Falcons Failures Have Let Packers Off the Hook

Falcons Failures Have Let Packers Off the Hook


If the Falcons were to go 16-0 over the course of the 2013 regular season do you honestly believe Vegas would make them more than a three or three and a half point favorite against ANY opponent? And Vegas aside, would you enter that contest with any confidence in the Mike Smith/Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons?

In the 2010-11 playoffs, the 13-3 blackbirds lost their first playoff game to the Green Bay Packers at home 48-21.

In the 2011-12 playoffs, the Falcons lost their playoff game to the New York Giants 24-2 in one of the more pathetic displays of playoffs past.

This postseason the Falcons survived blowing a 20-point first half lead to the Seattle Seahawks with a heroic half-minute field goal charge that many believed would alter the organization's modern history. It did not. A week later Atlanta blew another first half lead - this one 17 points - to the San Francisco 49ers. No magic wand this time. No lucky lotto ticket. The #1 seed in the conference exited the NFC playoffs having blown 37 points in first half leads.

The Falcons are setting a new standard for playoff futility. But there's another team starting to creep up on them slowly. Who, you ask? I think you know.

Think about the Green Bay Packers for a minute. They won the Super Bowl in February 2011. They went 15-1 the following regular season and were runaway favorites to win the Super Bowl. The Aaron Rodgers bandwagon had reached a tipping point as comparisons to Joe Montana (not Joe Montegna) were rolling  and folks were starting to throw the "dynasty" word around on the national football broadcasts. There was no reason to move the Lombardi Trophy from Title Town. It would stay home for the next few years.

Then Eli Manning and the New York Giants walked into Lambeau Field, manhandled the Packers 37-20 and went on to win another Super Bowl for Big Blue. Clay Matthews claimed the Packers beat themselves. Local media blamed the lengthy layoff for the seemingly stale offensive output. The performance was written off as the exception, not the rule.

The Packers entered the 2012 season, once again, as one of a handful of favorites to win the Super Bowl. They won the NFC North division after a slow start behind the soon-to-fade Chicago Bears. But when faced with a win-and-bye scenario in Week 17 they failed to tackle Adrian Peterson once, a single time, EVER and were forced to play on wild card weekend.

Did that matter? No and yes. No because Joe Webb showed up at Lambeau on Saturday night and was grotesquely unprofessional. Yes because it meant the Packers would need to travel to San Francisco the following weekend and be manhandled in the postseason for the second consecutive season.

The Packers are 0-2 in the postseason against teams not quarterbacked by Joe Webb since winning the Super Bowl. They've lost those two games by an average 15.5 points.

I understand a response to this with, "Well he's a Bears blogger. Of course he is spinning this negative!" I'd respond with words from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn:

A week ago, Jim Harbaugh called the Green Bay Packers the best team in the National Football League over the last number of years.

"They play tremendous as a team and they have guys step up when others are injured," the 49ers' second-year coach said before the San Francisco-Green Bay divisional playoff game. "They have great coaching . . . they have great talent.

"They do the things that all teams aspire to be. Which is not just consistent, but consistently good."

Three days later, the Packers showed their consistency in another area. They're a soft football team, and in a sport that forever favors the tough, soft is a very, very bad thing to be.

The Packers' season ended just as it started, in a convincing defeat handed down by an opponent that is physically superior.

What general manager Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy do about it will determine if this team is to go down as "just another fart in the wind," as the 1990s one-and-done title team was characterized by GM Ron Wolf, or wins another championship.

And that same newspaper has not only called into question the physicality of the club. Rob Reischel called into question the leadership of the star quarterback:

Aaron Rodgers, one of the leaders of the Green Bay Packers, sat alone at his locker, staring aimlessly around the room. Rodgers was asked if he'd talk about the season that just ended.

"Nope," Rodgers said.

Instead, Rodgers began eavesdropping on an interview linebacker Desmond Bishop was conducting.

After each question, Rodgers made a snide remark about the queries loud enough for anyone within earshot to hear.

"I can't believe they'd ask that," Rodgers said.

"Nice question," he said another time.

Finally, doing his best Drew Rosenhaus, Rodgers bellowed, "Next question."

Instead of preparing for the NFC Championship Game, Rodgers was now critiquing reporters.

It's this type of leadership that had some taking shots at the 2011 most valuable player this season.

One can argue the pressure has been relieved from the Atlanta Falcons heading into the 2013 season. Nobody will care one way or another what the team does unless they find themselves playing in the last game of the season in New Jersey.

The pressure on the Green Bay Packers is just beginning to mount and 2013 may be the fork in their championship road.



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  • Uno.

  • Malnatti's.

  • In reply to gpldan:



  • Now , now, Blogfather.

    A-Rod and Tom "Sorry I tried to kick you in the gonads, Ed Reed" Brady are just firece competitors.

    Not a sore loser like that Jay Cutler.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    i hate saying stuff like this but what if Jay had done that? Just think for a moment what a fucking shitstorm that would have been.

    Imagine if Jay refused to answer a question from a reporter about the season like Rodgers did. Holy crap they'd treat him like a child molesting serial killer....like they do now.

  • Brady got 10k for kicking another man like he was breaking up a double play and Cutler tossed a ball and got 7500.00 ......

  • Yeah but that's not as funny as the comparison between Brady's fine and Frank Gore's "This really SOCKS!" fine.

  • +1

  • I thought the loss to the 49ers had cleared out the Packer Trolls here.

    Now I have to figure they have all just been busy threatening to kill Bob McGinn or bomb the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal.

  • Aaron Rodgers is a Dbag. The prosecution rests.

    And isnt this how we all fee at times... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs2_OMnkcxE

  • Hub Arkush stated that he unequivocally felt that the Packers threw the final game against the Vikes, knowing that there was little value in being the 2 seed, preferring instead to replay a team they knew they could beat at home, giving the team a home playoff win. That the season would be considered "ok" if they delivered a home field win, and they knew they could do that against the Vikes.

    That seems a stretch to me, as it meant going into SF knowing they would get pounded.

    Little Dommy Capers isn't going anywhere as long as the Pack run the 3-4, but it begs the question: is the 3-4 a good idea in the NFC? Any team with a power OL is going to smash that D into bits with the personnel that they have running it. To make the 3-4 work in the playoffs now, you gotta have total beast-men as your 3 down lineman, a dominating NT. Hard to come by against an elite OL like the Niners.

    I also thought Woodson played washed up.

    Rodgers, by all accounts, is incredibly thin-skinned. Driven, but just as pouty as Cutler. Maybe less stoic than Cutler. Cutler grits his teeth through poundings that would make Rodgers cry.

    I think the Pack give Capers and the 3-4 one more year. If they suck against the run again - it's out with it and back to 4-3 football.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Facing the Skins, 9ers, Hawks is going to present a problem for our 4-3 cover 2 as well.

    While our scheme can contain mobile QBs, it's predicated on speed not strength, which can get dominated by power running games, like the Skins, 9ers and Hawks have.

    A stud MLB for us can go a long way - fast enough to chase down QBs, and strong enough to shed blocks and tackle Morrison, Lynch, Gore.

    McClellin? At the very least Shea can play that 4-3 spy DE to stymie the read option. He seems pretty instinctive and athletic.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    "...threw the game." ??

    CHILL, Hub.

    That kind of conspiracy just doesn't hold water when you consider that more than FIFTY people are in on it which instanly makes it an UNKEEPABLE secret. Plus, you can't tell me that teams still don't COVET that week off.

    As for Rodgers, whatever else you think of him, GP (and there appear to be some cracks appearing in the heretofore immaculate facade) I don't see "Cutler grits his teeth through poundings that would make Rodgers cry." as a fair assessment considering Rodgers IS one of the few QB who's been actually been sacked MORE OFTEN than Cutler recently.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    And when Rodgers DOES get pounded on, he throws fits. He yells at team mates. He doesn't want to speak to the media.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I truly believe that Rodgers, Brees and Cutler are the only QB's that could have kept the ship here in Chicago mildly afloat over the last couple of years. Not because Cutler is as good as Brees or Rodgers but because they have similar athleticism and toughness.

    Rodgers acts like a pussy but I respect his toughness and skill. Rodgers acts consistently like Cutler did when the media was attacking him from all sides in late 2009 and 2010 with maybe a little more cleverly hidden disdain and attitude.

    Think about it like this. Cutler is the QB we needed during the last couple of years to make the transition from a team on the brink of consistency to a team that must...and will address the deficiences in order to become relevant year in and year out. Now it's time to cash in on moves that took 10 years to make. 20 if you count the 90's and take out '94.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    But that's OK.

    Unless your name is Cutler.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Does anyone take Arkush seriously? This is the guy who had it from the highest sources inside Halas hall (a couple of seasons back) that Cowher would be the next HC. Now he's seriously suggesting that the Fudgers threw a professional football game? A game which gives them a week off if they win it?

    A hack, like 99% of them. Sports journalism is dead. Remember when guys wrote literary English in talking about their passion? Looking at the texting generation, we now live in a post-literate society.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Do you have a link to Hub saying that? Doesn't sound like something Hub would say. I call bullshit.

  • Well, Hub did predict that the Chiefs would win the SB at the start of the season...so sometimes even he goes off the deep end.

  • Can you pull shows from the Score? I listen to the Score on my iphone via TuneIn, so I don't know if transcripts of the shows exist anywhere.

    I will try and find something to validate that is what he said.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I emailed boersandbernstein@670thescore.com and asked how I can get show transcripts.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    On The Score over the internet they have podcasts archived, and I think they even have a Hub section, though I'm not sure if it's catalogued by date or not.

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    Where is the link to archived podcasts?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Try here


    Not sure how far back they go.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Just go to the Score main page, and you'll see links for shows and audio a little ways down on the right side of the page. You can listen to podcasts of all the Boers, Mully, and Mac shows. Most have descriptions of the hour (guests, topics), which is nice. And it's commercial free.


  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Here's a quicker link for you gp. I see two shows from Tuesday with Hub as the guest.


  • He said it on The Score, 2009. Link to the podcast is here :


    Gruden, Ron Rivera, Cowher - he likes to start rumors.

  • So whats the word on Urlacher? Staying or leaving?

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    I think it all depends on how much Lach is asking for. Hopefully he learned a thing or two from the way Olin went out.

    However, the few time the media asked Trestman and Emery about Lach, they sort of just changed the subject, which is not a good sign (unless they're just playing the financial game).

    The irony... if Lovie didn't play Lach in that meaningless Viking's game, Lach may have been the difference in one of those close losses this season, thus actually saving Lovie's job...

    That's what you call good ole Karma...

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    I think they beat the Seahawks this year comfortably with the 2011 version of Urlacher. I still cannot fucking believe he played him in that Vikings finale the year before. Another great reason Lovie's unemployed.

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    Here is the BearDownBlog's take on the MLB position.


  • In reply to EnderWiggin:


    Like I said for the last 3-4 games. I was HEAVILY impressed with the growth Roach showed this year. He was pretty much a fucking beast. I was really really impressed.

    Yes, I am being serious. I would be ok with him starting in the middle IFF lach is gone and/or still only at 75%, and/or we don't FA or draft a day-1 starter.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I concur.

  • In reply to Fresno,Ca Bear Fan:

    Glad somebody brought this up - I don't think folks realise that we've probably seen the last of Brian ... and when you need a premier left tackle and a center, it's kind of focal to the draft, cos I don't buy Nick Roach as the Mike in the Bears defense. For starters, who's the guy beside him not named Briggs?

    Brian can't operate at 100% anymore and he knows it. That, or the 100% he has now is about 80% of what it used to be and he's a professional and he won't accept any less.

    He may feel though, that playing another year at 90% until they find a guy in the meantime, warrants some loyalty and he'll give it a go. Maybe Lovie shipping out sealed it for him. He doesn't need the money.

  • I hadn't heard Hub say that, but I suspect he didnt' mean it in the literal sense of intentionally losing. I think he may have meant the Packers didn't see it as a big deal if they lost and so they weren't as tough mentally as they would be if it were a playoff game.

    I think the sting of one and done after almost going 16-0 also had them mentally questioning whether a bye was a good thing or not.

    Rodgers is a punk in disguise. His true character came out several times this year - sounds like a spoiled kid who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas again.

    Easy to be a great and gracious guy when you're winning. True character comes out during losing. (Which I think is something Da Caoch has said.)

  • In reply to BillW:

    Pretty hard to read it that way. He said something like "and I think we all know that the Packers had no intention of trying to win that final game, preferring to play them again"

    Again, I'm working on finding the podcast or transcript. Because I agree with him, I watched that game and I think the Packers folded on that final game on purpose.

  • *Coach

  • Does anyone else here think Jeff wrote this and laid it out like a piece of cheese to lure the vermin Packer trolls from their danky crevices?

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    You KNEW that would bring them back. He even responds to one. Ew.

  • fuck the packers and fuck that douche rodgers. their 15 minutes is up. Take all the terrible commercials down and let's start forgetting about them please. stick a fork in em.

    btw, want to see how idiotic the NFL is? Frank Gore was fined more for his socks than Brady for trying to kick/injure ed reed on a slide.


  • I could totally jump on board with this and I would love to ridicule the Packers (Actually, I'll just go ahead and do it anyways) but we all know why the Packers and Falcons similarites are not similar in the sense one accomplished what it already set out to do.

    Win a Championship. Win a Superbowl.

    I don't why but after you win a Superbowl. The pressure comes off a team and certain players. The pressure left Manning, Rodgers, and Eli after they each won their respective Superbowls.

    If the Ravens win the same will happen to Flacco.

    So... as much as I want to make fun of the Packers for their failures the past three years, I can't. They have that one win and Superbowl ring over the Bears.

  • Not to mention that they've beat us like 7 times in a row, including an NFC Championship at our house.

    What's that say about us?

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    lovie and his merry band of idiots sucked?

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    Precisely. Back in the Eighties, the Packers and the Lions were four Ws a season and that's all they were to us. Then the worm turned. Until we start to clean their clock about four in a row then we can't really puff our chests out. Right now we're the mid-Eighties Packers with a better defense.

  • stop being so logical, it's ridiculous.

  • Interesting OT developments...


    "Impending free agent LT Branden Albert says the thought of him moving inside to guard is "ludicrous."
    "I'm not a guard. Point blank," said Albert. "I haven't played guard since college. It kind of upsets me a lot. I'll be the first one to tell you. Sometimes it bothers me." Albert is dead-set on getting left tackle money on the open market. He added that he has yet to talk to Andy Reid or new GM John Dorsey, but says his agent and Dorsey have talked. The Chiefs could conceivably let Albert walk and draft a left tackle with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft."


    "A source tells the Miami Herald the Dolphins made a "low-ball attempt" to lock-up impending free agent LT Jake Long during the season.
    The Dolphins have sent mixed signals on the former No. 1 pick, but it's clear they're not going to sign him to a deal his pre-injury reputation would have commanded. That could be a problem, as a team source tells the Herald Long "likes the idea of being the best at what he does and one way he proves to everyone that he is is by being the highest paid at what he does." According to the source, there's a "considerable amount of professional ego." With neither side sounding willing to negotiate on the other's terms, it's looking more likely Long will walk. "


    On the draft tip, Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson are impressing scouts (Joeckel will be long gone).


    Other more off the radar OTs who might be had in the later rounds.

    "13. Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas Pine-Bluff (6050, 304 and 5.10): Armstead was impressive in Shrine game practices last week and was a late addition to the South roster today. He continued his strong pre-draft performance today; as he displayed light feet during individual drills and looked natural sliding out to the edge in pass protection. His quick first step and fluid footwork allowed him cut off speed rushers, and he was able to lock out with his hands and use his length to protect his frame."


    "8. Jordan Mills, OT, Louisiana Tech (6060, 322 and 5.25): Mills was a late addition to the South roster and made an immediate impact in one-on-one drills by stymying Ezekiel Ansah on back-to-back reps. He’s a mountain of a man that has the power to match, as he was able to consistently anchor at the LOS against bull rushers today. For such a big man he moves well on his feet and shows the competitive streak NFL teams covet."


    Justin Pugh and Fluker (6'6 355! Damn) are more right tackles, but they seem to also be impressing.

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    I would think the Dolphins would QUITE averse to letting Mr. Long follow Mr. Marshall to Chicago after the season Brandon had.

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    Question : Do you say goodbye to Julius Peppers so you can get Jake Long?

  • LOL

    The packers have 13 championships, and won the superbowl two years ago. They've also won back - to - back division titles. 3 of the last 4 playoff games they lost were to the eventual super bowl champions (if SF wins). News Flash: they've not gonna win the super bowl every year. They had a pretty successful year, considering they led the league in injuries and had a game taken from them that pretty much everyone accepts that they deserved....a game that would have given them a bye in the playoffs, and home field advantage against the 49ers. Not to say that they would have won that game, but giving them an extra week of preparation and taking a week away from harbaugh is not insignificant.

    This is a hack piece, Jeff. Have you finally thrown in the towel on the Cutler redemption narrative that you've been buttering up for the last 3 years? Has he finally let you down for the last time?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    It's like saying the patriots suck because they haven't won the super bowl in 9 years. Disregarding the fact that they've had two super bowl appearances and several playoff wins since. It's just ignorant. Ignorant of what the odds are of winning a championship; ignorant of how much luck is involved even when you have the best team.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I am tired of hearing the "We lost to the eventual Superbowl champs!"

    It could be the fact that I am a sore loser but I hate hearing that.

    You lost. To who? Who cares? A loss is a loss and a win is a win.

    Period. End of story.

  • Plus, didn't the Bears lose to the eventual superbowl champs in 2010? I'm sure that's the exception though.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I'm inclined to agree with Cheese here. A little bit. I can't mention the Pack in the same breath as the Brady Pats though. They've won one with this team and deserve accolades because of it. But until they win two with this team, I think they've been way overblown.

    No doubt, Aaron Rodgers is one of the best QB's I've seen. Clay Mathews is a bad bad man. And they have several other legit stars. But the way the media and fans across the NFL treat them, it's as if they just came off the Lombardi era. They're a very good team with a great QB and one trophy. That's it, until I see otherwise.

    But did they throw the Minnesota game? No fucking way. I'm sorry, how do you tell a bunch of guys who compete for a living to go lay down against your rivals? And for what gain? Having to play an extra week? I'm sorry. There's no way this happened.

    As Wayne used to say, "shyeah, and monkey's might fly out of my butt...".

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    to bring up Cutler letting the team down is the sign of someone that doesn't know football or is deliberately being a fuck head. I thought you were better than that.

    Look at Cutlers record for this shit bears offense for the last 4 years and please explain how he has let anyone down as if this is a video game that can be won by 1 singular player.

    child please with your redemption narrative bullshit

  • I never said cutler let the bears down. I said Cutler let Jeff down. Read anything Jeff has written during the past few offseasons. He predicted Cutler to "be in the MVP discussion" during the season. He's constantly written about an upcoming game being Cutler's time to shine, to show all the critics that he's the player that his supporters believe he is. He openly lamented the missed opportunity to remember the seahawks game as "Cutler-to-Marshall" (i can't even stomach thinking about the post Jeff would have had up the following week had the Bears pulled it off).

    Jeff is a playwright, and he dramatizes accordingly. He's been fantasizing about the opportunity for Cutler to have even modest success so he can give Jay the Rick Reilly treatment and tickle his inner fanboy.

    Jeff hoped that the organization's pandering to Cutler (bringing in Bates and Marshall, and getting rid of Martz) would finally allow Cutler to succeed. Granted, the line play still sucked and that attributed to some of his struggles, but Jay is slowly running out of excuses, and I think Jeff is starting to come to terms with the fact that Cutler may never reach the heights that Jeff prayed he would

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Are you sure you are not talking about me?

    I had Cutler in the MVP discussion and Jeff had Marshall in that category. Unless I missed something.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I disagree with a lot of this, actually. I'm not disappointed in Jay Cutler at all. I think the offense, in general, has been a disaster outside the excellent of Brandon Marshall. But half of that excellence belongs to Cutler. It's not like Marshall catches jump balls.

    I was most disappointed in Smith/Tice inability to utilize the Bears best weapons in the passing game. And I think that's about to change. Think about the number of short passes/screens Rodgers throws. Cutler throws none.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I think I, more than most, understand EXACTLY what Cutler is.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I don't think there's anyone that has criticized cutler's play without also mentioning his lack of help. But I think you're lying to yourself if you say you weren't disappointed by Cutler this year. I think you implied as much in your recaps toward the end of the year.

    But for every disadvantage he has from his surrounding offensive talent, he makes up for in spades with the teammates he has on the defensive side of the ball. All year, they gave him short fields, momentum, time-of possession, and even scored themselves every other game. That sort of assistance is every bit as valuable as good protection and good pass catchers.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Don't know if Jeff is lying to himself, but I know I'd rather read optimism than cynicism all the time.

    I never thought that turnovers were a legit defensive core belief. Yes I'm aware they correlate more closely with wins than any other stat. Because what if you're playing an offense not prone to mistakes (think Rodgers). You'd need a D that can throw that team off balance, apply pressure, and disrupt timing. Pressure: the great equalizer of all QBs.

    The return of a healthy Melton, Trestman adding 4-5 points per game, a serviceable Urlacher, and a good pickup or 2 or 3 on O-line, and I like our chances. How's that for optimism.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    (Sheepishly steps up, cap in hand)
    We have more division titles.
    (crowd murmurs)
    We're jointly the oldest franchises in the NFL and should take pride in that..
    (Sporadic applause)
    We have more division titles.
    (someone coughs at the back of the room)

  • I thought some of you would find this funny/provoking.

    My CTO is a very intelligent and politically eductated indian national (but VERY americanized). (doooood). His name is rahul and he sent me this in response to a question I posed him about the election (warning: he doesn't find the need for actual punctuation or grammar):

    "1. So every once in a while you will run into people who have this standard multi point philosophy( some of them may identify as libertarians it’s hard to say )In essence it will be
    I) All regulations evil and bad and total examples of govt. overreach
    ii) You do not need the govt. to regulate anything , business regulate themselves , the FREE MARKET punishes bad behavior and you won’t have to worry anymore who needs the govt for god's sake

    and I always wonder, where do these people buy their medications from, when someone prescribes them meds . My guess is they go to buy meds from a place that is completely regulated by the FDA ( your local pharmacy ) thus ensuring that the pill they give their kid does roughly speaking exactly what your doctor expected

    Your true libertarian( TL from now on ) should of course scorn all such commercial outlets and buy all their meds from completely non regulated online pharmacies ( who don't even need a prescription )Let's look at all the advantages

    I) completely unregulated a libertarian wet dream no govt agency guaranteeing anything about the drug whatsoever , FREEDOM !!
    ii) very, very cheap thanks to lack of regulation ( free market win !!)
    iii) BUT most importantly say you buy your spouse a drug for blood pressure control and the damn thing kills him\her, you and I might be aghast at this but the TL knows this is totally awesome you see because now he can tell all his friends and yelp readers to TOTALLY AVOID the greater Latvian drug agency or some such thereby ensuring that they will go out of business . Even more amazing the greater Lithuanian drug co. will learn from this and make sure only to ship the correct medicine and dosage . SELF REGULATION !!. In fact your TL does not even consider the possibility of the drugs being tainted because you see the company selling them knows if they don't do the right thing why they would go out of business. I would bet anything that a TL has no fear narry a qualm or doubt when ordering vaccines for his infant from Istanbul drugs co.

    Stopping the comedy for a moment to me this is a simple issue , if you buy your meds from a pharmacy knowing full well at the back of your mind that the federal govt is the one giving you the faith and confidence to blithely pop that pill... you pretty much lose all intellectual credibility when you whine about regulations

    Which is a really long way of saying of course that the alternate spelling for libertarian is hypocrisy!"

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    On the other hand, since the FDA runs the drug racket in this country, it's either buy from them and hope for the best, or let your wife's heart beat right out of her chest.

    Not so black and white me thinks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think you're misinterpreting libertarian with anarchist.

  • In reply to Scharfinator:


  • In reply to Scharfinator:

    wasn't me boss... read the lead-in

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Touche - I knew you were sharing another view point, but figured you supported it since you found it worthy to share. I made the mistake of assuming.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or .. .you buy your meds on the internet, running the risk that it was concocted by some six year old indian boy for Sushil The Bad down behind the old market. You feed the random tablets to your beloved child in the hope that they kill the infection coursing through their little veins. This time you're lucky, it's only warfarin mix and their blood gets thinned out a little.


  • @PFF
    Meanwhile Jay Cutler only threw the ball away five times the entire year. Lowest of any guy to start more 10 games.

  • that would have been a great solution:

    since you can't run the ball worth a shit when it counts let's focus on throwing the ball away more...so we can lead the league in 3 and outs.

    Artoo, what's the fucking point of your post? How does that apply to a team with a guy that was 2nd in the league in Catch % meaning that almost 7 times out of 10 that the ball came his way he fucking caught it? Also look at how many fucking first downs Marshall got. Jesus.

    Throw it away? Tell me how many times we got sacked on 1st and 2nd down for a loss that resulted in 3rd and long and ultimately a punt and then i guess the spirit of your post is valid. Other than that it fucking means nothing.

  • also look at how many times he scrambled for first downs.....

    or how many times a potential first down conversion was dropped....

    Don't just post random shit that someone else probably posted as part of a criticism piece or some explanation why Cutler isn't as successrful as he should be because it is bullshit.

  • What that post meant to me was this..

    Cutler tries his best to make something out of nothing. I don't know what you thought I was trying to prove or say but I thought it was a decent statistic.

  • then say that or give any indication of why the comment/stat interests you instead of some bullshit one line post like we're on mini twitter.

    Leave the seemingly pointless and irrelevant posts to Lacan.

  • Sometimes my friend.. I can't. However, I expect you and others to fill in those blanks on your own and debate.

    Looks like that is exactly what happened.

    I like posting other people's thoughts and opinions on here that come from Twitter. Some of you miss out on that and I try to bring it on here.

  • Seriously, Joe?

    Artoo is stating what everybody who watches the NFL knows clear as day. Cutty would be better served to live to fight another down by throwing the ball away some. You know, as opposed to getting killed physically and losing 8 yards because of a sack or an interception that has no business being thrown. Artoo is right on. Jay needs to learn the art of the throw away.

  • Doctor, my point was that the stat by itself means nothing.

    Cheese takes it to mean Cutty's completion percentage sucks balls and would suck even worse compared to other qb's because they throw it away more...which makes no sense because Cutty's version of throw it away and trot off the field after a failed 3rd down is to try to make something happen. Usually it's the same result but sometimes it's greatness and sometimes it's a sack for a loss and sometimes it's a pick....

    Artoo thinks it means he's trying to do whatever it takes to win but I suspect it's a combo of your logic and his.

    I highly doubt you'd rather see him dump it off and trot off the field. I am willing to bet that most of Cutlers INT's were not because he held on to the ball too long at all. Anytime a QB can keep a play alive and give the team a chance to win is a good thing. Especially when your running back is playing hurt and your line can't block for shit and you get 2yds a carry and no one respects it.

    We love when Cutty makes it happen because you all know he does but at the same time you want him to just dump it in the stands and get fucking boo'd by these pieces of shit idiot fans? fuck that. I say keep it alive and just get a more coherent gameplan that has intelligent hot routes and short routes for the slot or RB.

  • Not a good thing.

  • In reply to BillW:

    BULL FUCKING SHIT BILL. Cite numbers and results and relate the two to each other instead of being lazy.


    Despite your internet rage, I do agree with you. We had a number of drops and Cutler scrambled well... except for keeping upright when LB's screamed in.

  • The disappointing part about that statistic is that his completion percentage was already low, and it's even lower (relative to other qb's) when you factor in throw-aways.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Cheese, if Cutler had McCarthy as his HC and playcaller you'd be at his house blowing him and changing diapers for little Camden.

    gotta love the offseason.

  • Sorry - don't have the time. I get on here as I'm waiting for results from long running analytic statistical queries I run as part of my job.

    I have an intuitive sense that
    1. Looking for one receiver too much - no matter HOW great he is - is a sign that the offense is bad overall
    2. There are many times when throwing it away is the smart thing for very good teams that trust they have a good chance of making the next play.

    So my "not a good thing" was NOT a knock on Cutler - it was another stat that illustrates to me Cutler for good reason) doesn't trust his other receivers or his OC to be able to come back the next play. So he takes chances that at times leads to what many would call bad decisions. Not a good thing.

  • Maybe I'll just say this in smaller words -
    That stat is an indictment of the OFFENSE as a whole - NOT Cutler.

    Just like Marshall's huge numbers are an indictment of the lack or reliable alternatives - NOT a criticism of Cutler and/or Marshall.

    That's intuitive to me and I'm sure many others.

    I tend to forget the audience here is of a level where "BULL FUCKING SHIT" passes for insightful commentary.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I get it and I agree with you...

  • In reply to BillW:

    Bill, i'll pull a page out of your book.

    I said BULL FUCKING SHIT which was a 3 word answer but what I meant to say was and if you had just intuitively figured it out was........

    ....blah blah blah blah 10-15 lines of actual analysis that also made some sense...

  • you bring value and I was assuming you were attacking...then you pulled your usual Bill and explained the shit out of your 4 word post with 3 paragraphs of insight rendering my post N/A.

  • wait a minute R2. What does the whole list look like? If I see a bunch of guys separated by a handful of balls I'm going to run into traffic. because that would be the most ridiculous stat of all time. As if 2 more passes thrown away would mean anything no matter what angle anyone was trying to use.

    Please provide the list.

  • R2 is correct when he says Cutler needs to learn to live another down not only for the team but for himself. The guy is all heart and balls in the midst of chaos that is (hopefully was) the Chicago Bears offensive line. It's a fucking meat grinder, what QB could survive after that kind of horrific experience?

    Look at Jason Campbell. He's a free agent. Do you think teams can properly evaluate him based on that kind of performance? You remember, the "ermegerd I'm playing QB for the Bears I'm going to try not to die" performance? It's been a joke for years now. Lovie's and Angel hair pasta's sick little joke. And Emery and Trestman are here to fix it. The question becomes, how long does it take?

    Next year is huge.

  • I missed one.

  • I couldn't tell until now. Am I wrong to assume that "Joe Anderson's dad" is Waffle?

  • Joe Anderson's dad's flesh cannon of Waffle.

  • If he is, I'm a fan. Or it could be a really hot, black chick (25 years old English Major), just trying to get to know me first. Yup.

  • Re Cheese -
    The Packers looked like they'd be the next big thing. A Super Bowl win after winning a large number of games in a row (incuding against the Bears) to jsut make the playoffs, and then they went all the way.

    Follow up to a near perfect season and the expectations of course were high. Follwed by two one and dones. (I know they beat the 'Queens in the WC round; doesn't really count.)

    So it's potential unfulfilled. All in all, the Packers were vastly overrated. A very good team no doubt. A perrenial contender. But a lot of teams won one Super Bowl. It doesn't set them apart.

    And Rodgers is showing his true colors from the frustration. But he will continue to excel - he has that toughness along with the ability.

    And mentionig that - I agree that we see Cutler's true toughness in being able to continue to WIN with the junk he's had to deal with. Again, my analogy of the team thowing pieces at the puzzle without a real plan to develop an offense. Jay was supposed to do that himself I guess. Just like Rex was and Kyle was and others.

    Here's the thing, Cheese and other Packer backers. You can't have it both ways. You can't criticize Cutler and praise Rodgers unless you think McCarthy and his offense are equivalent to Lovie and his.

  • In reply to BillW:

    By the way, to Joe's Dad, where in any of this do you think I'm anti-Cutler?

  • In reply to BillW:

    You're not anti Cutler. You're anti explaining your posts until I blow up and then you make solid points. Relying on me to intuitively figure out what you mean while i'm at work and have never met you is a tall order.

  • I swear this is me. I must wake up in the middle of the night and log in as Joe's Pa. Not that guy who was at that school where that other guy used to wake up in the middle of a kid.


  • You can't criticize Cutler's interceptions/not throwing the ball away and praise him for making the crazy/in-traffic completions. They're linked.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    Jeff - read my clarifications above. I'm criticizing Lovie/Tice/Matz/Angelo/ etc. for not putting together a real offense - and forcing their very talented QB to take too many chances.

    By the way - another point on this is the types of hits he takes instead of throwing the ball away. One or two more bell ringers and he may be done.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    I agree with the INT's vs completions but not throwaways. How many times has he run out room or knows he can't get back to the LOS and he takes the sack. That's just dumb.

  • In reply to Jeff Hughes:

    We're not really praising him for 80 QB ratings and weak offenses that can't get first downs and only get 1.8 yards when we do get them. We like him because he doesn't suck, he runs the ball sometimes and has a big arm ... he has diabetes and pats kids on the head.

    We had Matt Forte, Michael Bush, Beastmode ... and we got 1.8 yards on first down. "whose fault is that?' is a many splendored thing. I know it's not fair to make a Jimmy-Mac-that-was-the-eighties comparison .... that team had an offensive line ..... but if a certain punky QB didn't like the play then he changed it - and that's with a firecracker like Ditka on the sideline who was going to get in your grill about changing plays as soon as you got off the field. If you didn't like the play Jay, where does the buck stop. Is Mike Tice out their with his cock in his hand? No, you are. You call the plays smartboy. Joe Cool did it. Jim when it so pleased him. Jim Kelly. Drew Brees. Peyton Manning. When do you step up and say "I'm the boss. I'm the general, follow me."

  • out there - shazbat!

  • Sorry if this has been posted (haven't read all the comments)

    Cedric Benson having difficulty adjusting to rural Wisconsin lifestyle:


  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Sounds legit. Let your rottweilers run loose and attack 20 calves, and later let them run loose around the neighborhood. Nothing bad could come from that.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Common sense running rampant. I would love to see the logic flow chart on some of the off-field decisions NFL players like this make...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Here ya go tobi - ________^__________^_______________________________

    Both blips can arguably credited to his agent.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    That's about right. If their logic test flat lines, then the NFL should provide the player a life coach. Available 24/7 to answer any inquiry. It might go something like this:

    "Uh, yeah (insert player name here), I can see why you might think using the microwave would be the quickest way to dry your girlfriend's Shih-tzu but could I suggest something else instead?"

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    ASCII art!!! nice!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You're on fire tonight. Great stuff.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    NFL : Pros and Cons. great read. More of a list of police records really. Dennis Green getting away with rape. Warren Moon wrapping a phone cord around his wife's neck. One in five players are charged with a serious crime. The operative word there is 'serious'. Not misdemeanours, or things they were just let off with. Serious crimes. there are a lot of dirtbags in the NFL. There are a lot of dirtbags in any walk of life though,. And so it goes.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He is such an asshole. I always smile a little when I hear he's stepping in it again. Remember when he finally came to camp for the Bears and assumed he would replace TJ by week one? If he had half the ambition Thomas Jones had, we would still be talking about how awesome he is and that Forte isn't a bad backup. What a waste of natural ability.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I'm not sure about him relegating Forte to #2 but he is one of my all-time least favorite Bear's player. I really try not to wish bad stuff on people because it's bad juju but I will make an exception for Cedrunk.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I really like Forte but Benson seemed stronger and faster in his cuts to me than Forte. I guess he wasn't the pass catching back 22 is. His college film was crazy and the game he played against the Bears as a Bengal was amazing. I think he had more natural ability than 22. He was just a complete tool.

  • @ZachZaidman
    Bears reached an agreement with Pat Meyer, making him their assistant offensive line coach.

  • 2012 - Pat Meyer is in his first season as the Offensive Line Coach for the Montreal Alouettes. Meyer joins the Alouettes after spending the last four seasons with the Colorado State Rams. Most recently, he served as the Rams’ Offensive Coordinator in 2010 and 2011 and as their Offensive Line Coach from 2008 to 2011.

    Prior to his stint with Colorado State, the Youngstown, OH native worked with the Florida State Seminoles football’s program as a strength coach in 2007.

    Meyer, 40, also spent seven years in the North Carolina State athletic department. After four seasons from 2000 to 2003 as the football team's head strength and conditioning coach, Meyer was named head of the entire athletic department's strength programs, a role he held from 2004 to 2006.

    Meyer helped to condition and train five first-round NFL draft choices, including Mario Williams (2006), Philip Rivers (2004), Manny Lawson (2006), Koren Robinson (2001), and John McCargo (2006).

    Meyer launched his coaching career at the University of Memphis, where he spent one season as a graduate assistant in 1997. Shortly after, he worked in the Tigers' strength and conditioning department, including five months as the director, from January to May of 2000.

    As a player, Meyer was an offensive linemen at Colorado State for four seasons from 1991 to 1994. That same year, he helped the Rams to a Holiday Bowl berth against Michigan.

    Once his collegiate career was over, he was signed by the NFL's Arizona Cardinals in the spring of 1995. His career as a player also landed him in the Arena Football League, where he suited up for the Saint Louis Stampede during the 1996 season.

    Meyer and his wife, Erin, have three daughters, Christina, Emma and Sophia. He earned his bachelor's degree in exercise and sports science from CSU in 1995.


  • In reply to Shady:

    how do the daughters look?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We'll have to ask Monsieur Buttsteak or that creep Mayor of Chicago Meow.

  • In reply to Shady:


  • In reply to MB30SD:



  • In reply to Shady:

    meow indeed! they are so cute man.

  • In reply to Shady:

    This is why we need cheerleaders - to keep the perverts off our coaches daughters. Also because Chloe is a cheerleader.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    After you cut me off at the knees last night Crunch, going forward, I'm officially abstaining from commenting on young girl threads. Instead, I'll be spending that time in therapy...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    You worry too much Tobi. I say play the thing full boat. Gotta be comfy in your own skin. Now if you only had that full length Coyote skin coat. . . . . . .

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Oh God, don't bring that up. I've already gotten slammed for having a dated glam rock hairdo, a Corvette that screams stereotypical midlife crisis and what I thought was a pretty funny vanity plate. Now he's really gonna let me have it...

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I think the coyote-skin coat would really pull it all together.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    That plus the fire hose bag, you'd be a babe magnet.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Yeah, I'm a catch alright. And then there was the time after pulling an all-nighter, my friend doing donuts in the parking lot of his parents' country club in his old man's Lincoln Continental with me leaning out the the window with my underpants on my head screaming "Party! Party!" Girls just love that stuff...

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Don't be ashamed, you're at Da Bears Blog. You were much closer to getting a girl at that country club with underpants on your head.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    That's what I'm saying Crunch. Whatever you're sellin, you gotta SELL it. Work the whole thing Tobi. Mix in the Coyote fur coat and nobody could possibly have the audacity to doubt you. Own it. I'm telling you man, it works.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Young girl threads is therapy.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    ...depending on your definition of "young."

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Tobi, this is in reply to your donut story. Me and a buddy got in trouble several times for doing donuts in his old AMC Matador. One night we had an APB out on us, which we found out about later. My buddy's Mom luckily grew up with the police chief, so nothing ever came of it. Another time was not so smart. We did shit loads of donuts in my parents front yard, laughing our asses off the whole time. My parents had a big yard (about 2 acres) and the front had a nice gradual slope, so we just kept spinning around, sliding down hill. Ironically, whenever we did donut runs we always had Led Zeppelin's Kashmir cranked on the car stereo and we would keep going until the song finished. I did a lot of yard work to make up for my transgression.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Hence the career choice.

    I'll respond to your email, Cor. I've just been really busy and want to take the time to write a cogent reply.

    Just an FYI.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The career choice started because I loved working on golf courses growing up, as did my brother. He still runs a pretty nice golf course. My parents built the house when I was about 15, and me, Dad, and brother planted the yard and hundreds of trees on the property. Three sides of the property now is secluded and lined with evergreens and lots of other trees in the rest of the yard. Now that the trees have matured, the property is like a beautiful park. Too bad the folks sold it and retired to the boonies in the north woods. They wanted to get the hell out of the high population density area.

    No worries on the reply. I was kind of just writing stream of thought after watching the movie and inhaling some cannabinoids and drinking a few beers.

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Some legend: "If there's grass on the pitch ....."

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    the naaaatives are restless baaaaby!

    (said in austin power's sexy voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoPQe49oyhE)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Alotta Fagina...

    a. lot. a. fa-china.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Well played.

  • this is for bill and johnny.


    now, kiss your guns and make up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have to give Bill shit because he does provide value once he is pressed into doing it. I will engage in few blog fights in this new year unless they are truly called for.

    I think that motherfucker brings alot of insight and solid , thoughtful analysis to the blog. But if I feel that he is tripping I gots to call him on his bo shit.

  • i gets in maings.

  • and jesus christ on a bike... I'm in love... again!


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I can spot the blondness without going there. Surprise me one day MB, Chocolate Milk for daddy please.

  • lol, an ex-patriat Irishman, living in Thailand, having babies with hot lesbian asian girls, railing against the Fed and the Rothschild family and who fucking LOVES him a chocolate bobbi....

    I love it.

  • Irish, I think you would love my friend Peppur, who I've known since 1st grade. She is still smoking hot at 42. Great body and pretty face. She was a Lovabull during one of the Jordan years and also a cheerleader for the Bucks. Now she writes and performs in shows in LA. Here's a little interview for one of her shows.


  • 1) Rodgers is good. End of story.
    2) Is he good enough to carry his team when they're sucking gas? Sometimes. This year he wasn't. Last year he was.
    3) Never, ever put any credit into reporters when they whine about players being bitchy or snide. A reporter sees "attitude" when the reality is the player just doesn't want to goddamn talk after getting thumped.
    4) I would rather be a fan of a team on the cusp than a team that consistently flames out of the playoffs. Atlanta has issues. Wins plenty of games, but can't bring the trophy home? See the post-1985 Bears.
    5) Green Bay's in for a world of hurt with so many players leaving (or likely to leave) this off-season.
    6) I wouldn't throw Irina Shayk out of my bed for eating crackers. Then again, what else would she be doing there?

  • Greg Jennings would look good in our uniform.

    A girl can dream.

    Marshall, Jennings, Jeffrey, Bennett, Weems and Anderson?

  • Dude! Why is Joe Beast LAST ?!!!

  • He is his dad. Didn't want to be accused of favoritism.

  • Shamewow


  • In reply to gpldan:

    That's awesome!

  • hey willie where are you when I need you.

    Set up my Sonos Play5 in about 5 seconds maings. Streaming directly from my ipad. Shit is TIIIIIGHT!

    Now I need some more music. I've got some good shit. The more I listen to Wax the more I like him... his songs are fucking funny. There are about 4 on his new album I don't like, the rest are good.

    Check out emiliana torinni.

    What else you got for me? I'm looking for funky, loungy stuff... not end of watch hip hop (although I did download me that Public enemy song... had it long ago and lost it). Hook a brother up maings.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Check out Otto's Journey by Mylo.

    And fucking get some, beeeeeeeeeitch.

  • In reply to Shady:

    closer, but a liiiittle too electronic. But thanks, I like it.

    I can picture you in your room upstairs at home in your mom/dad's house rocking this right now....

    ...you're doing the robot aren't you?


  • In reply to Shady:

    Ah, reminds me of earlier, more intoxicated days.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If you haven't already, check out Medeski, Martin, and Wood. Another good one is Tal Wilkenfeld. Both are funky jazz, loungy type bands.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    thanks Corm. I have quite a bit of MMW already. I am a jazz guy too. This is a bit different, but appreciate the throwdown.

    Check out Calexico for what I'm talking about. Those guys have a hispanic angle, but they're funky cool.

  • In reply to MB30SD:


    So... i do like the streaming from the Apple devices. You mentioned using the iCloud - you pay for that shit? I hate clouds, so I don't know if I'm down, but if it means not having to partition another smaller copy of my music collection - I might be swayed.

    Funky, loungy hip hop? Well, Pigeon John rarely disappoints (check "Dragon Slayer", "Is Clueless", or "Is Dating Your Sister"). Maybe you'd like some Abstract Rude (Rejuvenation). Motion Man's "Clearing the Field" album is probably one of the most funky of all time (thank you Kutmasta Kurt!). "Nia" by Blackalicious is one of my top 5 albums of all time. Very funky and loungy. I could go on for days... Start there.

    If you just wan't funky and loungy NEW, non hip-hop, music... I'd have much fewer suggestions. I'm not into much new stuff that's not hip hop. Breakestra is a good funky band. RJD2 is one of the funkiest beat makers. "Nightmares on Wax" is probably the most simultaneously funky and loungy groups I know of. Kid Koala is pretty enjoyable - a very creative DJ who funks up the lounge. But seriously, just listen to the Meters straight for a month. It's like a musical enema.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    muchas gracias mi amigo.

    Yeah maings. I'm ALL about the cloud my man. Welcome to the 22nd century!

    Let me give you an empirical example. I woke up this morning and thought… I'd love a soundtrack to my morning. rolled over, grabbed my phone off the charger and opened up the Sonos app. Just clicked play and my playlist started kicking (off my ipad, which was charging in the kitchen).

    Music started playing… I can skip songs, change playlists, control volume and settings right from my phone app. All streaming without a single blip, and only about 3 clicks. Fucking. Money.

    Get that shit done man. My current pad is pretty small, so the one Play5 almost works totally, but I will def. add at least one more Play3 to my room soon. Will take another 30 seconds to set that one up. Then I can stream one playlist to both speakers, or play different ones to each of the two speakers. Bang! Bang!

    Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll check em and let you know. Hope all’s well with the bebe.

    Btw, if I haven’t said this before… just a warning for you. This is my own personal hypothesis based on my experience and from a very small sample size of my friends only, but I think chicks go crazy from the baby hormones. Have another and your wife may go over the deep end like mine did. Aye Caramba!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hmmmm... a lot of this is a little too hip hop for me. I like the hip hop/sublime sound like wax and LBDAS, etc... have any more in that vein?

    I have Nighmares on Wax, love it.

    Forgot about blackalicious. Don't have any but like it. Listening to the RjD2 now... so far is awesome, exactly what I was looking for. thanks again maings.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, you could always go Michael Franti & Spearhead. Forgot about them...

    Hmmm... Sublimeish.. I'll think it over. Try Atmosphere in the meantime. There's a Michael franti and blackalicious redo of "what I've got" or whatever that is the cat's ass... For remakes, I guess.

    I'll listen to more Wax and see what I can come up with.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    gots the MF & SH maings. good stuff.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What the hell is LBDAS?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    NM, thanks google.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    +100 on the Meters. Do you like Dumstaphunk? I seen them a few years ago and they were kick ass.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Never heard of 'em, but I'm excited.. I'll check it out.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Phish: Slip Stitch & Pass

  • I like phish doc... not really what I'm looking for, but I have them on the ipad... just a diff playlist.

  • So, Pat Meyer is our new assistant oline coach, eh?

    That's good. We need like a team of fucking oline experts flown in from around the world to fix our god damn line.

    Sorta like this (just for MB)


    Did we even have an assistant oline coach before, or was it all just "the genius" Tice?

    Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that Tice is still jobless? I mean, the O-coordinator job, fogetabout-it...but weren't "league circles" lauding how great of a line coach he was? If Tice was so great, why is he still jobless? I feel like everyone was just talking up how good Tice was as a line coach in public, while laughing at the Bears in private.

  • Boy, I know ppl are getting fed up with this Te'o fiasco, but it's got so many aspects to it that it's worth talking about.

    For instance, it turns out that the fake dead girlfriend Te'o spent long hours talking to for 3 years, is really...wait for it...a DUDE!

    That's right. Not only was the person playing him for a fool, but the conman was actually a man.

    "She's a man, baby!" (insert best Austin Powers impression).

    That's like Silence of the Lambs disturbing. Oh, but it gets better.

    Katie Couric then gives him an Oprah interview. One of the questions she asks Te'o is if he's gay, and he responds, “Katie, you can call me naive, call me stupid, call me a liar. But don't dare call me gay...I'm far, far from gay."

    I'm not sure where to begin. So Te'o's thinks being a liar and an idiot is preferable to being gay? Is that in the book of Mormon or something?

    What the hell is far far from gay? Didn't Liberace and John Travolta say something along the same lines?

    Many are giving Couric shit for asking the question, but it was a valid question. When you give your personal life over to ESPN to gain some national attention and sympathy votes for the Heisman, you can't then turn around and bitch that the media should stay away from said personal life. It's also relevant because one of the many theories behind all this scandal is that Te'o is gay, and Couric gave Te'o is prime-time opportunity to just come out now, and save himself going down the John Travolta, George Michael path.

    Also, GMs and scouts are probably glad Couric did ask that question because legally I don't think they're allowed to ask, though I'm sure it was something in the back of their minds (for whatever reasons).

    Te'o's response also illustrates that even among the young in our "progressive" society, being gay in the NFL is still viewed as taboo...not that there's anything wrong with that (?)

    Or maybe it's only seen as taboo among Mormon Pacific Islander football players attending Catholic Universities...

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    "Or maybe it's only seen as taboo among Mormon Pacific Islander football players attending Catholic Universities..."

    Exactly. It's really weird a guy on a huge campus playing linebacker cannot get the girl he wants.

    I mean, the only way he can justify this, besides he that might be gay, is by saying he pretended to have a fake girlfriend to win Heisman votes or another girl.

  • In response to Joe's Dad:
    I appreciate all you said about me; coming from someone not afraid to speak his mind it showed you were sincere.

    I got the irony you described: your three word response that I dissed as not being insightful stemmed from my four-word reply that was equally lacking in insight. Well played; understood and aprreciated.

    See - we're all saying and feeling and pulling up statistics and tidbits that say the same frustrating thing. Cutler was not a top QB last year and it's impossible to tell how much, if any of it, is him - versus the obvious fact that so much of the offense (players, coaches) was terrible. And we won't get any real feel for how much if any of it will improve until the FA signing season starts.

    Regarding the Te'o thing: I find it most telling that he chooses to so easily forgive the guy who did this to him. National embarassment, unnecessary distraction at the time of combines and interviews, all of which may cost him millions if he slips too far in the draft. And he says "I hope the guy learned from this"? Maybe he is very religous and finds it easy to forgive. But he doesnt' even seem ANNOYED at the guy!

    And the guy passed of pictures of a girl as someone else - which I'm quite sure is illegal. There is no talk of any action being taken against the guy at all.

    This story has a long way to go before it's over. It's not the Vick dogfighting scandal, but it's not an innocent adolescent prank either.

  • guys, the teo thing is very very easy... he's a fucking total and utter meathead, and always has been.

    Sheltered, naive, and 100% focused only on football and improving his strength/speed/agility when not playing football. I bet he never got drunk once or did any drugs in high school. Groomed from early on to be a football beast.

    I've seen it many times in my life. For christ sake, I only got drunk twice in high school and both times were near the end of my senior year when HS football was already over for me.

    The formula is very simple... total meathead + naive + heavy religious background = stud jock who’s actually somewhat of a nerd who doesn't know anything about girls or real life outside of football.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And he's gay.


    Actually, I can totally understand your meatball theory. That plus repression can make a person very askew by normal standards (kinda like homeschooled kids).

    In many ways, Troy Polomalu was the same. I remember reading a USC interview of Carson Palmer who said that the only guy on the team he wanted to hook up his sister with was Troy. A very soft spoken religious guy off the field.

    What bothers me more is that Te'o's personal life affected his play in the National Championship. Many of us were commenting here how Te'o was getting dominated, while we were clueless why. Now, I doubt something of this magnitude ever happens to Te'o again, but it's definitely a red flag.

    Honestly, if Te'o goes off in the combine, if he runs a 4.58 like Kuechly, I doubt a lot of teams will care.

    HOWEVER, he'll no longer be a Top 5 draft pick like many were predicting before the National Championship and Te'o-Gate. I even read some mock drafts that had him going #1 over all.

    Now, he might actually slip to #20 and beyond. That's a lot of mula.

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):


    Yeah, I would also argue that the calibure of the tide had something to do with it. I just think that team is so above and beyond every other college team... AND the entire ND team had a terrible game, not just him. Put all of it together and I personally don't worry too much about that one game. He was in the holes he was supposed to be in (no pun), but he just wasn't making the tackle he usually would.

    The net-net for me is... if he slips to #20 and there isn't a b.Jones-type available we BETTER fucking take teo. Period.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's the thing MB.

    If the Alabama line was teabagging Te'o, imagine what the 9er or Texan's oline would do to him.

    No bueno.

    Te'o's gonna have to prove a lot before the draft

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    yeah, I get that, but you're skewering him on one game. Here's my thing... he has a LOT of growing up to do. I think he's a rd 1 talent and the combine will proove at least the physical part. If he blows up the combine all this stupid shit will be forgotten and teams will once again be clamoring for him. We in this country have a very short memory for our entertainment figures.

    I watched a couple games during the year against good football teams and he is the real deal in my mind. Perfect IMLB for our Bears. I want him (no, not in the fake girlfriend way)

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    I think it was Alabama that affected his play.

  • LMAO

    Titus Young is making Suh look professorial.

    "Earlier this week, Lions wide receiver Titus Young took to Twitter to say that he would retire from football if he didn’t get the ball more often.

    Young doesn’t seem to have taken all that kindly to Schwartz’s response (that Young should get off twitter). He was back on Twitter Friday morning with another message for the team.

    “Oh I’m not done, if y’all going to cut me let me go. I’m tired of the threats,” Young tweeted. “Never needed the money Give me a dollar and a ball bet I come back #HallofFame”

    Titus Young: how to get fired in under 140 characters.

  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):


  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    And that would be the MAROON Hall Of Fame.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Obviously trying to get cut. Taking a real chance that he'll get picked up by someone, but there are those that say he has talent and so out of 32 teams someone is likely to sign him. Sees a career with Megatron as a lifetime of being a distant second instead of a #1. So he forces their hand and he signs a one year deal somewhere and stars and then he gets a big payday etc.

    Not saying it's a good strategy, of course.

  • Continuing on the Te'o theme. Mayock, the draft guru who also just happens to cover 'Dame games, had very insightful analysis on him (He also discusses TE Eifert and C Cave who might be in play for us. Follow the link).

    "Kuechly was a tackling machine. Kuechly was set for today's NFL," said Mayock. "If you could match up a prototype inside linebacker with today's NFL, it is Luke Kuechly. With his speed he's a pass first linebacker. He can play three downs. You don't have to take him off the field in nickel; in fact, he's going to be better in nickel, so to me Kuechly is made for today's NFL.

    "Te'o struggles a little bit more because he isn't naturally built that way. He isn't as naturally quick or the natural explosion or the change of direction like Luke. But that doesn't mean he isn't tough, instinctive and smart."

    At Notre Dame, Te'o played in a 4-3 defense. However there are a number of 3-4 defenses that could use inside linebacker help, and Te'o could be in play for teams like San Diego, Pittsburgh and Houston.

    "I think it is important that he does both," said Mayock. "His movement skills were better this year. The NFL is changing into such a pass-first league. The 265-pound inside linebacker that is a downhill thumper is almost obsolete. I thought it was smart of the kid to get in better shape. Right now it is a matter of he has to look teams in the eye and talk to them, and it is more off the field than on the field unfortunately."


  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):


  • sorry doc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uYBoWH3nFk

  • For my parents generation.. never has one group coalesced so quickly in an effort to obstruct so much.


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  • So now I read on the college side of PFT that the voice on the phone was a girl after all; despite the claim it was the guy responsible for the hoax. Supposedly his cousin. Why the continued lying about this if not to keep making Te'o look stupid (er).

  • In reply to BillW:

    Speaking of looking stupid...

    The Boers and Berstein Show has a segment called "10 Seconds of Glory" where listeners can use the Audio Roadshow App on a smartphone and record their 10 seconds of "glory" regarding the topic of the day.

    Yesterday, the topic was regarding the ridiculousness surrounding the claim Teo's male friend was the voice of Lennay, the girl Teo had hours and hours of conversations with. So the hosts, Steve Rosenbloom and Dan Berstein, wanted listeners to submit a 10 second voicemail message for them in their best lady voice. I did my best and submitted a recording and it ended up making it on the air. Here is a list of all the weirdos who submitted a voicemail in their best lady voice, including mine, as "Harriet":


  • In reply to Shady:

    you do this every weekend maings... what's the diff?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    btw, that was fucking hilarious! Well done.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    some of the others are fucking scary.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahaha exactly, thanks.

  • OK - I guess you can file this under "beating a dead horse":

    "With the Bears eyeing offensive linemen at the Senior Bowl because of real needs for improvement up front, here’s a look at how their offensive linemen (who played at least 25 percent of the snaps) fared this season.

    Using Pro Football Focus, which general manager Phil Emery said he uses for his evaluations, the Bears didn’t have one player with a positive grade."


  • In reply to BillW:

    Wecome to shitty wok...


  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    hahaha yes


  • In reply to Shady:



  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    so awesome. Love those.

    btw, wtf is up with the new hansel & grettle. Jesus.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it appears we have a probrem


  • you can't ever stop these fucking monsters. Something is just broken in them. They've probably always been around and always will be. You can take the guns away, but they'll just find other means.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "lifted the mom's bloody head and showed it to his 9yr old brother before killing him. Then killed his two little sisters? a 2yr old?"

    how do you stop this? I'd like some fucking self serving politician to tell me how you stop that.

  • you can't man. there is somthing broken in these 'humans'. If he wouldn't have done this, he would have gone on to be a serial killer.

    You can't stop crazy before they do something unless there are signs. some portion of humans will always be this way. it's why 'god' and 'the devil' were invented... to try and explain human nature to those grasping for answers. sucks.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Boy - I am FAR from having any reasonable expertise in this area - but I do have to wonder if parents enable behavior in "broken" children rather than confront and deal with mental issues when they first arise. Thinking they will "grow out of it".

    Again, just a thought based on nothing more than being a parent; it can be difficult to accept even small issues about one's own.

  • Regarding Te'o--it's 3 more months to the draft. His story's gonna get buried and forgotten, so someone is gonna draft him before #20.

    I still like the "he's gay" theory, but the way he's been talking and the more revelations about the story, I'm thinking it's not that he's gay but that he's that fucking thick and gullible. Not that #54 isn't thick and gullible (he punched Paris Hilton's kitty, so he's pretty dumb; he keeps insulting Bears fans, so he doesn't realize that there is life after football, etc.), but I don't know that I'd want Te'o, given this history.

    Then again, if he falls to #20...

    I think I'd rather have Ogletree, but this whole Te'o business has simply made Ogletree the top ILB in the draft.

    The thing that worries me overall about the draft is how deep it is for quality OTs. I hope that doesn't green-light Emery to waiting until Round 2 to shore up the line. Unless a good FA/trade ends up in a quality veteran taking over LT, I'd like to see R1 & R2 picks be Olinemen.

  • I have to pass four hours. What's going on here?

    Are we still talking about Te'o? We need to move on like Lennay did.

    People killing other people? Sigh. I really don't want to talk about that. Sorry.

    Pro-Bowl? I fear I said too much.

    How this for shit starters.. haha "shit starters" I am willing to bet about 100 dollars that Webb and Carimi start at the beginning of the season.

    Trestman and Kromer will try to fix a weak offensive line through scheme. However, the Bears might draft a new center or guard. Stil..

    Anybody..? Bueller?

  • Carimi yes, Webb no.

    No one is going to try to scheme around Webb anymore. You hinder the scope of what you can do when you don't have the talent to expand and be creative.

    That was the downfall of Tice's experiment.

  • I agree but did you notice how Emery defended the offensive line and talked about playmakers?

    Plus, Emery hires a guy that not only can help the quarterback get back on track but fix the offensive line as well. Sorry. I don't see change at the Tackle position just yet.

  • Don't see him not addressing the OL extensively. That would be absolute madness. He should ignore it.....if he wants to make sure the Bears go nowhere for the next 5 years.

    The line and TE will be addressed.

  • you KNOW that I am with you here my brother.

    Not addressing the oline has PROVED to be career suicide for the last two morons. I doubt emery and trestman didn't notice.

    Also, as we saw with tice, you can't fix 'shit'. You can fix good but green and badly coached before.... you can't coach talent into dudes.

  • agree on all accounts Erik.

    Please god enough teo... I'm looking at you bill.

    Yeah, murder sucks. don't get it.

    Fuck webb. he should already be flipping burgers. We need a new oline.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He has to be gay. When he got all huffy and macho about it, sir you protest too much. I don't care how much of a dumbass he is, he had to have had a hot, drunk, naked co-ed all over him at one time or another. Even I had that happen to me a few times and I'm not exactly Lance Romance. Sometimes the most obvious explanation is over looked.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That's all he had to say was "Katie, I'm not gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that."

  • I have to admit I am fascinated by the "he who is not to be named unless we draft him" story. But I'm a minoity of one so I'll keep that interest off this blog.

    Yeah - Emery said he'll take playmakers over other guys. I hope he didn't mean that as literally as it sounded. I sure hope that doesn't mean he plays to fix the line by coaching it up.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I like Te'o, just not more than NFL caliber Offensive Lineman so we can run an NFL caliber Offense.

    Te'o in the first round is simply not a luxury we can afford. Roach will be servicable for that role as he played well enough this year.

    OL, DL, OL, Burner WR, Huge angry LB to groom and play specials is how the first 5 will go.

    OL, DL and TE in Free Agency.

    Joe Anderson, Bowman, McMannis and Weems will be our special teams aces this year

    I want to see who our backup RB will be. Will they cut Bush and bring in a cheap, hungry baller undrafted or late rounder?

  • I'm all for the hungry college HB in the later rounds (Alfred Morris who rushed for 1,600 yds was drafted in the 6th).

    If Lattimore somehow survives till the 5th or even 4rth, I'm all for taking a chance on him and hoping he'll be good by week 8 or so.


  • In reply to 4ever85 (O Canada!):

    I'm not watching that clip if that is the Lattimore kid breaking his leg in half.

  • yeah, I can't watch it either. Have avoided it thus far, but there's some highlights until like 3 mins into it. Once they go to slow-mo - just stop lol

  • Locks to make the team (33):
    Peppers, Wootton, McClellin, Idonije,Paea, Melton, Roach, Briggs, Pringles, Conte, Tillman, Jennings, Cutler, Forte, Carimi, Scott, Garza, Rodriguez, Spaeth, Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, Weems, Louis, Bowman, Hayden, Hayes, Gould, Podlesh, Mannelly, Joe Anderson, Costanzo, Steltz

    On the Bubble (15):
    Hardin, DJ, Webb, Edwin Williams, Okoye, Toeina, , Kyle Adams, Kellen Davis, Blanchard, Hester (salary cap), Brittan Golden, Allen, Bell, Unga, Collins

    Then drafted guys......

  • Hardin... HARDIN!!!! we're talking about HARDIN!?!?!

    btw, I am actually coming around to agree that Roach, if he played like last year and maybe even improves, might be able to step in for Lach next year, and then we can draft a kluechy-type the year after.

    He's not the monster Lach was, and I don't think he's going to be our franchise for years to come, but he's a nice insurance policy for next year that will allow us to focus on OL OL OL and not have to waste an early pick or FA money on Lach's replacement.

    The more I think it, the more I like it. Problem is that if roach regresses, we're kinda fucked.

  • Izzy played well enough for an extension. Melton will get paid. Hester may get cut. Anderson will make it because of specials but will then shine at game time. Okoye and Collins will fight for a spot if they don't draft DL. TE is up in the air as all 3 guys could theoretically not make the team. I think they will keep Spaeth though.

    Brittan Golden is an interesting guy they signed to a futures contract. Seems like a more physical Knox type. Unga would be a great backup if he wasn't crazier than Teo. DJ or Hayden may vie for the Nickel. Hayden has more size and didn't end the season on the IR like always so he may be even better.

    Jason Campbell may be back at backup as his performance won't elicit any starting qb offers at this point. Blanchard could be developed but McNown can move the ball but may be too old. Weems proved to be a pit bull on the field and brought high energy. McManis and Bowman contributed on specials and can play DB in the nfl.

  • hayden looked like this on every play: http://ottster.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/burnttoast.jpg?w=300&h=281

    Fucking. Terrible.

    Cut him please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought DJ was much better than Hayden, both tackling and in coverage.

  • In reply to TheFifth:


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I thought Hayden played like shit, too. DJ must have fucked Lovie's wife or something. Man he was so far in the doghouse it was unreal. When DJ was playing earlier it wasn't up to his usual standards and QB's were abusing him. Hayden had a game or so where he was kinda OK and then he just sucked ass after that.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I never thought DJ's play was sub par enough to bench him, and even make him inactive for a few games. Hayden recovered a few fumbles the first game he started at nickel over DJ, and Lovie got a turnover boner. I think DJ's biggest transgression was making a comment about Cutler, and Lovie got pissed.

  • It wouldn't surprise me if McCown stays on the team and Campbell moves on (or takes a pay cut). After that I'm guessing they would want a developmental guy, which may or may not be Blanchard. Who knows?

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/photos/1301/100-greatest-super-bowl-photos-of-all-time/?sct=hp_t11_a3&eref=sihp#/nfl/photos/1301/100-greatest-super-bowl-photos-of-all-time/66/

  • Here's exactly why I believe Webb will be the starting LT for the Bears again..

    Number one: With Free Agency around the corner there are three legitimate replacements that could supplant Webb.

    1. Branden Albert- The Chiefs wanted to keep him and bump him down to guard. Albert did not like that. If anyone knows whether or not if he can play it's Emery.

    2. Jake Long- Some football sites have graded Long below Webb. Think about that. I don't know if it's because he tried to play through injuries or he has truly taken a step back. I do know that he wants to get paid.

    3.Ryan Clady- Clady will not leave the Denver. End of story.

    Number two: The draft could be the spot that makes the most sense cap space and future wise for the Bears. Why?

    1. Emery is a tape guy and he will constantly go back to it for answers. I doubt any legitimate prospects fall to the Bears but some projects like Lane Johnson might.

    2. Emery wants playmakers. I don't see how an offensive linemen is a playmaker. Unless his name is Warmack. That being said, I don't expect Emery to take a offensive linemen in first round unless someone miraculously falls to the Bears.

    I hope Jeff reads this because I want to see a better offensive line and I'm not defending Webb or Emery. I'm just pointing out what I heard.

  • didn't we talk about this Erik?

    You were going to strop injecting all your silly 'logic' into these discussions. Please stop.

    And are you sure he will be staying in, the Denver? Damn it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lol I meant to say staying in the Denver area but I left it out.

  • i like The Denver.

    for the record, I live in The San Diego.

  • Andy Reid is a shitty coach but he does know offense. If they want to keep Branden they will. I'm speechless that Webb was rated higher than Long on some sites. Agree about Clady. I want to see us go OL, Ol, TE, for the first three picks (the third pick will be in rd 4. I have nothing against Emery but his first draft didn't exactly wow me. Chicken Dinner is the new LB. Unless #54 signs a low guarantee w/lots of incentives type contract, I just don't see him coming back (unless he proves he is somehow much faster).

  • bang bang: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2584148

  • Which free angent will re-sign with Chicago?

    A. Brian Urlacher
    B. Henry Melton
    C. Both
    D. Neither

  • In reply to Shady:

    b pls

  • In reply to Shady:

    D. The answer is D.

  • here you go irish... she looks kind of hot: http://www.chicagonow.com/single-but-shouldnt-be

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