10 Definitive Factors of the 2012 Season: #s 5-1

10 Definitive Factors of the 2012 Season: #s 5-1

#5 Marshall, Marshall, Marshall

Bears fans complained for years about the absence of a number one wide receiver in Chicago. Then, in typical fashion for the Bears fans and media, they complained about overusing the one they got. Brandon Marshall may not have broken the records Calvin Johnson did but he delivered the most spectacular offensive performance in Chicago since #34 wore the navy and orange. If Bears fans are looking for a reason to be optimistic in 2013 and beyond they should look no further than the relationship between their quarterback and their star wide receiver.

#4 Peanut Punch: Nashville & Beyond

Charles Tillman has been the best cornerback, arguably, in the history of the Chicago Bears and this was his finest season. Never was his genius so on display as in the surreal confines of LP Field in Nashville (Soldier Field South) as he forced four fumbles with his patented Peanut Punch. Very few players in NFL history have changed the way the game is played. Tillman is one of them.

#3 Jay Cutler Handed the Vikings 14 points

Ultimately what kept the Bears out of the postseason was simple: they had a weaker season than the Minnesota Vikings. That could have been remedied in Minnesota where the Bears defense shut down AP after early success and allowed the Vikings 14 points off poorly thrown interceptions. The entire Bears team was bad that Sunday. Nobody was worse than Cutler.

#2 Russell Wilson Went 97 Yards

I sat there, in a beautiful seat, on a beautiful December day at Soldier Field. I watched the Bears, leading 14-10, send their punter onto the field and watched as Adam Podlesh pinned the Seahawks inside the five. And then it began, the ascension of Russell Wilson to the upper echelon of the NFL quarterback ranks. 97 yards and a Major Wright dropped interception later the Seahawks had the lead. (Yes, Cutler and company forced this game to overtime but this drive was the ultimate soul sucker.) If the Bears defense stops the ‘Hawks they would currently be preparing to play on wild card weekend.

#1 Gabe Carimi Could Not Play Tackle

It was the most essential misstep by the Chicago Bears coaching staff heading into the 2012 campaign: believing Gabe Carimi would be a capable right tackle. Carimi’s struggles forced offensive coordinator Mike Tice to make up for deficiencies on both sides of the offensive line and dramatically limit what the club’s offense could attempt. They will never get that opportunity now.


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  • #1 terrible coaching.

    Bang! Bang!

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    In reply to MB30SD:


  • In reply to Big Mike:

    YES Mike!

    It's my list and I'll cry if I want to.

    (besides, we all know it was 35% lovie and 65% angelo)

  • +1

  • btw, why are we being invaded by clown fans like justin and bearwhatever?

    My god, after 9 years we finally have hope... hope for a better future, and we get these jackasses.


  • In reply to MB30SD:

    They're needed for comparison sake.

    Even #16 - he/she helped me appreciate numbers 1-15.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    look at you... back and in action.

    Take away a little milk and everything's peachy again!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Back at work. No more smoking.

    Need SOMETHING to take the edge off.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    you picked a tough week to stop sniffing glue maings.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:


  • In reply to MB30SD:


    Remember no matter where you go...jackasses.

    I stand by my top 10 list from the previous thread.

    Lovie Smith is now on his way to Buffalo or where ever he ends up...I really don't give a crap...he is no longer in Chi-town and I thank God for it!

    Thank you Emery for convincing the Ole Lady he needed to go...long over due but there is now hope where there wasn't before.

    BEAR DOWN and get ready league because the Bear are NOT what you think they are now....the Monsters are coming back.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    I looked at a Buffalo fan comment board yesterday, and most of the posters were ecstatic to have him.

    From when I lived in the Bills' market area, Buffalo ran a 3-4, especially with Nose Tackle Fred "Encroachment" Smerlas.* If that's still the case, I wonder how Lovie is going to work with the existing players, or maybe that isn't a requirement for a perpetual 6-10 team.

    *Being originally from the Chicago area, I didn't know what the position was.

  • In reply to jack:

    Fred Smerlas. Wow.

    The BJ Raji of his day.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    They sure don't look the same.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That was a great team to watch. All three phases.

  • In reply to jack:

    Well, they are Bills fans.
    Devoted but doomed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seriously.. calling last years draft a bust is laughable. Alshon alone is better than any WR glitchy ever got us. Can you say David Terrell?

  • Agreed on Alshon... How about Iglesias?

    But still, a draft class deserves 2 years for judgment...

    That being said, Emery didn't scout all last year thinking about the Bears needs... how long before the draft did he get hired? A month?

  • Also Sac, I'm not prepared like some people (it seems anyway) to bury McClellin. I think the kid may become a solid contributor to the team.

  • btw, are we going to get a little mea culpa from herbstreet about his rant that Louisville against the gators in a bowl game is a travesty?



  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sometimes good stuff happens.

  • I think this offseason could be hugely promising, as long as we don't end up with a 2nd tier HC. In all honesty, my 3 choices are Mike McCoy, Mike Zimmer and Pete Carmichael. Any one of those and I think we're in good shape. If we could somehow put a trade together to move up and take Manti T'eo, then sell out on O-line in the rest of the draft and FA, I'd be happy. As much as I'm over watching Devin run everywhere but upfield, I'm still not sure I want to part ways with him. Urlacher has maybe 1 year left, I'd like to see his long-term replacement in place this year, and I think T'eo could be the next in the line of great Chicago MLBs. If not him, then Shayne Skov #11 from Stanford would be my 2nd choice.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Emery's methodical approach reminded me of the prior coach search clown shows, including Russ Grimm not even wearing a suit thanking the McClaskey family, the Dave McGinnis fiasco, and IIRC, Nick Sabin before. I trust we won't have that again.

  • In reply to jack:

    Jesus Jack!

    Angelo and Crane Phillips went to Saban's house in 2004. The gist of the conversation, as it's been told or leaked, was that Saban wanted $4M per year and total control on draft day, Glitchy would have no say-so at all.

    Glitchy was not down with OPP. (Other People's Picks).

    It wasn't fucked up per se, like McGinnis was. It was just a pussy call.

    Emery compared his say-so over the 53 to the Founding Fathers idea of checks and balances. I just laughed at the pretension of that.

    It was a signal that Chucky need not apply, though. That's why I said that I would be extremely impressed if Emery was man enough to give control of the 53 to a former HC like Chucky.

    Or, oddly enough, after Saban wins on Monday night, maybe show how much you are NOT Glitchy and give him that '06 deal. Seven years later, inflation will make his salary $6M/yr, though.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I thank jeebus that JA wasn't able to convince is "ol pal" Saban to take the job. Saban showed in Miami that he's a piece of shit.

    I wouldn't hire Saban to mow my yard, let alone coach an NFL team.

    Sadly, given what he's done in Alabama, he'll never want an NFL job again.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Don't mean to single you out, Matty, so don't take this as a personal criticism, but while a LOT of folks are singing the

    "..,sell out on O-line in the rest of the draft "

    song on this blog, keep in mind that there is going to be a VERY long line forming at the Offensive Lineman Department.

    Think, "Ralphie's Visit To Santa" in A CHRISTMAS STORY except that all the kids in THIS line are gonna be asking Santa for the SAME TOY.

    With few, if any, exceptions MOST of the teams NFL these days are looking to improve their offensive lines.

    You think Bill Belicheat was satified with watching Brady go down 27 times?

    Or that having A-Rod buried FIFTY-ONE times isn't a major concern in the Land of Milk & Cheese ?

    In baseball, you can't have "too much" pitching.

    In today's NFL, you can't have too many good offensive linemen.

  • matty, with you but we need to temper our expectations. There's still the whole execution part, which as we know, hasn't been a bears management strong point.

    There's finally hope, but there's a long way to go.

    Also, I love your draft/FA plan... since I basically have the exact same one... but there's no way we can sell out for teo and still have any picks left for anything else. Like $ or someone else said before, there are plenty of ILBs who aren't tep but who kick ass.

    I am just fired up there's so much hope for the future. Get it done Emery.

    Ok boys... off to VEGAS BABY, VEGAS!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Happy Birthday, maings.

  • Remember the three H's of turning 40:

    Hookers, Headboards and Hookah.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    how many picks do we have?

  • MB, I know it's a long shot, and going to be difficult at best to pull off, but I think that we have the pieces to do it and Emery is shrewd enough to pull it off. I also don't think he goes in the Top 5, but somewhere between 6-12, and with that I think we can get there without giving up the whole draft to do so. Enjoy Vegas!

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    The Rams gave up a second rounder to move from 14 to 6 in 2011. If you want Te'o and he falls to around 8 or 9, you could possibly get him for about the same.

    With that said, I wouldn't do it. Te'o is a special player, but we are not one piece away from glory. We need help on the O-line a lot more than we need Manti Te'o.

    And its worth pointing out that there is a certain amount of cognitive dissonance on the blog. Everyone wants the new coach to be an offensive guru; wants the O-line fixed as a top priority; wants us to score more points. But then they want to give away the draft on a defensive player.

    I understand the push to get Te'o, and I wouldn't be furious if we got him. But the part of me that wants to make that trade is the same part that wanted to keep Lovie Smith. And that's not the direction we are headed.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I'm going to watch the game Monday night and see what all the fuss is about this kid. With this much hype, he should single handedly shut the Tide's run game down.

    We were all high on Luke K. last year. Turns out he would have been exactly what we needed to trade up for, he was defensive ROTY:

    "Kuechly led all NFL defenders with 164 tackles, becoming the first rookie since 49ers star ILB Patrick Willis to accomplish that feat. He was second among rookies with 12 tackles for loss and had eight passes defensed, two interceptions, a sack and three fumble recoveries."

    This blog was begging to trade up for him last year, so it makes sense that the consensus would be the same here this year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Roach turned out to be serviceable in the middle. It seems where more prudent to focus on the O-line early in the draft this year. Let Roach run the middle for now if Lach's gone or is too beat up to be effective, and bring in another Hayes type veteran. The Bears aren't deep at LB but it seems foolish to give away two early picks to take a linebacker when the line is so bad.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I knew we wanted that kid, but also knew it was not going to happen.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    We have lance and J Scott, possibly Edwin, the rest cannot start.

  • Who is in the Marc Columbo camp with Gabe?

    Some history: We drafted tackle Marc Columbo in the first round of the 2002 draft. He got a knee injury his rookie year, just like Gabe. Columbo was a femoral nerve, whereas Gabe was either cartiledge smash or ACL, I don't know (and there seems to be spotty record of).

    We held onto Columbo from 02-05, let him go. Cowboys picked him up, and he held down right tackle for them until the '08 season, where he broke his leg in December. That effectively ended him, but the Jones boys got three stellar seasons from him.

    I have a hard time reconciling a guy rated so high by scouts with such a fantastic, epic - can barely play at all - bust. I chalk about 50% up to Tice being a dumbass OL coach (ironic), and 50% to Carimi's injury from being targeted as bounty by the Saints.

    I gotta believe he can be coached up and weight trained up into a serviceable RT. I don't know that he can compete with Scott for the starting job, but I gotta think you try and keep him and at least see how he performs in camp.

    Jeff is right - more than Chico-is-not-the-man and Spencer for Hire's shit, and Louis going down or even Webb's play - having Carimi suck shit was the killer blow. We got lucky with Scott.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Totally with you on this one gp, not only was he injured but was making a move to the other side. After his whole time playing left and really excelling enough to be a first round pick, everything in his core was trained to move and work that side. Now he has a leg injury, at the same time tries to reteach his muscles and his moves to a totally different side using opposite movement. I'm thinking that in itself can me a monumental task. Give him an offseason of strength training on the legs, some GOOD coaching on his technique, and hopefully we have ourselves a player. I've read its not easy for tackles to switch sides and that was one of Taits great qualities was his ability to play either side, and play it well!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Carimi has the physical tools to play the position. His technique was just lousy as a pass blocker - couldn't keep his center of gravity under him. That's what all the experts have said and what I have seen of the tape seems to agree. Tice, by the way, said the same thing.

    One of two things will happen with Carimi. Either he will get his head together at some point and the physical tools will mean he can be a solid RT for years. Or he will never get past the mental errors - the combination of spotty play and multiple penalties will make him too much of a liability, and his career will end sooner rather than later. There is probably no middle ground.

    The hard party - and nobody can really get this 100% - will be figuring out when its time to give up on him. Plenty of guys have a bad season or two and then come back strong (look at Major Right playing safety). Plenty of guys never get past the mental mistakes (look at Hester playing WR) and plateau. And even if we cut him and he plays well somewhere else, we'll never be sure if the reason he played better wasn't the fresh start. This is why personnel is so hard.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Offensive tackle is an especially difficult position to write guys off early. There have been a lot of tackles that have gone from absolutely awful to becoming pro bowl caliber 4-5 years down the line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I disagree that Columbo was STELLAR for the Cowboys.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    If we could get 3-4 years of league average out of Carimi, it would be better than we've done in a while with tackles.

  • Not to reignite the Cutler debate but I feel my good name has been besmirched and I must retort- so a response to a post on an earlier thread-

    Oh Johnny how did I know you would come running to your boyfriends defense as soon as the obvious was stated?

    So lets see.. we added one of the best WR's, if not the best, in the NFL. We obviously have a very good RB and a world class D and your contention is that if any of those three rookie QB's were added to the Bears then they would be a bust?! Yet you site the supporting players on those other teams as reason for their winning. Surely our supporting players are just as good if not better with the exception of the oline. So then scheme.. it's all due to the scheme, and two O tackles oh yes and some dropped passes. It's everyone’s fault but Jays. Johnny if you can honestly say that Jay is a top 10 QB then your love runs far too deep for logic to ever pierce. And if he's not a top 10 QB.. and we just got rid of a top 10 coach (arguably looking at the stats) because he didn’t get us to the playoffs then my question is how long do they stick with Jay? I think that’s a fair question and I've laid out the logic behind it for you. Now to the rookie statement..

    I do see one thing in common with these three rookies.. they get their teammates to play for them. They don’t shove their linemen and scream at them (even if they deserved it), they don’t constantly act like someone ran the wrong route every time they throw an int... they actually elevate the level of play amongst their teammates. (if you think the Colts are somehow better than the Bears personnel wise in any phase of the game please explain) In other words they are leaders... leaders who are still playing football and that is something I envy.

  • Cutler needs a HC who will scream at him, so he stops screaming at other people. Lovie gave him a long leash to act like he does.

    Let's not forget that Cutler, as a rook, was taken to lunch by Shanny and Elway. He apparently kept watching tv and acted like he could care less what these guys were saying to him.

    Cutler has some balls to act that much of a prima-donna, even if Horse face is a dick. Even if Horse face's message was gonna be "you'll never be me". Who knows how that actually transpired, but that is a helluva story.

    Cutler's attitude needs adjustment. But go watch his TD throw to Matt Spaeth again. Tell me how Russell Wilson makes that throw. He doesn't.

    Kapernick dried up like corn flakes on the driveway once his OL broke down. It's easy to be a wunderkind when you can sit back there like he's been able to. We'll see how good Wilson is once he gets pressure. Cutler has shit. His line as a QB is worse than Sweetness line as a RB. I would happily take Revey Sorey and Noah Jackson over what we got here.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm reminded of the Cutty's first camp with the beloved. He ran all the way down the field to scream at rookie Iglesias because he kept trying for the one handed grab. We were so elated to have a fiery take charge QB. We lauded him for that shit. But now, if he does that, we ridicule him. Marino, Aikman, Elway,...those guys would slap the shit out of a teammate not giving his all or making stupid mistakes.

    I say Jay is a leader who is becoming a deer in the headlights when it comes to knowing how to lead. Should he yell? No, the media will be all over it. Should he not yell? No, then he doesn't care. For some reason, and I think it started when he left Denver in a hissy, the public hates him and he can do no right. This despite playing through diabeetus, having no protection, no tight end, no recievers who can catch, and no offensive mastermind. I mean christ, what is the guy supposed to do? I feel bad for the guy. I really do. He's the skapegoat no matter how much his presence effects our win/loss record. If he had won the SB this year, the media would have spun it as a defensive win, no doubt.

    The guy can play, he's just been put in horrible positions to succeed. And why are we surprised? This team hasn't had a reliable plan or talent on offense since I was a little boy, and most of that was sweetness.

    When Jay was in Denver, with good offensive talent and a good offensive coach, he excelled all the way to the pro bowl. 4000+ yards etc... When he came to an offense with literally one offensive weapon (Forte) and a shit for brains turnstyle at OC nearly every freaking year, he sucks. It's an absurd situation made worse by the face god gave him.

    By the way, has anyone seen Jay's Amish Twin ?

  • If I was more ambitious, I'd photoshop that into:
    Smoking Jay's Amish Twin...and destroy the interwebs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    For years I thought Revey Sorey was a made up name; sounded like someone with a thick accent saying they were "really sorry" the guy was playing for them.

  • I actually met him years ago, really nice guy. Do any of you here who go way back remember that staph infection that sidelined Vince Evans for a few months? Someone who would know said that it wasn't an infection at all, it was a beating put on him when he got caught by said Revey Sorey carrying on with his girlfriend. There's some completely unsubstantiated trivia...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    I remember both players but not the staph infection. It's like the rumors after the Cubs traded Dave Martinez for a peanut vendor to be named later. It never made any sense. Martinez wasn't great but he was a solid outfielder. A friend told me he was screwing around with Sandberg's wife. I kinda believed that one because Sandberg got divorced about the same time. Who knows?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Heard the same kind of thing as the reason for Doug Collins losing his Bulls coaching gig (messing with one of ownerships' wives). To satisfy our prurient curiosity and if I can remember, I'll ask one of my sisters about Sandberg's ex. She grew up in the same town as us and they new each other from HS...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Now that I think about it, forget I said anything. it wasn't Ryne Sandberg after all, it was some other Cub (I want to say Scott Sanderson?). I'll have to give her a call...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Would be interesting. I've always heard that Harry Caray got the boot out of St. Louis for porking the owners wife.

    My brother-in-law and I sat in the bleachers at Wrigley when Harry was broadcasting a game from there. We weren't very far from him. He had a cooler about the size of a coffin and everyone sitting by him were drinking with him. About half way through the game they brought out another cooler. It was nuts. I have no idea how Harry sounded on the air but he drank an ocean of beer that day. Always loved Harry. Even towards the end when you weren't sure he was watching the same game.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Noah Jackson, who beat Jim McMahon into last place at his first training camp run. The vets were pissing their pants that mac couldn't run faster than a fat bastard.

  • If any rookie QB is added to a team that has no idenity on offense and no coach that has a comprehensive and coherent plan and you throw them out there you are goddamn right they are going to fail.

    Forte is a really solid running back that battled knee and ankle issues all fucking year. Can't get a yard, no violent burst up the middle, etc. Bush was hurt for the last couple of games when he was needed in the short yardage.

    If you think that lack of NFL CALIBER SCHEME and COACHING is some minor issue that can be overcome please tell me how? With superior talent??? Not on this O line my friend. Do you know what it means to havce 2 turnstiles at the tackle positions? A center that can't get any push in the triangle, and your best Guard hurt early in the year? Dude, EDWIN WILLIAMS was our other guard. Spencer was hurt and when he wasn't he sucked. Our second best guard was fucking released by our genius coaching staff.

    This vacuum of talent in the heart of the offense means we can't do anything other than coach Tice's self proclaimed DUH offense. When you have a DUH offense matched up with DOM FUCKING CAPERS defense what the fuck do you think is going to happen?? Not many DUH defenses in this league, SF? GB? Houston? Seattle? They are fucking killing people and yet we lost to GB by a TD, Houston by a TD, Seattle by a TD, Minny by a TD, etc.

    you are correct that we had a great D but that D made crucial mistakes as well that kept us out of the playoffs.

    We weren't just short 2 Tackles Sac. We were short 2 fucking tackles, a quality swing tackle, 2 fucking guards, a center, a TE, a healthy running back for most of the year, a healthy backup running back when it counted, etc and most of all we were short an offensive coordinator that could have used the weapons we did have in a meaninful fashion.

    How many crossing routes for Bennett this year??? 1?? 2?? He's a fucking playmaker that no ones views as a playmaker until he makes a fucking play that has us scratching our heads. that's on fucking TICE. How many seam passes that KD fuck up??? How many??

    How many crossing routes for Alshon??? You know, the kind where there are almost 8 minutes of Youtube clips of him doing in college like Marshall does?? ALMOST NONE........ That's on TICE.
    Line up a faster better catching TE in Rodriquez in a slot to take advantage of a LB matchup??? NOPE.

    I love Cutler because despite all of the bullshit hands he's been dealt he's tried to do it with those hands. Marshall helps but when it's 2 on 1 because your fucking TE can't fucking catch or get separation, your kick returner who wants to retire is your starter, your reliable guy in Bennett is hurt for a handful of games and your rookie, who you need to be the next Julio Jones only performs like a really solid rookie then you have problems.

    You talk about elevating play of others and then dismiss the exact instances when Jay put those guys in positions to WIN FUCKING GAMES BY CATCHING PERFECTLY THROWN TD PASSES. He can't make the fucking plays for them pal. They have to do it and since this is not fucking grade school football, you can't just inspire Hester to catch a TD pass or come back for a ball if they can't fucking do it on their own.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    How many seam passes that KD fuck up??? How many??

    A first count revealed 12. Maybe more if you watch the tapes.

    12 is alot of drops. It was kinda fun, in a sick way, to do weekly Madden 13 updates during the season and watch Davis' hands rating go from a 78 to a 48 slowly.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    fool. E-Rod isn't a tight end. he's a Fullback cut in the mold of Mike Alstott, Daryl Johnston, Larry Centers, and Lorenzo Neal.

    if he wasn't, you explain to me why on earth would we have let Clutts walk.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    3 words....

    Michael Peter Tice

  • In reply to Waffle:

    of course his middle name would be penis.

  • Forget it, Sac. Far too much Cutler Kool-Aid has been consumed around here.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    learn football for gods fucking sake

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    In fairness, a lot of those drops were crucial. Happens to all QBs though.

  • yeah, i think every qb in the league had 3 dropped TD's that would have directly resulted in a 2 W's instead of 2 L's and that the team missed out on the playoffs as a result.

  • @RapSheet
    #Bears are 1st team to put in an interview request for #Colts OC Bruce Arians, I'm told. Won't be the last. #Chargers among those interested

  • Lots of interviews. I think it's safe to say that Chucky is not even a consideration. No good rumors coming out in that area.

    My thoughts on the Cutler debate continue to evolve. After the GB game I gave up defending him, and yet I can't help but still wonder what the problem really is. I have to agree that the rookies at least appear to have more leadership skills; but if they had a Heser and Kellen Davis to deal, they'd probably bite their tongue because they are rookies. Cutler correctly feels he has a right to cut that crap and react with frustration - not some dumb Lovie like reaction that everything is OK.

    Still - 'if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem' applies here. But it will take a coach WITH CREDENTIALS to get him to be on board.

    You know what that would create? The s-word that the Score likes to ridicule. Synergy.

  • In reply to BillW:


  • Safe for work?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Yeah.. just some random video about Synergy. Surprisingly good though.

  • I enjoyed it. That is an interesting country with a unique history.

  • My choices.. Arians, Holmgren, or Clements.

    Emery is doing a great job at picking some pretty good offensive minds to interview.

    Arians- Helped Big Ben and Andrew Luck this season.

    McCoy- Helped Tebow and Manning this season.

    Carmichael- Drew Brees.. that's all.

    Clements- Helped Favre and Rodgers.

    Hint... I think Emery is trying to fix or help establish some offensive identity.. Could be wrong..

  • Problem I have is that none of those guys are THE architects or even primary playcallers for those offenses.
    Even Carmichael was just a puppet on strings for the real guru, Sean Payton. The guy had a busted knee, not a larynx removal.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Arians is the primary playcaller and I just found out that he has helped Rodgers, Favre, Peyton, Eli, Brees, Roethlisberger, and now Luck.

    That's a nice pedigree. Having the chance to coach this season while Chuck was out is the main reason he is getting a legitimate chance to be a head coach. I think he is worth it. I wanted him over Mike Tice last year.

  • I take that back on Favre, Rodgers, and Eli. However, he has worked with Peyton, Ben, and now Luck.

  • He's also 60 years old, and the Indy success this year is probably overblown, given the emotional fuel that team has been running on.
    I'm not overly wowed by his resume.
    And my point still stands on every other guy on that list.

  • It's fun watching Rex Ryan slowly morph into his father.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I have always wanted to ask someone on this blog if they felt that way..

    Thanks Gp.

  • Hi all...first post.

    I'd really like to see Chip Kelly on the list of guys to talk to. The more I hear from him, about him, learn about his offense, learn about what he's about...the more I want Emery to just sit down with him.

    The guy has a wonderful offensive mind, and teaches principals that will translate to the NFL.

  • In reply to madscout:

    Welcome. I like the idea of Chip Kelly and obviously a lot of other teams do too. But the more I think of it, the more I feel we need someone who has worked directly with successful NFL QBs.

  • In reply to madscout:


    there, now that that's out of the way, welcome aboard. =]

    i like the idea of kelly, but i'm not sure i like the execution. he's been wildly successful in college and supposedly mister bellicheck has stolen parts of his offense for the pats, but i don't know how that spread-on-steroids offense would translate to the bears. lots of empty sets. that scares me. of course, if emery rebuilds the line to be Hogs 2.0, then i say let's empty set the shit out of fuckers. i could get used to seeing marshall/bennett/alshon/forte/TE-not-named-Kellen running routes while Jay has more than 1.8 seconds to go through his reads.

  • Ok, hear me out...

    I will agree that Kelly's spread offense, as it is currently run at Oregon, will not work with our current personnel.

    However, if you look at the what makes that offense tick...
    1. They are extremely creative on how they pull O-linemen, and how they block.
    2. They design their passing offense off of how they block for the run. They make use of the screen game extremely impressively, as well as the play action pass game.
    3. They utilize the skill players that they have extremely well, and have designed that system for them.

    Now, the questions are with the QB...can Kelly coach a real pocket passer like Cutler? Does he understand the fundamentals of good QB play?

    But, entertain me. Here are two tutorials on the Oregon offense (through slightly homeresque glasses). It is easy to look at the QB play, but try to pay attention to the everyone but the QB:


    Worst case scenario, it is a bust. Best case scenario, I see a really creative offense...one where Matt Forte and Michael Bush get chunks of yards behind extra blockers on their play sides, and off of that, Jay Cutler wrecks secondaries with play action, bootlegs, and screens.

  • In reply to madscout:

    I wouldn't refer to Jay as a "real pocket passer." He's good outside the pocket. Some would argue that he's a better passer on rollouts than he is when he's standing around doing his Dan Marino impression.

    As far as your worst case scenario goes, that's what we're trying to avoid. We've had busts for over a decade. Let's get some bOom.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    My bad on the pocket passer...I suppose I meant, he is more of a pocket passer than anybody at Oregon.

    And they don't have hogs at Oregon on their O-Line. They have small fast linemen. That offense is all about getting 1 on 1 match ups...and they create that with their blocking schemes with the fast linemen they have.

    I don't want Kelly to come here and run the spread. And, from everything I have read of him, Kelly is not the Mike Martz of the spread, where he is married to it. He runs it because he can recruit guys to run it at Oregon.

    All I want is an interview. If he says, "Let's get rid of Cutler, and draft such and such spread QB", then he can take a hike. But I heard Emery say that he wanted someone who was adaptable, and I think this guy is it.

  • In reply to madscout:

    they don't have hogs on their o-line, but they're also not facing the same beasts linemen in the NFL do.

    i have no problem bringing kelly in for a chat. i was advocating for him myself a couple weeks back. i just don't want to get stuck with a guy who says, "this is my system. we're running it even if we don't have the guys to make it work."

    but if you tell me chip isn't like that, i'll believe you. cause i know you guys are tight.

  • In reply to madscout:

    Sssssssteve Spurrier..... my precioussssssss..... we hates it we do.... hates the Spurrier... NO! College spread offense our friend... yessss... good friend.... good Smeagol... trusts us it doessss......

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wish there was a way to give this a thumbs up...say, how is that new movie about the Hobbitsessss....

  • In reply to madscout:

    the consensus "thumbs up" around here seems to be replying with "+1"

  • In reply to evantonio:

    I accept "+a bajillion" as well. Please see the teller at the back of the room to change out your cash. Yes, we do take Paypal.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Everybody but Irish takes Paypal.

    (Shhh. It's a conspiracy...)

  • In reply to gpldan:

    That was my first thought about Kelly. Too much speed in the NFL for that spread offense to be consistently successful.

  • In reply to madscout:

    Cutler wrecks secondaries with play action, bootlegs, and screens.

    This I like.

  • Fast and Furious and Thorough. Sounds like a houseboat blowjob.


  • In reply to gpldan:

    GPL is on fire!

  • Why is it that Marvin Lewis and us here on this blog are the only ones who knew what Vontaze Burfict could be? Seriously, if the Bears had just picked that kid up and put him in that locker room with Lach, Briggs, Tillman, Pep and let Marinelli get ahold of him what would we have now?!?!?..........Damnit!

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    McClellan's got a motor, damn it!

  • In reply to evantonio:

    He's football smart!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i like this little game we've developed around our most concussed player.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    We could have had both. Burfict went undrafted, anybody could have had him in the 7th round. He seemed to have talked to someone in Cincy though as that contract got signed really quickly. I have to wonder if he would have been able to succeed if drafted by a random Bears team and subjected to the Chicago media (and the coaching change).

    Likewise Alfonzo Denard, who the Pats did take in the 7th. Denard would have been a uniquely bad pick for us as he was ejected from a game for fighting with our very own Alshon Jeffery. Though I have to wonder if they wouldn't have squashed that and become pals as rookies in the same camp. Maybe that's a little too Disney though...

    Part of me wonders if Ryan Leaf or J'Marcuss Russell had gotten in trouble before they were drafted, fallen into the middle or late rounds, and not been treated like team saviors if they wouldn't have faired a bit better.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    J'Marcus Webb was a 7th round pick.

    Not trying to draw any comparisons because there aren't any apt ones to draw. Just saying, that's all.

    I miss Leon Joe.

  • In reply to evantonio:

    He was talking about J'Marcus Russell the bust QB in Oakland. Not our own J-Webb.

  • Weeb Ewbank, Don Shula, Bill Belicheat, Jon Gruden & Tony Dungy were all.....?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Contestants on the Newlywed Game.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Part of the Bill Walsh coaching tree?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:


  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Coaches who won the SB with their second team.

  • You're a smart guy! I was going with GP's answer!

  • Ding! Kewpie Doll for Doc.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    respnonsible foir Benghazi?

  • No that was some guy from Kenya!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No, it was caused by some guy who made a movie that a HS kid could make about Muhammad. That scandal is all but over. The "fall guys" are just about done. Only Hillary's testimony remains, and she's already resigned.

    The Petreus scandal conveniently broke AFTER his testimony on Benghazi. He has since said they knew what the real story was, terrorism, within 24 hours.

    General Carter Ham, four star General and head of AFRICOM during Benghazi has mysteriously went into early retirement. He was supposedly in the situation room the night of the attack and ordered a drone to fly over and tape what was going on.

    This may be a stretch, but Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette, head of a Carrier Strike Group in the Arabian Sea the night of Benghazi, is now under investigation for "inappropriate leadership judgement". In what is considered a very rare move, he was relieved of duty on an active mission 5-6 days before the election and one week after General Ham "unexpectedly" retired.

    UN Ambassador Susan Rice, who went on all the talk shows saying it was a "riot". She lost out on Sec. of State for pushing this WH position. It's too bad, because she has a hell of a good resume and seems to be very intelligent.

    And last but not least, Hillary Rodham Clinton. She said she was going to resign anyway, but who really knows. She bumped her head, so now when she testifies she can conveniently say "I don't recall", or "I must have misspoke". She has lots of experience doing this, so she will do fine and cover the President. BTW, I actually wanted Hillary over Obama in 2008. She actually had leadership skills, unlike the current POTUS.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Look outside... is there a black helicopter circling overhead?

    Btw I'm sure Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette is probably a great guy but his brother Robert is just an amazing singer and actor.

  • What a pathetic retort. You seem to be displaying some cognitive dissonance. I suppose your all for Obama's military build-up in Afghanistan and continuation of Guantanamo Bay.

    You have no informed reply to my post so you try to label me a "kook". Mental midget you are Sac.

  • Not necessary Sac. More than half the electorate will say Benghazi was Bush's fault. It's all they know

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave, you can be confoundingly cynical and naive at the same time. It's endearing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1 (on the first part)

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    That wasn't directed at you Canada. Didn't plan on making a big deal out of the scandal when I started typing. It just pisses me off with all the disinformation regarding this issue.

    What also pisses me off is someone is considered a conspiracy theorist if you have questions about the killing of Osama Bin Laden. We are supposed to believe that without any facts and conflicting stories.

    After all, the US government lies to us all the time. Gulf of Tonkin. The sinking of the Lusitania. WMD in Iraq. And the list goes on.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    ...Pearl Harbor, WTC in 93, OKC bombing, WTC on 9/11, Pentagon 9/11

  • ... JFK, Iran-Contra, Watergate, the stained dress and sticky cigars, an aspirin factory in Sudan, possibly the sinking of the Maine.

    Seriously, the three incidents I mentioned above were all lies to get us involved in wars. Vietnam, WW 1, and Iraq war #2 killed or wounded millions of people on false pretenses.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I stumbled across the movie Fair Game and glad that I did. Catch it if you can:


  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Tobi, I'll have to check the movie out some time. It's not an instant play on Netflix, so I'll have to watch it some other time. I reluctantly backed Iraq war 2 based on Colin Powell's testimony. Turns out it was all bullshit.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Fair Game goes into depth on how the flimsy the WMD rationale for going into Iraq really was. Perhaps there was a valid geopolitical reason for the Iraq war, something that will be apparent decades from now. No doubt, the world is a better place without Saddam but I always felt (and still do) the real menace is Iran. If any country needs to be cut off at the knees, it's that one...

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Well, at least it seems the Zimmerman Telegram was not a fake.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You forgot the sinking of the battleship Maine in Havana Harbor in 1898. But I'm pretty sure that bastard devil is really dead and was never in cahoots with the Bush administration...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Sorry tobi, just seen your reply. I almost included the Maine in my initial post, but wasn't positive on the history of how it sank. One part of the Spanish-American War that is not taught in most history books is the havoc we wreaked on the Philippines.

    I never thought Bin Laden was involved with the Bush administration, just not sure when he died. We know Uday and Qusay and Saddam were all killed. We know Quaddafi was killed. But the American people have never been shown any evidence of whether Bin Laden was actually killed on that raid in Pakistan.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Oliver Stone's name came up earlier somewhere and while no doubt, he can be a bit out there, his series on Showtime "The Untold History of the United States is definitely worth watching....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    From the moment we went back in to Iraq I have firmly believed the larger back story was to get a better foothold in the Middle East to deal with Iran, or whomever poses the next threat. I have no doubt that those crazy bastards will force our hand eventually. As ugly as the situation will be, at least we have bases from which to coordinate what I believe will be a way more difficult task than dealing with Iraq.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    The sea of oil in Iraq doesn't bitter the mix either .... or the Exxon pipeline for Afghanistan.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    I think you are ascribing the characteristics of forethrought and patience to people who lacked both.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Irish if we went to war for oil explicitly it didn't work. I know many people believe this to be true, but it doesn't add up. If fuel was still affordable I might believe it. But it isn't. If we in fact sacrificed so much for oil, where is the payoff? I just don't see it. We're paying the oil exporting countries of the Middle East through the nose. So what did we gain in terms of oil supply?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    No worries. That's why I made a joke of it to start with. When it comes to politics you believe what you believe. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong. I don't share your politics but that's not a big deal. No matter who you like, any politician would lie to your face. It's what they do.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You are a loon.

  • You're a loon.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Loons are lovely birds. Did you see On Golden Pond?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Word brother. JFK, RFK, 9/11 and so it goes ....
    Never hang someone for asking questions.

  • Here'san interesting post I found in the ESPN blog:
    Facts to consider when thinking about Cutler:

    1. In the 69 games played by Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton combined for 11,483 yards with a 55% completion rate, 63 TDs, 62 INTs with a combined Passer Rating of 70.6

    2. In 37 games played with the Broncos, Cutler threw for 9,024 yards with a 62% completion rate, 54 TDs, 37 INTs with a Passer Rating of 87.1

    3. In 55 games played with the Bears, Cutler has 12,292 yards with a 60% completion rate, 82 TDS, 63 INTs with a Passer Rating of 82.5

    4. In Cutler's last season with Denver, he was sacked 16 times on 616 pass attempts while in Chicago, he's been sacked 148 times on 1700 pass attempts...with the exception of 2011 when he missed 6 games, since 2009 he has ranked in the top 5 in being sacked.

    5. Per Football Outsiders, Bears have the 26th ranked offensive line (20 in run blocking and 28th in pass blocking)

    This is pretty impressive, however, I hope Cutler can mesh well with the new OC our HC hires......

  • In reply to OsosFan:

    here's some perspective on the current crop of candidates from John Mullin:


  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Good stuff! Thanks.

  • Apparently there's a new horror flick coming out and apparently my friend told me about the short it's based on and apparently I won't be sleeping tonight...


  • In reply to Shady:

    Yes. See Insidious or Case 39? CASE 39 SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I don't like horror movies... guess I'm a puss.

    Anyway, even the thought of seeing this movie scared the shit out of me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8fKLjC__c

  • Just saw a 1 point safety...

  • There's a lot of talk about Chip Kelly as a potential candidate for head coach of the Bears. I think it's a bad idea. Like gpldan said earlier, think of Steve Spurrier.

    Kelly's a great college coach, but his offense is based around speed. That works great in college, but there is not much difference in speed on most NFL teams. His style of offense just doesn't work in the pros.

    The Bears tried this once with OC Gary Crowton. It was a complete disaster. But when he went back to the college ranks, he was very successful with BYU and LSU.

    Sorry for bringing up the Wannstedt era. I try not to remember that horrible era of Bears football.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I really like the Oregon offense and we use some of the stuff at the high school that I coach at, but it will never work consistently in the NFL in its current state at Oregon. People will say, "but it worked for some teams this year," my response is so did the wildcat a few years ago. Once teams can scheme for it, with the speed in the NFL, I don't see the read option stuff working. Now, if he doesn't want to be stubborn (Spurrier) and incorporate other aspects, the sure it would probably be ok. The Pats run the spread but it is really just the old west coast Bill Walsh offense. Look at all the shallow crosses and quick slants and outs. The thing that I do like about Kelly is his screen game, I think he uses that to perfection. However, in Chicago if he goes on 4-1 and tries a 2pt conversion early in the game and they fail, he will be ran out of town.

  • Awwww....Lovie not getting much respect...or offers for that matter either. Rex is out QB. Gee is Neckbeard available after this season..still liked him. Would be a good back up.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Orton has two more years on his contract with the Cowboys. So unless they cut him....

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Any team would be either desperate or foolish to sign a coach now. The NFL does not allow coordinators on playoff teams to be interviewed right now. I don't remember exactly, but suitors cannot talk with such candidates before the first round of the playoffs - or maybe even the conference championships.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I believe it is until their team is eliminated.

  • Funny story for the day:

    I guess Rex Ryan is hiding out in the Bahamas, laying low while the NYC press shitstorm over Black Monday roils, hoping people aren't asking why he didn't get the boot.

    So, of all newspapers, the UK Daily Mail (think: National Enquirer) sends a reporter down there to stalk him. Here's what they catch...

    ...hold on, I need to catch my breath...

    Ryan has a tattoo of his wife on his arm... wearing.... nothing but a....

    ...wait for it....



    Man, I hope the Jets never fire that guy. He is pure entertainment.

  • In reply to gpldan:


    God, it's worse than I imagined it was.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I thought there would be more emphasis on her feet. I used to hang out in a tattoo shop for a few years and have a bit of ink. That is one shitty tattoo.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Just heard that on 670. Holy shit, that is so wrong and so funny. What can you even say?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And of course everyone believes it's real. Ah, the power of the media.

  • Sac,

    It's Robert Goulet.. Pronounced "Goo-Lay"

    Nice try, though. Goulet was Vegas' poor man's Tom Jones. Or - if you prefer - a better Richard Chamberlain. He kicked it in '07. Will Ferrell used to do a parody of him on SNL, that was chuckle funny in that stupid Will Ferrell is only sometimes funny way.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    He was funny for a few minutes in the Wedding Crashers. Never before, nor since. I think deep down he knows he's not funny. Like David Spader, Ben Stiller, and Sandler.

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