Chicago Bears at Minnesota Vikings Game Thread

Chicago Bears at Minnesota Vikings Game Thread

Three final thoughts:

  • If the Bears don't win today they'll face a mighty difficult road to the postseason so an argument can be made on today being a must win. If the Bears lose the focus will immediately shift to Lovie Smith's future with the club.
  • No excuses from either side of the ball today. Cutler and the offense need to put up 28 points or more and the defense needs to mildly contain AP while limiting Christian Ponder's connections with Kyle Rudolph. If those three things don't happen, folks start receiving blame.
  • I like that Brandon Marshall wants to "carry a bigger load" but how in the hell is that possible? Cutler-to-Marshall is already the entirety of the Bears offense. How about a running game emerge and dominate the line of scrimmage?

Big game. As always you can follow my thoughts throughout the day and during tonight's Lions v. Packers game by checking out @dabearsblog on Twitter.

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  • 1st to say, may the Meows win (I just threw-up a little in my mouth) and the Queens lose so that we may be in sole possession of 1st!

    And may Marshall catch enough to reach 100 and be #1 Bears WR of all time ALREADY.

  • Pains me deeply to be rooting for the Lions today, but mein gott would it help...

  • The Bears Oline MUST stay onsides in that dome and prevent Cutler from 3rd and longs and getting murdered.

    The Minnesota Petersons (coined by MB) are ranked 22nd on O, while we are ranked 30th.

    That's right, a team with Ponder at QB, NO WRs, and the worst downfield aerial assault since the inception of the forward pass is STILL ranked 8 spots higher than us!

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4680942/week-14-nuts-bolts-bears-at-vikings

  • Ease the pain. Take the Kitties +6.5!

  • I like that Brandon Marshall wants to "carry a bigger load" but how in the hell is that possible?

    He stops dropping sure touchdown passes?

  • Curious to see how the defense rebounds without their heart and soul leader after an embarassing OT loss at home last week.

    Curious to see how the reshuffled offensive line performs against Jared Allen away from home after putting together two decent performances.

  • Why is carrying a big load in quotes? Seems dirty.

  • Jeffery's supposed to start. Two targets for Cutler today!

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    And Mr. Bush is active. Could be a shoot out if our line holds up, LBs have their hands full with AP and no Brian round. Can they step up and be ballers? Find out in 80 minutes.

  • Oh yeah .... GO BEARS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

  • Hey Thairish.

    How have you been hangin' in as a single dad. Did the Mrs ever come back?

  • And please God don't let it be Shabba that catches the last second TD pass.

  • DA BEARS.

    In one week from this moment, we'll be tailgaiting at Soldier Field. Bursting at the seems with excitement.

    So Crown, you coming to Chi next week or what man?

    Shady, you have to hang with us, brother. And hook a brother up with some weed, mang.

    Cor, I got your package. Haven't had a chance to do a listening yet, as we've had company all weekend, but I'm looking forward to doing so. Again, you're the man. How's the weather looking? You coming?

    Waffle. I know you're out there mang. You joining us next weekend?

    Other than Murph, is anyone else for sure meeting up with us for some Chi-town eats and drunken drinks?

  • The wells run dry!

  • In reply to Shady:

    NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mostly just kidding about the weed. I can live without it for a weekend. The only nuggets I can't live without for that weekend are the shady variety. Make it happen, mang.

  • Did you guys pick your food choice for Sat dinner? We will work on exchanging some contact info and touch base on food and shit before you guys arrive Friday night.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Surprise us, Murph. I say best (not necessarily most popular) pizza in town.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I mean, the visitors shouldn't be picking the eats, the locals should.

  • Portillo's.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Do Not Avoid the Most Pertinent Question.

    Will. You. Be. Joining. Us. ?

    And if not, why the hell not?

  • I saw this not too long ago which might be worth some ideas. What say ye local yokels?

    http://youtu.be/FKwhSGNrFq4

  • Nice gig that guy has....

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Yeah, no kidding Tobi. And he's a bit of a whiny NY snob too. But he gets to travel the world and dine and wine and get PAID for it. Where was that major when I was at the university?

  • Game Day Blog Poll:

    Best pizza in Chi?

    You supply the options, I'll do the math.

  • As of a decade ago (when I was last there), Pizanos:

    http://www.pizanoschicago.com/

  • I want to check this place out (mostly for truffled grilled cheese sandwiches and the kickass beer list):
    http://bangersandlacechicago.com/
    Anybody been there?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Truffled grilled cheese sandwiches? Da coach would slap da dogshit out of you if he heard that. Grilled cheese with a hunk of greasy meat in there, now youre talkin! hahahaha

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I know, but grilled cheese sandwiches are my kryptonite.
    And the beeeeeeeeer.

  • Jebus. When did the NFL become the Lifetime Network?

    Yeah, we get it, it was a "tragedy", but ppl die from DUIs EVERY single day. If a person has to receive moral advice from Michael Irvin, Shannon Sharpe, or any other of those ass-hats on t.v., he has bigger issues!

    Talk about football!

    Tired of these "teachable moments"

    Off soap box...Now.

  • Pizanos is a good choice, Lou Malnatis is a great choice. Both offer a fine deep dish or thin crust which will allow you to sample both and form your own opinions. Both have locations with full service bars in the downtown area. What hotel you guys staying in?

  • I'm a big fan of Beggars Pizza, a southside fav thats now expanding like crazy and has a west loop location!
    http://www.beggarspizza.com/

  • Robbie Gould strained his calf in warmups? you gotta be kidding me

  • In reply to Shady:

    I don't think this game is coming down to a field goal Shady. that was a bad start ... if they can afford to hand it off to AP all day he might break 300 yards.

  • Excellent start...

  • Chris Conte just got punked.

  • Hows that for Karma? Gould bitches about the field at Soldier Field but hurts himself in pregame warmups on turf. WTF!!

  • Bread-based savoury dishes aside ... here's a thought on losing our talisman. Maybe this is the game where the torch is passed from Urlacher to Cutler? I don't think we'll see Brian play football again. Ever. Jay needs to carry this team now .. like Manning carried the Colts and Brees carries the Saints.

    Life without Brian. Hard to imagine. Maximus Decimus Meridius is dead, and Rome needs a General.

    ( For any Packer trolls, that means Urlacher's gone and Cutty needs to step up. You divvy.)

    Oh wait, was that a 58 yard run for AP on the first play from scrimmage?

    Good night.

  • Life without Brian. Hard to imagine. Maximus Decimus Meridius is dead, and Rome needs a General.

    Biggus Dickus?

  • Briggs's slip on 3rd down huge.

  • Bears D picking up where they left off last week...

  • Nice to see the D is starting where they left off.

    How the hell can they look so horrible? Gould is somehow inj too. Shit.

  • that drive made me throw up a little in my mouth.

    Yeah, Hayes was blatantly held on AP's long run, but the way the Bears are playing, it wouldn't matter. Slanting the entire line to the other side when the sweep was coming? Sheesh.

  • Uh oh.

  • Oh, and fuck my local Fox affiliate. I was gonna get to watch this game on real TV, but then they decided a Bengals/Cowboys game that was blacked out in Cincy was a bigger game than the Bears game.

  • Thats hard to believe. Who's callin those shots.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    I guess the game sold out late, because it's not blacked out in Cincy anymore.

    I still hate the Columbus Fox affiliate. They never want to put games on that compete with Cleveland, Pittsburgh, or Cincinnati, because they seem to think no one in Ohio will watch any other teams.

  • I like our offensive starters tonight - if that line gels, we're good, right? Edwin's in, Scott could be good ... E-rod's in. Jeffrey, Beastmode, Bush/Forte and Hester. Game on.

  • Goodnight gents. Let's hope the best linebacker in the draft is there when we pick.

  • Geeez Irish, we are only 6 minutes into the game

  • I think the only thing to look forward out of this game is that Lovie's getting the axe this year.

    I guess it's OK to block in the back when it's a QB trying to tackle on an INT return, eh?

  • Block in the back? WTF.

  • In reply to Stuck in MN:

    Not a great crew today.

  • How the hell that blind official looking at the guys foot not see he is out?

  • That official should be fined for missing that while looking right at it!

  • Great, Melton's down.

    We're doooooooomed.

  • And now Melton's down.

    I'm thisclose to sticking a fork in this season.

    G'bye Lovie.

  • I was going to chime in earlier urging caution on tossing the game in the trash so soon, what with Jeffrey back, etc.

    Instead, after watching Melton hit the ground, I'll just offer you my bbq fork - it's longer, sharper.

  • Well, this is not the start to the day I was looking for.

  • Holy effing Christo.

    WTF.

  • Did I mention that we have the 30th ranked O? I think I did.

    At least now they gotta score.

  • Turrible start!

    Lotta game left, but that shit is hard to come back from.

  • Guys inability to keep their footing is killing us.

  • What the hell happened to Melton? Concussion?

  • Mentally prepping myself for an L

  • Weems is a fucking idiot.

  • FLAT

  • Kick the dog. Throw a Jameson in that Beer and raise one to the Chicago Bears 2012 season, a brave effort. However ten years of Jerry Angelo never gave us a shot at having a roster. Here comes another Tom Brady ring.

    Take it away Dandy Don .....

    TURN OUT THE LIIIIIIIIIIII-GHTS .......

  • Tom Brady?

    I will bet dollars to donuts taht Brady doesn't even get to the Superbowl, let alone win it.

  • Maybe Hester doesn't look like such a "pussy" now fellas? How's Weems workin' out for ya without blocking?

  • In reply to Shady:

    He's still a pussy Shady

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Bet you wouldn't say it to his face.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Bet I would, I told J'Marcus to his face he wasnt good enough to ignore kids.

  • Roach looked like the Boz getting trucked on that last TD.

  • A sign of poor coaching if you cant have your team motivated for a huge game!

  • Lovies lack of emotion is reflected by this teams style of play today!

  • Jay runs tougher than Forte!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Because 22 has been paid.....

    Double Duece looks like 2010 version..hurt

  • Cutler is such a fucking man. Too bad he's surrounded by losers.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    +1000

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Marshall excepted, of course.

  • Cutler is a tough mothertrucker.
    What a run on that 3rd and 10.

  • So on the cutler pick, nice homefield officiating, Alshon was CLEARLY pushed down to clear the way for the pick, holy crap. Nice home cookin' bitch-ass Queens.And these announcers can eat a cock...

  • How dont you block Jared Fucking Allen? Not put a finger on him?

  • I guess Tice never heard of Jarred Allen since that's the 2nd time he wasn't blocked.

  • Btw...Mr. Needledick here...

    so guess as LDL said "I will have our team ready to play" means one score given by our D and one given by our O......Fuck you LDL right in the face..they look flat and want third placeIn the NFCN.

  • Melt going into the locker room.

    Well I guess the so-called dome and gloom was wrong on my part...right?????

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Yeah. Banner day for you Lobo.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    No...johnny we are getting bitch slapped and right now would love to turn LDL into a Fucking pinata!!!!!!!!

  • Love seeing Rootin tootin Wooten healthy finally, kid is a beast

  • Late hit on Cutty...fuck these refs man

  • What forward pass was that, he never pulled his arm back..

  • good lord can we get a penalty call? WTF

  • 11 runs 89 yards AP......... SHIT

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Yeah, but 60+ of that was due to one hold that wasn't called.

  • Wonder how many times Nick Roach has muttered the word "Fuck!" to himself in the 1st quarter.

  • I don't think I'm going to watch the rest of this fucking rodeo circus. Disgusting.

    I wan't lovie's head tomorrow please. Quit lovie you big pile of dogshit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Even my 10 year old son wants to know why is LDL our coach.....and I just stand there with a blank look on my mug.....answer?????? anyone...anyone....anyone....hello anyone out there????

  • why is kellen davis still on this team... nay, in a fucking uniform... NAY, ON THE FUCKING FIELD?!?!?!

  • Marshall a stud. Real tired of watching Forte always stutter step at the fuckin line....
    OMG he just gained 12 yards!

  • You guys are giving up way to early. Dont forget, we have Cutler and Marshal...

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    We also have Webb...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    seriously...

  • God Bless Brandon Marshall. Un believe Able.

  • Marshall IS out football team.

    Thanks Jamarcus

  • SONOFABITCH.

    WEBB!!

  • This line looks like they're giving Cutty some time.

  • didn't you quit on this game twice already?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    That's what I love about football.

  • $10 says on 2nd and 22, it's a screen.

  • Ah J'Marcus, yes, J'Marcus. Our 7th round left tackle - excellent time for a penalty when you've just moved the ball downfield. Hold Allen and it's a penalty it seems, hold Pep and it's fair game.

  • The penalty sucks, but I'm glad Allen didn't get a shot on Jay. Adn Marshall's 2nd effort? WOW. The man is The Man.

  • Yeah, sucks that that play will be erased from the record. Marshall deserves something for the effort he put in there.

  • he got his QB with a head still. If turnstyle didn't hold the hillbilly cutty would be dead right now.

  • JMarcus Webb is possibly the worst left tackle the Bears have ever had! I can not believe this guy has a job on our team. If we released him now, there is not another team that would pick him up...NO ONE!

  • Marshall is absolutely unreal.

    Too bad we have Webb single-handedly killing drives.

  • Hey rod, here it is. ready?

    just stop fucking a.peterson. that's it. Just stop one dude

    Can you do that?

    Jesus fucking christ.

  • C'mon Briggsy... finish that play.

  • So, Tilman hurt now.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    Nevermind. He's back.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    He;s back in; just needed a bite of Peanut Butter.

    Pringles is out, though.

  • everyone was just so shocked his actually ran after catching the ball. Holy shit.

  • Again, I hate guys who throw in the towel early and got all doom & gloom based on a limited sample, but I'm not seeing much in this game that is giving me hope for a W. And I'm seeing plenty that's giving me a lot to worry about--a lot that makes me wonder if the Bears are going to get another NFCN win, let alone getting into the playoffs. The offense is going to have to get better, and the defense is going to have to get a lot better. And the refs are going to have to start calling a much better game: e.g., "holding?" THAT WAS A FACEMASK, YOU IDJIT!

    Late-season meltdowns a Chicago specialty. First the Sox, now the Bears. And last year's Bears.

  • IBNO......not sure if can call it Doom & Gloom when it seems to be more of reality.......I won't give up on our Bears but damn brah...it looks like a storm is a brewing......

    btw 1st quarter......109 yard AP......FooKi ME

  • I just don't know how we overcome our dump-truck load of injuries to make a deep playoff run. And the 49ers gave great game film on how to thrash our D to the rest of the league, so in the end, it's going to come down to Cutty & Marshall.

    2 guys.

  • Two pretty phenomenal guys.

  • Just 2 guys, but remember, they're on a mission ....

  • If the O can turn this game around then there's actually hope for something out of the season. The turnaround game. Life without Urlacher. Sink or swim, all that shit.

  • Hester looks a lot better out there. Running in the right direction, at least.

  • ??????

  • Thought Hester was gonna pull a wrong-way Riegels there.

  • Cutler has officially put this entire team on his shoulders. Seems like Tice recognizes this now, and is calling plays that will allow Cutler to single-handeldy win the game.

  • Nice play Jonathon Scott

  • Jonathan Scott actually did an OK job on that block... took his man right past Cutler. Then he saved the day by making a great fumble recovery.

  • Gotta love getting 8 yds on a busted play.

  • Jonathon Scott, your table is ready .... as Rosendouche might muse on Monday ....

  • The old Patented Forte stutter step.

  • If we go into halftime down a TD, we'll win.
    Marshall is fucking ridiculous.

  • BMarsh saves the day.

  • Shit, I just said Scott "saved the day," and then Marshall "saved the day."

    Let me re-phrase:

    Brandon Marshall, you are the best Bears WR of the last 50 years (at least). Now, that's faint praise, given Chicago's history with WRs... but you get the idea.

    If Marshall keeps his head on straight, he'll own this town within a couple years.

  • Brandon Marshall is a fucking player!!!!!!!

  • marshall is just insane man. infuckingsane

  • C'mon need a fucking TD this drive.

  • Alshooooooooooooooooon

  • Welcome back, Alshon. Looks like the knee feels better.

  • THERE we GO!
    Alshon!

  • Thank you E-Train for "The Beast"!!!!

    btw send packing LDL, Davis

  • JEFFERYS!!!! bang bang!

  • Jeffrey!

    I think that's the first time I saw the Bears go 4WR set.

  • Redemption for Jeffery.

  • Please kindly remove all prematurely placed forks.

    Have some faith guys.

  • Doc..we have faith.........just question the religion......

  • I'm still here. Nap time though if they go 21 down...

  • I won't remove the fork until the Bears are leading.

  • Silent Assaisin!!!!

  • how about a fumble recovery inside the 20 now boys

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn near got your wish, 30.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    almost

  • WTF was that.

  • Fat man facemasked the Bear; no flag.

    Another win for the refs.

  • Chicken Dinner..banged up probably not coming back.....

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Fucking hell.

    And, of course, the TV guys make no notice of it.

  • TV guys have said jack shit about Melton. I see him in the game, but they never said anything about how long he was out or if he got taped up, etc.

    If I wasn't watching such a crappy feed, I would've known myself, but on a lot of plays, I'm guessing at the numbers on the jerseys of the guys playing.

  • listeining to TT & JJ on BEARS WBBM!!!!

    not getting the game here in the southwest

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Oldskool, Lobo. Oldskool. It can be better than watching it sometimes. I listened to Joniak broadcast the Arizona miracle. Radio rocks.

  • Baby Brandon!
    We might actually tire these old Queens out. Allen mightn't be much of a threat in the fourth.

  • jesus christ. really guys

  • Since when do you fucking blow a play dead for a neutral zone infraction?

    THAT WAS A FUCKING FALSE START!

  • OK, can we call a facemask on the guy who hit Wright?

  • awesome throw

  • INTERCEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ugh, I'm betting Conte's concussed.

  • Fuck where was the facemask?!?

  • In reply to RenoBear:

    Hello, preacher. Meet your choir.

  • These refs are atrocious. They've missed close to 100 yards' worth of penalties.

  • +1...it's been criminal...

  • Really strange last possession to me.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Robbie's hobbled. Without a guy to kick a FG, there's no point in trying to march downfield.

  • Who said anything about a field goal???
    And I'd rather take a shot with Podlesh than not fucking kick the ball the rest of the game because Robbie couldn't survive the terrible field conditions.

  • wow, what a fucking turrible half of football. Common guys, pull it together. Losing to these shitbuckets would be criminal.

  • What the fuck is with that last series? If you aren't trying to score, why throw the ball? Either use your timeout and try to score, or take a knee. Why throw the ball?

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Because Minny had 2 timeouts. Maybe they didn't want Minny to use 'em and get the ball back.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    And, if something had broken open, you then have a shot at the endzone.

  • Isn't the old ref the same guy who failed to blow the whistle on Forsett in the Detroit-Houston game on Thanksgiving?

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    If so, he'll be staying home for the playoffs.

  • Atlanta getting the SHIT KICKED OUT by Chico!!!

  • We took the body blow, and got up, and hit back.

    If Lovie wants to begin to change my mind, and save his job too, he's gotta use whatever coaching mojo he posses at this halftime to fire the players up and finally get this shit together for a playoff run.

    We're at a crossroads, gentlemen.

  • You said it 4e85. Most important 1/2 of football on tap since the NFC Championship 2 years ago. I think they pull this
    out.

  • ...he also needs to shave that fuckin' "quasi-beard" and lip-gray off. He looks like he's ready to retire to the nearest senior's community and coach shuffleboard.

  • Steltz and McMannis out...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    "out" = injured?

    Shit, that defensive secondary is a meat grinder.

  • injured....TT & JJ have not gone deeper into it....damn we are getting "knicked" ..the last three games

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    They finally address it. I know a backup DB and a ST ace aren't exactly big names you report on like a starter, but still, it beats slobbering over Purple Jesus's knob.

  • Ya know, Albert and Johnson usually get a thumbs up from me(way better than Fuck and Taintman). But if they are going to tell us how many yards AP has every time he runs... I will shoot someone.

  • 9th throw to "THE BEAST"......

  • Alshon knocks down his man, turns around and blocks another guy.

    6'4" WR helps your RB make 10-yard runs outside the numbers.

  • 110 yards.......BEAST!!!!!!!!!! another record broken

  • umm, how is that NOT defensive holding?

  • Screw the patty-cake Alshon & the DB were doing late in the route, the DB hooked Alshon when he (the DB) turned his hips--well beyond 5 yards. So maybe I can see not calling it "holding," but then definitely illegal contact.

  • With Robbie hurting, one of these punts needs to be a fake.

  • Jeffery held the entire length of the field.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    No shit, held his right arm back..WTF

  • I'm sick of them showing snow falling outside of the dome.

    Who gives a shit about the weather in Minnesota when you're playing in a bubble? Unless that dome is gonna collapse again.

  • ...ya know, I'm way old and tight-fisted, so I haven't bought a jersey in years (seatshirt and hat, receiver helmet for the truck hitch, that's about it, plus I usually buya shirt from Jeff to help the cause, but give it away)...but I'm gonna order a Marshall jersey like right now. I guess that makes me an official fan-boy.

  • I really, really, really want Marshall to keep up his progress with his disease.

    And I really, really, really want him to stay a Bear.

  • +1. I'm with ya on both points. His turn around since coming here & linking up with Jay has been remarkable. I think Marshall NEEDS to be a Bear.

  • I've never considered owning a receiver's jersey. I'm a Bears fan. Even the thought of wearing a 54 jersey would make me feel guilty of wearing anything other than 34. Walter would know. he'd be looking down and shaking his head. But Beastmode on your back ... yeah.

    Another Angelo f-up. when you mortgage the farm, you might as well put your cars up too. We paid a lot for Cutty, we should have stumped up a bit more and got Marshall at the same time - McTard was shopping him publicly at that point. Maybe thrown in Hester as a straight swap. who wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that deal?

  • Oh you are SHITTING ME. You call Conte for THAT, but you didn't call the DB on Alshon?

  • Someone needs to shoot that old fuck.

  • total BS

  • As long as the Bears keep Ponder at 3rd-and-long, we have nothing to fear.

  • By the way, where IS everybody? I feel like I'm in an echo chamber here.

    I mean, I know I'm a fast typist and I'm hopped up on caffeine, but seriously.

  • The room's probably on overflow, but this fucking gnome code.....

  • You know why the gnome code is so crappy? They're busy at the North Pole making toys for Santa, instead of ensuring the smooth flow of comments in this blog.

  • By toys, you must be referring to the ones on that island that Rudolph visited, right?

  • Second bad throw Cutler's made today. First one was that short duck he threw, this one was waaay too high, even for a guy 6'7" tall.

  • Marshall's cut was soft on that route. He cuts that harder, he gets separation from the DB and makes the catch.

  • Looked like he should have made the catch anyway, but I couldn't really tell with my crappy feed.

  • I know this sounds weird, but I think he likes the defender within arms reach. Could he be more comfortable like that?

  • Gotta do better than that on offense.

  • Do I hear Bear fans coming alive in Minnesota?

  • Hope Briggs enjoys his trip to Hawaii.

    Oh wait... I'd rather he missed the game because he had other commitments.

  • Again, Ponder on 3rd-and-long is great news for the Bears.

  • Fuck, Hester was ONE block away from breaking that even longer.

  • Jay has no quit in him. None.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    But he has another bad decision in him.
    What the fuck was that.
    And why are we throwing over the middle on 3rd and 1.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Fuckity fuck fuck.

  • Cutler is Bears MVP this year. Closely followed by Marshall, but Cutler is a man's man.

  • That INT was a horrid throw. I take back the nice thing I just said about Cutler.

  • Marshall for me. He's a better receiver than Cutler is a quarterback IMHO. He holds the single game receptions record and is likely to break others this season. Cutty won't retire with any passing records.

  • Cutler's a stud

  • If Allen can run up the gut for 5+, why can't Forte or Bush?

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Allen got about 2.5

  • THERE is the fork.

  • Fuck me running...those overthrows over the middle are so fuckin dangerous...fuck fuck fuck

  • Fooki me ...pick six

  • Well, Fuck.

  • Why the fuck did Tice call that play on 3rd and 1?

    Put Bush in, run for the 1st down.

    *sigh*

    Yeah, I'm looking for someone to blame for that turd in between the sheets. 'Cause I didn't want Cutler to have shit the bed.

  • Why is Allen in. Is this a point attempting to be made. Bad fucking timing.

  • We are OK folks. Don't give up. The naysayers will be back any minute though.

  • Craptacular effort by a lot of offensive players in trying to tackle Smith.

  • WTF? Why would Marshall be on KR team? Are THAT many people injured?

  • Nice hustle by Jared Allen, and I think that's a bullshit call.

  • Today can be defined in the following pattern:
    1) Spectacular offensive play
    2) Offensive penalty
    3) Stupid fucking play
    4) Penalty or stupid play
    5) Punt

  • We're giving this game away..... this is fucking bullshit

  • We seriously need a drive without penalties.

  • Bowman's been doing a helluva job on specials btw.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1

  • 4 down territory, make a play on 2nd and 15 to make 3rd and 4th managable...

  • Peterson bottled up in the end zone, we let him out, then give up the 1st.

  • This team is fucking garbage. Blow it up. Start with the coaching staff.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Keep Cutler and Marshall.

  • Three true things:
    Jay Cutler sucks
    Oline sucks
    Playoffs? Playoffs? Really?

    And yes, I´m a really Bears fan.

  • In reply to Scala:

    The first line is false, dumbass.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    +1 on the rebuttal, +100 on the tag.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    16 TDs - 13 INTs (and couting...). Yeah...he rules...Dumbass!

  • In reply to Scala:

    You can't spell and you can't count. The FIRST line, dumbass. You can think whatever you want about Cutler. But you are no Bears fan, or you wouldn't suddenly show up here just to rub it in when Cutler fucks up. What you are is a troll. You add nothing to this blog. Why don't you find someplace else to be a prick?

  • In reply to Scala:

    This is not fucking me. Jay doesn't suck. Mostly.

  • Done. Another horseshit let down. Vikes are terrible....I guess we are too. Go lions.

  • Jeeesus, guys - there's 8 1/2 minutes left.

  • No point throwing to KD. The guy has no hands.
    None.

  • Kellen Davis is such a fucking bum. Seriously. Fuck you, asshole.

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    +1000

  • Cheap fucking shot on Cutler.

  • Some offsetting penalties blow my mind.

  • Shit. Somewhere, somehow, Cutler/Marshall + Jeffery need to rock this quarter.

    Bought the Marshall Jersey. I think I'll frame it up.

  • 4th & 3?????

    RELEASE "THE KRACKEN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    First Down

    100th catch of the season!!!!

  • Down 2 TDs in the 4th... Let's let the playclock run down to 5 seconds every time!

  • Please stop throwing to Hester.

  • DEVIN - you SHIT.

  • HESTER YOU FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    FOOKI MI

    WIDE OPEN!!

  • How many damn drops were there?! Cut Davis/Hester, and let's move on without them....Help out your damn QB!!

  • The season LITERALLY slipped through Hester's hands.

    Hester at WR is ALL Lovie (last time I checked, JA was still gone).

  • DO WE FORK NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!$#!%@#!$@$#$!@#$%!@#$^%!#@$$!#@$!#@%$@#!$#@$%!#@$%#!$%@#$%!@#$%!#@%!#@%$!@#$!#@%$!#@??

  • Add ANOTHER dropped TD pass to the line.

  • Well fellas...Let's hope we can hang on to a wild card...Superbowl? Haha, we were all fooled and drank the kool-aid. I hope I am wrong, but not looking good.

  • Postgame.....

    LDL

    "It's just one game"...ugh...yes.."Hester is still a #1 WR....."We are a better team than that" and "We are still looking to the post season"

    yeah you fuck on a couch!!!!!!!

    so do we look at this as a stepping stone for 3rd in the NFCN?

  • Yet, another game goes by without getting Forte heavily involved in the passing game. That is the biggest problem I see. Tice.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    BINGO!

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    However Lamar Miller looks very good in the passing game for Miami ...

    {IRISH! NO!}

  • Cutler neck injury...Campbell coming in..........silence

    FORK NOW!!!????

  • Ok MB. Any room on the wagon? The fact that Hester and Davis are still being thrown to is the tipping point for me. Blow it up. Fuck it. Fire Lovie

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Johhny hop on we have room & Jackets

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Oooh. Jackets. I likey.

  • Free shot at Hester while he's laying on the ground, but they call the block in the back?
    What the shit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Another preacher! We got more than enough for the choir.

  • Way to catch one when it doesn't matter...You worthless ass, overpaid KR..Hester

  • If Cutler's concussed again we may be in serious trouble in 2013 and beyond...

  • Campbell looks a little more comfortable today.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    'cept for the whole timeout thing...

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    How many times do you get to call a timeout without having one?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

  • We could have used Bennett in the slot instead of Hester today.

  • BMarsh.
    How do you do it.

  • Well, go Lions.

  • ummm....

    It's Packers Week?

  • We need two Brandon Marshalls, and eight shitty offensive lineman.

  • Any given Sunday, but how can I honestly think this team can beat the Packers next week?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Not with Cutler at QB

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Cutler was the problem?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A big part of it, yes.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You watch the game?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Holy Shit Dave, i came here to check about the status of Cutler's neck/head and read your brilliant analysis of the game. Don't think about the insane scrambles to keep drives alive, don't think about the perfectly placed balls for TD's that we both fucking dropped one by Jeffery and one by Hester. Don't think about Marshall dropping the last one on 4th down that was perfectly placed that would have made up for Hester fucking up. Don't trouble yourself with drive killing drops from Davis and Forte running like a pussy. Just focus on Cutler being the problem.

    Holy. Shit.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Or missing Kellen Davis wide open on the first drive of the second half. Or throwing up some idiot ball for a pick-6.
    .

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    wait......are you telling me Cutler had a fucking incompletion????? unacceptable!!!!!!!!

    are you telling me he sailed one across the middle on a 3rd and 1 playcall and it was picked off????

    Dave, I referenced like 5 or 6 plays that were beautiful illustrations of great playmaking ability and you bring up an overthrown ball in the seam to the tightend??? dude, check yourself.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Missing KD is almost preferable to hitting him in stride because the big dumb fuck rarely holds on to the ball anyway. I think Cutler would have to throw a fastball right into his face and get it stuck in the grill of the helmet to complete one to him.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    every time I feel like I've read the dumbest Bears related comments I log in and am proven wrong.

    What I got from today was:

    1. Bears D is pedestrian
    2. Cutler is the big problem the Bears have.

    Do you guys even watch the fucking games?? When you watch do you know what you're even looking at and why some plays are successful and others not??

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    And yes, I watched the game. Too bad Campbell did not come in a lot earlier.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Bwahahahaha....Captain Checkdown?
    Nice, Dave...

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    after he took a fucking shot to the face and drove fucking 80 yards down the field converting multiple 3rd and longs and had a perfect slant dropped for a guaranteed TD?

    should Campbell have been in then Dave? Really Dave? That's your fucking response Dave?

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Capt. Checkdown vs. mad bomber throwing the ball up for grabs for pick-6s. Maybe it's worth thinking about. I mean Kyle had a better winning percentage than Cutler, without Marshall bailing him out time and again throwing into triple coverage.

    As I recall, Campbell made plays on first and second down so he did not face 3rd and longs. Hmm... curious.

    Get over your crush on Cutler. Bottom line is he does not win the big ones.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    I am in utter disbelief from reading your last post.

    You can't be that obtuse. You just can't be.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    When Alshon tripped on the first pick six it was a slant against man coverage. idiotic comment.

    When he sailed the pass against Marshall it was zone coverage and Marshall was underneath it and not triple coverage whatever the fuck that means.

    Why are you acting so dumb right now? You sound ludicrous.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Please stay this time. I need more objectiveness and less tunnel vision bitching from this blog. I'm done even responding to Cutler naysayers. If you really think Cutler sucks, you are irrelevant to football conversations. Cutler has had more drops than any other Quarterback in the league. I can think of several that were touchdowns. Two just today. Many of the drops were also to Tight Ends, the QB security blanket.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Gotta go with Waffle here.

    Cutler made some bad throws and got away with NOT being intercepted a few times.

    BUT int #1 was not on him--Alshon tripped and should've been there for the ball. It was a timing route.

    Int #2 was barely Cutler's fault. CRAPTACULAR play call, and he threw high while stepping up against the rush. The TD on the play wasn't on Cutler, either. He and one OL (I think Carimi) were the only guys who didn't quit on the play.

    Cutler's stats were otherwise solid, and the stats were hurt by a LOT of critical, inexcusable drops.

    I don't blame BMarsh for some drops--that's part of what you get with him--he drops quite a few balls. But in my mind, the disgustingly awesome catches & runs he makes more than make up for a few silly drops now and then.

    Hester dropped TWO easy catches today, including the easiest TD any Bear has seen in a while.

    Cutler was a man among boys today, and the only way he could've done more to help the Bears win is if he was a psychic and/or played a perfect game.

    The defense was flat in the first quarter, and that first AP run was inexcusable. BUT the refs missed an OBVIOUS holding on Hayes. And yeah, the Bears should've bottled up AP on the 1 yard line, but in the grand scheme of things, the Bears defense held the Vikings offense to 14 points in Minnesota. One TD was after a long (BS) gain, so the D was defending a short field. The other TD was on a short field after the int #1 return.

    At no other point did the Vikings offense get within sniffing range of the end zone. So ultimately, the defense played a decent game--especially with so many injuries.

    Who do I pin this loss on?
    #1 Receiver drops
    #2 Tice's crappy playcallling in critical situations. Where is Forte? Where is Bush on 3rd and short?
    #3 Refs. Horrid. Absolutely horrid.
    #4 D-line & LBs. Really, could've/should've gotten more pressure on the QB and sealed the gaps on inside runs.
    #5 Conte. Took some crappy angles on some painful AP runs.
    #6 Minnesota's crappy turf.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Taking shots to the face does not win football games.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Duuuude.

  • I feel like that Spock quote from Khan: They knew right where to hit us.

    If we line up Jeffery, Marshall and Bennett all AT THE SAME TIME, and we had Lance Louis back - we might have been able to do something here.

    Tice and Lovie need to go. The decision not to address the line interior was the worst decision of the offseason. Garza can't initiate movement in the A gap: too old, too weak. From there, we are left to play jump ball on the short corners in this league.

    That is not an offensive game plan.

    Kellen Davis just has awful hands. Awful. Girly Thor made a brilliant catch for Cam Newton today, btw. We got rid of him because Martz didn't like him, then we got rid of Martz.

    Some organizations can make mistakes and suffer unlucky hits, and still right the ship and play tough ball. The Bears cannot.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Or if we don't drop two sure touchdowns and various other big gainers, slip on the field setting up an INT and opponent TD, and generally take retarded penalties all day long.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I get the calls to fire 'em...and I've thought that for a couple of years now. But then, who?

    Who do we want sailing the ship next year? Does Cutler stay? Urlacher? Briggs? are we looking at a massive overhaul this off season, or just a total focus on a new OC and the offensive line?

    Where are the fixes needed the most, and in the real world, exactly what does that involve?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well said.

    And is that Cumberbatch dick in the new Star Trek movie playing a younger Khan?

  • Just think, we're still not dead in the water if Detroit beats the Packers in the "Snow Bowl" tonite. .....hahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha...sometimes I just crack myself up.....

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Madd....you funny guy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-4AtBBVZ73U

  • Well the defense got off to a slow start but finished the game strong,,offense...well dropped the ball again..repeatedly....again.

  • Probably the worng time to ask this, but here's one thing I just don't get...

    How did our D go from elite to below pedestrian in just 4 games? Wht the FUCK happened? Did I miss something? Where in the HELL did everyone go? I just don't get it. Not at all.

    Some of you guys can recite the playbook from memory.....what did I miss?

  • We played less than .500 teams maybe one place to look at......

  • One big drive by the Vikings was about all they gave up. The other two TDs were on 1) an extremely short field and 2) the pick six of stupidity.

    So, I'll cut them some slack.
    But Hayden was picked on all day and even a slow Lach is better than Roach at MLB.
    I thought Hayes played well at Sam.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Precisely. Anyone expecting us to win that game with those injuries is a homer plain and simple.

  • The Bears D gave up 7 points.....7.....in a fucking NFL football game. Are you guys fucking retarded?

    Ponder had 98 yards passing....98....in a fucking NFL football game. Are you guys fucking retarded?

    Pedestrian??? WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Yes, I am retarded. That's never been in dispute. I think the question burns because for 3 weeks straight, I've watched other defenses do to us what we had done to the opposition in spectacular fashion.

    Yeah, I get it's our O-line, our play calls vs. personnel, etc.

    But I still wanna know why we aren't destroying teams like the Vikings and the Seahawks with our defense.

    I'll just go wait for the short bus to pull up.

  • Ponder had a 53 rating, 98 yards passing and they had something like 240 yards of offense the entire game. This is not a video game. That's a stout defensive game.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    I got ya. The silver lining is actually the sun.

    Still, something feels way off. I'm sure it's just me. I got very used to our D scoring and/or forcing a shit load of turnovers.

  • We had one linebacker and one corner on the field today, so there's that.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    ???
    AP had two TDs. In fairness, Ponder couldn't break 100 yards passing.

  • Going to get drunk...

    after a fifth of Wild Turkey and a six of Guiness I'm going to shave the cat and kick the dog...

    DAMN IT SUCKS!!!!!!! TO BE A BEARS FAN today .....ugh...

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    It NEVER sucks to be a Bears fan, dagnubit.
    It can be irritating as shit, but c'mon, maaaaaan!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP...ok.k. brah...it's fucking irratating then...I will use a quote from our fucking fearless leader....

    "We are better than this"

    guess who??????

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    This'll cheer you up Lobo. Promise. Hey MB, this what a brunette can look like.

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  • Her name is Thelma and I would wear her like a horse's nosebag.

  • +100...SIGN ME UP!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • This is a scary statistic:

    A 21-14 loss Sunday to the Minnesota Vikings continued a disturbing pattern for the Chicago Bears over the last two seasons: Losers of four of their last five games.

    Fred Mitchell

    I think LDL calls that "Finishing"...something we seem to be lacking...

  • Fire Lovie. It's obvious. I will most remember the Smith era as a the time we wasted the brilliant careers of Urlacher, Briggs, and Tillman by not being able to fix, or understand offensive football.
    We need a offensive minded head coach. There are two accomplished one's on the market. Namley Holmgren and Gruden. Those should be the targets, along with the top coordinators of Shanny Jr, Colts guy, and Gruden Jr.
    Get to work Phil.

  • LDL's Postgame quote:

    "We knew it would be a race to the finish and that's what we're going to have," coach Lovie Smith said. "We've got to rally. We'll feel bad for a brief period of time and then it's on to Green Bay (next Sunday at Soldier Field). We're still in a position to accomplish all of our goals."

    1. Why does it have to be a race...We should of closed the door three weeks ago.

    2. Does he really belive the Shit that comes froom his mouth? and what does his wife think? how many other things does he lie about.

    3. We are going to find out if E-Train Really does have control.

  • Do any of you remeber on the previous thread when I said" We need to win out to stay in" well someone else thinks that way too..

    As for the Bears' slump, Cutler said, "It's a short season. We've got a handful of games left and we've got to win them all.

    Respectfully,

    Mr. Needledick

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Unless I'm missing something, if we win out now, we're a Wildcard lock. If we don't win out, then it's a race with the other teams, but we're still on top of the Wildcard slot by a minimum of a game.

    And the Packers still have to beat Detroit tonight to pull ahead for the Division lead..
    .

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MBP...the operative words..."Minimum of a game"...it's just the point ...mbp.......we are hoping to sqeek in..rather than go into the post season with our best performances...can you really say the last four games we have had good performances???? postseason kind of performances?

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    and the fudgpeckers are above us in the standings.....week two remeber...and until next week ...we will really find out who's first in the NFCN.

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    Oh, I know they technically hold the tiebreaker...
    But if we hold serve next week and they lose tonight, then I think we're just 1 back in the Division record tiebreaker.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Actually, a Pack loss tonight and a Pack loss to us next week puts us back in the Division lead, and in much better shape with the tiebreakers the rest of the way.
    .
    So, again, go Lions.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The Packers lead the division whether they beat Detroit tonight or not.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    See above.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Um, I said

    "The Packers lead the division whether they beat Detroit tonight or not."

    What part of that is inaccurate?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I wasn't arguing that your statement was inaccurate.
    I was stating that if you looked above one post, I agreed that with tie records THIS week, we would lose the tiebreaker.
    But the season doesn't end this week, or the next, or even the week after.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Had we already played them twice and lost both games, sure, hand them the tiebreaker now, but we haven't, so it's silly.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The one that has me worried is the Divisional record, but if they lose tonight and lose to us next Sunday, then we would be back in sole possession of first in the Division and would no longer trail in either tiebreaker scenario.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    A cold dash of reality - the Packers haven't lost to the Lions at home since 1991. That's what traders refer to as a very strong trend. Now all trends eventually end and after twent-one years, this market could be considered way oversold so a little bottom picking with a tight protective stop might not be a bad idea. Objectively, what reasons would there be for anyone to think the Lions will win tonight ?

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Right now, the way that the Lions have marched up and down the field on that shit-heap Pack defense...
    I'd rather hold on to hope while the season is alive than write the year off with an 8-5 record and 3 games to go, which so many people seem willing to do right now. It baffles me.

  • I'm out boyz......

  • We need to beat the Pack...bottom line. Hope for NDonkeykong to destroy Rodgers. The Zona game is a lock. I will make sure we win as I'll be there and if shit starts going wrong, I will run onto the field and make some madness occur. So Bears, pull your damn heads out!!

  • Any Lovie defenders still around?

    How many OCs must get scapegoated before we realize that Lovie's been the albatross all along.

    You can't win in modern football scoring 14 points. Hell, you couldn't win only scoring 14 in the 90s!

  • Okay, I'll be the pinata......

    I don't think Lovie could possibly have forseen the injury plague coming. I think that accounts for a good bit of our offensive offense play.

    Not all, and I've never thought Lovie could figure out how to close the deal, although as someone once pointed out, he did get us to the SB with Grossman at QB, which, ya know, could have been coaching genius...his defense that year, along with Toub's Specials were a force to be reckoned with.

    But still, he can't seem to figure out how to put an offense on the field even when he has above-average talent available to him.

    So, no, not an apologist. Just wondering what the step "up" is, I guess.

  • Rex Grossman did shit for this team except inspire the defense to greater play. I don't know why this game should be such a big deal that we lost it - Brian wasn't there. And he won't be there again.

    Want someone to blame? Try Jerry Angelo.

  • Exactly - it's all swings and roundabouts. After his big tun, AP went for about 3 YPC on 28 runs.

    Seattle won 58-0. Their QB put up 7 for 13, 148 yards and 1 TD.

    Cutty was hurried or hit on every other play and is playing with a depleted already-bad-line. We have no legendary MLB and no center. We were missing our interception grabber and we haven't had a pair of safeties worth a damn in about six years. Added to that our OC does very strange things and our HC was deprived of oxygen at birth. Hester drops a TD, Kellen drops a bunch, and J'Marcus Webb kills drives all on his own.

    Yeah, like Pompei, let's blame Cutty. And Rosendoom's solution is to sack the guy they all trust? We lose a close one to a HOF running back whilst saying goodbye to the heart of the Chicago Bears for more than ten years. I'd say we did okay - and this is part of being a Bears fan remember. It's history, not trophies, for us.

  • I am still in Lovie's corner. A shitton full of you guys are ready to jump off the bridge after AP gets a 70 yard gain. Really? Adrianne Fucking Peterson?! We still play AP better than anyone else in the league.
    This team is fun as boobs to watch. I love our defensive scheme and mindset. Now on top of that we have Cutler slinging the ball to Brandon when he is triple covered. I love this shit!
    The problem is play calling, and it is time for Ticey to step up to the plate.

  • What's worse, Kellen Davis or blaming Cutler for this loss?

  • In reply to Ufficio:

    Kellen Davis.

    Because Cutler threw the pick-6.

    And because Cutler being perfect would've won the game, but Davis being perfect would've just gotten a couple first downs. Ergo, criticism of Cutler is only 98% off-base.

    Criticism of Davis is 100% spot-on.

  • Generally speaking, I don't think the defense is the problem. If you subtract the opposing teams int-TDs (three this year, I think), the D is giving up just over 15 pts a game. If you could somehow factor in points given up due to a short field because of turnovers, it's obviously even less.

    We're not the only team with an underperforming O-line (the TEs could be better too). With Cutler, Marshall, Bennett, Jeffrey and Forte/Bush, there has to be some way to score a couple TDs and FGs a game. I don't know the Xs and Os but I'd be pointing the finger at the offensive coaching staff as the real under-performers...

  • I didn't read everything after I left for a bar.

    is cutty concussed again? Yes o no?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think he did get concussed, but the announcers said it was a "neck" injury, and that's probably what the Bears will call it because if it's another concussion, Cutler's season can seriously be in jeopardy.

  • yep. either way without him we're fucked

  • If it's another concussion, hiscareer is seriously in jeopardy.

    Sustaining a second concussion so soon after a first does serious, serious damage. Ask Merril Hoge. Or Jimmy Mac. And when you ask them, make sure you write down your question, or they won't remember you asked it.

  • Season? His career could be over. What's the count up to? Hattie Hillenmeyer got cut after 5.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You missed me admitting my folly. I'm officially on the Fire Lovie bandwagon. I apologize for being wrong and dumb.

  • Son of Waffle. I am with you.

    Three plays defined this game.

    Cutler Pick 6.

    Cutler Pick leading to the short AP TD.

    Hester dropped TD.

    The Pick six was a bad throw. The other pick was Jeffery's fault. Hester's drop was on Hester (motherfucking HESTER). Cutty wasn't on point today but he played pretty well overall. If not for those three plays, we win by 14.

    Last Week. We were a play or two away, including at least one seriously bad offensive pass interference no-call on the Seahawks in their final drive in the fourth on a fourth down conversion. Not to mention the wasted FG opportunity, Wright's missed interception and I think Marshall had a drop in the endzone as well.

    The Niners manhandled us. And now that the Falcons lost big to the Panthers, every leading NFC team has been manhandled at least once.

    We lost to the AFC leading Texans by one touchdown after our QB left concussed. Probably deserved to lose that one, but it was close and it easily could have gone the other way, though I can't remember specific plays at the moment.

    The game against the Packers was in week two, and though analysts like to say we got killed in that game, we had held their offense relatively in check until late in the game.

    My point? Two things:

    Though the coaches are involved and maybe ultimately responsible, every one of those losses (save SF, our one beat down, which every NFC team has) were due to player failures. Say what you will about Angelo or even LDL. Put to pin these losses on them, is patently absurd. Hester needs to make that catch. Even if it is a failed Lovie-Angelo experiment. Fucking Angelo himself would have walked that catch in for an easy 6. Wright needs to make that int last week. Marshall needs to catch his TD. Kellen Davis needs to...well he needs to get a new fucking job.

    This team is dazzlingly frustrating to watch. But to me, it's because the plays have been there to be made, and the players are simply not making them. And maybe Lovie does need to be held responsible for the seeming lack of urgency that is seen sometimes. Maybe he needs to do a better job motivating, or cut the chord on certain players sooner. But these guys are paid to make plays, the plays have been there to be made, and they're simply not making them. Plain and simple.

    Losing 4 out of our last 5 is pure an utter shit, but my hope remains for two simple reasons. We still control our own destiny. And the plays will be there to be made.

    Now's the time to make em. Not jump ship.

    By the way. The last six weeks we've had to deal with a murderers row of running backs; C Johnson, Foster, Gore, Peterson, Lynch, Peterson. We finally get a running back break next week.

  • every one of those losses (save SF, our one beat down, which every NFC team has) were due to player failures.

    Repeated losses due to critical player failures are...

    coaching failures

  • Things are not that black and white. Surely you realize that.

  • yes, yes they are... in this case, yes they are.

  • Are you channeling my thoughts? You basically summed up what I'm thinking after this game.

    And Johnny, I'm with you brother. Your like the childhood friend who did all the dirty work in the neighborhood when people are being dumb. Your points and attacks are spot on.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    See my post to you in the early going. Much Obliged man. Much Obliged.

  • "This team is dazzlingly frustrating to watch. But to me, it's because the plays have been there to be made, and the players are simply not making them."

    Absolutely 100% spot on. Tice even got frustrated enough to say something like "well, sometimes you just have to make a block."
    Same can be said for tackles, catches, throws, and kicks.

  • No one is mentioning J'Marcus Webb. You move the ball downfield on a play- BANG! - ten yard penalty on fatboy slim. Ten yards backwards from the line of scrimmage when you should be in their half of the field with 4 more downs. He's the onfield Jerry Angelo.

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    Lovie was the best since, Iron Mike, but not Iron Mike.
    Tice has to move back to O-line coach or Out-O-town.
    J-Webb needs to become another team's project.
    We need to fill MLB with Brian approaching the end of a brilliant career.
    We need to make plans for Lance's wind down, too.
    Halas clan needs to open up the vault, dust off their dollars and spend big to make a Super Bowl in the next 3-5 years.

  • In reply to Andy Freeman:

    I dunno about the last statement. Say alot of things about Halas Hall lately, but I don't think they've been particularly cheap over the last five or six years.

    Overly loyal to underperforming staff? Yes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah the Bears have been top ten payroll for a while now. People just spew that out of habit without checking the facts. Bears are tenth this year with 132 million, more than the Pats, Giants, Niners, Texans, Steelers, Ravens Falcons Broncos.As you can see it doesnt correlate with success Andy.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    True, but they still go "on the cheap" when it comes to hiring new head coaches.

  • In reply to Andy Freeman:

    We dont need Tice to coach the O line, he did that last year and they sucked. He's making me miss Martz!

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Maybe Tice does suck, but what's that old thing about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    You can make a sows ear out of a silk purse easily enough. The Bears proved it this year starting with the draft, when they blew the opportunity to improve the offensive line.

    Whoever is responsible for that needs to go.

  • In reply to Andy Freeman:

    Dude, really? Brian IS finished. He won't play again this season which means retirement - and the time to replace him was about two years ago, ditto Kreutz.

    And it's called a salary cap, Andy. Something players like Matt Forte keep inflated. 3 TDs and 800+ yards. I'll have a left tackle and A.N. Other running the ball please.

  • Ahh, I just read that Bush was having issues because of a rib injury. Fox announcers never indicated if Bush was dressed or not. Anyone know if he was ready to go and Tice just shit the bed on the 3rd-and-1 call?

  • Bush played - I recall him with a couple of decent runs...and then got pulled, looking pissed off on the sidelines.

  • I saw him go off after he took a body shot at the end of that pitch run he made. Definitely looked like he was not happy, physically.

  • They did announce it pre-game. He was only dressed as last resort due to bruised ribs.

  • I still want to know:
    If you are out of timeouts, and call one...the worst they throw at you is a delay of game? Or is it an escalating penalty?
    I guess I'll have to break out the rulebook. I can't imagine there's not a clock runoff of some sort, although even that would have to be carefully considered (in the event a team with no timeouts has possession and the lead, you wouldn't want to automatically help them run clock by incurring a penalty, etc).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a delay of game at worst. It's not like basketball. If you try to call one and you don't have one, the official will just ignore you.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    If the clock is running (and I think if it's less than 5 minutes left in the game), it's a 15-second run-off, too.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    In the case of a an illegal timeout, there is a run-off of the clock as I recall - though I'm sure this would be rare as they would be on top of this and inform the team they have no timeouts if there was time on the play-clock.

  • 58-0...

    OW.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Brownie, I know you and MB are on the rebound and want to go crazy next week, but don't go overboard. Maybe it's good you guys have Doc as a "chaperone". Bang some ladies, but don't be doing weird shit like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLm5oSJRxIU

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Hahahahahaha, thanks Corm!
    No, no shampoo bottles will be involved in any extracurriculars.

  • "If 'wishes' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, what a WONDERFUL Christmas we'd have."

    The Packers don't "technically" hold the tiebreaker, they ACTUALLY hold the tiebreaker.

    Giving them TWO losses by this time next to teams that they pretty much OWN lately is a HELLUVA lot of wishful thinking.

    Next week is a LONG, LONG way off considering Cutler may well be concussed AGAIN and the Packers haven't even played this week yet and their arre sooo many question before then:

    Can the Lions beat the Packers tonight? (Isn't Jim Schwartz still their Coach?)

    Can Cutty play next week?
    (Doubt it)

    Can the Bears beat the Pack with Campbell?
    (REALLY doubt it)

    Can they beat them WITH Cutty?
    (STILL doubt it)

    I mean, the Bear offense looked like CRAP against the Packers WITH Cutler.

    And the Lions? HAH! Stafford tossed FIVE TD passes in one game against the Packers last season and Green Bay STILL beat them. With their BACKUP QB !!!l

    And while Lovie did a nice job of ending Narcissus' reign of terror against Chicago now it's "Deja Vu all over again" with Aaron "I pretty much OWN the Bears" Rodgers, against whom the Bears' record STINKS-OUT-LOUD!

    Face it. The Bears are REELING.

    They've lost 4 of 5.

    The only potential playoff team they've beaten is the Colts and it's starting to look like they were lucky it was Luck's first NFL start.

    Today they slipped into the #2 wildcard slot.

    I THINK they can still beat Arizona, which seems to have completely and utterly IMPLODED.

    I make it even money now that the Bears wind up 9-7 with a 6-6 conference record and I see I am not the only one who thinks that a 6-6 conference record will come back to bite them in the ass for that last playoff spot.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I recall alot of people pitching dirt on the Giants in both seasons that they won the Super Bowl this decade, and at the same point of the season.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, but the Giants weren't gutted by injuries when they had shit-tastic records, and hadn't lost 4 of 5 late in the season--the Giants were getting guys back from injuries and heating up late.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MORE wishful thinking.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I think our chances are as good with Campbell as with Cutler against the Packers. Truly, I see no reason whatsoever to be optimistic with Cutler against Green Bay.

    The only time he's beaten them was the third game of the 2010 season (Devin Hester's punt return getting them back in the game, and two 4th quarter Cutler interceptions reversed by penalties - one of which could have been the cause of the interception).

    Is Campbell better than Cutler? No. Is he more likely to beat Green Bay? Very possibly.

    The Cutler worshipers will no doubt jump my ass again, but facts are stubborn things.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    can a lawyer or scientist or anyone else with a fucking heartbeat on this blog please point out to Dave that his scientific reasoning and facts about how Campbell would be more likely to beat GB, yet that contained no actual facts about why Campbell would have this increased likelihood, is fucking lunacy and is, in fact, based on his sadness and pain caused by his expectations for this season not being realized and not because Jason Fucking Campbell would be a better option to start against the fucking Green Bay Packers?

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    The guy is right. Jay Cutler is horrible against the Packers. I generally get irritated when I hear statements like that, because there is almost always much too small of a sample size in football to make generalizations like that. But not in this case. Jay Cutler can't handle the packers. He's had opportunity after opportunity and he's blown them all. As mentioned, the only game Cutler did win was an absolute farce. 18 flags on GB, 2 INTs called back (one on roughing the passer). Hester also took one back and James Jones put the ball on the ground at the end of the game, just leaving Robbie Gould to do the rest.

    Conversely, Kyle Orton is 3-1 against Green Bay as a Bear, and he even beat them last year as a Chief! Brian Griese knocked off the packers @ lambeau when they were 4-0 in 2007.

    Jay Cutler has been given games on a platter against Green Bay and he's thrown several away.

    The only evidence you need to convince you that "Jason Fucking Campbell" is a better option to start against Green Bay is that he's not Jay Cutler.

    Jay Cutler could very well end his streak of poor play against GB as soon as next week, but nothing he's done as of yet would lead anyone to believe it.

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    you guys are fucking retarded. You do know that Orton, Griese and Jason Campbell would have to play these current Packers with the current Bears squad with the current Bears coaches and gameplanning for your logic to make any fucking sense right?

    I can't deal with this right now, i feel like i'm on Punk'd. You guys are unfuckingbelievable.

    Jesus Christ.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    putting Jason Campbell in as QB of this exact team against the Packers voluntarily would be laughable.

    good night nerdballs.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Not anywhere near as laughable as blindly defending a QB who fails repeatedly and consistently against the arch-rivals.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Obviously, I understand that, but it's almost always impossible for you to be able to get comparisons with so many variables controlled in the NFL.

    However, Kyle Orton beat the 15-1 Packers with the CHIEFS squad last year. He and Brian Griese also each beat the 13-3 Packers in 2007.

    The Bears Defense held the Packers to TEN POINTS in 2010 and even that was too much for Jay to overcome, despite Matt Forte running all over the field.

    He's 1-6 (0-1 with Denver) All time in the regular season against the Packers. He's got a Passer rating of SIXTY and he's thrown 8 TDs to 15 picks. Those numbers are shocking. Green Bay does not fear Jay Cutler. Personally, I'm more afraid of a responsible, safe QB paired together with the Bears' Defense.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    You really are a fucking idiot. aren't you? You boyish hero-worship of Cutler keeps getting dashed by his inconsistent play, and somehow everyone else is retarded?

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Here's some facts, sonny.

    Jay Cutler vs. Green Bay (as a Chicago Bear)

    13 Sep 2009, Loss 17-36 277yd 1td 4 Int
    13 Dec 2009, Loss 23-36 208yd 2td 2int
    27 Sep 2010, Win 16-27 221yd 1td 1int
    02 Jan 2011, Loss 21-39 168yd 0td 2int
    23 Jan 2011, Loss 6-14 80yd 0td, 1int
    25 Sep 2011, Loss 21-37 302yd 2td 2int
    13 Sep 2012, Loss 11-27 126yd 1td 4int

    Seven games, 1-6 record
    115-216 (53%) 1382 yds, 7td, 16int
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    Jason Campbell (with Washington)
    14 Oct 2007, Loss 21-37 217yd 1td 1int
    Jason Campbell (as a Bear)
    no games vs Green Bay
    ========

    So, in the absence of any evidence leading one to conclude that Jason Campbell will TOTALLY SUCK ASS against Green Bay (unlike Jay Cutler who has an ample body of work SUCKING ASS against Green Bay), I repeat that Campbell "very possibly" might do better.

    "Game-manager" Kyle Orton was 3-1 against the Packers, Even Rex Grossman was 3-2.

    Facts are, indeed, stubborn things.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Dave, I can't keep trying to point out the craziness of your argument that Jason Campbell, PLAYING ON THIS BEARS SQUAD, gives us the best chance against the Packers. It's a crazy idea and I can't keep wasting my time on it. You and the Packers fan's insistence that you can somehow take stats from quarterbacks on different teams from different years and different games and somehow paste them into other games while projecting the results and then doing the same thing with Campbell is the definition of illogical. I'm done with this. I've wasted enough of my life in the last couple of hours on this. You are frustrated and hurt and I get that. If it makes you feel better to place the blame on a particular player and not the scheme, bears coaching, packers coaching, other offensive players around him, a combo of all of them or whatever then I can't help you.

    Let's just settle on the fact that you can blame one guy because, of course, that makes sense.

    I'll look at the whole broken picture of average coaching, average talent at key positions, inability of coaches to adapt to changing Packers schemes, the brilliance of Rodgers, etc that we've all been talking about for fucking years but of course is illogical and irrational and pales in comparision to your "Cutlers fault" approach.

  • Watched this fucker in the same sports bar as the Denver game last year. I will never go in that bar again (in Ft Myers Beach). My take is pretty much the same as Doc's. Cutler wasn't great but he was good enough. Those drops for sure TD's just make you want to cry. The D was good enough but they gave up a ton of yds after contact with AP. I know that's his calling card but the D just has to be better. Hester is horrible at WR but he's still light years ahead of Weems as a returner. Injuries are wiping us out. The refs seemed to be on the take.

    When it comes to Lovie getting canned, I'm OK either way. For the last 4-5 years we've THE WORST OL in the NFL. End of story when it comes to the O. I think Tice sucks Moose Wang but that OL ... Every national correspondent has ripped the Bears OL during the pre-season, during the season and after the season for 4-5 years. We get pissy and defensive but it's obvious to everyone. FUCK ME.

    People can rip me for being doom and gloom but there is no way in hell we win next week. Even if we manage to beat AZ and the Kitties on the road and get in, we're beyond fucked. Of the other 5 teams in playoffs I doubt there is even one we could beat. FUCK ME!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I agree with you about the agreeing with Doc part, but paragraphs 3 on ...not so much.

    GB loses tonight and next week in Chi.

    Mark it down, Donny.

  • ooook, so let's hope part B come true doc.

  • Please just let Fuckdouchers suffer a career-ending ruptured labium tonight. That's the only thing that can salvage the day for me.

  • Nice start for the Lions, and ballsy call on 4th down with the naked bootleg.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    A call we have yet to see the Bears make.

  • The pressure is off in Detroit. They're not going anywhere post season so they can play loose and have fun. A win over the Cardinals migh be a foregone conclusion but not that last game in Detroit...

  • In reply to tobijohn:

    Was thinking the same thing until I was rooting for them tonight and they showed there true colors. Bears may not be playing well right now but they aren't Detroit.

  • And THERE are the Lions we all know and hate...dumb ass fumble.
    Wow. It looks even worse in slo-mo.

  • The D only gave up 7 points. The Vikes are insanely 1-dimensional, I don't know how AP puts up with that. They are going to cut short his career the way they workhorse him. He's like watching Walter play again.

    This is all on the O. All of it. If they could run between the tackles, if Bush showed up and some clock eating power runs came about - it's all different. Instead, as somebody else pointed out, it was:

    1. Bad run
    2. Penalty
    3. Jump ball for a 1st down
    4. Penalty
    5. Poorly run screen play for 3 yards
    GOTO 1

    Let's just beat the Packers at home. That's my fucking Christmas present this year. I'll probably get coal in my stocking. Fuck it all.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    You might want to wish for something else for Christmas...you'll have a much better chance of getting it.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Gpl, as crazy as it sounds, I think it may just happen.

  • Now that the cowboys won and we lost to Minnesota, giving them a 7-6 record, we can say we beat THREE teams with winning records. So there's that!

  • I have found not only the worst band in the world, but the worst band in the world covering Pink Floyd.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7pDNDuoJ0

    If you can sit through that, you can probably make it to the end of this season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    20-30 seconds was all I could take. How the hell does something that bad get 1.5 million hits? Non thanks gp.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    You looked, right? :-)

  • Doc...
    your description from above
    reminds one of the taoist story
    the farmer whose horse ran away
    the neighbors gathered
    in the darkness of night
    to console the farmer about his bad luck
    the farmer replied. "may be"
    the horse returned to the farm the very next day
    with a half dozen more horses
    the neighbors congratulated the farmer on his good luck
    and the farmer replied , "may be"
    on day 3 the farmer's son breaks a leg
    as he tries to saddle a wild horse
    more sympathy was given by the neighbors
    again he farmer said, "may be"
    the following day conscription officers came recruiting
    but the army rejected the son
    because of his broken leg
    the neighbors were happy it all went so well
    the farmer said, "maybe".....

    the play of this season is surely
    a brilliant display of the polaric duality of opposites
    a continuous cycle of good and bad events
    definately defeating the monotony
    making it all
    a wonderous affair.......

    be safe in your travels
    bring the positive vibe with ya
    light up the city
    get a good wiff...breathe deep
    fill yourself with all the good chicago has to offer
    traveling this years path has given you
    chicago blues cred...... sooooo.....
    enjoy watchin' the bears win

  • In reply to The Void:

    Gotta be Huntin!!

    Good to read ya.. Especially in these dark times.

  • In reply to The Void:

    Hopefully a whiff of a spliff, and not of whatever it is that exudes from the Bears offense.

  • In reply to The Void:

    Huntin, you've been missed around these parts.

  • In reply to The Void:

    Glad to see you back, huntin!

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    Thanks to this blog, even though I was born in '83, I now know everything there is to know about Burma Shave and it's very interesting advertising.

    That being said, Tice should be the scapegoat here. After 13 games, I think it is safe to say he is not a top level OC.

  • In reply to Chris Odom:

    Safe indeed.

  • This has to be the most frustrating era of Bears football, ever.

    If Lovie and Co. can't break a foot off and get these guys into "playoff" mode starting next week it's fucking over.

  • In reply to Shady:

    I keep thinking this team should be good, but I don't know why. They just don't have "it".

  • In reply to Shady:

    I agree - it's super frustrating. I think I've been relatively patient, but forget it.

    I just can't imagine this team beating anyone in the playoffs. We'll be lucky to back in as the last W.C. team, then we most likely travel to Seattle (thanks to losing to them) and melt down over there.

    And please don't bring up the Gmen.

    The G-men had.

    1. Coughlin, not Lovie.
    2. More than one WR.
    3. A ferocious pass rush
    4. Health
    5. Momentum
    6. An offense that didn't rank in the 30s
    7. A robust run game.
    8. Coughlin, not Lovie.
    9.Coughlin, not Lovie.
    10. Coughlin, not Lovie.

  • Actually, not sure if Seattle can beat out SF for the division, so we'd travel to Lambeau or aforementioned N.Y.

  • 11. Eli Manning.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00/gamelog/post/

  • Cutler Inj

    According to CBS Sports' Jason LaCanfora, the Bears fear Jay Cutler's might have suffered whiplash on his fourth-quarter neck injury.
    "The early prognosis looks like he will be OK," La Canfora says, "but [the Bears] will await further word after Monday's evaluation." The upshot is that Cutler avoided a concussion and will enter Week 15 under the "day to day" umbrella. We will have a better read on his outlook for the Packers game after Monday's test results come in.

  • Currently listed as "Day to Day".

  • Florio: Cutler is "Day to Day"

  • "Bears DE Shea McClellin has been diagnosed with a sprained MCL.
    McClellin left Sunday's game against the Vikings in the first half and was unable to return. The reeling Bears "hope" their first-round rookie will be able to play in a Week 15 showdown with the Packers. McClellin came into Week 14 with 13 tackles and 2.5 sacks on the season. "

  • Well we are all queued up for a classic game next week. Packers win and they have the division and the Bears will be fighting for wildcard life, a Bears win and we have a tie with 2 games left

    Should be fun......

  • "Chiefs LT Branden Albert exited Sunday's Week 14 game against the Browns with back spasms and didn't return.
    It's believed Albert left early in the second half. Albert came into the game listed as questionable with the same injury. He's been battling through back spasms for much of the season, which may be an offseason concern for teams interested in signing Albert. His rookie deal is up at the end of the year. "

  • OK. So much for the "Pollyannas" and.

    "Well, if the Lions beat the Packers..."

    Now, if the Packers beat the Bears, they not only CLINCH the NFC North, but they put the heat on the 49ers for the #2 playoff spot and a week one bye and
    'Frisco gets to fly cross-country to Foxboro for a date with Belicheat's boys on Sunday night.

    More "good" news: Green Bay expects Clay Matthews and Charles Woodson to be ready to go for week 15 in Chicago!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    sigh

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The Pack were resting Clay and Charles for us the whole time. Doesn't surprise me.

    Meanwhile, everyone on our side is going down like flies. Cutler, Jennings, Lach, Melton, Shea, Bennett, Louis, Spencer, Bush...

  • http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-leaves-with-knee-injury-mri-120912

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yeah, I don't know how RG3 could even walk after that hit. Someone hit his leg in midair and it looked like it bent backward like a straw.

    Oh yeah, and he's my QB in Irish's FF league. Great!

  • I think the ultimate blame for the season will go on Mike Tice. My reasons:

    1) Mike Tice has been responsible for the O-line for more than just this season. Another coordinator (say Bates got the job) could say that it take 2-3 years to build a line. But Tice has had 2-3 years; he has not found a winning formula with these guys.

    2) Except that the line is pretty good at the running attack. So why is it that we don't have an offense with more explosion in the running game. I look around the league at Seattle, at Houston, at Jacksonville (Jacksonville!), at Minnesota (who have literally nothing else going for them). They all have a running attack that works for them, and that's not even the entire list. We've got two backs that have different styles and first tier talent. We should be seeing more from these guys.

    3) And that's not the biggest surprise to me this year. The biggest surprise to me is that Forte and Bush (who can both catch) are not seeing more targets in the passing game. Last week we had a couple of beautiful touchdowns, and both drives featured Matt Forte as a key player catching the ball.

    4) Instead, we have ruined Devin Hester. Tice is the experienced guy. Tice is the one who should have sat down with Lovie and Co. and said "look, the guy is great in practice, but he's not going to be a receiver on this team." Tice should have pulled the plug around week 4.

    5) And the same goes in reverse for Earl Bennett. Why is Tice not fostering the relationship between Bennett and Cutler? Whatever chemistry they had is missing; Tice should have pushed Cutler to develop that second option.

    This team has a beatiful base package of skills guys with Forte, Bush, Marshall, Jeffery and Bennett. Yes, we need to get better at TE, but Spaeth can block - there's no lack of targets without throwing it to the TE more than once or twice a game. Hester shouldn't be banished from the offense - just reduced to 10 snaps a game. He's the #4; he can relieve any of our guys and use his speed and fresh legs rather than trying to run great routes.

    The O-line is harder to blame on Tice this year. But again, he's had these guys for several years. He should have built something better by now. Lance Louis is a huge success. Webb is not a failure (he'd make a great swing tackle), but he's not our left tackle. And then there's the rest - we released a great left guard and are watching a bunch of mediocre veterans go through the motions till they get replaced. None of them is a long term answer and they all know it. What kind of coaching is that?

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I think you have some great points NB.

    Couple more from me:
    * Why did tice not push harder for new/better guys on oline, he had to be the guy saying, "no, it's ok...I can make what we have now work"

    * this one I've said for years... why do our guys get injured so much? Yes, every team has injuries, but we always seem to have more and more often.and our ruin our season(s). Why do the packers have just as many as us but they still win.

    Depth/coaching/conditioning/???

    Me thinks it's time to change our entire conditioning, strength, and rehab staff and program at this point gents.

    * The situation with our oline is just inexcusable. 5-6 years of this shit? Honestly? What top-market team allows that? How can anyone expect us to win with what we've had and not addressed? Every other single person in and around the NFL knows and has been saying how shit our oline is for years, why has not a single person of power in Halas seen and done something about it? It doesn't and hasn't made sense to me ever. just don't get it.

    * It's time. we need to start over 100%, the whole shebang... not just cut off various parts of the tail and hope that cures what's wrong in the head.

    ...and finally, I appreciate the attitude, but johnny and doc...at some point my maings, you have to face reality that something is wrong with this current regime, and something has to change if we're ever going to be more than a 1 and done playoff team... at best

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "3) And that's not the biggest surprise to me this year. The biggest surprise to me is that Forte and Bush (who can both catch) are not seeing more targets in the passing game."
    -- NewBearInTown

    That's the biggest surprise to me as well. Forte's 6 receptions today marks the first time he's had more than 5 since his last full game of 2011. He had 6 or more receptions in nearly 40% of games played that year. This year he has 3 or less in 75% of his games. He has 5 games with 2 or less.

    As for the underutilization of Bush, all I can say is, I hope Phil Emery is shaking his head in disgust.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    NewBear:

    Saturday night, I wrote (but didn't post) a comment about Forte's underutilization in the passing game this year. It was written in response to several commenters who mentioned Forte's relative lack of production on the ground versus Adrian Peterson. I'll post it now (in part), as it contains some stats relevant to your comment:

    ................................

    It's not surprising that Forte has been less effective than Peterson rushing the football this year. Peterson has always been the better runner, and this year he's outdoing himself and everyone else. If he maintains his current average of 6.2 yards-per-carry, he will finish with the highest average ypc of any rushing leader in 50 years (Jim Brown averaged 6.4 ypc in 1963).

    What IS surprising is that Adrian Peterson is currently leading or virtually tied with Forte in several receiving categories, including total receptions (36-30), times targeted (47-42), and recieving yardage (195-214).

    Prior to 2012, Forte's WORST numbers in the above categories were better than Peterson's career best. Even last year, when Forte missed the final five games of the season, his recieving numbers were better than Peterson's best. And if Peterson continues on his present pace THIS year, his new highs will STILL be lower than Forte's previous lows.

    This year, however, Forte will set new career lows in receving. Assuming current averages hold, he will finish 2012 with:

    41 receptions (previous career low = 51; high = 63)
    57 x targeted (previous career low = 70; high = 77)
    292 yds rec. (previous career low = 471; high = 547)
    11 1st downs (previous career low = 17; high = 23)

    This year represents a 20% (approx) dropoff from Forte's career lows, and a 33% dropoff from his career highs. And last year, prior to Cutler's injury, Forte was on pace to finish the year with 744 yards receiving.
    ................................

    Forte is being wasted by this coaching staff.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    And before anyone says that the omnipresence of Brandon Marshall is the reason for Forte's dropoff in receiving, I just want to point out that the Bears have been throwing to Kellen Davis and Devin Hester all fucking year long. Unlike those two, Forte and Bush can catch, and they can run after the catch.

    PS: I stole that stat about Adrian Peterson & Jim Brown from here:

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22154886/minnesota-vikings-adrian-peterson-good-rb-mediocre-qb

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I'm not sure it's all on Tice in this case (shockingly).

    For HBs, they're expected to outrun the LBs on those wheel routes, and it's kinda hard to when the HB has no wheels. For a lot of the season, Forte had an ankle nagging him. It was dreadfully apparent in that 9er game when they did try, but those 9er LBs were on him like glue.

    Forte just doesn't look as explosive as he did last year b4 the injury. It's not just on passes, but on runs. Last year he would rip off long runs on a more regular basis, or turn dump offs into 20 yarders, and I don't see that from him this year. Maybe his knees (which was a concern in contract negotiations), maybe the ankle (maybe even the Oline, but that's debatable) have more to do with Forte's drop in production than Tice's ho-hum approach.

    Bush has also appeared hampered by inj (ribs being the latest)

  • I wouldn't call Tice's approach "ho-hum." He seems as stubborn and ego-driven as Martz. He seems to be trying to fit his players to his philosophy rather than the other way around.

    Even the talking heads today were commenting on his odd insistance on banging Forte between the tackles. It took injury's and embarrassment in San Francisco to get him to give up on Carimi. We're still seeing Hester and Davis used as if they weren't useless.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    by "ho-hum" I mean boring, unimaginative, predictable, and yes - stubborn.

    Forte looked pretty good in the Vike game, but really, that's the first time he's looked his old self since early in the season.

  • Undiscerning
    Inflexible
    Slow-witted
    Ham-handed

    I can't comment on your theory about Forte. Unless a player is clearly hobbled, I can't tell if he's lost a step or two.

  • In reply to Crunch Buttsteak:

    I was likewise a bit perplexed by running Forte up the middle and Bush outside, but perhaps the fact that Bush was playing hurt had something to do with that. If you have sore ribs, running up the middle is not conducive to a lot of carries.

    And really, you can't just totally give up on the inside run. I would like to see Forte get more draws and delays when trying the middle, however.

  • Both Forte and Bush are banged up. So are most guys in the league though. When you're center is losing almost every battle he fights, it's hard to build a ground game from that point on. Kreutz was gone so we stuck in a stop-gap for fillers. Problem is, he's still there. Garza has been the 800 pound gorilla in the room all this time and I just don't get it.

  • You've been pretty consistent on the center problem, and it is definitely an impediment. At least a couple of others proposed with me that last year's draft should have been:
    OL, OL, OL, OL, LB, OL, OL
    or something similar.

    At risk of sounding like a Cubs fan, "there's always next year."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I never said that the current regime didn't need to be changed. I am, however, not prepared to needlessly agree to several brutal seasons of "rebuilding" when all they needed to do was take this last draft and address the O line and WR. Instead we took BS picks in the late rounds at DB, Brandon Hardin!!!!! at pick 3 and Shea McClellin at our first pick.

    AND THAT WAS FROM THE NEW REGIME GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    In blind defense of the new regime guy, he wasn't scouting for our team all year.

    Let's see what happens this time 'round.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Emery made a sick move to get Marshall and picked the right guy in Alshon Jeffery. I have no doubt that his next draft will be even better. I was just tough to watch Reilly Reiff sit there while we took Shea. The Brandon Hardin pick was also baffling. We ignored the main issue of this team in OLINE.

    The crazy thing is that GB's offensive line is fucking terrible. But guess what they have that we don't......wait for it.....ding ding ding, an offensive coordinator that uses a quick rythym based attack with a quarterback with a quick release that can keep plays alive with his feet.

    ummm....why do you think we got to the NFC Championship game with no weapons at WR and a RB that could catch the rock? Even Martz utilized the hot read routes and look what happened.

    Hester should be running underneath routes all day. Bennett should be coming off the line in the slot for 6 yarders all fucking day. Marshall be's Marshall. Use Jeffrey on the outside like you have been. Run Forte on actual patterns like they used to and not just dumpoffs into the flat that all make out hears skip a beat if the ball stays in the air too long.

    It's not hard and it's not all on Cutler.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    meaning we have a quarterback with the skillset for a quick rythym passing attack to offset OLINE issues...what we don't have is an Offensvie Coordinator that can call that kind of game. McCarthy and the Pack are in year 4 or 5 of that system already. We are in year one of the Frankenstein patchwork system that has no rhyme or reason to it.

  • In reply to Son of Waffle:

    Although perhaps I am merely desperately looking for the silver lining here, did Emery realize that the current "brain trust" of scouts and coaching staff is incapable of judging offensive line talent?

    In the past five years, the Bears used two first round picks (of the three they had) on offensive linemen. That did not work out well.

    Arguably, CW is a serviceable guard but he is not on the team so it does not much matter. Actually, had they kept him, I'd have to judge the 2008 draft a good one.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/draft.htm

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    I agree in principle, but why don't we have a better OC than Tice?

    Because of Lovie!

    We were stuck with Martz because no one else wanted to risk joining lame-duck Lovie. Why did every great OC view Lovie as a lame-duck? Because he WAS. Because he kept missing the playoffs.

    So we were stuck with Martz. Then, once Martz left, we were stuck with Tice (for continuity's sake). Because, once again, Lovie was on the hot seat, basically on a one year try for Emery.

    I think we sometimes forget that Lovie is a H.C. and not just an automaton. It's ultimately on him to make the tough choices. Hester was as much his project as J.A.s. Remember his other pet project, Benson?

    Don't get me wrong, I blame Tice too, but he's more of a symptom of the disease which is Lovie.

  • I must agree good sir. My turn to drive?

  • on a positive note... the McRib is back

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    lol... thanks MB

  • What happened to scoring on defense and special teams lovie, why didn't you order up a pick 6 or fumble when we needed one? That's what you preach, manage the game on offense and let the d and special teams score lol Where's all the turnovers the last 5 weeks, we are depending on these teams to make mistakes, why aren't they! You should be in tx coaching some shitfarm jr college you bum! I LOATHE YOU! You should've been fired years ago, then we'd have Harbaugh and be competing for a championship not a wild card to save your miserable job and waste another precious year of talent on this team!

  • In reply to guinead1ck:

    this

  • Sooo, what does any think here...Bears finish may 9 and 7 at best right? Only team I really see us beating are the Cardinals, then that is even questionable because we really only have 1 WR that can catch a ball and that's Marshall. Sure has to be frustrating for Cuttler to have only 1 guy he can somewhat depend on to catch a FUCKING ball. Earl is a little better but he keeps getting hurt. the rest are just a waste of fucking money. I wouldn't blame Cutler a bit if he goes into FA and sighns with someone else.Someone who can build an oline so he doesn't get killed. The Bears are gonna have to go into the rebuilding mode on offense and defense. Oh, and coaches too. Lovie and Co hasn't been able to get the job done unfortunately. Just my thoughts.
    oh and no tight ends that catch either, we had one that could catch good but traded him away.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    btw, I hope that by miracle of some xmukah wish and the power of Doc, Rabbit, and I at the game that we beat the packers.

    If we do that we can def. beat the lions and cards if we pull our shit together. There is still hope to get into the playoffs on a strong note and then get tons of our injured starters back.

    ...but we HAVE to beat the packers. Yes, we can still get in if we lose to them and a bunch of other shit happens in our favor, but we all know how depending on other shit to happen can work out.

    I still have hope, but we HAVE to beat the packers next week.

    (oh, and Ashlon is the fucking MAN. We're MUCH better off with him now. We just need one man to step up... and that man is Mike fucking Tice!

    We have plenty of very dangerous weapons man.... earl, matty, and bush are there for us to use man. Tice just needs to pull his big fat head out of his ass and fucking use them!!!!!!!!!)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It would help, MB, if they could get everyone back at the same time. Not that I'm making excuses for Tice.

  • I know I am once again pissing in the wind here, but…

    I believe that lovie is a mediocre HC, at BEST... but our total and complete inability to bring in and then coach up high quality personnel is what is really killing us every year.

    In the end, as we always come back to at some point in every disappointing year, until the McCaskey’s either sell the team to someone who really wants to win every year (never a guarantee), or shitcan ted the fucking accountant and get someone to run ops who knows what the fuck he's doing and how to bring in talent at every level in the org... we're going to bumble along like always making the playoffs once every 3-5 years and maybe getting a shot at the title every 20-25 years.

    Sorry, I'm just not ok with going to the playoffs once every 3 years just to constantly lose in rd 1.We're the fucking chicago bears and we should be a god damn powerhouse every year maings.

    Yeah it's a VERY tough order to win a SB... tons of shit has to come together perfectly... and yes, many many teams haven't even won one in their entire history... but I keep coming back to 'we are the chicago bears'. We should be in the hunt every year and win at least one every decade. We're not the fucking browns.

    Sigh… we all know the McC’s won’t sell (although I thought they had to this year or they’d take a HUGE tax hit?), so the best we can try for is to have lovie and his entire crew of misfit toys tossed in the can and we start over with a new guy and crew. At least we’d have hope for a couple years in that scenario… instead of KNOWING we’ll be disappointed year after year.

  • Fuck Mike Tice.

    Rabble rabble rabble.

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