Marc Trestman's Oakland Raiders Offense [VIDEOS]

Marc Trestman's Oakland Raiders Offense [VIDEOS]

Sometimes I don't know what to post or share with you folks. But after finding myself spending the better part of the morning watching video highlights of Marc Trestman's 2002 Oakland Raiders offense I figured why the hell not see what you think.

Two notes before you see these two videos. (1) Trestman and Gannon's offense was entirely about timing. There was almost no delay in the quarterback's mind about where to go with the football once he took the snap. The days of Jay sitting in a pocket and surveying seem to be over. (2) Crossing routes, crossing routes, crossing routes. So many crossing routes.


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  • First Beyouches!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    "Sometimes I don't want to post or share with you folks."...

    blogfader....I'm really hurt you think this way...WTF!!!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    He said, "I don't know what to post or share..."

  • I see now that it did not say that originally. Proceed with the hanging.

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    I don't get the comment, that you don't like to share.

  • Blogfader.... remember opinions are like assholes...we all have one...and btw some are bigger than

  • The comment was a typo not a political statement.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    It's all good blogfader....I will follow you where ever you go!!!!! that's what brothers do!!!! just bust the balls that's all.....

  • I was trying to put that post up in 8 seconds and I botched it. Of course I want to share with the readers here. It's all I do for half the year.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    and that's why we follow......Oh benevolent Blogfader!!!!!

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Ever think of handing over the reins once in a while? It's a lot of work for one guy. I'm sure one of the regs here could help with the work load and let you focus on your worldly insights.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I concur. Jeff's pic makes it look like 'handing over the reins' means letting someone else drive the windowless van stocked with Mike's Hard Lemonade, masking tape, cuffs and chloroform.

  • Or maybe it's just a Hunter S Thompson homage...

  • Then it should be smoking something, not skulking about in disguise. Maybe it's an homage to Ignatius J. Reilly.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    That onread link sucks. OnRead requires registration to download but doesn't make that clear (bad sign). I think it's just a search engine for torrent-type files. Who knows what you'll get with that. I already own the book so I don't know. Sorry - should have checked before posting.

    Here's a pic of the fictional Reilly:

    See the resemblance? Anybody read the book? It won the Pulitzer. Killed the author. Soon to be a movie, if Zack Galifianakis survives:

    "...Did we mention the project is cursed? John Belushi was set to star in the film in 1982, but just days before he was to meet with producers, he died. Then John Candy was on board, before his death in 1994. Then Chris Farley, before he died in 1997. Then, all plans to film in New Orleans were halted after the city was devastated by hurricane Katrina.*** Don't get us wrong, we want to see Dunces on the big screen. But there is a significant chance that, upon release, the sky itself will burn with unholy fire and the rivers will flow red with the blood of the innocent..."
    (scroll down to the #1 Most Awesome)

    *** That version was to star Will Ferrell as Ignatius.

    PS: This fucking site doesn't even update properly anymore.

  • Hey Lobo,

    Are you familiar with the work of Charles Bronson? This guy, not the actor. I'll post a few links for you to check out. He's Britain's "most dangerous criminal" His crimes were petty for the most part, but while in prison, he kicks so much ass (mostly prison guards) that he's been in prison for most of his life and the vast majority of that time in solitary confinement. I watched a movie about him on Neflix, called Charles Bronson and starring Tom Hardy who does a superb job. It's a dark flick but very humorous. I though his art was brilliant, but I'm no artist.

  • Doc,

    Not familiar with this artist but damn I am very interested. just looked a little into the introduction and going to look more...

    Thanks Doc...this is awesome!!!

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Personally, I like the other Charles Bronson's work more

    Bang Bang (litterally)

  • You know what I noticed the most? The offensive line dominating.

  • In reply to Shady:

    what's that?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    did you know that we almost have more invested in Kellen Davis and Spaeth on a yearly basis than our entire fucking offensive line?

    And people wonder why there is inconsistency.

  • jesus lovie/angelo. What an utter shitshow man. Seriously.


  • lincon kennedy, there's a name from the past.

    He grew up in SD and went to Morse High (a predominantly african american school in the hood). They were fucking awesome back in the day. My school never played directly against them, although we did play and beat Lincon High, the school marcus allen went to… and another SD hood powerhouse, in the CIF quarters my senior year. Man those guys were ALL fast and could hit like trucks.

    Aaaaanyway, saw kennedy play a couple games when I came home from my first year at college. He was a beast even in high school.

  • Nice work kid:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    In one of those pictures you can see the ring on her finger.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    a. It's easier to get over the death of a beloved when said beloved never existed to begin with.

    b. Ironically, Santa Claus was more real then his GF, which makes that pic particularly funny.

    c. Mormons celebrate X-mas?

    d. If I were him, I'd bang like 10 chicks at once and post the pics on TMZ so that I would regain some semblance of manhood and teammate respect back.

    e. I would have LOVED to be in that room when his new girl over dinner asked, "So, why didn't your last relationship workout?"

  • Hahahahahaha!

    Well done.


  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Hahah, Oh yeah! I forgot about the Mormon Tabernacle Choir during X-mas- one of the best.

    I get mixed up now adays with all these churches and X-mas. I think the Jehovah Witnesses and a few others don't "celebrate" it in the traditional sense.

    My sister is a born again (the most annoying of all), so they just watch movies of god/jesus/bible at X-mas. I have nothing against that, but my two nephews aren't allowed to watch all the other Xmas stuff like Rudolph, Frosty the Snowman, Grinch, Peanut special, and esp anything remotely related to Santa (they think he's dangerously close to a "false idol"). Kinda sucks for them. Only so many times one can watch "The Ten Commandments" as a kid.

    This past Xmas all the family was over and we were stuck watching "The Passion" over dinner. How is that for appetizing? I couldn't believe my sis and her hubby would allow the kids (about 4) to watch it, esp the flogging part when he's all bloody and chunks of flesh are being ripped out.

    Anywho, perhaps I should have posted that little nugget during the holidays, but we actually had football to talk about in Dec.

  • Also - Mitt Romney. That's a dead giveaway. We don't elect non-Christmas presidents in this country. Neither party would dare nominate one (it would be like saying there's no Santa).

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I think a non "Christian" will eventually get elected - really, it's all about charm. Romney was the Republican John Kerry. It amazed me that many Republican pundits actually believed they were going to win with that guy. Talk about wishful thinking fallacy.

    JFK first Catholic. Charming.
    Obama first Af-Am. Charming
    Fill-in-the-blank - first non "christian" charming.

    However, I'm not sure if a self-proclaimed Atheist will ever get elected president in the U.S. That might be too much for American folk.

    As the joke'd prefer your doctor and accountant to believe in God...

  • The AntiChrist. Charming.

  • The preferred shoe choice for Romney and Kerry was the flip-flop. But John Forbes Kerry had one advantage over Romney. Kerry was a decorated "war hero". In just four months of Swift-boating, Kerry received a Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three purple hearts. What a warrior!

    Not sure how anyone thought Romney was a viable candidate. The dude spent over a year campaigning in the primaries, over a dozen debates, and I didn't know one concrete view of his regarding any issue. He basically agreed with Obama on over 90% of major issues, but without any "likeability". One of the worst bills passed under Obama's first term, Obamacare, was based on Romney's failed health care plan as Governor of Massachusetts. And the shitshow continues. Regarding foreign policy, bailing out his Wall Street donors, and executive overreach, Obama is Bush 2.0.

    I'm a little bewildered why the left is not protesting in the streets over Obama's policies. Guantanamo Bay. Illegal drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen, and countless other countries. The NDAA act. Extension of the Patriot Act. Massive Wall St. bailouts. The "Consumer Protection Act", which fucks over businesses and the little guy. The President being able to authorize the murder of any American citizen without any oversight. The unemployment rate (not the "official" unemployment rate, but the real unemployment rate). It's as bad as France and Germany a decade ago. The US Senate not even PROPOSING a budget since Obama became President, which is one of their main fucking jobs! No leadership on the budget issue. The one or two budgets he proposed were shot down by over 90% percent by the Democrat controlled Senate.

    Obama is Bush 2.0. Neither person has any leadership skills or principles (aside from power). Both will assuage part of their rabid base of supporters to try and keep them happy. But neither of them have been willing to tackle the tough fiscal and civil rights issues that are or were staring them right in the face.

  • We've ALREADY elected a non-christian.

  • Isn't "The Passion" a more suitable Easter movie served with ham, mashed potatoes, and ham/ pineapple gravy? The kids should be able to watch the pagan Peanuts xmas special, or at least the part where Linus talks about the birth of Jesus. As Lucy would say, "Charlie Brown is a blockhead, but he did pick out a nice xmas tree".

  • Whoa.. You mean to tell me that we are going back to a Mike Martz type of system?

    "(1) Trestman and Gannon's offense was entirely about timing. There was almost no delay in the quarterback's mind about where to go with the football once he took the snap. The days of Jay sitting in a pocket and surveying seem to be over. "

    The Bears better have a legit offensive line.

  • Artoo, Martz was obsessed with the 7 step drop and deep timing routes. Martzy doesn't fuck around with 7yd crossing routes.

    You should watch some tape on the West Coast offense that they ran in SF when Trestman was there and more tape on the Raiders and you'll see that we aren't running Martz's offense.

    The crazy thing about Martz was that we fucking scored points.....he was just so fucking stubborn that at the pace he was going Cutler was going to die on the field. martz couldn't adapt. Trestman is being touted as Mr. Adaptation.

  • We want the days of surveying the field to be over because our line is shit. He should be getting the ball out to Marshall, Jeffrey Forte and Bennett quickly and not be put in a position where the line has to be competent at all times.

  • Timing routes require receivers who know, run precise timing routes.
    I have a feeling we've improved just a wee bit at that position group in the last year.
    I think that was an even bigger problem for Martz' offense than the O-line...and no doubt, the O-line stunk.

  • BREAKING: #Bucs DE Da'Quan Bowers arrested at LaGuardia Airport on gun charges per @NBCNewYork #FantasyFootball #Buccaneers #TampaBay

    In case you missed it on the last thread..

    From Brandon Marshall's Twitter feed @BMarshall -
    @AJJeffery1 bro you keep working like that they may ask me to take a pay cut

  • Why is fantasy football a hashtag? Does he lose like 50pts for bringing a loaded gun to LaGuardia?

  • In reply to Shady:

    I have no clue lol I know some people can play Fantasy Football with defensive players at positions but it's really hard to choose players defensively that would achieve points..

  • Yeah, I'm not sure how that defensive ff deal works, but it seems a bit too hard core for me.

    Every year I like to try an FF format I haven't tried b4, but the defensive scoring seems too convoluted for me.

  • Hand over the reigns? No sir. No sir. I pride myself on this being a one man operation.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I don't know how you do it. What's it been like, 8-9 years? You must be on PEDs maings.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Sometimes you don't want to post or share, sometimes I don't want to read or comment. So what.

    The thing to do at those times is post a picture or video and call it "Open Thread." Then you can go back to peeping in windows. All we really need is the fresh thread.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    If CN had a like button, I would press it right about now.

    Every thread doesn't need to be a Pulitzer prize contender, esp in the offseason.

    Besides, football always presents interesting topics. One of the reasons I love it so much.

    For instance, Mike Mayock just released his Top 5 at every position for the 2013 draft.

    Something Bears fan might, yeah know, be interested in since his rankings usually reflect what many GM's.

  • I stole the peeping-in-windows remark from whoever said Jeff's avatar looks like it wants to post and share with little girls.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Spice Adams said he'd be interested in doing a session with you, Jeff.
    Let me know how to put you in touch with him, email, etc.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yo, diet starts next week though...

    Bang! Bang!

  • Hey Fifth. Just read another story about Detroit. The thieves are taking the copper wiring off of the street lights and selling it for scrap money. So now large sections of random streets have no lights at night in what is already a very dangerous place. Just a matter of time before the whole place is a federal jurisdiction. No city cops, council members, mayor. All of it will be gone. An emergency management team will be put in place and millions of dollars will be poured in to try to fix the problem. What a trainwreck. Better make your visit while you can.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    In Thailand they rob the large steel bolts from the public light poles to sell as scrap. Heads up.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Scrapping is a huge problem in Tucson... You routinely see people without teeth and lots of facial sores driving around with a truck full of scrap metal.

    In AZ, some of the crappier houses (of which the majority of my early 20s were spent) have what is called a "swamp cooler" instead of AC. The assumption is that, due to the lack of humidity, pulling air through wet pads on the roof of the house will cool the house down.

    Problem is, it's almost always rainy during the summer AND you have to open the windows for it to work (or you risk blowing a window out, which I've done). And if you own leather couches, don't sit in the same place for more than 30 seconds or you will fuse to it permanently.

    Back to the point of the story - we had copper tubing installed on the roof to bring water to the evap cooler's pads... The homeowner/roommate installed it one weekend, and less than a week later it was gone.

    But replaced with PVC. They STOLE the copper, and replaced it with PVC.

    To this day it makes no fucking sense.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Thieves with a conscience?

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I've heard about the copper theft. My buddy said a new condo or apartment complex will be built, and before the units are sold the house will be stripped at night. Detroit's debt is so massive, there is no way they can ever pay for the promised pensions to govt employees. Detroit has literally "taxed away" the tax base, aside from the preferred businesses that are subsidized. All productive people have left the city limits. They can't even give away houses, because no one wants to live there. Totally fucked up. All we can do is marvel at it's demise, and see what stopgap solutions the state or federal government can come up with to stop the bleeding.

  • In reply to The Fifth:

    Big leap of logic there, Corm.
    I think you are confusing correlation with causation.

  • Now this made me smile.

    True fact: Russian meteor was first since one devastated an area of more than 2,000 sq. kilometers in Siberia in 1908. #CubsOmens

  • The one in 1908 wiped out a forest or something, if I remember correctly. Also, some link Rasputin to the comet/phenomenon.

    Rasputin is a good beer too.

  • GREAT beer. Great fucking beer.

  • Great beer, weird as hell dude. My wife told me that Tolkien based Grima Wormtounge on that Russian freak. Seems about right.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Interesting if it's true that the British secret service assassinated Rasputin.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    So awesome man. This is the shit. LOVE this stuff.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Read some details on the ol' wikipedia that reinforced that, including rudimentary ballistics information, etc, that pointed at British involvement.
    Evidently the corpse, the autopsy reports, etc, all went up in smoke over the years.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Oh, those Brits. Also slowly poisoned Napoleon, no?

    Moral of the story.

    Don't trust any Brit!

  • Fucking Red Coats.

  • Tunguska Event

    Also read this (gotta love Russian humor):

    "One of the most popular jests: Residents of the meteor were terrified to see Chelyabinsk approaching."

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    very intertesting. thanks dave

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    that comment made me laugh out loud.

  • Doesn't matter what you post Jefe, we just turn up in the comments. It's all good.

    Just watching Kurt Warner's A Football Life. Martz admitted he was the one who messed him up at the Rams. Also interesting, they got rid of him for basically holding on to the ball too long. Ring a bell? Maybe Cutler has a Warner-like epiphany and learns to get rid of the ball quicker.

  • Watching the NFL Films all time players 10-1.

    Hutson was #9 on the list ... Rice, a receiver also .... is #1. Why?

  • Probably points, Irish. Hutson scored a lot of points, especially relative to receivers of his time. According to Wikipedia,

    "Hutson still holds the following records: Most seasons leading league in pass receptions (8), Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receptions (5), Most seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (7), Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (4), Most seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (9), Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (5), Most seasons leading league in scoring (5), and Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (5)"

    Pretty impressive resume.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Hard to argue with Hutson - redefined the position.

  • bullshit, right?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    yep, gotta be bullshit.

    He was worried about thieves but he didn't care about contractors leaving ladders around unbarred windows? Can't even come up with better than that? This guy got bad lawyers.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, well, well what a lying , cowardly, steamy pile of elephant dung THIS guy turned out to be.

    Basic shooting tenets:
    SEE your target


    KNOW what lies BEYOND your target.

    Even if one is preparred to swallow this plate of excrement he's serving up as a piss-poor alibi (I'll pass, thanks) unless bullets were flying at him thru the other side of the door, he had NO justfication to open fire.

    Plus, what? We're supposed to believe an "intruder" came to rob him but then decided "I think I need to rattle around the powder room and take a leak ./ pinch a loaf first before I start stealing stuff." ...?

    Yeah, right.

    Pistorius has no legs and neither does that story.

    What IS the current method of execution in South Africa these days anyway?

    My guesses:

    A) Hanging

    B) Firing Squad

    C) Draw and Quarter (Think "Braveheart")

    D) Thrown into Lion Pit

    E) "Naked Prey" (Sorry, no "Blades" permitted).

    I figure he makes a deal to take a death sentence off the table.

    He'll be lucky to just get a long stay at the Graybar Inn.

    This ain't L.A., Oscar.

    And you won't be getting that Incompetent Jurist / O.J. Ringmaster, Robert Ito, for a Judge.

    You're going away for LONG time, "Blade Runner".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    But Lieutenant Dan...

  • In reply to Shady:

    "Run, Forrest, Run!"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Whoops. I forgot a time-honored LOCAL method:

    F) Necklacing. (A burning tire around the neck.)
    That sounds exactly like what this guy RICHLY deserves.
    Allegedly, Winnie (Mrs. Nelson) Mandela personally presided over
    more tha one of these back in her Ani-Aparteid youth.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Ha, was just about to add that one Al. And yes, you are right about winnie, she's a piece of work man. In fact, it was even named after her:

    I agree, sounds like total bullshit to me.

    Also, here are some for you guys:

    * The prosecution says he doesn't have a leg to stand on
    * I guess he shot from the prone position
    * Supposedly she hot back, but unfortunately all of her shots went low
    * People ar saying that he's already got one foot in the door at the prison

    .I've heard a couple more, but I'll stop there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Why stop?

    In the prison hot tub, his nickname will be Bob.
    When the prison crew goes to the top of the hill to clean garbage, his name will become Roland.
    If there is a prison fire, his name will be Bernie.

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to gpldan:

    So, GP, are we to believe were in a prison that had a HOT TUB?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    It is South Africa. Who knows.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    true, but I doubt it would be on the positive side of the spectrum. More like bi-weekly torturings. And Wednesday is Mopane worm night.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Looks like best they can do is Life in Prison.
    No capital Punishment in SA.

  • dabearsblog All that being said I would like to reiterate my Bears draft plan from 2011: take an offensive lineman in every round & hope 2-3 pan out.

    I am 100% in support of this plan.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Take the best player available. Regardless of needs.

  • DUDE! Seriously!!!!!

    How in thee fuck has that strategy worked out for us so far.

    I CAN'T believe people are still advocating that idiotic strategy… for a team with GAPING holes at certain positionS that have PROVEN to be our downfall for 5+ fucking years.

    Please god stop this, please god. You too Shady!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    this strategy works great for teams that are at the very least solid at all/most positions... not teams that have to completely rebuild their entire oline.

  • And with the 20th pick of the 2013 NFL Draft, Artoo selects...HB Eddie Lacey, Alabama...

  • Hahahahahaha! Exactly!

  • Hahaha.

    I actually really think Lacey isn't worth a first round pick but some team will. Probably a team that's desperate at the RB position and will reach because he is there.

    MB, I'm not saying avoid drafting a offensive linemen. What I'm saying is if Warmack or Ogletree falls to us then I hope Emery will draft Warmack. Regardless of the FA's we will have signed by then.

    Stuff like that. I know the 49ers were kind of set when the drafted Colin Kapernick but it paid off in the long run. Almost.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    There's only about 25 other teams in BAD need of O-Linemen...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    yep, so let THEM take best player at the spot and we'll fix our oline

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    There are about 6 teams ahead of us that are really hurting at Oline that will gobble up all the OTs and possibly a C/G.

    Eagles at 4
    Cards at 7
    Chargers at 11
    Dolphins at 12
    Rams at 16
    Cowboys at 18

    Then there are other teams like the Lions & Titans which wouldn't hesitate to draft an Olinemen either if a prospect fell.

    At this point, we'd be lucky to land OT Lane Johnson.

    If we're still at 20 and Joekle, Fisher and Johnson are gone (near certainty), and we still want an Olinemen, I say trade down and pick-up G Warmack, G Cooper, OT Fluker or C/G/T Barrett Jones.

  • Warmack will be drafted somewhere between 5-18.

    Hell of a guard.

  • C/Gs ALWAYS fall in the draft, no matter how good they're percieved to be. Remember how everyone was predicting how DeCastro was the next Will Shields and he'd go top 10 for sure? What happened?

    Dropped to 24.

    Scouts will be asking how much better Warmack and Cooper are than DeCastro (or Zietler) and the answer will be - not much.

  • Very true my friend. DeCastro was touted as a top ten pick but fell due to teams with other needs and the fact that most guards are not worth a top ten draft pick.

    That being said, it will be interesting to see how the Bears attack their guard situation. Do you resign the injured Lance Louis back or add a young promising rookie?

    I'm still wondering if the Bears are really that serious about keeping Garza at the center position. I would like to replace him more than Webb.

  • I think the Bears can save 2M if they cut Garza.

    G/C Cooper and G/C/T Barret Jones would be ideal for us because they aren't just projected to be good center, but actually have experience at the position.

    Personally, I'd cut Garza, draft Barret Jones in the 2nd, and see what Brown can do at LG.

    We're sort of up against it with the cap and Melton.

    I suspect the Bears are feverishly conjoling Pepp to restructure, while working with Melton and Lach's agent, not to mention Louis.

    We might have to let Garza go to keep Louis.

  • However, if he falls to us then it better be a no brainer for Mr. Emery and Mr. Trestman

  • don't be surprised if the Cards don't take a WR.

  • translation: The Cards may take a WR.

  • Dammit. I was preparing to have no reaction whatsoever to the Cards draft choice as long as it wasn't a receiver. If it was I was going to act surprised.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I would still be surprised esp since they have Fitz and drafted Floyd highly last year.

    The talk around the water cooler seems to point to Oline or a QB reach for the Cards.

  • NFL Network had top 10 worst draft day moves.

    Ditka was only #3.

    I forgot what a fuck stick move it was to give up EVERY pick in the draft, and #1 and #3 from the FOLLOWING year for Rickey Williams.

    It's amazing that the Skins couldn't parlay that fuckstick snot bubble of a move into a dynasty.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Funny thing about that is you all remember who is qb coach was?

    Yep. Marc Trestman.

  • his*


    These guys have us taking Johnson.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Here's Johnson's sheet

    Great, another guy with slow feet. But those arms! Long enough for the Omlette reach-around test.

  • uhhhhh...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I can't un-live that, you jerk.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    you're welcome.

  • The Motor City has been repo'ed.

    Disclosure: I may have mentioned this, but I went this summer to Woodward Dream Cruise.

    Before that, I went to a Bears game at Ford Field.

    Whew. Man, it is BAD. Bad bad.

  • In reply to gpldan:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Now that shit be real.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It be RealityTV real. How real is that, again?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Its the worst. I grew up in rural Illinois. Downstate corn country.
    Detroit was the first "city" I had been to and ended up going to college there. I had no clue why anybody, anywhere, would ever want to live in a city. Oddly enough, it was Baltimore that opened my eyes. I went there forThe Preakness and spent some time in the inner harbor area. I've since been to Vegas, Chicago, LA . . . . . . . Lots of places. The difference between Detroit and any major city I've ever been to since is immeasurable.

  • Bart Scott got dumped. Along w. three other Jet vets.

    Jets are cleaning house. Fo' real, dawg.

  • In reply to gpldan:

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Worst part is, they can't dump who they really want to because of the massive cap hit.


    At this point, Bart Scott is probably dancing in the streets being released by that clown car that is the Jets.

    "Can't wait."

  • Exactly 4ever85.


    No oline? nice call buddy.

  • Alright... the deal on the video? Jerry Rice.

  • MB and Doc. Interesting twist last week. I coach my daughter's 5th grade basketball team. I run a drill I call "Hamburger" which is really just a rebounding drill where the girls have to fight for the ball until somebody clearly possesses it. I'm talking about thinking you have it and somebody that wants it more rips it out of your hands and wins. Gets pretty intense for 5th grade girls but they win more possessions than anybody else. So one of my true scrappers chases a ball to the end of the gym, gets tangled in a gym bag and shoved. Her head smacks into the concrete block wall and gym floor. Literally knocked her out. It was almost 24 hours before she got her wits about her. Confused, no memory, CT scan, hospital stay. The whole show. This shit can happen anywhere. This is just another endorsement of what we've already talked about. I just found it strange that after all the worrying and hand wringing over my son and football, it's his little sis's friend that gets thumped playing basketball. Gotta live your life and the consequences be damned. Never know what's gonna happen.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    True, but some activities are inherently more dangerous than others. I like hiking, and I do it in the mountains. Sometimes, the paths are a bit dangerous - I know this and do it anyway.

    But that is different than free-climbing rock faces. I'm simply not going to do that.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't know about that; hiking can be a very dangerous activity, especially if you are arrogant about it. It's just dangerous in a different way.
    Dying of hypothermia makes you just as dead as dying from a 30 foot fall onto a boulder.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You're right of course. I *do* respect the trails and the weather. And I never go alone.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    But if you do go alone, make sure and bring a dull pocket knife.

  • Hahahaha,
    You guys should give "Deep Survival" a read. Picked it up last weekend; great book.
    Tao, brain structure, and people doing really stupid shit in dangerous environments...alot to learn from it.

  • Brandon Marshall was on twitter last night and had some cool things to say..

    “@MStevenson91: @BMarshall if there's one free agent you want to sign this offseason who is it?” @nickroach

    “@Ryno1675: @BMarshall will u an Alston b the best 1-2 we combo.n the NFL this yr?” One of our goals. Working towards it.

    “@OG_AngieD: @BMarshall you think jay can be a top ten qb at next seasons end?” He already is. Goal is number 1.

    “@chicagochris23: @BMarshall Are you gonna retire w/ Chicago?” Thats the plan. Lets start a movement

    “@ErikGrogan: Do you believe Jeffery could have a better year than you next season? @BMarshall” He can.

    “@Babaluchi3: @BMarshall good hows hip?” Get off the crutches next week.

  • Last preseason, Bmarshall also predicted Hester would have a better year than him, so I'll take his assessments with a grain of salt, though I do like his optimism.


    Fridgid Tosspots. ha!

  • Extraordinary stuff when you look back. The Bills' missing ring. Whopping the Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Champs game. Coming back from 31-3 against the Oilers. And your first superbowl .... last minute drive down the field, spike the ball, well done Jim .. .gatorade ... get your Disneyland line ready ... oh fuck.

    Darryl Talley was two or three games away from being considered top five all-time linebacker ... instead, most would screw their face up if they heard his name. Brought the hammer, played the pass. 12 years and never missed a game. Complete tool but what a talent.

  • I loved Talley's hair.

  • I just want to say thank you to the Blackhawks for helping to make this offseason bearable. I can make it through, I can make it to the draft!!!!. Once the draft is here then the summer is right around the corner. Free Agency, OTA's Mini Camp, Training camp, preseason, season, post season, super bowl parade. Done.

    If I never watch another baseball game for the rest of my life I'll be a happy man.

  • I know what you mean about baseball. Weird, as a kid, I couldn't get enough of it Watch it, play it, research it. Used to fall asleep with a transistor radio under my pillow, listening to Bob Elson doing the play by play for the White Sox night games. I also had a big, thick hardcover baseball statistics book that covered everyone from the late nineteenth century to the present. I'd sit at the kitchen table with a big bowl of Captain Crunch and just soak in all the stats. Sometime around my late teens, my interest in it started to really wane. Nowadays, I'd almost rather scoop litter boxes than watch a game. Well, that might be a bit of an exaggeration but I'm pretty sure I'd find watching bowling or golf more interesting..

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I loved playing, love watching it live on a beautiful day if our teams are doing well but can't watch it to save my life and certainly hate when they talk about it on the radio.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Man, THAT takes me back, Tobi. Waaay back.I used to pitch rubber balls against the front steps, pretending to be Gary Peters or Joel Horlen or "Little Looie" Aparicio while listening to Bob "The Commander" Elson (Hall Of Fame announcer, BTW) do Sox radio play-by-play on WCFL, "The Voice of Labor in Chicago". I STILL have my First Edition BASEBALL ENCYCLOPLEDIA. Went thru a TON of 9 volt batteries falling asleep with the small transistor radio under the pillow or plugged into the earphone listening to Sox Games when they played the Angels in L.A. I'd listen to the Cubs on WGN with Vince Lloyd & Lou Boudreau when they played the Dodgers or the Giants too. No baseball? Then it's Rock & Roll with Art Roberts or Dick Biondi on WLS, "Home of the Silver Dollar Survey".

    Imagine the Anita Kerr Singers if you will...
    "The loop....(music)
    Lakeshore drive....(music)
    .North Side, West Side, South Side in Chicago its....(silence)
    DOUBLE-U.... ELLE...ESSS....

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Baseball was #1 for me whan I was a kid, too but, like you, I slowly drifted away and they really lost me as a serious fan when they pissed away the end of '94 season and post-season with the Black Jack McDowell / Frank Thomas / Robin Ventura White Sox leading their division.

  • Screw Vancouver. Marion Hossa scores 2 goals and some Canuck goon lays him out with a forearm to the back of the head. Then says he didn't see that he dd anything the league should call him on the carpet for.

    When is the NHL going wise up and get the goons and fights out of hockey? The last winter olympics proved neither is necessary to a good hockey game and yet the NHL allows dime-a-dozen enforcers to put their best players on the shelf or, worse, shorten their careers.

    The guy who cheap-shotted Hossa last night should be allowed to play again 10 or 20 games AFTER Hossa returns to the ice.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Ooooh. The NHL fined Jannick Hansen and suspended him ONE WHOLE game for clubbing Marian Hossa to the back of the head with a forearm last night.


    No medal?

    Clowns CONTINUE to run the NHL.

    I looked it up.

    As I suspected, "Jannick" is Swedish for JAGOFF.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I was really disappointed that Hossa got hurt again. Another cheap shot that will impact the season and his career. He was on fire this year.

    Total BS.

  • and dudes score 3s?????

  • combine this week?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    check #12... hee hee

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and vernon davis is a fucking freak of nature (#21). Man I wish we had him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So you are saying you have VD in your veins?

  • In reply to gpldan:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    How come I get the Pawn shop slapdown when I break the BR rule, but nobody else does?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hee hee

  • Is Clowney gonna sit out for the Cocks?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If you omit "the" before "Cocks" that sentence would read entirely differently.

  • working from home the rest of the day and turned on the TV during a break.

    Jane's fucking Addiction Live showing on Palladum. Original members... Farrell, Navarro, Perkins, Avery.

    Wow. One of my favorite bands of all time. Just insane.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Nerd Alert, fuck jyeah:

  • In reply to Shady:

    Looks aweeesomeeeeee

  • In reply to Shady:

    yeah, saw that earlier... I just need to figure out my multiplayer fix situation. Go back to the future, or look ahead.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jigga what?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Which game you gonna get? I'm checking out Operation Flashpoint tonight.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    sounded like a blast from your text. Ha!

    It's either get another old copy of MW3 or move on to BO2. What you think Rabbit?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, you can pick up a used copy of MW3 for $20 at Gamestop.

    I'm willing to roll with BO2 whenever you are, maing.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Take that Best Buy gift card your relative you don't really like got you for your last birthday and just buy it already.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Great band. I remember being about 15 riding my mountain bike in Colorado over a mountain pass with the mountain song stuck in my head. My speed got a little out of hand. In order to avoid being pulled toward the left side of the trail where there was a steep hill for several hundred feet, I over compensated and went into the ditch on my right, bike started bouncing and over the handle bars I went. No actual helmet but my natural 15 year old skull helmet.

    Made me the man I am today(kidding). Actually I was ok, lucky though cuz my handlebars were tweaked pretty good.

    Point is, music makes everything better, even if it's just stuck in your head. Especially Juana's Addiccion.

    Just thought I'd share. Happy '13 offseason everybody.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    Crazy... When I was growing up, every time I was just about to steal a candy bar or condom, that damn song "Been Caught Stealin'" was in my head... I always paid.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Finally, we agree on music! I saw Jane's on Halloween in 2002 I think. Really awesome live performance. Tight, energetic, loud. A bit predictable, but very good.

  • Dang, that's one of the few bands I didn't get to see in the 90s. Always wanted to see Jane's Addiction. I think I saw him on some reality tv show not too long ago and he still looks pretty good.

  • We agree on a lot actually my good doctor. I always loved the jams you used to play while we were shootin it up. I just don't really own any of that music myself (but you and I will ALWAYS differ on neil young... yeeeeeuuuck!)

    They were my favorite band in high school and that album cover from Nothing's Shocking ( is seared into my brain as a symbol of my time in HS. Amazing... I always contend, and have gotten into many heated arguments with many people, that Juanas was actually the start of the grunge movement, not nirvana.

    Anyway, I saw a show in the early 2000’s, in LA I think and it was crazy. I was in a very altered state, but there were naked girls dressed in VERY freaky outfits dancing in cages suspended high above the stage on either side. Navaro had leather assless chaps on and did something with a dildo on stage that scarred me to this day. But the show was insane… in… sane! I think this is when avery wouldn’t come back and flea (or someone else) was standing in for him. Still wish I had been able to go to the 2 or 3 shows I was invited to back in HS (damn you mom and dad!).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, the shootin it up reference had nothing to do with drugs... but rather video games. I'm such a nerd.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Had to laugh about the heated arguments. Took me way back. Arguing over the best bands, best guitarist, etc. At some point you realize it's all subjective and some band may be your fave, or guitarist might be your fave but there really isn't a best. Nothing like being young, passionate and convinced you're right!

  • For all you old school announcer guys...

  • Reportedly, Bo Jackson at 6'1 244 was clocked at 4.1 in the 40.

    Take that to the combine.

  • The DEION SANDCASTLE spot on the 4-letter IS pretty entertaining.

  • insane.


    Tragic and....really, really, really gross.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Well isn't THAT special. Glass of tap water, anyone?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    From the linked article:
    "The water did have a funny taste," Sabrina Baugh told CNN on Wednesday. She and her husband used the water for eight days.

    "We never thought anything of it," the British woman said. "We thought it was just the way it was here..."

    "The shower was awful," she said. "When you turned the tap on, the water was coming black first for two seconds..."

    It's like Monty Python.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I was JUST about to c/p that exact exerpt bs.

    How fucking nasty is that. holy shit. Funny taste, FUNNY??!?! You mean kinda like rotting dead person?

    I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

  • It's quiet in here this morning... A little TOO quiet...

    Bang? Bang?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Bang! Bang!

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