: http://www.csnchicago.com/video_content_type/cornelison-shatters-glass-during-take-me-out-ballgame

  • hee hee

    http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/02/lansing_man_builds_detroit_lio.html

  • and here's one for GP: http://i1.wp.com/guyism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Manti-Teo.jpg

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    LOL

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If he was running towards Lennay he'd have run faster than a 4.82!

  • Anybody going by Ford City...?

  • Trade Peppers for three reasons. A) To open a ton of cap space. B) He has significant trade value, and can bring a number of picks. C) His age. This way you get the added picks in the draft, even more if you trade down from #20, to add a whole bunch of youth to the club. AND, you get the cap money you need to add guys with experience in the key positions along the O-line. Re-sign Izzy, to play end. The defense will still be good enough. Especially if the offense can begin scoring points against the better teams in the league. Which I firmly believe they can do with some major upgrades on the O-line, and another speedy receiver and TE. I know it sounds like a tough pill to swallow, but if it were my team, this is one plan I would consider.

  • In reply to dhunt:

    I respect your right to want to get rid of quietly the most impactful player on our defense but he's Julius Fucking Peppers and he is going nowhere.

    Trade Peppers......

    And Kate Upton is a fat cow.

  • In reply to dhunt:

    Everyone has their price - for a first round you could be drafting your top end for the next ten years - you solve the cap problem and buy a tackle. Why not? Wooten came along nicely. Izzy can do a job. We draft an end, gain a tackle ....

  • To Irish's point. Just for fun, another blog survey.

    Kansas City calls and offers us the #1 overall for Peppers straight up. Take it or leave it?

    Take it = Sign Joekel with the overall first. Sign another impact guy on either side of the ball with our other first (including one of the 10 or so solid DEs), or trade down to get back into the third and still have our franchise LT. Take the $15-20 million in cap savings and go shopping for pretty much any player you want in FA (including a new DE).

    Leave it = Remain with some cap issues (nothing terrible though) that keep you out of serious contention in FA. Remain with a question at LT. But you've got one of the league's best pass rushers that can defeat guys like Joekel who also happens to be one of your 3 defensive captains (including Briggs and Peanut) to shoulder the burden if Lach goes.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    You could pick either and nobody could really fault you. However, if the Bears were the Patriots, Peppers would most likely be gone...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I wish the bears were more patriots-like. If you compare w/l since we met in the sb.. kinda easy to see who the better org has been.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    For the #1 overall, love ya Pepp, but gotta take one for the team.

    That extra $8M is more than enough money to sign Long TE Keller and maybe even a WR like Avery.

    We can trade down for an extra 2nd while still draftting a stud DE like Ansah with our first pick.

    in the 2nd, we can then get C/OG Jones AND an ILB like Minter or Brown, or another OT like Long or Amrstead.

    Trading Pepp for the #1 overall would build us like that Cowboy's 90s dyanasty...

    Not that it's ever going to happen. If anything, a team with real SB aspirations (preferably in the AFC) who plays a 4-3 would trade for Pepp, and at best (because of his contract) it would be a later 1st, which is still pretty good considering.

  • Um no. Trading Peppers, our 3rd and 5th this year for
    1st round pick in 2013 (#21)
    2nd round pick in 2013 (#47)
    1st round pick in 2014 (#12)
    2nd round pick in 2014 (#38)
    2nd round pick in 2015 (#37)
    3rd round pick in 2015 (#71)
    1st round pick in 2016 (#13)

    to get a Dallas-style dynasty

  • Henry Melton franchised. Hope there's enough cap space to sign someone to protect the REAL franchise.

  • Just saw that. Personally I think that's a good move. As long as Peppers is still at DE.

  • Yikes.

    "According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Flacco's deal is worth in excess of $120 million over six seasons, will make him the highest-paid quarterback in NFL history. "

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    that is absolute lunacy.

  • But, but, he has the strongest arm in the NFL...I swear...

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    i simply cannot get over how much money Joe Flacco is going to make. I watched too many Ravens games this year to understand it.

    I know he had a sweet couple of games but to be the highest paid qb in the history of the game is fucking batshit crazy.

    Also, do teams just forget that Torrey Smith is fast? How is he always 7 yards behind the DB's? I'm not hating on Flacco, I just think he was in the right place at the right time with the right team and he didn't fucking ruin it......so there's that.

  • a lot of times in life that's all it takes my man. I've learned that much over the last few years.

  • I think he's a good QB...but I have the same issue with him that I have with Eli. He does not transcend the talent on his team.

    That contract is bonkers, IMHO, and unfortunately, when Cutty wins his ring next year, it's going to set the market.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If Cutler wins a championship in Chicago he will go down as legend.

  • When, not if...

    I just don't want to have to pay him a $120 mil contract afterwards, but I suppose you can't put a price tag on breaking a near-30 year drought.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If that's the case would the Bears not be wise in re-signing Cutler now, before he gets a ring?

    $12-$15M might be a bargain compared to $20M.

    Jebus. Imagine all the FAs a team could sign with an extra $8M.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I was thinking that when I posted originally, 4ever.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    yeah, good luck with that balt.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I think I would have franchised him this year ($15 million) and taken my chances next year. I kind of doubt that he'll perform that much better in 2013 that the Ravens would have to pay him even more than $120 million they've agreed to..

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Gotta agree Tobi. It will be interesting to see what Emery/Trestman decide to do with Cutler after this season. I could see him getting somewhere between $10-$15 mil/season on a long term contract if they think he is the answer at QB. The tag next year for QB's will be higher than $14+ mil next year due to this contract, Brady's extra cash and possibly Rodgers getting new paper. If they don't want him back, we could be in for a rebuild.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Canada, Joe and Vicki Price are still playing lots of live shows. They are in the area tonight, but can't make it. One of my good friends is recording the whole show. If some of it turns out good, I'll throw you a link or two. I think he's doing video. I always enjoy his shows. Hopefully I'll see one in a few months. I've only been to one of his shows in the last 5-7 years. It's obvious he just loves what he's doing. I've never been to one of his shows where he doesn't have a big smile on his face all night.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pFMtPhv94kY#!

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Thanks for the link Cor. Here's one of Joe and Vicki doing the Iowa Crawl. I have no idea how many times I've seen him do this song but it's a lot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzYDRihix6Y

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not certain, but I think Brady's deal actually reduces his cap number this year (and over the life of the contract). But Flacco's deal will bring the tag price up.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Baltimore believes (right or wrong) that Flacco will give similar production going forward and that he can be the leader of that team. Franchising him and putting him through another prove-it year might have saved money on his contract, but it would have put a real damper on team morale in the first year without Ray Lewis.

    They look at him like Eli Manning. Not as good as Peyton or Brees, but good enough to win a championship with - and entrenched as the leader of the team.

    If the QB salary trend continues, and the current NFL trend that you can't win without a franchise QB continues, the Ravens figure the won't be so handicapped against their real competition. Other teams will have an extra $5-10 million or so in cap space, but the serious competition (other teams with franchise QBs) will all be carrying similar blockbuster deals.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Yeah, good point in your last paragraph. Everything eventually is relative...

  • Fucking gnome code is fucking up again.
    C'mon, Jeff - let's get moving.

  • Flacco is ok, but he had a great O-line in front of him. So yeah...way overpaid.

  • Hey MB did you see Moreno Moser won the Strade Bianche? He and Peter Sagan are going to make the Spring Classics interesting. I'd love to see the Strade Bianche live.

    Also, did you see the TT bike that won the NAHBS (North American Hand Built Bike Show) show in Denver? The trade show has a ton of the small private bike builders showing their wares. Check out the English TT bike that won. It's amazing.

    http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/03/gallery/gallery-rob-englishs-tt-mk2_276499

    Also, check out some of the other photo galleries from the show. Stunning work.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    thanks canada my man. Nope. Been sick and miserable. 3rd time this year... plus a pulled calf and lower back. Missing my first race in palm springs this weekend pissed.

    I want this: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/time-trial-tech-the-race-of-truth-at-the-2012-usa-pro-challenge_236389

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Are you talking about the Shiv?

  • this made me chuckle: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/mississippi-state-johnthan-banks-says-he-can-cover-detroit-lions-calvin-johnson-megatron-030213

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i would love to see a noob come into the NFL after talking shit about a vet like Megatron and get worked.

  • If that dude even makes a team, you will.

    A cb running a 4.6... move over manti

  • Just for you, Irish. By the way, I definitely appreciate your passion against the cabal, even though you're a bit far afield from the worst of it geographically...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/business/new-york-fed-agreed-to-testify-for-bank-of-america.html?partner=yahoofinance&_r=0

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Good article Dave.

    On a side note, have you seen the documentary Battle for Brooklyn? It's about one of the more egregious stadium deals to move the Nets to Brooklyn.

  • Fucking gnome code. I have my bags packed Jeff, there over there at the door, see?

    http://fab.com/inspiration/playboy-suitcase

    I told Erik to carry them for me. He told me to fuck off. Erik, such language! The man of steel does not talk like that.

    Last year was a cluster fuck, guys. Tice was such a goof ball that he got Chico Rahal to QUIT - WHILE being an UN-INJURED STARTER!!

    Let's think about this for a moment. The line was such a cluster fuck of blame and finger pointing and the SF game was such a horror show, as Alex would say, that a guy who is probably wiping down cars at a Car Wash walked out of the NFL of his OWN VOLITION rather than go forward.

    And my guess is having to cover the inside stunt for Webb had a big part in that.

    Fucking gnome code. Guys, I called the moving van. PLease, Jeff - let's go.

    You have to let Webb and Garza go. You have to go with linemen in Rnd 1 AND 2, and still go to FA. We're good on cap room, even with Forte's deal we're still looking good. We can go Rnd 1 and 2 and pick up a FA, as long as it's not Jake Long. A flyer on Sebastian Vollmer with an incentive based deal. Cooper in Round 1.

    Garza, Spencer, Webb - gone. Carmini has to play his way to swing tackle, or be the backup at RG to Louis.

    We gotta see how Carmini and Louis look in camp. See if Brown is ready to get a look or Scott can work out at LT.

    THat's how you start.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I like this.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Webb stays. He's cheap depth.

  • I also honestly think that losing this dork will make a HUGE difference

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSmsEWVCSE

    Huh-Huh-Huh. Huh-huh. Gotta work to the zone. We're right where we need to be. Gotta clean up. Huh-huh-huh

    Spit your gum out you fucking ironhead lug

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i'm getting re-mad just thinking about Tice

  • This is why I don't believe all the "experts" in the NFL.

    How many times did we hear NFL personnel claim Tice was an "Offensive Line Genius"?

    Then, in a league HURTING with Olines, NO ONE hires him!

    I think Tice's biggest downfall was his hubris. It's like that episode of Seinfeld when Frank Constanza tries to salvage bad meat by over seasoning it, and much like that outcome, the results made us puke.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    To me, the guy that had to go more than anyone was Drake. I think he was probably worse than no coach at all - hell, we'd have been better off letting Hoke coach them.

  • Contracts:
    Lance Louis must be re-signed
    Cut Chris Spencer
    Cut Kellen Davis

    FA:
    If we make a big signing, it will be a "below the radar" left tackle. I seriously doubt we have the money for a big signing, even with the cuts I listed above. These are my targets:
    - Jake Long or Andre Smith: One of these two will get a big contract to switch teams. If they both switch teams, the other one will get a much more manageable deal. If we can get something like the 5 years, 38.75 million that the Giants gave Will Beatty, we can make it work.
    - Gosder Cherilus, Phil Loadholt, Jason Smith or King Dunlap: All are flawed players in some respect (penalties mostly), but grade out well on PFF. When you are bargain shopping, you take a guy like this that fits your system and sign him to a 2-3 year deal worth $3-4 million per year. We can afford this with minimal cap magic.
    - Austin Howard: Restricted FA with the Jets. I wouldn't give a pick for him, but if the Jets are hurting for cap space, I could see them losing him to a minimum tender and the same 2-3 year deal with $3 million per year.

    I would also be looking at guards, although not necessarily big money ones.
    - Levitre is an intriguing prospect because he can play LT. But if he isn't a proven LT like Long or Smith, I would not pay him franchise LT money. If we think he is good enough to play LT, I'd give him 5 years and $23 million.
    - Kevin Boothe and Ryan Lilja: Both are aging vets who can move around the line a bit. For vet minimum or close to it, either of them would bring experience to mentor some of the talent that we bring in through the draft. There are probably others who Emery has on his list.

    Draft:
    Each of my "targets" is a player I would take if available at our current position in Rounds 1 & 2 pretty much regardless of who else is on the board. Just because I put a player here doesn’t mean I expect him to be available.
    Round 1 Targets: Joekel, Fisher, Johnson, Warmack, Cooper
    Round 2 Targets: Fluker, Barrett Jones, Dallas Thomas, Larry Warford, possibly Kyle Long or Menelik Watson (need more info on both)
    We currently have 6 picks. I do not believe there is a tight end in the first two rounds that we should take. I’d probably take Eifert in the second because of his talent level, but I think both he and Ertz look to be blocking liabilities. I would like to see us use either our 1st or 2nd on a true O-lineman as discussed above. I would then like to see at least one more lineman picked up in round 4-6. I don’t want to see us take more than 3 guys in the draft because we won’t have the roster spots to give them all a fair shake at that point.
    My ideal O-line solution:
    FA – Austin Howard (3 years, $8 million, no compensation to the Jets); Kevin Boothe (1 year, $1 million)
    Draft – Barrett Jones (taken at #27 after trading down for a 3rd with the Chiefs), Oday Aboushi (taken in the 3rd), Alvin Bailey (taken in 6th)
    Starting O-line: Howard/Aboushi, Boothe, Jones, Lance Louis, Carimi/Brown/Scott/Howard
    Reserves – Tackle: Webb; Guard: Garza, Edwin Williams/Alvin Bailey.
    The goal would be for Garza to serve as the main backup in the middle of the line, with Edwin Williams or Bailey behind him. Howard would serve as an anchor on one side of the line while any of Carimi, Brown, Scott or Aboushi would evolve into a long term starter on the other side. Its a training camp thing - but I suspect Brown and Scott will be gone in favor of new blood for the new coaches. Webb would make a great swing tackle given his experience, but may be cut if we fall in love with two prospects that can't start (say Scott and Aboushi). In a perfect world we would get some trade compensation for Webb or Carimi if either one fails to make the final cut, but I don't see it this year beyond maybe trading for another team's linebacker rejects.

    Tight End? I'd like to see Gabin Escobar in the 4th or Nick Kasa in the 5th.

    That leaves the salary cap in decent shape. And it leaves picks in the second and fifth for a couple of defensive prospects. Or possibly for a trade up to grab our preferred linebacker.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I thought the consensus opinion was that Scott did pretty well and should be kept. Or was that just because he being graded on the Bears' O-line curve?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    He seemed solid to me. Not spectacular, but good enough to play RT for us. I like him for cheap depth if we sign a FA tackle.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Carimi and Webb might be cap casualties if they don't make noise at camp. But if we draft two prospects at tackle, we won't have enough roster spots to keep everyone. In the scenario I described above both Aboushi and Howard are guaranteed to get spots. That leaves only two spots for guys on the bench - and four tackles (Carimi, Webb, Scott and Brown) fighting for them.

    I doubt Carimi gets cut so soon after being drafted in the first. His technique was weak last year, but his physical tools are solid. Webb is a popular candidate for swing tackle, but its possible that Scott beats him out as having more "upside" or being cheaper.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Not happening. At worse, they are backup tackles (possibly guard in Carimis case). Here are their cap hits:

    Carimi: $1.925M and if cut, dead cap hit of $2.83M
    Webb: $1.388M and if cut, a cap hit of $15K
    Scott: current FA and got paid $540K last year (min)

    As you said, Carimi is unlikely to be cut as he should be given this season to be evaluated, plus if we cut him we pay an extra mil approx. While we could save a mil and a bit by cutting Webb, we won't get a replacement for much cheaper and even if we could I would doubt that they would be better than Webb. Regarding Scott, he will probably want a bit more cash this year. He also doesn't have more upside, he is 30 and Webb is 24.

    Brown and Carimi can both double up and play Guard, so we don't have to worry about an overload of tackles. If we resign Louis, then we have two roster spots open from Rachal and Spencer to fill via FA and the draft.

    So our depth at OL heading into camp will be Webb, Carimi, Scott, Louis, Garza, Williams, Brown, new body, new body, UDFAs.

    Out of that lot, I would cut one of Garza or Williams, and let the other compete for the C job with a new body or UDFA.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I liked Brown, and according to PFF, he ranked pretty well with his limited time. I seriously think he's going to be our starting RT, moving Carimi to OG.

  • Sorry, meant Scott.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    What about Vance McDonald out of Rice? He had a GREAT combine and looks like he is an under-the-radar player who could possibly be had in the 2nd or 3rd round. 6'4", 267 lbs, 34 3/4" Arms (Ridiculous), 4.6 40YD, 31 Reps at 225.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    that's a quality post there NB. Solid effort.

  • The last time the Bears had any success building an o-line wwas when they signed John Tait and Reuben Brown as FAs.

    I believe Brown was a relative bargain because the Steelers thought he was washed up.

    Have they drafted a quality lineman since Kruetz?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I think they got Fred "jabber jaws" Miller about the same time. He had a few good years as a FA pickup. They picked up Garza at that time too.

    The only decent pick I can think of is 7th rounder Lance Louis. He's tough, athletic, and faster than Te'o.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    everyone's faster than teo corm.... even his fake dead gf

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, except Rich Eisen

    http://richeisen.nfl.com/2013/02/26/rich-eisens-40-yard-dash-gets-analyzed/?module=HP11_content_stream

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I forgot about Miller. Decent pick up but went he declined, it was VERY fast.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm pretty sure Ruben came from the Bills, and I think it was a contract squabble. He had around 10 years in the league and he wanted more than they were willing to pay. I think Columbo may have been the only quality lineman drafted by the Bears since Kruetz. He was quality for other teams.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I submit Columbo was never more than adequate, and was always a trip to the sideline waiting to happen.

  • canada, checking out the tour d'oman right now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jesus, what a shithole sandbox that place is... wow.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sagan tearing it up again.

    hilarious, at the podium instead of hot chicks each time, there are some al-qaeda looking motherfuckers. Jesus.

    ALLLLAAADIIIIIIIIIINNNNN!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I saw some of that a week or two ago. Bring back the podium girls. It's amazing how much that race must cost Oman. Gotta admit the roads look to be brand new but riding around in a sandstorm every day isn't my idea of a good time.

  • hey GP: http://www.formula1.com/video/?uid=2012111819R

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    ?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    F1 season starts on the 15 in aussieland. You have to register to the site to see the vids for some inane/absurd marketing reason.

  • Rodman was interviewed on This Week with George Stephenopolous about his trip to North Korea. I guess Kim Jung Un, the Dear Leader or whatever they call him, is now his friend and a "good guy". And the North Korean people just LOVE him. WTF is wrong with you Rodman? Your as stupid and naive as the dumb celebrities who praise Cuba and Castro after getting the red carpet treatment on visits.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/dennis-rodman-week-18641248

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    look at him Corm. dude is a fucking freakshow.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    I don't think The Worm is going to be an ambassador any time soon. It's weird. He's actually a fairly bright person but he has so many behavior issues it's beyond belief.

  • So, for the sake of the argument, let's say we restructure Peppers contract and give Peanut an extension, thus freeing up cap room. I think we should resign Lance Louis and plug him back in at RG, then make a run at Brandon Albert who should come at a moderate price to fill our LT deficiency. Finally, draft Jonathan Cooper out of North Carolina - who should be available at #20 - and plug him in immediately at LG. This does not involve a ridiculous amount of spending and would give Da Bears one of the better lines in the league, in my opinion.

  • In reply to BearDown85:

    A guy coming off a major surgery at RG, an unproven rookie at LG, a horribly declining Garza at C, no depth for them and this is one of the best lines in the league?

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    First off, I wrote that post earlier assuming that Louis would return to form.

    Secondly, I didn't say "one of the best lines" I said, one of the better...likely ranking somewhere in the top half of the league (which would be a HUGE upgrade over what we have had the last 3-4 seasons).

    Thirdly, I don't think Garza is as bad as everyone is making him out to be. Just because PFF said he was the worst center in the league, the whole city of Chicago wants to get rid of him right now. If you watch the tape, yes he gets beat occasionally, but the sacks he gives up are more likely Cutler's fault (and I am a 100% Cutler supporter by the way). Like others have said, one offseason is not going to fix everything, but insert a mid-grade free agent and a 1st round draft pick and it will be an instant upgrade.

  • In reply to BearDown85:

    My biggest issue isn't the pass protection (which was bad), its the record setting number of false start penalties on seemingly a weekly basis. I'm not even sure I understand how its possible for a center to get a false start penalty - the first thing he's supposed to do is snap the ball.

    But I hear you. I think cutting Garza would save us money, but would also cost us leadership on the line. Most importantly, if Louis isn't ready to go in week 1, Garza can cover either guard spot for the first half of the season and let LL come back when he's in top form.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I would be willing to think about Garza as a guard for another season. I still like Barrett Jones as our #1. Despite the foot injury, a guy that was an All-American at THREE different OL positions* (RT, G, C) is the guy I want.

    * Also a perfect GPA in a real major (accounting) both as an undergraduate and for his masters. Yes, brains matter in the NFL. A lot.

  • In reply to BearDown85:

    Garza gets no push at all in the run game and is mediocre at best in pass protection. Not to mention the false starts that NBIT mentions (also my biggest issue).We cannot afford to have him around for 'leadership'. Fuck that noise. I think we all learned enough from Kreutz to avoid going down that road. If he is willing to take a pay cut to vet min, then sure, keep him around.

    If you take the assumption that Louis will return to form, what is you backup plan to if he isn't 100% or if he has lost it? A torn ACL isn't an easy injury to come back from, especially for a 300lb+ guy that will have to exert a lot of stress from his lower body to maintain bullrushing DTs, who will be all too willing to find out how much he is healed.

    I actually meant to type 'better' rather than 'best' so you have my apologies there.

    Personally, I would rather focus on getting Levitre. He would shore up our line and is a proven commodity, perfoming very well for a team that was great at running the ball, and ok at passing (I put that on Fitzpatrick though, and his WR corps). From there, I've still not thought out what to do as the upcoming draft has been one of the most difficult to predict in years. I would like to pick up Schwenke, and while it won't happen now I would have loved one of the 3 OTs that will go in the 1st round.

  • In reply to BearDown85:

    You cannot have a good line with Garza at center. He cannot do the job. Cannot. Cannot.

  • damn: http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c1#/video/bestoftv/2013/02/16/ac-tio-hardiman-chicago-violence.cnn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Most of the black guys I watch Bears games with at the bar are former Chicago gang members from the various projects. Every one of them say they moved here to get away from the violence and criminal lifestyle. A couple of the guys I know didn't leave that lifestyle until they were in their 30's or 40's. Chicago has some fucked up and dangerous neighborhoods. That danger is all centered around money and the War on Drugs.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Where exactly do you do your drinking?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    La Crosse, WI.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Here you go, Fifth. Some nice Allman vids (Devon).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4bcoStvYXg&list=PLuKtKAhCWyrabSRBAWUYnCH8YHZ7recms&index=11

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    And I'm no expert but I do believe Devon is playing a Gretsch resonator here, Tobi:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcU3GTb47do&list=PLuKtKAhCWyrabSRBAWUYnCH8YHZ7recms

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Not that familiar with those hollow bodies. Nice tone, though. And Greg's kid has some real talent, doesn't he? Speaking of some really nice guitars, I just watched This Is Spinal Tap again last night for about the twentieth time. Man, there were some gorgeous ones. I've always been partial to the sound of a Gibson through a Marshall amp (first guitar ever was an SG and the last one was a Les Paul Jr.) but that combo isn't appropriate for everything...

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Huh, one of my younger brothers graduated from the UW there. Fascinating that those guys ended up there, of all places...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    When I first moved here in 94, there were very few black people in the area. I worked with one of the first black guys to move here who wasn't a student. I still see him at the bar for every game when the Bears aren't on TV. I think he grew up in the Robert Taylor Homes, or some nearby area. No shit, he was about 30 at the time and acted like a little kid when he seen a big frog. He had never seen a frog before, and played with the frog for about 30 minutes. He got equally as excited when he would see deer or foxes on the golf course.

    To me, it was strange to see someone get so excited over mother nature and at the same time be afraid of it. Saterial, as he would describe himself, is "6'5, 265, less than 5% body fat, and my body is my playground."

    I think the reason many Chicago area people move here is because it's "easy living". Not just black people. The area has a lot of entertainment options, but very low crime and low cost of living. That's why I decided to stay.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "Changing the way people think" - what a concept!!

  • As far as the OL goes, we usually keep 8 OL. I'm guessing that will include Webb, Louis, Carimi, Garza, Scott and Brown. Williams might stick if we don't do anything in FA. That would leave room for 1-2 rookies. If we actually sign a decent FA or two Williams, Scott and Garza could be on thin ice. If Carimi wasn't a 1st rounder I'd say he was on thin ice. No way we get rid of Webb. If Louis isn't ready he might go on the PUP list for the first 6 weeks.

  • Let's be honest.

    One offseason of rebuilding, re-tooling, whatever you want to call it is NOT going to fix a unit that has been more or less neglected for half a dozen years. No amount of cap space or draft picks this offseason is going to turn the group into all-pro lineman, it's going to take a lot of time and effort from Emery, Trestman and Kromer to get this unit rebuilt. In the short term there is hope for servicability, but I think it's going to take some creativity from management JUST to get servicability.

    What I know WON'T work is neglecting to draft another lineman this year. I was convinced the Bears were intent on killing Cutler after last year's draft and FA period. How do you bring in tempting targets in Marshall and Jeffrey but NOT bring in ANYONE to protect your franchise? It was probably Lovie and Tice that convinced Emery they could work with the "talent" they currently had and it was probably a big reason why they got let go. Emery needs to be smarter than to igonre, again, what has been the biggest weakness of the Bears for the better part of the past decade.

    Trade up for one of the big 3 OTs: Joeckle, Johnson or Fisher. Trade down and build depth. I don't really care, just DON'T continue to neglect protecting the franchise's biggest asset. Da Cutler.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I agree with everything except giving Emery a pass. The buck stops with him. I'm sure Lovie/Tice had some influence but Emery had the final say.

    If we get a good FA, a first rounder that actually pans out (what a concept!) and Carimi and/or Webb step up the OL could be decent. That's a lot of ifs. Still worried Louis won't be ready for the opener (if he's re-signed).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    True Canada, but the scenario Emery inherited is quite unique. He HAD to have Lovie as HC, and I'm sure the higher-ups told Emery to play nice with the regime. As such, Emery probably gave Lovie and Co a lot of leniency and power (or enough rope to hang themselves with), even kept a lot of the same scouts. It was almost like Lovie was the GM (I mean, didn't Emery have to get interviewed by Lovie?).

    The power dynamic was off. There's a reason GMs hire HCs, and not the other way around.

    This year I expect a totally different draft. Balance of power is restored. New coaches giving him input, while Emery will no longer be "lovie-bound." Trestman will be eternally grateful and differential to Emery, so I fully expect this draft to be more Emery-ish than the last.

  • Different cities opeate differently, but it is not the case on every team that the HC is hired by the GM. Reid, for example, basically has final say, so he really outranks the GM.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Yeah, I know certain coaches have GM powers (The Parcell model), but the Bears SUPPOSEDLY weren't one of those teams with Lovie-Emery. I mean, Emery id fire Lovie in the end, but the whole draft seemed very Lovie-ish to me. And entirely neglecting our Oline also felt very Tice-ish.

  • I think your scenario was 100% right and what I've thought all along.

    Emery gets a pass for last year IFF he has a normal (i.e., good/logical) draft this year, and the POS that was rds 1,3, 5, 6, 7 gets hung on the shitbirds who created the mess in the first place.

    God I'm so happy angelo, lovie, tice, martz, drake, etc... are gone. We may end up worse but at least there's hope for change right now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know I'm a broken record, but especially Drake

  • In reply to Shady:

    I beg to differ Shady. One offseason CAN fix a lot of the problems if it's a focus.

    Look at the Ravens last year.

    All year their Oline struggled, which was why they had a so-so highly inconsistent season.

    Then, they get a new OC, move around the Oline for the playoffs, and bang, SB Champs. They didn't even need an entire off-season, they did it in a few weeks. It was an amazing transformation which I think we can follow.

    Naturally, we need coaches who can correctly project which players are best where, and a GM who can finally draft a 1st round Olineman who doesn't suck.

  • The Bears' line is lightyears ahead of where Baltimore's was last season. In terms of turribleness.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ha!

  • In reply to Shady:

    That was last year, Shady.

    We buy Long, draft Cooper, rehab Louis and let Webb, Carimi and Scott battle it out for RT like that scene from Batman where the Joker has one opening, and our Oline will be on par with the Raven's SB run (talent wise, at least).

    The rest is just coaching, scheme, and Cutler not waiting 30 seconds for one WR to get open from triple coverage, and we're ready to roll!

    All aboard the Emery Express - Chu! Chu!

  • QB Matt Blanchard Re-signed Chicago Bears Chicago Bears
    QB Jason Campbell UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    QB Josh McCown UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    RB Armando Allen ERFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    WR Joe Anderson UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    WR Devin Thomas Signed Chicago Bears Detroit Lions
    PK Olindo Mare UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    OT Jonathan Scott UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    OG Lance Louis UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    OG Chilo Rachal UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    OG Chris Spencer UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    DL Israel Idonije UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    DL Henry Melton Re-signed Chicago Bears Chicago Bears
    DL Amobi Okoye UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    DL Cheta Ozougwu Re-signed Chicago Bears Chicago Bears
    DL Brian Price Signed Chicago Bears Dallas Cowboys
    LB Geno Hayes UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    LB Nick Roach UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    LB Brian Urlacher UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    CB Zackary Bowman UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    CB Kelvin Hayden UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    CB D.J. Moore UFA Chicago Bears Free Agent
    FS Anthony Walters RFA Chicago Bears Free Agent

    http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team

  • In reply to Shady:

    I already wrote my "Capology Special" here.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/da-bears-blog/2013/02/marc-trestman-suggest-shea-may-not-be-exclusively-de/

    Long story short, re-sign:

    Lance Louis
    Roach
    Izzy
    McCown
    Scott
    Okoye and/or Collins

    The rest is gravy, and if it's Lach, white gravy.

  • Well, I was going to write a manifesto, but I’ll try not to go all uni-bomber.

    FA Options.

    We’ll have about $7M in cap space for an FA after signing and releasing our own (Plus $3M set aside for the draft). However, I fully expect Melton to eventually get some sort of contract, which will gives us maybe an extra $2M this season, and I would guess that the Bears will restructure at least one contract to free up maybe another $2M, so in this optimistic scenario, we’ll have roughly $11M for an FA which should be just enough to get …Jake Long, Michigan.

    OT Will Beatty (who I wanted as my “bargain” LT) just signed a contract which essentially pays him $7.5M/year.

    Reports are that Long, Albert and Andre Smith (who’s strictly a RT) are asking for about $9M/year.

    Of those 3, I consider Long the best. He’s had some nagging injuries the last two seasons, but if it weren’t for them, he wouldn’t even be available and for relatively cheap. I say relatively cheap because Joe Thomas (who Long according to my Madden 12 equals) just signed an $84M contract with $44M guaranteed. Long won’t sniff that.

    Albert is also an injury risk (back problems), and it’s ridicules to pay any RT (Andre Smith) that sort of money.

    Long at worst is avg, which is still better than Weed Nation.

    The other blue-light specials (Bushrod, Loadholt, Cherilus, etc) at best are avg, and only marginally better than Jweed. So the way I see it, we pay that extra $1.5M for “upside” because if Kromer can turn no-names into all-pros, imagine what he’ll do with a former #1 overall who already was an all-pro. The ceiling is much higher. I say, fuck it, all in. Long could turn out to be the best bargain of all. Remember when Peppers was supposed to be “lazy”?

    Draft Options

    I’ll just keep us at #20. OG Warmack and C/OG Cooper. One of these will be available for us, and I like both. Warmack will probably get drafted right before us which is fine because I actually prefer Cooper since he can play center while Warmack is purely an OG.

    In the 2nd we’ll have to draft a TE and some quality prospects will still be available. Eifert and Ertz will be gone by the middle of the 2nd, but these guys should be on the board: Vance McDonald, Escobar, Kelce. Take one and don’t look back.

    Now, some will want to draft an olinemen in the 2nd as well, but more than likely he’ll be riding pine this year, and we all know Emery wants starters the first 2 rounds. I just don’t see the Bears benching Cairmi, so he’ll probably get first dibs at LG, followed by Brown.

    In the 5th we can draft another C/OG like Kahled Holmes or Brian Schwenke

    So, in my Bears 2013, the line will look like this.

    Long-Carimi-Cooper-Louis-Scott.

    Webb at swing OT.
    Brown swing OG.
    Holmes backup C/G.

    TE McDonald, Spaeth, Arod (flex).

    It’s addition by addition (Long, Cooper, Holmes) and addition by subtraction (Webb no longer starting, Garza gone). We’ll have a good young line (Carimi, Cooper, Louis, Webb, Brown, Holmes) along with some vets (Long, Scott). Carimi perhaps is the biggest question mark, but LGs are usually helped by centers, so at least he won’t get bull-dozed into the QB like in that 9er game. Either way, 1st rounders are given about 3 years to fail, so this will be his last chance to prove he’s not a backup. If Carimi does crash and burn, James Brown looked pretty good, and I’d like to see what he could do. Hopefully, this Oline will make Cutler shout like James Brown, “I feel good!”

    Alternate special edition director’s cut ending…”Pappa’s got a brand new line!”

  • Makes perfect sense but I'll really be surprised if Garza isn't the starting center in 2013 regardless of whether he deserves to be or not...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I think the Bears are gonna keep Garza too. I wouldn't, but they most likely will. Coaches don't really like starting rooks at center (however, we're going to have a whole new system for everyone to learn, so hey, why not?).

    If the Bears want Garza to start at center, it wouldn't change my plans much (We'd have $2M less in cap space this year, but that could be offset by Melton's contract plus renegotiating a current contract).

    Still draft Cooper in the first, only he'd start at LG over Carimi while learning the center position, and Carimi then would battle it out at RT with Webb and Scott. So, in this scenario, our Oline would look like this.

    Long-Cooper-Garza-Louis-Carimi(?)

    I really don't see us carrying 4 OTs (Long, Webb, Scott, Carimi), and the "whispers" are that Scott is getting re-signed, while Jwebb is staying, which is why I'm projecting Carimi being moved to OG.

    I guess we'll find out soon enough.

  • Unless your name is Pouncey, you don't usually start at center in the NFL at rook. Cooper is not that guy.

    You say:
    Long-Carimi-Cooper-Louis-Scott.

    If we go with getting Long, with THAT personnel set, we'd see:

    Long-Cooper-EdWilliams-Louis-Scott

    With Carmini backing up Louis at RG. They would put the rook Cooper next to Long and let Williams make the line calls.

    That line reminds me of the John Tait days when we ran with Thomas Jones. I think Forte would have a good year if that group could gel and get off the ball.

    Do I think we'll go get Long? I don't. It doesn't seem very Emery.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I also disagree that if you go OL in Rnd 1 AND 2, the guy from the 2nd round would be sitting and not an impact starter.

    If you get Watson from FSU, and you had serious coaching, you could go Watson-Cooper and have a all-rook left side. I have never seen it done, but it could be done.

    If we DO get Long, then you stop after you get Cooper in 1, and go get your burner in 2.

    Either way, we'll see pretty soon. We'll probably draft Toni Kukoc in the 1st round, knowing Emery.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry, what am I thinking: Tomlin tried starting DeCastro and Adams last year - both were rooks but DeCastro was a DeSazter.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Gp, here's a reply to your Vapors song. A little oriental ditty from some of my friends back in the 90's. Just your typical stoned metal dudes with ADD.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmPkIJWrm4o

  • In reply to gpldan:

    DeCastro only appeared in 4 games last year due to an injury in preseason to both his ACL and his MCL. Gotta give him til next year to judge him.

    But I do agree with you that we shouldn't be plugging in two rooks off the bat. I would also prefer Schwenke over Cooper to be our future C. Roberto 'False Start' Garza has been done for 2 years now.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    We also need and have needed a middle linebacker.

  • Melton got the tag, so your scenarios will have to be re-donehttp://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Bears-put-franchise-tag-on-Henry-Melton/689e541b-e38e-490c-8daf-b66709127961

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Too bad I cant delete

  • Wow. Are you freaking kidding me? This is up there with Deon running a 4.2 40 without shoes or warm ups.

    "BYU DE Ezekiel Ansah did not train for February's Scouting Combine, instead focusing on finishing classes at Brigham Young.
    Almost every Combine invitee hires a trainer to prepare. Ansah didn't, and he still tore it up. Measuring in at 6-foot-5 and 271 pounds with 35 1/8-inch arms, Ansah posted the sixth fastest forty time (4.63) of 37 defensive linemen who ran, and his 34 1/2-inch vertical tied for seventh. Only Barkevious Mingo had a faster ten-yard split (1.56). Ansah's agent claims his forty-yard dash at the Combine was the first he's ever run in his life. We expect Ansah to be drafted in the single digits."

    Rotoworld.

  • QM thought of the day :

    Ever seen a photon entering a coke bottle? Pretty cool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkbr-FItV00

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    Now that they have a new LT I would:
    1-put Spencer at Center where he was a 6 time Pro Bowler
    2-Mor Garza back to RG
    3-put Carimi at LG
    4-let the rest of them fight it out for RT.

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