Season in Freefall: Reactions to Packers Loss

Season in Freefall: Reactions to Packers Loss

Here are my rapid fire thoughts from a depressing afternoon on the Lakefront.

  • I believe we have seen the end of the Gabe Carimi era in Chicago. His benching at guard after struggling mightily era should spell his release this spring.
  • This game completely changed on Cutler's mindless interception at the end of the first half. He can not throw that pass. Simply can't throw it. And he certainly can't act surprised because Devin Hester did something wrong.
  • I'm frankly getting tired of the Jay Cutler sideline show. Nobody on this offense seems to have any clue what's going on and Cutler kicking and screaming on the bench isn't making an impact. Just go to the sideline, shut your mouth and wait for your next shot.
  • I have never seen offensive pass interference called on one player like that in my life. Refs didn't decide this game but Alshon Jeffery is owed an apology.
  • And the only reason Jeffery saw man coverage all afternoon was because Dom Capers decided to do everything possible to take Brandon Marshall away. And Marshall STILL scored a touchdown. Jeffery had to step up and I thought he did.
  • Was Kellen Davis targeted a single time yesterday? Was any tight end?
  • Nice start to the game for Corey Wootton and Julius Peppers but where were they in the second half?
  • Charles Tillman has not stopped being great all year.
  • Tim Jennings has been the most meaningful injury suffered by the Bears this year.
  • Other than Lance Louis, is there a single Bears offensive lineman that should return in 2013? Maybe you could sell me on Roberto Garza - who commits false starts like he invented them - but I'd argue the Bears need four new bodies.
  • The cross-field throw on the punt return was the single dumbest call of the season. How can Mike McCarthy think the Bears were alive in this game? Why would he toss them a lifeline? That play was legitimately insane.
  • At some point Lovie Smith is going to take DJ Moore off Randall Cobb right? Was the game plan really to leave Moore on whomever is in the slot even if its the opposition's best receiver? (I'm going to make this the centerpiece of my conversation with Cam Worrell this week.)
  • I actually thought Devin Hester had a bit of a burst yesterday on returns. Bears should let him keep doing those.
  • You see how the Packers run their passing game behind a bad offensive line? They make quick drops and take the 3-5 yard completion. They take their shots down the field, of course, but those shots are catalyzed by success underneath. The Bears do none of this stuff. Their entire game seems predicated upon sitting Cutler into a deep pocket. And it's terrible. The passing game was far more dynamic under Mike Martz. I don't see how the Bears allow Mike Tice to call plays in Arizona.
  • It didn't matter but burning time outs early in the third quarter is the act of a coach who doesn't seem to mind he may be fired.
  • Joe Anderson played special teams like he has no interest in visiting the practice squad again. And he shouldn't. He should also be given a chance to catch some passes before the end of the year.
  • The play calling at the goal line...wow. That was the definition of unexciting. Why not just take knees and kick the field goal?

I'd like to see the Bears win these final two games, finish the season at 10-6 and figure out this offense in the spring (with or without a coaching change). But I have not seen enough from this team over the last few weeks to believe they're capable of winning back-to-back road games. We shall see.

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    First to say "On to the Draft".

  • Randy Moss got called last night for OPA for the same ticky-tack hand slap that Jefferies got called on.

    Mark these words; in a season with a ref strike and serious questions about the validity of this game and how it's structured, a ref will call OPA on a wideout in this year's Super Bowl to decide the game. And, it will mark yet another torpedo into the stern of an NFL that is taking on water.

    On the last throw, Jefferies did not touch Shields. He didn't touch him. Shields posturing and jawing made me wish Jefferies clocked the little prick, but the problem was, the refs were there to teach Jefferies a lesson, and it didn't matter that Shields initiated that hold. If Jefferies wasn't a rook, they wouldn't have done it. Period. Another broadside into the NFL's credibility.

    Urlacher is trying to save his career and hang on for one more year by trying to rally behind Lovie. Acting with an "ah well, we'll get them next time" bullshit disinterest, the reporters finally goaded him into throwing Chicago football fans under the bus. "We're the only team in the division that gets booed at home. It's ridiculous." Fuck you, Brian. I've heard Minnesota fans rip the Vikes a new one. Detroit just doesn't care, there's barely anybody sentient living in the city.

    I wouldn't be shocked to see Halas Hall rebuke him. He wants us to cheer and sit on your hands when they implode. Wake up, this city is like Philly or New York, we don't tolerate bullshit effort. You made a fortune on this city's good will, you Child Support dodger. Fuck you. The Bears made a fortune on the city taxpayer's dime. Fuck them. We pay taxes, shit for brains. As far as I'm concerned, you're a public servant.

    But he knows once Lovie goes, Old Sauce goes - they all go. And he goes. And nobody else wants a broken down warhorse that can't shed a block and can't run anymore.

    Prediction: Carmini makes an NFL career with another team. At tackle. He'll heal up and condition his legs and work on his arm strength and get 5 years in.

    Jeff, Jennings is a meaningful injury, but this is not the same team without Henry Melton in there.

    The stand at the goal line was the epitome of two decades of Bear football.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Also, the 49ers have a couple of studs at safety. God damn. That's the best safety duo in football, forget that the Pats made a crazy run on them, they hammered Welker and Hernandez and taught them a lesson Ronnie Lott style. Don't tell me it didn't affect them, either, Hernandez alligator armed the pic on the very next play after they laid him out. That was fucking old school.

    Pats aren't going anywhere without Gronk in the playoffs.

    Packers get Nelson back and Woodson back for the playoffs and they could be dangerous again. Their D is radically suspect, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them go back to Atlanta and do it again. Their safeties suck.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Lastly, Peppers has stopped being a factor. He's gotten paid, he's wrapping it up. His foot is shot.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh and I actually threw a towel, as in throwing the towel in, at the television when Bears started taking early 3rd quarter time outs, because coaches couldn't get the play in.

    That was it. That was the culmination of an unprepared and undercoached team. It was sick. Lovie must go.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Covered in jet fuel and smoking furiously GP.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    didn't he have 2 sacks yesterday?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The only question is whether the Bears do anything because he was on the Fox32 show instead of the CBN show on Fox32.

    Other than throwing the fans under the bus, that seems the usual thing that an arrogant insider who thinks he knows it all would do. Since I mentioned bus, no different than Forest Claypool. Lovie wouldn't throw the fans under the bus, but, speaking corporate speak, would otherwise imply that he knows more about football than anybody. Except, now with his head on the chopping block, he is admitting a little more that the team isn't playing well.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    why do we tolorate people like gpldan

  • In reply to frankie5134:

    who in thee fuck are you clown?

    When you're here for 4-5 seasons in the offseason constantly adding value you can say that shit... but who in thee fuck are you?!?!

  • Second? Oh Well...

    This sucks....

    Another game that was winnable...Not enough.

    On to bext year.

  • DOH..OK third...

  • I'll add:
    -->At least a couple of times, Rodgers was able to put the pass right where Jones's hands were (especially the first TD). Cutler can't do that; all he can do is high for Marshall to jump for it, or into the interceptor's hands.
    -->Ref or no ref, it was obvious that Jeffery was not winning the battle with Shields. So, after the called back TD, I'm not sure why they kept going to him.
    -->If Carimi is toast, then that's another blown Angelo first round draft pick.
    -->How can a center false start? Unlike other players, he should know when he is hiking the ball.
    -->The main discussion on the Uncle Fuzzy and Me show was that whether the lateral was an idiot play, or GB was just saying "we can do what we want, and the Bears can't do anything about it?" At least anything more than 3 points.

  • In reply to jack:

    Not sure, but I think if you move the ball too much (many centers tip the ball up a little when in the set position to get a good grip) it's a false start. And "too much" is no doubt a subjective thing.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    It might also be head bobbing.

    However, my question was not so much about the rules, as how can a center do something that stupid? At least I can understand that some other lineman didn't hear the count.

  • In reply to jack:

    jay cutler needs to take a good look at himself and stop blammimg others for his mistakes

  • After our goal line attempt to run the ball up the middle numerous times...I was actually screaming at the TV when they showed Tice looking at the play book..."Please someone take that playlist away from that ass wipe!"

    I'm not going to say that was the ONLY problem we have but my God that guy is over his head...

    It's time for Emery to get the nod from the old lady and start cleaning house!

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    And then throw in the times out for "they don't seem to get the play in," according to Aikman. I don't think that Payton Manning has to get the coordinator's permission first.

    Hence, could the Bears ever run a hurry up offense?

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Here's an idea: fire Emery, as well.

    I don't know what his contract says, or if that's feasible.

    The only way we get fixed is going and getting a coach with a proven track record and a team behind him. At this stage, I don't know who that is, all I got is wooing Chucky away from Tennessee. Let him be HC/GM and get the fuck out of the way.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Fire Emery after 1 year? Thats brilliant GP. Put the crack pipe down my man.

  • Dude, you're an idiot sometimes.

    Emery is a sham, a fake GM. And everybody who writes seriously about the NFL knows it.

    No new regime wants him. No decent coach wants a dickweed he has no respect for to be his boss. Think Harbuagh would report to a moron like Emery? Go get your shine box.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You frequently talk out of your balloon knot, GP.

    Does Hub Arkush qualify as someone who writes seriously about the NFL? Read some of his thoughts, or listen to him on the radio about Emery. He is a real GM, with the very real ability to fire Lovie. The only stipulation when he was hired was that Lovie would be around for 2012. Beyond that he has just as much power as any other GM in the league. You know it all jackass.

    Do you really believe that 89yr old Virginia McCaskey has any say, whatsover on the football side of things?

  • "Do you really believe that 89yr old Virginia McCaskey has any say, whatsover on the football side of things?"

    Unfortunately, I really do. But I also beleive Emery has the power to fire Lovie without approval. And I also beleive, the more I think about it, that he will.

  • "Do you really believe that 89yr old Virginia McCaskey has any say, whatsover on the football side of things?"

    If nothing else, that shows what happens when Muggs died early and the trust was distributed per capita instead of per stirpes.

    She doesn't call in the plays, but supposedly Lovie has a spell over her.

    Also, if she were a rational fiduciary, she would have sold the franchise, instead of leaving it for her innumerable offspring to use as a toy.

  • Coach it's her team. She can do whatever she wants. I don't think she butts in very often but she does sign the checks. When Mikey fucked up the McGinnis signing, she spanked his ass right out of his job.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    She spends 90% of her time trying to not shit her pants. She's fucking 89 years old you conspiracy theory dickheads! I bet the next thing you say is that the McCaskeys are cheap, and they need a coach with "fire"

  • Come on Coach you know I'm not one of those guys. Virginia isn't going to micro-manage the team but if she tells George to do something, I'm pretty sure George would do it.

  • I'd say she pretty much says who the coach is or isn't. And she likes Forrest.

  • Oh jebus, ckuf you man.

    Yes, she does. Ted listens to him.

    Emery can't fire Lovie without asking Ted. He can't even PROPOSE it.

    Phil Emery can't even wipe his ass without Ted's blessing.

    And yeah, you fucking know it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I honestly don't care who the head coach is as long as he doesn't piss away timeouts and do stupid stuff in the middle of a game. I want a bastardly offensive line built from scratch. Everything else seems to work once you get that down.

    Ironically, getting Cutler hurts us in the long run. It was always going to unless we got a trophy out of it. You need to use picks, not give them away. Brandon Marshall being an exception .... and not use them on players like Chris Williams and Gabe Carimi.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Not to defend Tice, but I do remember him saying once this year something along the lines of "sometimes, you have to just man up and make a block".

    So it's on the blockers too. Although why they did not do a quick snap QB sneak will remain a mystery to me.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Also in fairness to tice, if there's not a jack man on the line who can block anybody then how is any playblook going to work out?

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    I hate to say i told you so but i told you so if you go back anf check my comments will say now what i said then mike tice doed not know how to call a football game plain and simple

  • Ugh. The frustration by Cutler is understandable and is probably directed at more than just Hester. I mean, how would you feel if you threw an INT like that when the game is tied 7-7, regardless of whose fault it is? I don't even know how Cutler can look into Rodger's eyes anymore at the end of these games. He is definitively thinking, "Wow. I wish I had been able to develop like that. Maybe if Shanny stayed in Denver, I could have been a great QB." Hester is not to blame. He and Cutty could work, but not in the way the team uses them. The comment by Jeff about how the Packers play behind a bad offensive line is right on point. There are ways to work around problems like that, but the Bears don't have the staff to do it. Martz was a stubborn f*ck, but I think he eventually figured out what works for these Bears. I bet you Cutler wishes he had him back.

    You know the sad thing is that this team could work with Lovie as a head coach if only we had a decent OC. Bates may be it, but I am afraid Lovie is gone after this season. Say what you want, but Lovie knows a thing or two about defense and has usually kept the Packers games close. If only our offense could generate points, we'd be all set.

  • In reply to ShowMeHowToCutty:

    "If only our offense could generate points" should be engraved on Lovie's tombstone.

    I also don't buy into his Ds being dominant. Sure, they get takeaways and look good on paper, but where were they yesterday when they NEEDED a stop on 3rd and twice on 4rth?

    True, the Packer games are usually close, but that's not necessarily because our D does anything special. The Lions and Vikings play GB close too. The Steelers-Raven's games are usually close, and they play a 3-4. Divisional games are often tight, and rarely shootouts, esp in the NFCN.

    The real marker should be WINS, and the Bears have lost to the Pack 6 STRAIGHT TIMES.

  • The D? Urlacher was out, as wasTJ, Melton and Craig Steltz (who should be starting). I'd say that's a pretty understrength D that was out on the field.

    Meanwhile, Seattle's defense continues to drop 50-burgers like it ain't no thang.

  • The only consolation is, perspective can be found instantly at any news site. I'll take this demoralizing replay of last years depressing season and be thankful for it.

  • I don't get the calls for firing Emery. Like the rest of us, I doubt he foresaw Carimi's outcome. Nor do I believe he had any decision making authority over coaches THIS SEASON.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    That's right. He was told that he had to keep Lovie for this year, and supposedly Lovie has complete control with regard to hiring his coaching staff.

    I had said at the time of the press conference that they had emasculated Emery so that the GM was just a scout for Lovie. We'll see if it is any different this offseason.

  • If you fail to score when in the red zone, you fail to win games.

  • Tough game to process. Reminds me of Bear teams of the 70s and obviously not in a good way. Inept offense, good defense, a nagging feeling that the game was winnable if the calls went our way, but ultimately realizing that they would have lost even if they did.

    Packers scored all the points they needed, but probably could have scored more if they had to. The trick play on the punt return was insulting and hopefully the Bears take it as such. The Packers used it for practice, realizing correctly we were no threat to win the game even if they gave us the ball there.

    I’m more convinced than ever that Lovie need to go; the graphic about the offense rank over his tenure is proof in my mind. Like it or not, the league emphasizes offense. But why won’t he simply state the obvious – the offense has been a huge disappointment. No need to call out players – just state the simple fact. He implicitly seems to continually expect the defense to win the games.

    As Marshall said, there is no accountability. I truly think he was calling out Lovie Smith. That’s why he was measuring his words so carefully.

    I’ll save my mixed feelings for Cutler, in part because as said before the chance of us getting a good QB is low, and we need too much else (OL and TE) to go that route now.

    But to be honest, it’s Cutler who ought to be giving us the hometown discount. Give him a decent off and if he wants to walk, let him.

    Last point – I don’t think Lovie ever sends video to the league asking for clarification on calls. I wish he would make an exception, if for no other reason than to show some gumption. Maybe every call I’m thinking of was right (too numerous to mention, but there are actually 9 of them I have in mind) but I doubt it. I know it could look like he’s blaming the refs for the loss, but I’d like him to make a point.

    If those were really all OPI, then Jeffrey needs to change his technique quick. Which reminds me, others have said Drake is our worst assistant. Have to agree.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Trust me when I tell you that they were not all OPI's. We got robbed on 2 of those and on Conte's bullshit PI call.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I can't imagine Cutler will be offered more than $10 mil/yr. That's pretty much what his last contract was. He hasn't done anything to earn a raise and I doubt he could make more than that on the open market.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    maybe so Canada but I would like you to picture the last few years and insert another QB that you consider quality into your mental image. If you think that anyone could have done any better with the complete failures from an organizational standpoint and from just the O Line alone you're not being reasonable. To say he has done nothing to earn a raise???? How about by staying alive?

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Johnny I'm not a Cutler basher and I know we have the worst OL and TE's in the league. Probably the worst OC too. However, Cutler hasn't really distinguished himself. Also, with all the concussions and his refusal to play safer, it's a real risk. I like Cutler. I just don't see him getting more than !0 mil/yr. Let's be honest. That's a lot of money!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    The only way Jay takes that kind of salary is if they ask him to stay there because they need some of that money for talent in other places. Real talent.

    I'm sure they will work it out. It is telling that Jay changed his tune about "retiring as a Bears" to "staying here awhile".

    It's up to Emery to step up....and if we have ultimate success this year.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    It will be interesting to see how it plays out. It's not like Jay is Emery's guy.

  • In reply to BillW:

    There was also Jeffery's hand to Shields's face mask that was called defensive pass interference on Shields. But I guess that the Bears fans forgot that.

  • In reply to jack:

    If Jack is a troll then I apologize for responding, but I think something needs to be clarified on that call, because "urban legend" is taking over (just like the "urban legend" that GB id not benefit from any replacement ref bad calls in the Fail Mary game.)

    Jeffery clearly grabbed the facemask - however Sheilds also interfered. They didn't call pass interference on Shields due to the facemask. It shouled have been offseting penalties.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Somehow the Bears got the yardage without Jeffery catching the ball in that instance, and a flag was thrown. Go back to the tape.

  • In reply to BillW:

    And I am referring to BEFORE all the times that Jeffery was called.

  • In reply to jack:

    Come on - read my response again.

    I agree Jeffrey shoudl have been called for face mask. But he wasn't, presumably because the ref didn't see it.

    Shields was called for PI for an action that was unrealted to the face mask that presumably wasn't seen by the official. Hence the yardage he got.

    I said it SHOULD have been offsetting penalties, not that it was.

  • In reply to BillW:

    "...As Marshall said, there is no accountability. I truly think he was calling out Lovie Smith..."
    -- Jack

    No, not Smith (imo). If he was referring to anyone on the coaching staff, it was Tice. He specified, "accountability on the offense."

    I thought Marshall may have been very subtly pointing a finger at Tice before the game as well, when he praised the Packers defensive coordinator.

    Cutler said today that Marshall was referring to players, not coaches. Maybe so. But if so, I think he was referring to that fact that guys who continually fail are not taken out of the lineup by the coaches, ie., held accountable. So it's still a knock on the coaching staff.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Could be. But what players? Biggs said they pulled linemen left and right (litterally) through the game. Maybe he means they ought to cut someone outright to send a message?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Hester? I don't know, I thought he was referring to Tice.

  • In reply to BillW:

    The Packers used it for practice, realizing correctly we were no threat to win the game even if they gave us the ball there.

    Have to disagree with this. You don't practice trick plays in games. The whole point is to catch your opponents off guard when you need to, not to give them film to study.

    McCarthy's no doubt a far superior game-planner to Lovie, but he's capable of making tactical decisions that are every bit as baffling.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Calling out Lovie is exactly what fucking happened right there. People can slack off and there's a really slooooow comeback from management.

    Somebody was quoting comparative stats about the 85 defense and this one, and I was surprised to see it. Especially before they'd actually won a superbowl - but when you compare the palyers, there is no comparison. Watching the 85 defense it LOOKed and LOOKS ferocious. Apart from Peanut this year, nobody has looked better than their counterpart in 85. Maybe TJ.

  • In reply to BillW:

    He did two-hand shove on one of those. That's pretty obvious. The others are a judgment call probably, and a rookie like Jeffery is probably not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

  • *decent offer. Notr advocating anything else. Very unfortunate slip given the real world issues shown in CT.

  • Tice, Hester, Carimi and Davis have to be gone by next year surely.

  • According to Spotrac.com Hester has $12.8 million in 2013 $1.8 base salary and $11million in bonuses.
    He is clearly not the same player as in previous years. Trade him now.

  • In reply to MonkeyNuts:

    I've posted numerous times on this. The bonuses are earned if he is a #1 WR. No production=no bonuses.

  • In reply to MonkeyNuts:

    A) His contract is incentive laden and if he doesnt perform he doesnt get paid.
    B) I'm not sure which is worse, your statements made without knowledge of the facts or your user name.

  • In reply to MonkeyNuts:

    You're never going to get that much back in a trade, but at least you could possibly get something, even if it's a mid-round pick or two. He's definitely not worth close to that. Almost any returner would give us his production this year, and he's a liability as a receiver.

  • Jesus. Go here:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-brad-biggs-10-thoughts-20121217,0,6123361,full.story

    Read #3 of Brad Biggs 10 thoughts, paying special attention to the next-to-last paragraph, especially the last two sentences of that paragraph. So Lovie.

    If Smith doesn't give this guy a chance on offense... I don't have the words.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The #3 "thought" is about Joe Anderson, his will to succeed, and the fact that he turned down repeated offers by the Eagles after the Bears dumped him from the practice squad to make room for something or other, I forget.

    The the next-to-last paragraph reads:
    "Joe earned his way on,” Smith said. “He came in, didn’t know much about him at all. He’s a tough guy. Works hard. His primary role will be on special teams. That’s where he is..

    How many times have we heard statements like that from Lovie? He means it. Forget about Anderson as a receiver. Fuck.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I wish I could read Biggsy's 10 thoughts but I refuse to pay for Tribune content as long as they employ Rosenbloom (and for that mater Haugh and Pompei).

  • In reply to BillW:

    I am still able to log in to the Trib and believe me, I have not/will not pay to do so.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Yeah, I don't pay either. Clear your cookies, BillW.

  • In reply to BillW:

    just clear your cookies/cache and you can log right back on as if you were never there.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Can't do that at work. But I will at home and read it. Thanks.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I remember the last pre season game and Joe Anderson earned a roster spot. He caught passes and I remember his play clearly showed that a ball thrown to him is "his ball". He's a physical receiver. He played like a man possessed on special teams.Sure got my attention. With all the poor play by receivers this year why don't young hungry players get a chance to earn playing time. Just another example of why Smith must be shown the door.

  • Tice has been absolutely terrible this season. I think you have to let Bates call the plays for the next 2 weeks just to see if that is something that is viable for next season. If it is not then you have to think replacing the OC is the first thing to be done this off season. I also would be open to changing to a 3-4 defense (which I know will never happen) but I think it would fit our players. Peppers and Shea at OLB with Wooten and Melton at DE and Paea at Nose, Briggs and Roach in the middle. I just think this fits us better right now.

    Kind of wish we would have taken Dennard in the 7th, would have been a good nickle.

    If we are talking about the off season, the question is who do we take in round 1. A MLB, CB, OL, or TE? This is going to be a very tough decision.

  • In reply to do53:

    The great oracle Hub says that the personnel aren't suited to the 3-4.

    Marv Levy said that the only reason Buffalo used it was that they had 4 good linebackers. I don't think the Bears have that.

  • In reply to do53:

    I'd love to see the Bears give that a try, assuming Peppers can still run, what with his advancing age and that bum foot, neither of which stopped him from outrunning everybody to get to Adrian Peterson on this play:

    http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/187uh25vnxx6bgif/original.gif

  • Well,

    Not much to say, other than ......

    http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/clay-matthews-dirty-dancing-12-16-12.gif

    Besides, I think you've all suffered enough

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Oh yeah, and The Bears Still Suck.

    but you guys knew that already

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Ha ha. Did you see Jonathan Scott there? He was 1 second away from ripping Goldilock's dirty head off and ramming his dick down it's throat.

    Good luck in the playoff's with that kicker of yours.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I seriously got physically ill when I saw him do that. I thought his own teammates would step in and say "for God's sake, STOP IT!)

  • In reply to BillW:

    +100 to Jonathan Scott. My worst memory from the SF game was watching Aldon Smith dance on Chicago's side of the ball while Carimi looked away, pretending not to mind. At least Scott has a little pride left.

  • Frustration, Defined:

    Watching the Bear offense STUMBLE ABOUT while the Redskins roll up 300+ yards passing with their BACKUP, 2nd ROOKIE, QB at the helm. ON THE ROAD.

    The Packer O-Line has been no better (even worse?) than the Bears for the last 2+ seasons.

    A-Rod is the most sacked QB in the NFL.

    Green Bay's running game strikes fear only into Packer fans.

    And yet, they manage to OWN the NFC North (12 straight division wins now, I believe ) and Rodgers has no problem throwing 30+ TD passes a season while NOT averaging anywhere near a pick thrown per game.

    Very hard to watch.

    Time to let Jeremy Bates call the plays.
    Can he be worse than Mike "I can't even get the plays called in a timely manner" Tice?

    I doubt it.

    Even money they go 10-6, save Lovie's job but just get to watch the playoffs.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Let's stop comparing to Rodgers. He is probably the greatest QB I've ever seen. And I go all the back to Starr and Unitas. The guy simply WILL NOT make a mistake. And he freely admits he learned that (in a backward way) from watching Favre throw it up for grabs so often. Even most of his sacks are the right decision.

    But your point on the Washington backup is excellent. That's what you get from an offensive minded head coach that makes it a PRIORITY to have a real scheme. It's obvious that offense is an afterthought to Lovie. He ALWAYS mentions turnovers in his comments after a loss rather than realizing those are shoudl not be necessary to win. But a decent (not great) offense IS necessary.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Shiiiiit. Rodgers drops the ball like it might hurt him when he gets sacked. Too bad the Bears didn't have Melton yesterday.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He takes sacks in a position that minimizes the change of injury. Unlike Cutler, who still tries to throw it and gets hit high/low.

    Of course, if Cutler took sacks like Rodgers his critics would feed on it. The point being, you have to EARN respect and the benefit of the doubt.

    Cutler plays so small in big games I've stopped defending him to others.

  • In reply to BillW:

    he had 120yds called back just in throws to Alshon yesterday and a TD.

    OC doesn't let him take even 1 shot on 1st and 5?

    He had one real error yesterday. How is that playing small? It's just not that black and white.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Look where Cutler is on this list. Note that he has fewer games (91) than many of the others on the list, and that he's dropped a few spots in the last several weeks alone, through no fault of his own.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    WRONG LINK. Try this one:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_active.htm

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I know what Cutler is as a QB and I've defended him for years now. Clearly one of the top talents in the league, but can never rise above. And let's say for the sake of arguement that the three OPIs were correct (as Pereira believes). Then he did not have 120 yards called back - they are penalties for a reason. Used his arm - according to the refs and Pereira - to get open so those yards can't be credited to Cutler.

    But I get it - he is the best we've ever had in my lifetime but not able to rise above the problems the O has and somehow lead them to victory despite it. Most QBs can't o that. I watched the Hester play a few times - and Cutler had enough time to see that Hester was in the wrong spot and not throw it. Given I assume he knew it was Hester, Cutler should have consider that as a possiblilty. Like he ignored the TEs (though maybe they were left in to block the whole game.

    When Cutler wins a big game, then I'll go back to supporting him. The next two don't count becasue they are against losing teams. He needs a better line and better receivers, but at some point really good QBs can take over a game despite that. Not sure anymore that he can, which means he's good but nearer to mediocre than really good.

    I'ts just that "mediocre to good" is the best we've had since Miller.

  • In reply to BillW:

    OK - too quick again. I cotradicted myslef by calling him a top talent and then saying he was good to mediocre.

    That's what Cutler does to me - can't figure out in my mind what he really is.

  • In reply to BillW:

    For four seasons I've watched Cutler get the crap beat out of him. I wonder if he has become damaged goods. What could he of become if he still played for the Shanihans.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Anothter thing Rodgers learned from Favre was sucking up to the refs. It makes you sick but it is the smart thing to do.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    He has turned into a whiney prima donna this year.

  • In reply to BillW:

    No doubt. I can't stand the guy personally but he's a great QB. Minimizes the risks, accurate as hell, knows when to throw it scramble or do the el-foldo. Plus he's a gigantic ass kisser with the refs and they coddle and protect him (just like Brady, Brees, both Mannings, etc.).

  • Hester scares nobody as a receiver. Well, except Bear fans.
    Time to end that experiment.

    Alshon Jeffrey has the talent to be the real deal opposite Marshall.

    Those OPI calls didn't cost the game but that does not make them any less aggregious, expecially the one called by an official who was in a different area code (probably Wisconsin?) and punctuated by the no-call on 4th down when Sam Shields a handful of blue jersey TWICE on the same play.

  • Mike Pereira says the three OPIs were all correct; Shields should have been called for DPI at the end; and that Peppers hit was called because it was helmet to helmet. All in the SunTime blog today (sorry - can't get the link because that site is locking up on my computer.) Said both the helmet hits and OPI are being emphasized.

    Doesn't say anything about Conte's call.

    Gosh - I feel SO much better now.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Fuck Pereira. Let him address the inconsistency in the way the refs call the game. Apparently you can have two guys hold a receiver 8yds down the field without a penalty.

    Then when 2 guys are locked up and handfighting you call 3 OPI's??? I call bullshit. It's just not the case.

    People were worried about inconsistency with the replacement refs????

  • Ok, I understand that seeing Jay Cutler's "antics" is getting old for everyone, however, the media does over-saturate looking at Cutler ONLY when he is pissed off or upset. Which is quite often. Even if other players are visibly upset on the sideline, they rarely pan over to them.

    Cutler makes mistakes that can be bone-headed....but so do other players! Again, why is it bad that when something isn't going right (which is often) on the Bears, almost no one shows emotions? Now Brandon Marshall is being knocked on for his post-game interview. When the organization can't do anything for its players correctly, it can get emotionally tough to just try your best and still see everything fall apart around you.

  • In reply to burntorangenavyblue:

    I've seen this movie too many times too. Along with Urlacher's dumb rant against the fans that pay his salary. It's part of the meltdown. Given how Lovie's teams usually avoid this, it's a sign of dissension (relatively).

    I say again, even if indirectly, Marshall was calling out the coaches - maybe not Lovie but maybe so too.

  • Please note: stop buying his jersey, because he doesn't give a fuck.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-urlacher-fans-smith-20121217,0,5307393.story

    I didn't have much fucking respect to start with for his off the field personality, but I think that oughta seal it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And you gotta know Lovie is getting shitcanned when CANELLIS and the FOX TEAM go near the subject.

    Outside of Larry 'The Tool' Mayer, Canellis is practically on the fucking Bears payroll.

  • Da Coach! This one's for you, ya fucktard. read slowly and carefully, there will be a quiz.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/da-bears-blog/2009/12/its-time-for-virginia-halas/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow, a link to a blog post from 2009. Indisputable proof that Emery holds no power, and our real GM is an old lady.

  • I found my contribution to that 2009 post. Came up as a different name though, not quite sure why:

    I agree that the McCaskey's need to step up, but I don't think Betty White is or should be the one to do it. She's old, she so old its reasonable to assume she invented the handjob. Mike McCaskey is the one that needs to live up to his family heritage and turn this shit show around.

  • Mike McCaskey was already given the keys to the Lambo and he puked on the italian leather after drinking Chocolatinis. He will not be allowed to take any more girls to the movies in that automobile.

    George, the current recipient of "luckiest man alive/who wants to run a football team" award for being born into that family and having no skill to do the job, is on the clock. Virigina could die from sneezing at this point so George needs to trust someone better than himself to do the job correctly.

    Let's ruin some other team's season before we call it a day.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Thanks. Now I know why Johnny likes cat similes.

    http://www.chicagonow.com/da-bears-blog/2009/12/its-time-for-virginia-halas/#comment-10179

    I'm a dog simile person myself.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    i have to admit, i do love me a nice friendly cat that will curl up on your lap on a cold winter's day.

    Let's see how this banged up team finishes up before we start talking about canning anyone. I predict 10-6 now and playoffs.because I want another shot at the Packers after found a way to give them this one.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Someone told me that Raquel Welch once brought a cat onto the Johnny Carson show. At some point she asked Johnny if he'd like to pet her pussy, and he replied, "Get that damn cat off your lap and I will." Don't know if it's true.

    I think the Bears will finish 10-6, but they're going to need a lot of help to get into the playoffs. I hope they get it. This team can't take two disastrous mid-season nosedives in a row. It seems like they're already getting to the point that they expect to lose.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/zsazsa.asp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRR1aKBOCOQ

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Thanks. Great video. I thought the cat story sounded fishy.

    The same guy who told me the cat story also said Johnny once asked Arnold Palmer's wife if there was anything special she did to help him during a tournament. She said she sometimes warmed his balls for him, and Johnny replied, "I'll bet that makes his putter rise." Also false, I suppose.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I admit, that does sound better than being rousted out of bed at 3:00am to let the dog out on a cold, rainy winter morning. The dog is sound asleep now, and I'm staring at a computer screen, dead tired and unable to sleep.

  • Jeff,

    If you make the change to Jeremy Bates this week in order to audition for the job next year, you are fucking yourself over.

    The Bears offense can't do much, but they sure can beat up on tomato cans.

    It doesn't matter who's calling plays in Arizona and Detroit; the offense will stall for three series, wait for the defense to either score or take the ball away with favorable field position, and allow Cutler-to-Marshall finish the game with 2-3 TDs.

    If you let Jeremy Bates hit from the red tees during an audition for 2013, you're gonna like what you see in AZ and DET and you're gonna give him the job. And then you're gonna get your ass kicked again next year against NFL competition.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    And I'm not even saying that canning Tice in favor of Bates is a bad idea; In fact, it would most likely improve the offense (Promoting Mike Tice was a joke in the first place. I never understood it. I can only hope the Bears replace Smith with even more incompetence, as they did when going from Martz to Tice).

    But please, don't try and use tape from the next two weeks, against two deflated and ignominious ballclubs, in order to make any evaluations of consequence. It would be a catastrophic error.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    I hope the Bears hire a proven OC to replace Tice. But I don't get your contempt for Arizona and Detroit as tests of an offensive coordinator. Both teams have allowed fewer yards passing than Green Bay.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    The point is that, especially in the case of Arizona, that the CHI defense will be able to contain the opposition for as long as it takes for Cutler and company to get something going on offense. And the Bears D will most likely force a turnover deep in the opponents territory and possibly even score.

    Ultimately, this Bears offense has excelled with the wind at their backs this entire season, and has done virtually nothing this year when faced with any type of adversity, outside of a single deep ball from cutler to marshall at the end of the Seattle game. It's just going to be Tennessee and Jacksonville all over again, with the final offensive production being more a consequence of the defense putting the game out of reach than positive offensive playcalling (which is what you would be looking for if auditioning Jeremy Bates).

    Essentially, you'd be duped. Chicago has had no problem scoring points against lousy teams this year. That should continue throughout the next two weeks, regardless of OC.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    You forgot the Carolina game. The Bears offense scored 10 4th quarter points to beat the Panthers by 1. Oh yeah Carolina sucks, except that their defense is ranked much higher than Green Bay's against both the pass and the rush. Face it, Cheese, Green Bay's defense is no test. The only dirty dancing Clay Matthews will do against a balanced team like the 49ers or the Giants will be writhing in the sod.

    I would not be duped. If Bates takes over, he will have no time to install his own offense. He will be working with the playbook the Bears already have. If he makes better use of it, and if he uses his players better, that would be a positive, but it won't say much about what kind of coordinator he would be. I know that. I know that going in. Your entire argument is a waste of keystrokes.

    On the other hand, if Bates makes the same mistakes as Tice, that would tell us something worth knowing. Capisce?

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    Quality offensive OC candidates won't come to Chicago because of Smith. Chicago is the offensive graveyard of the league.

  • Ok Lovie...this weeks game is a "must win"...wrongo asshole..every game since the SF asswhoopin you guys got has been a must win....how you guys doing so far....,what an assclown!

  • LOVIE MUST GET TERMINATED!!!

    That is all.

  • Call Arnold and tell him to "Suit Up". Remember what he said: "I'll be bahh..ck"

  • A few side notes on Cutler.

    He is a bit of an enigma. Been that way since Vandy. A lot of "whispers" pegged him as an arrogant primadonna fucktard with a big arm and little else, and his demeanor doesn't help the cause.

    There's a reason McDaniels started shopping around for other QBs when he took over the job with the Broncs. Yeah, McDaniels is a fuctard too (takes one to know one, right?), but going from Brady to Cutler probably left a bad taste in his mouth. Also, keep in mind, that McDaniels began shopping for other QBs even though Cutler was very young and just off a 4,500 yd season. Say what you will about McDaniels, but he knows a little bit about offense and QB play (like Martz), and where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

    Cutler, at best, can be a Schaub level QB. The Texans have a great Oline and RB and scheme to limit Schaub, but will it be enough? Don't know, that's what we're going to find out this year because the Texans are the team we were all hoping the Bears would be this year, even with some of the same questions (is the QB good enough? Will they choke against elite competition like they did with the Pack and Pats?).

    I say we let Cutler ride out his contract next year, and if he's still making the same bonehead ints like yesterday, then time to move on and rebuild. If you're truly a "Cutler fan", then this would be good for him too. The only complication would be Marshall...

  • 7-1...did this team give a damn about any of us?! Why did we for them? I launched my peppers jersey out the window and am gonna give my cutler away..we buy the merch for what? Do any of those fuck players care about us?! Im out...fuck these fuck stick bears

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    I'll take the Cutler jersey.

  • In reply to 505 Bears!!:

    you're a fucking dork. Don't come back to the blog nerdball.

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