Why Tice & Bates HAVE To Be the Guys to Find Bears Offense

Why Tice & Bates HAVE To Be the Guys to Find Bears Offense

Quick: what do Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning and Tom Brady have in common?

There are two acceptable answers. (1) Each leads one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL and (2) each has executed one system/vision for the entirety their entire tenure with their current team. Aaron Rodgers spent a few years learning the Mike McCarthy system prior to playing in it for the Green Bay Packers. Drew Brees and Sean Payton arrived in Booze Disneyland together in 2006 and haven't stopped scoring since. (Notice what the absence of Payton has done to the offense.) Eli Manning had Kevin Gilbride as his quarterbacks coach before Gilbride took over as the full-time offensive coordinator in 2007. (The winning started almost immediately after.) Tom Brady has had a cavalcade of thirty-something coordinators go on to fail at Notre Dame, the Denver Broncos, the St. Louis Rams, Tyler Chicken...etc. But each of those coordinators does the bidding of one Mr. William Stephen Belichick.

Jay Cutler has played three seasons and three games for the Chicago Bears. One season with Ron Turner, an unmitigated twenty-six interception disaster. Two seasons with Mike Martz, a mixed bag of seven-step drops and sideline F bombs.  Now Mike Tice is the offensive coordinator but Jeremy Bates - the ghost of Broncos past - is "coordinating" the passing game. One can criticize the play-calling and approach of Turner and Martz but one would have a hard time arguing they were not coordinators with distinct systems and unique visions for how to run an offense. Succeed or fail, we knew what the Bears offense was under both men.

After three games of the 2012 campaign it is not the struggle of the left tackle to block everyone that concerns me. J'Marcus Webb is not very good and I don't believe he's going to get considerably better. It is not the lazy decision making by the quarterback that's bothersome. Jay Cutler is who he is and he'll have far more good days than bad. I am not even overly worried about the growing trend of dropped footballs by Marshall, Jeffery and Devin Hester - though if it continues I will be.

The concern, if that's the appropriate word to use in Week Three, is I would not have an answer to the question, "What is the Mike Tice/Jeremy Bates approach to offensive football?" What is their system? What is their vision? How do they want to move the football? What I've seen through three games is a team that wants to run the ball but doesn't do so with much purpose. (Yesterday's thirty carries almost seemed to be given begrudgingly.) They want to make big plays down the field but struggle to block it. (If you want to see a team overly committed down the field, watch the Baltimore Ravens play. I think Cam Cameron's playbook is wholly contained on a bar napkin.) The slants to Brandon Marshall I thought would dominate on Sundays have yet to be seen. The comeback route to Alshon Jeffery I never expected has become the reliable fourth-quarter go to call. I've got a hundred tiles on my Scrabble rack but for the life of me I can't spell any words.

There are a multitude of reasons Mike Tice and Jeremy Bates MUST be the men to stabilize the offensive brain trust for the Chicago Bears.

  • First and foremost it is becoming very apparent to me that Lovie Smith is growing as a head coach and his defensive staff is second-to-none in this NFL. Henry Melton, Stephen Paea, Corey Wootton? Are any defensive coaches in this league doing a finer job developing young defensive linemen? The defensive system is sound and he's the right man to lead this group. (I'm confident Phil Emery agrees.)
  • Cutler gets into trouble when he doesn't know where to go with the football. Watch Rodgers, Brady and Eli closely. They know where they're going with the ball a second or two after they've taken the snap and they bench receivers who don't get to their spots. This passing game needs to get smoother. It needs to feel less random. It needs to rely more on timing and less on the quarterback freelancing in the pocket. That is coaching.
  • The Bears simply can't bring in a fourth coordinator to work with Cutler and expect anything other than half a season of struggles as the QB/coordinator get acquainted with one another. And this is not a league/division where the Bears can continually afford eight games of struggle.

There are new offensive and passing game coordinators. There are two new receivers and a new short-yardage running back. There is no reason to panic about the state of the offense in Chicago because it would be delusional to believe these pieces would all naturally fall into place over the course of a single offseason. Reuniting a quarterback and receiver in a new system is the equivalent of reuniting a divorced couple in a new town, new house and with new children. Their chemistry may still be dynamite but the structure of their existence has been entirely altered.

The Bears go to Dallas Monday night, into the sport's premiere facility, in front of an electric crowd. It is unfair to expect the defense to shut down the Cowboys as brilliantly as they did the Rams Sunday at home. (And it would apparently be unfair to ask the NFL to stop sending the Bears into hostile prime time environments.) They'll then travel to Jacksonville to face quite arguably the best running back in the sport pound-for-pound, Maurice Jones-Drew. Possession of the football will be a hot commodity in the Florida sun. They'll follow these two games with fourteen days before hosting the Detroit Lions on Monday night, October 22.

That's when the run begins. The run to the postseason for a team talented enough to make it there. In order to do so Mike Tice, Jeremy Bates and Jay Cutler must answer one simple question: what are the Chicago Bears on offense? If they don't answer that question, they'll be answering another one: why is a team this talented watching football at Buffalo Wild Wings in January?

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  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    weak

  • Tice, I hope your were watching that game last night. Blueprint on how to pass on the Seahawks.

    Tice and Bates will make it happen boys. The adjustments happening in game 3 this year instead of after the bye is huge.

    The Bears will defeat the Cowboys as a result of the early adjustments and after the win in Jacksonville the Bears will be sitting pretty at 4-1 and atop the NFCN.

    Packer fans will still be beating their wives and fat girlfriends, gnashing their teeth and proclaiming a tainted season.

    Rodgers played a hell of a second half though and unfortunately for the Saints the Pack will be pissed next week and the Saints will go 0-4 and will be out of the playoffs.

    I think the Vikes will take this opportunity and will play inspired and will put down the Lions this coming week. Then the Lions have a bye then play the Eagles, Bears and Seahawks all in a row and possibly without Stafford because he pulled his pussy muscle pretty badly.

    These next 2 games are huge for the Bears as we could put ourselves in the drivers seat in the Division for the rest of the year.

    Playoffs, NFC Championship, Super Bowl, Cutler giving finger to world.

  • Amazingly the Lions are 4.5 point faves over the Vikes(with Stafford pulling a quad). Going through the stats for the games this week .... the blueprint for beating the Cowboys is straightforward. Run the ball all day.

    They're 2nd in pass defense. We're bottom dwellers at passing offense. We pass, we lose. They can't run the ball ... we're 6th at stopping it. We run, we win.

    The Dphins and Bucs have crazy good run Ds.

  • This will probably mean that Martz Tice will use reverse psychology and come out in an empty backfield shotgun 5 plays to open up in a hostile environment.

  • What else do those four QBs have in common? They all have losses to "inferior" teams.

  • Still laughing about that shit show last night...

    But seriously, HOW DOES LOVIE GET A PASS ON OFFENSE?

    I get it. He's a defensive minded head coach. But he's still the head coach! Right?!? For him to not take ownershipa and avoid shouldering the blame all these years is nothing short of ridiculous.

    If I'm Phil Emery, and the Bears don't make the playoffs this year, I'm firing Lovie and brining in an offensive minded head coach to take control over an offense that has underachieved for decades.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Martz for head coach? (JK)

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    In reply to Shady:

    No pass for Lovie. The point of the article is, that it is a work in progress. Both this season, and next when the bears will draft 5 Left Tackles :)

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    The offense has been a work in progress every single year Lovie has been head coach. Sooner or later his needs to step up and offer leadership and vision if not strategy and gameplanning. That is my response to an article about a lack of leadership on the offensive side of the ball.

  • In reply to Shady:

    He gets a pass because none of the coordinators Lovie wanted would come because of Angelo's obvious lame-duckness. Hence, we got Martz.

  • What coordinators was Lovie advocating?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I don't remember. I just know he was turned down a few times before Martz was reluctantly agreed upon.

  • Just to throw this out there about the end zone calling in last night's game.

    "NFL Rulebook, specifically rule 8, section 1, article 3, item 5.

    If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."

    After watching it it does seem Jennings has "more" possession but that's not in the rule. They both have their hands on the ball as they come down in the end zone. Therefore the above rule would indeed give the ball to the passers...aka Seahawk TD.

    If both Refs called a TD this would not be that big of a deal...

    Fuck the Packers...EAT IT.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    That's what I was thinking last night - I didn't get the giant kerfluffle that it was a pick.
    You have to control the ball to the ground (and as the Lions know, THROUGH the act of going to the ground) for it to be a reception. The fact that the CB had initial possession of the ball while he was -IN THE AIR- is irrelevant as far as I can tell. By the time they get the ground, both guys CLEARLY had equal possession of the ball. Hence, tie goes to the receiver. TD.
    It was the fact that one guy on the crew came in late and ruled time had expired that fucked it up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The ref in the back of the end zone IMMEDIATELY signaled touch back and the one near the pylon hesitated, and then signaled TD.

    He had every opportunity to see how the back judge ruled, and he threw his hands up anyway.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Which is good...because EVERY TD must be reviewed per the rules.

    They reviewed it and it stayed a TD.

    End of story.

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    Until now I don't like the play calling more then anything else. They still use Hester in a manner that is similar to the old one. They should watch the divisional rivals and learn from how those guys use the Harvin-Cobb's type of WR. That being said you can see the development each week so I am confident for the future. The D makes is pretty easy so that is a good thing. Getting better while winning. Plus they all know that there is a long way to go, so I can't see then just trolling cause they won some game.

    PS: Evan Rodriguez is the real deal. You watch him at college level & you can see that he can be a great one. The problem is that you can't know f he's a winner mentally. Well... he is. His role/play time is on the rise. Can you spell 'checkdowns' ?

    Mihai (Romania)

  • In reply to Barb Mar:

    Agree. This is what I mean by more "creativity". Hester should almost exclusively play the Harvin/Colb role. Move all over, a lot of slot, line up in the backfield, etc...confuse the shit out of the D.

    Same with Rodriquez. The Bears should just straight out STEAL the Pats playbook with how they use Hernandez. Move him all around. Line him up as a FB and make a LB have to cover him. Line him up outside. Put in 3 TE formations. How about off-balance line? No-huddle?

    Bears can get a lot more creative. This ain't the preseason anymore...

  • The Bears are pretty clearly working toward both of those things. The only reason to draft Evan Rodriguez is to use him like Aaron Hernandez. He's only a rookie though. Give them time to expand his role over the season. Right now he's learning how to block as a fullback. Eventually his role will expand, but let him establish himself first.

    If you look at the Rams game there are a number of examples of moving Hester around. They attempted a screen pass to him that Chris Long disrupted. They gave him the ball on a succesful reverse. They moved Hester to running back in shotgun and tried to hit him on a swing pass, but the play was defended. They didn't just line Hester up at flanker, and there will be more of this as the season goes.

  • In reply to scotter:

    the bears just have never been good at pulling off those types of plays though. All the quasi-trick plays just don't work for us because we just don't have good blockers anywhere on our offense. It's simply not worth it. We should have the ability to pound it down people's throats, not try all this finesse shit.

  • Jennings caught the Hail Mary and Golden Taint caught Jennings. Touchdown. End of story.

  • Best explanation yet.

  • Bears working out Ryan Grant...

    yucky.

  • "I'm not allowed to shove anymore," he joked during "The Jay Cutler Show" on ESPN 1000. "The unwritten rule, you can yell, you can't touch, bump, graze, shove."

    Jay is funny. Humor comes in many forms. Jay's just happens to be sarcastic and edgy and a little mean. I fucking love it.

    Now give me a 300 yard game with 2 INT's and 0 picks against the cowboys for the ultimate fuck off to the haters.

  • TDs... he meant touchdowns, Jay!

    Not INTS!

    No INTS!

    Touchdowns good. Interceptions bad.

    Thanks,
    Management.

  • Guys, you have a beautiful city. Loved it maings. Cant wait to come back in Dec (and meet none of you again).

    Next time I'll bring my warm jammies though.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did you get an Italian Beef? Any pizza?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    No... saved it for next time Willie... hopefully with all the boys.

    I also HAVE to do weiner circle next time too .Chocolate milk shake! milk shake! Milk shake!

    Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Italian beef...weiner circle...oh, I bet he did.

    Wait, I have tickets next to you in 10 weeks?

    Uh, forget what I just said. If not, I'll just figure that I've got a 67% change you'll punch the wrong guy first, and I can hightail it to the beer stand before you notice I'm missing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I have something for you here... get online.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hehe - I would but I'm working...should be on in about 30-45.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    ok

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Make that another forty minutes. No joy here.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i'm out early tonight maings... put in some hard work and very late nights this weekend.

    uh yeah.... work

  • (AP) This just in...

    The State of Wisconsin is reporting ACUTE shortages of Aspirin, Pepto Bismol and Tums this morning!

    The Green Bay area is said to be especially hard hit!

  • Here's the deal:

    It WAS an interception. Latching onto the ball after the defender has it is NOT "dual possession".

    The Pack was robbed. (Awwww. Me so sad.)

    Anyone who thinks it WASN'T robbery is just rationalizing or is as DELUSIONAL as the fake zebras who made the call.

    THAT said, all the Pack needed was one lousy first down and the game is over. Instead, they hand the ball to Cedric "A dozen fumbles the last 2 seasons" Benson who promply tries to make it a BAKER'S DOZEN in fumbles and HAND the game to Seattle only to be rescued by Jeff Saturday's miraculous recovery amidst 3 or 4 Seahawks.

    But the Packers got THEIR share of ugly calls too, and I submit they do not score a touchdown without THOSE calls so in the end, it all boils down to "What goes around, comes around."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    BUT, I'm SURE the Packers will be getting a LOVELY letter of apology from the NFL, suitable for framing!

    Just pretend Ed Hochuli was calling the game, Packers.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I guess I am delusional... Two players in the air, four hands on the ball. Players fall to the ground, four hands on the ball, four arms fighting for possession. Every time this goes to the offense.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    "Guess I am delusional..."

    Well, at least your post isn't TOTALLY inaccurate.

    But are you blind, too, Ender?

    Go here:

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012092400/2012/REG3/packers@seahawks#menu=highlights&tab=recap

    See video and pay close attention slo-mo replay from the right side lineine the endzone.

    See defender catch ball against chest with both arms.

    See Golden Tate THEN reach in to barely get his hands on the ball.

    See Golden Tate's Right Hand clearly COME OFF THE BALL (so much for "four hands on the ball") well BEFORE they hit the ground whereupon he reaches back in to grab (and reaching in when the other guy already has it does NOT constitute "dual posession").

    if you can watch that and STILL think it was a reception then you should put on a striped shirt, get a whistle and apply for a job as a fake NFL zebra because you'll fit right in with those clowns who called last night's game.

    Can't you just enjoy seeing the Pack get jobbed, Ender?

    They have fans demostrating outside Lambeau today!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, I would be an awesome fake zebra!
    And, you are correct. When I look at it like that(Pack getting hosed), it really is much more enjoyable. Especially with the picketing demonstrators and the NFL backing the call.
    Can I still be delusional, though?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Let me throw one more delusional thought out there. The last second kick by the Ravens... NO GOOD!!!! Wide right!

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    We're bear fans, Ender. I believe some degree of DELUSIONAL is required. :0)

    I would woholeheartedly agree with you on the Ravens kick, but the NFL says if it's OVER the upright, it's "good " .
    A concept which I fail to grasp.
    Why then is ia kick not "good' when it HITS an upright?

    Ignorant rule.

    They obviously need US to clean things up, Ender.

    Starting with removing the referee from the replay process and having a replay official confirm or reverse calls.

    For a league (supposedly) concerned with the pace of their game, THAT process is absolutely BYZANTINE.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, please see my official ruling below. You're welcome.

  • Btw, I am officially a bears good luck charm.

    BANG! BANG!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So whatcha think bout Chicago? How about a trip report, fill us in on what ya been up to.

  • started at the bottom MB, I see you liked the city. Wish we could have tied up, but you probably picked the shitiest weekend for me. If only a week earlier when the wife was in NY......for sure when you come in Dec. and you dont have business to deal with. Glad ya had a good time!

  • It seems to me Tate had his feet on the ground first while they were coming down with the ball together. Jennings still had his left foot up in the air if that would make any difference or not. I always was under the impression 2 feet down in complete control of the ball, which Jennings might not since it looked like Tate had his hand between the ball and Jennings chest. Just my ever so untrained, unprofessional opinion( and since I am a retired truck driver..blind in one eye and can't see out of the other makes me just as qualified as the current NFL ref staff!)
    Yeah as far as the Bears, we have a new offensive play caller and he needs to adjust a little quicker. I'm willing to give it time yet...but going to be real interesting to see how it developes. Defense is holding them up for the moment. Has anyone heard anything about Cutty's thumb being swollen and bleeding from Sundays game?

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    MBF you are hereby christened BOF. Blind Old Fuck.

    No biggie.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    MBF, see my repudiation of Ender above.

  • NFL weighs in -

    “Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

    “While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

    “When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

    “Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

    “Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

    “The result of the game is final.”

         

    From what I understand, those push-offs in the last seconds, according to... (was it the announcers?) someone... are rarely called.

    I've never seen one called, but I don't know if I've ever seen that kind of push off. Maybe they ALL have push-offs like that (both defensive and offensive), and it wasn't highlighted because it wasn't MNF and there wasn't a possession quarrel inciting review after review.

    Either way, the big possession-drama was cleverly avoided by the NFL, and instead they harp on a PI non-call that may never be actually called in a typical last-second hail mary scenario.

    Bears 2-1
    GB 1-2

    That is all.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I think it was Gruten(sp) that made the remark about not calling the pushoffs during hail marys, but I heard that too.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Here's the translated version of the NFL's love note for "Literacy Impaired":

    "Dear Packers:
    You got jobbed, big time.
    Deal with it.
    Next time score more points.

    Love, Roger."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Perfect.

  • Here is my final ruling....

    FUCK the packers... fuck them RIGHT in their face.

    How's that for an official ruling?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB I like the cut of your jib. How would you like to be an NFL refereee?

  • how much does it pay... and can you promise that I get to ref the next packers/bears games... AND all of the lions remaining games?

  • "Become an NFL referee today:
    Call 1-800-SCREWUP."

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    In reply to MB30SD:

    Nice. Right in the face.

  • Murph... was awesome. Loved the bean. Met some interesting people. Saw some nice architecture, ate more red meat over three nights than i have in the last 6 months... aaaand got to watch the beloved beat the rams in our temple for the first time ever. Business meetings went insanely well too. Was a great trip all around. Thank you for asking my friend.

    Hopefully we'll have a full dbb meetup in dec.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Score any Chi-Poon???

  • I can neither confirm, nor deny any of the allegations brought against me today Coach.

    I can confirm that there were a lot of packer chicks in town over the weekend for some reason.

    ...and I may or may not have fulfilled a bucket list item of, "making a diehard packer's chick scream DAAAA BEARS! at the exact moment of climax."

    these are, of course, all unsubstantiated and potentially highly contested claims coach.

  • Btw, i AM buying myself a nice chi city flag hat. Love it.

  • There's gonna be a lot more broken thumbs and legs, methinks.

    "The call at the end of the game that was ruled a reception by the Seahawks' Golden Tate rather than a Packers interception resulted in an estimated money swing, according to one sports book, of as much as $200 million to $250 million worldwide, ESPN.com reported."

    Some estimates had it up to 1billion money swing shift with all the online and unofficial gambling venues.

    LMAO!

    That's why I rarely bet on football. And if you're gambling on the NFL with these refs, you need an intervention!

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-gamblers-take-a-hit-from-disputed-call-20120925,0,2201355.story?track=rss

  • Hey I won my 3 way parlay as well as my bet on the Arizona game. Thats not to say I dont need an interventuion but I still won.

  • You're a brave soul, sac. I'll gamble with Black Jack and Texas hold em because those give the players reasonable odds, as well as giving me some sort of illusion of control in the outcome (I'm a control freak).

    But watching these football games, esp with these refs, with $ on the line would shorten my life span.

  • If someone in the preseason were to tell me that the Vikings would be tied for the division lead, the Saints would be winless, and the Cards would be undefeated after 3 weeks, I would have laughed in his face.

    Gotta love the NFL.

  • Um, that's EXIBITION Season, 4ever85.

    What you cite is just damning eveidnce of the fraud that the NFL is allowed to perpetrate by charging full price for those scrimmages.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The Cards are perhaps the biggest surprise. Not their D, I knew they had a tough D, but their Oline was decimated by injury. They had Skelton who's % hovered in the 50s. That combo is not a winning formula.

    In many ways, Skelton going down was a blessing in disguise for them. The Saints debacle...wow...I know a lot of Vike fans are rejoicing over their meltdown and their own success. Vikes have always played us tough, so it's gonna be a fun year.

  • And as much as I hate these incompetent refs, I must say, that they're letting the secondary play more physically (kinda like they do in the playoffs), which is totally fucking up Saints, Pats, Pack attack.

    More balanced teams like the 9ers, Texans, Cards, Bears, who play tough D, and can run the ball, will clearly benefit from the more black-and-blue style of refs.

    The only problem is the wild inconsistency of the refs as well as their administration, efficiency and overall knowledge of the nuances...

  • Interesting point, 85. As you probably know, I have been decrying the gross imbalance that has become the norm in the new NFL by citing single season yardage records being set in spades over the past three years.

    Is it too much to hope that when the regular zebras come back, we'll see a move towards giving the secondaries a little better of a deal?

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Unfortunately, SC, I see the opposite happening when the real refs get back. I see them cracking the whip with PI calls right away, and returning the advantage to the passing game again, which will only benefit the Pack and Lions.

    So, as much as I despise these overwhelmed replacements, I'm no longer beating the drum for the regular refs.

  • I imagine you're right, unfortunately.

    But let's despise the fact that the replacements are overwhelmed, not them for being so. Shit, put yourself in their shoes - it can't be easy. And somehow, I doubt they are getting paid what the strikers/guys locked out were.

  • Totally agree Butch. I been thinking the same thing.

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  • In reply to FootballGods413:

    gay

  • That is one triumphant handle, hats off.

  • The "real" refs want a pension plan instead of a 401(k).

    How many of you have that? Anybody besides that postal worker that spoke in haikus? Anyone?

    I'm not sure the NFL doesn't have a fair offer on the table here, but it's increasingly not going to matter...

    --

    Jeff Pash, the NFL’s general counsel and lead negotiator, said in a memo to teams this week that significant economic and operational issues remained in dispute after a weekend of negotiations.

    Pash said in an earlier memo that the NFL originally offered to increase officials’ pay 7 percent to $161,000 from $149,000 and to more than $189,000 in 2018. He also wrote the league proposed a 401(k) plan with contributions beginning at about $16,500 in 2012 and increasing to $22,000.

    The officials want to continue receiving a traditional pension plan, the memo said. Arnold said in a news release this month that continuing a defined-benefit pension plan for officials would cost the NFL about one-third of 1 percent of its revenue, which exceeds $9 billion a year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Don't you wish YOU were in a position to turn your nose up at close to $300K per year, because I sure do.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    $200K. Sorry. I'd STILL take it and run like a thief.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    $200K for what amounts to a part-time job.

    I'd be running even faster than you, Al.

  • Well, we've seen what you get with the guys that DON'T get paid 200k.
    You pay for what you get.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And the fact of the matter is that the officiating IS part of the NFL product, no less than the stadiums, the players, or the marketing arm. If you have no problem with players getting paid $20 mil a year for a part-time job, than I don't see why $200k per official is a big deal.
    Lack of professional refs diminishes the value of the brand. That's the one thing the dipshit talking heads at ESPN said last night that I agree with.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Bingo, Posse. Bingo.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Fkn A, Al. Fkn A.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Well the whole point of a union is you have a stake at the table and share in the rewards. The NFL has made record proffits and theyre trying to take away a benefit from their unionized employees. And yes I have a defined benefit plan because I am and always will be a union man. There's some security in knowing you'll never outlive your retirement.

  • Never is a long time, Sac. And keep an eye on who's minding the pension funds. They have a habit of disappearing.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    And 401ks don't?

    I'll grant you that most times I'd go with an indexed mutual fund over some of the buffoons that manage pensions.

  • If your a state, county, or municipal employee in California, I'd be a little nervous about that promise.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Kinda my point. The Federal Reserve can't bail out *everybody*, and their banker friends will come first, as always.

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    In reply to gpldan:

    The real deal is that the NFL is reducing their compensation by about $3million in total AND reducing job security by having an additional stand by crew ready to go, to replace a crew that performs poorly.

    On the surface, pay for performance, no problem. But if you give up something, you should get something.

  • This morning I heard (on a WI radio station) that the reason every TD is now reviewed is because of a game-winning TD by The Packers that was miscalled and should not have been ruled a score. Does anyone know if this is true?

  • In reply to toph:

    Last night, they said "dual possession" was NOT reviewable but Dan Patrack had a former NFL offical on this morning who said it WAS.

  • In reply to toph:

    Or nearly every TD in the Steelers SB win over Seattle.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Robbery. Pure and simple.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    My Dad was in a $100 x 1,000 entries suicide pool that year. For the decade or so prior, no one had ever made it through the entire season. They had to make up new rules to do it for the postseason (as 10+ entires were still alive), and he got stuck, along with another guy, having to take the Seahawks.

    Would have won $50k on his $100 entry if the zeebs wouldn't have blown that entire game. He would completely agree with your robbery statement.

    This year? Out in week 2 thanks to Dallas.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    That had to sting.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    ouch

  • I also agree with Jeff. We need to find an offensive identity. I was hoping since Tice himself admitted that he only tinkered with the Martz playbook (for the sake of continuity), and installed the playbook 3 times in the PS, that we would come off the bus running, but right now it's more like skipping.

    Bringing in Bates only complicates matters - and we still have a head coach, right?

    If we beat the Cowboys (a 50-50 proposition in my book), we'll buy a smidgen of time to find that identity. Hell, we could find our O-ID in that game. Nothing like the fire of playing in primetime against "America' s Team" in Jerryworld to forge a team.

    A few more run plays, a few more non-dropped balls, and a tad bit more creativity, and we become a very dangerous O that will blow out opponents (esp with our stud D).

    We're really not that far off, theoretically, just as long as Cutler doesn't play like good-rex, bad-rex...

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    The identity is right there for the taking. We need to be the Bears. Just with better players on offense than we've ever had. Run the ball, put the defense in jeopardy with multiple passing threats, go vertical, play action, screen etc.
    No rocket science. We just now have better players.

  • I haven;t seen an intention to run. When they peel one off it's always a pass next. There's no clear intention. We can reasonably runblock [other than Garza], yet we can't pass protect ... so does anything other than a preference for running the ball make sense?

  • The protesters outside Lambeau this morning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Hilarious.

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    In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Awesome. It still doesn't make up for the blind ass luck of picking up Favre and Rodgers. Favre was a back up and Rodgers was the 23rd pick of the draft. Would the Packers have taken Rodger if they had the 10th pick?

    They could lose every game this year and still be in plus territory with the gods.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!

    My favorite

  • I was very much hoping Goodell was going to overrule the officials just to stick it to the casino industry. (Very selfishly I might add...)

  • In reply to Viva:

    Has that ever happened?

    Overruling the game, not sticking it to the gamblers.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Changing a an NFL game result the next day? Not in MY lifetime.

    Sticking it to gambers? All the time. Sometimes it takes awhile to find the body.

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    In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hilarious. Sorry Mr. Gambler, you have to bring the money back. ha

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Apparently their is a rule on the books that gives The Commish authority to overturn the outcome of a game.

    To the best of my (and Google's) knowledge, the rule in question has never been used. The Pandora's Box looms....

  • In reply to Viva:

    Viva, you don't "stick it' to an industry that helps make you America's most popular specatator sport.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Great point.

    If anything, he would be sticking it to his golden boy Erin. But in a soft, gentle, loving, NAMBLA sort of way.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The Commish has been trying (via litigation) to find a means by which to enforce some tv infringment legislation that the Industry has been fighting. They are not the bedfellows you may think..

  • In reply to Viva:

    This does not surprise me. Nothing like two huge industries going at it. Lawyer's wet dream.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Viva, this is for you. Great moments in betting history:

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/gambling-moment/1349721

  • I WISH I was clever enough to have made THIS up...

    "Because of what it called “tonight’s event,” the LINGERIE FOOTBALL LEAGUE on Monday night — after the controversial Seahawks-Packers game — released a statement saying that it fired several officiating crews that are now working as replacement refs in the NFL.

    Those crews, LFL Commissioner Mitchell Mortaza said in the statement, were fired 'due to … on-field incompetent officiating.'. "

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2012/09/25/after-seahawks-game-lingerie-football-league-says-it-fired-refs-now-in-nfl/

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wow. Aint that the NAKED truth.

  • While I love what happened last night happened to the pack, the ref situation needs to get fixed. Unfortunately, there is no incentive for Goodell and the owners to come to the table even after that atrocity last night. Rating revenues continue to soar for the NFL. . The NFL owners chose to lockout the refs because they're trying to squeeze an extra 4000 dollars in revenues per game out of their little 9 billion dollar cartel set-up. There are 18 billionaire owners in the NFL and they're refusing an extra 4000 per game. This is all on the owners. Talk about arrogance.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Why fix the ref situation?

    America loves bad reality shows, loves some controversy, loves the "oh my gawd, Lee, didja see that crash?" aspect of NASCAR...

    I think the average non-football watching Kardashian Housewives of the NBA fan now has a reason to watch some football... ADDED DRAMA!

    Publicity, publicity, publicity.

    Ratings will soar.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Shit, just replace the replacements refs with Steven Tyler, Ozzie's wife, Britney Spears, a drunk Paula Abdul, a teen mom, the fat Kardashian sister, and the ghost of Anna Nicole Smith.

    I doubt you'll see a drop in call accuracy, and watch those Bravo TV fans come a flockin'.

    No more beer commcercials, all Masengil all day.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    THE fat sister.... aren't they all fat?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Tee hee.

  • Our next opponent (check the url)

    -not that there's anything wrong with that...

  • Just read Jeff's twitter - does anyone know if Bush did indeed get injured? Artoo? Someone in the know?

    That would not be bode well for our rushing game. Martz Tice doesn't need an excuse to come out chucking the ball against Ware-v-Webb.

  • I think we need to see Dane Sanzenbacher out there against the Boys' on Monday night

  • In reply to Bearsbacker:

    Dane, get off the internet. Shouldn't you be practicing catching?

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    hee hee

  • In reply to Bearsbacker:

    Weems can't even get into the games and Sanz is behind him.

  • In reply to Bearsbacker:

    you have to be blitzkrieg. Jesus christo

  • I told myself I wouldn't do it, but I'm a lying masochist.

    PFT Power rankings -

    12. Bears: Based on Jay Cutler’s passer rating this year, J’Marcus Webb should be the one doing the bumping.

    Sounds like a lot of you guys.

    Haters gonna hate!

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    In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    that's kind of funny

  • Rodgers got sacked 8 times in a half, but didn't meltdown in a hostile environent, bump his LT, then throw 4 int and post a 28.2 QB rating.

    Hate hate hate hate...

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    That's not funny.

  • Well, the statement *is* true.

  • Pretty sure he had all the time in the world after HALF TIME ADJUSTMENTS were made. Something we can't handle.

    Ugh.

    I hear rent's cheap in Wisconsin, plus with all the suicides this morning, probably a good job market. I'll book you a Greyhound.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Hmm, let me think, L.A. or Wisc, L.A. or Wisc...L.A. by a hair!

    BTW, my hate also extends to Martz-Tice, so I'm an equal opportunity Hater of the Year.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vGBvzbpvug&NR=1

  • Absolutely loved the game last night. The Fudgies got robbed on the last call BFD. So did the Kitties when Megatron scored against us. Again, BFD. I posted it last night. We got robbed when Magic Man was beyond the line of scrimmage on a TD winning pass. So to all the Fudgie fans, Fuck You, Deal with It.

    I totally understand both sides of the fight between the NFL and the refs. The NFL had the leverage early and locked them out. The refs have the leverage now. Something will get done and soon.

    I don't get the "replacement refs are letting the players play". They are calling pass interference on every other play in some games. And usually getting it wrong. Oh well.

    I'm pretty sure Bush is dinged up. He didn't finish against the Rams and it's not like Bell was tearing it up. Hopefully Forte will be able to go on Monday. I have no confidence in the O but the D is playing lights out and Romo doesn't handle pressure well. I think we win but I'm not betting on it.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Hah! How dare you speak ill of the Instant Replay Game?! That was legit. Majik was behind the line of scrimmage. I know it, you know it, and Dan Fouts knows it.

    The official had a misunderstanding and so he threw the flag initially. But they went to the monitor for confirmation and determined that:

    After further review, THE BEARS STILL SUCK

  • In reply to thebigcheese:

    ....after further review, your team is the biggest bunch of fucking whiny bitches in the league. Holy shit cheese, this is unprecedented gayness at its gayest.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/lang-says-packers-discussed-extreme-measures-on-flight-home/

    holy shit.

  • I would be so irate if I were a packers fan today. I cannot imagine.

  • League just announced it supports decision not to overturn the game last night. So, that hidden rule game reversal won't be implimented.

  • In reply to Crown:

    However, refs are on double secret probation.

  • If I have offended or insulted any of you over the past year, whether through my rants, personal insults, poor grammar or mis-spellings, please accept my sincere apologies. I'll do my best to be a better person in this new year.

  • In reply to Shady:

    You can start by apologizing to me for changing your clan tag in MW3.

    That hurt.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Were you a bad boy Shady?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Shana tova umetuka, a few days late?

  • The "it was an interception" stuff is flat out fucking bullshit.
    You can hold the ball to your chest like it was your first born child, juggle it, you can put your signature on it...hell, in New York, you can probably form a civil union with it, but so long as you are in the air and have not established your position in the field of play, it does. not. fucking. matter.
    Al, I love you, maing, but it doesn't matter what happened until the play was complete and the catch had been continued -to the ground-. It's the same logic that lost the Lions game for them against us. Jennings did not keep sole possession of the ball through the act of completing the catch.
    In the process of completing the catch, as they hit the ground with their feet and then fell down to the ground, both players established possession of the ball.
    In that event, Seattle wins possession by rule.
    It's not an interception.
    The TD was the correct call on the field.
    The Packers didn't get jobbed.
    And I can't believe that we've spent the last two days, watching the Bears win and the Packers lose, ripping on our first franchise QB in (for Irish's sake) 25 years, and joining the group-think that it took a shitty call to rob the Packers of their rightful victory.
    Now, the non-PI call on Tate? Sure - that's a legitimate gripe (although it happens on every hail mary pass that's ever taken place).
    But for the love of pete, how many phantom PI calls did the Packers get last night to keep drives alive?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Don't get me wrong; the NFL needs to get the real officials back on the field as of weeks ago.
    They have been brutal in at least 75% of the games I've watched.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    MyFavoriteBearsFreeSafetySinceShaunGaylehadaPosse, you've got a point, but the bigger issue still looms:

    The two officials who contradicted each other never got together with the referee to determine what happened. The ref made the (non)call without having all the info, without apparently understanding that replay can't review a judgement call, without knowing the rules that mean that he had to make a call and should have made it after consulting with his crew.

    Instead, he--as has happened waaaaay too often with the replacements--punted the call upstairs. Forget that replay can't determine simultaneous possession, let alone overrule a judgement made on-field; this guy didn't make a call with all the information at his disposal. He wanted replay to make the call for him.

  • That's the only problem I had with it - the call on the field was never made ... so how can you either overturn or uphold a situation that doesn't exist?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's always the last play or call of the game that people remember. Like I've been saying all day, Green Bay isnt even in the lead if the refs dont extend two of their drives with ridiculous calls. So the scab refs giveth and the scab refs taketh away.

  • Gotta agree. If this happened to any of the non-media darling teams it wouldn't be a big deal. Since it happened to one of the "chosen ones" it's the end of the world. People can quote all the rules they want, my take is if 90% of the fans think it's a TD (or INT), it's probably a TD (or INT). These refs have been brutal in every game I've watched. If the owners refuse to settle, it tells you everything you need to know about those rich fucks.

  • +1

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dang Al, after what MBPosse just wrote, I want my delusions back!

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    I'm 100% with Posse, and have been all along. There is no possession, by rule, until position has been established in the field of play.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    Everyone's enitled to their opinion, even when they are delusional.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

    +1

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Tate cannot reach in, BARELY get a second hand on the ball and be awarded "dual posession".

    Speaking of P.I., the call for Sydney Rice (with rice BEHIND the defender whoIS playing the ball, and Rice grabbing the defenders shoulders) that helped keep the Seattle final drive going was even WORSE than the final call!

    For me, the sideline slo-mo replay is conclusive.

    If this had happened against the Bears, there would be standing room only lining up to jump off the bridges over the Chicago River and a bounty on the 3 fake zebras and the replay official involved.

    We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm just going to declare victory and move on.

  • One thing that makes me really laugh about this is the Gov of Cheeseland, the union-busting Scott Walker, is imploring the league to settle with the refs, There's more than a little irony at play. Stand up for your principles until it's not convenient.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Call me a dickhole, but Walker is the best Wisconsin Governor of my voting lifetime. Tommy Thompson and Jim Doyle were both absolute train wrecks. Those two jackasses were fiscally irresponsible spendthrifts. Walker made reasonable reforms and was labeled some kind of radical by the media.
    Here's a few facts to make my point that Walker is not some right wing zealot. Wisconsin is a Democrat state. Obama won WI by 18 points, his highest margin of victory of any state. Walker was voted into office in 2010, and won with a higher margin of victory in the recall earlier this year, after his reforms were put in place. If these reforms were not put in place, many people would have lost their jobs.

    For example, my hometown of Kenosha renegotiated contracts when the WI state senate fled to Illinois. They are not included in Walker's reforms. Now they blame Walker for the loss of hundreds of teachers and larger class sizes due to lack of funds! They made their own bed. Milwaukee did the same a few years ago, BEFORE Walker became governor. The cuts were in place already. So much for that union solidarity bullshit.

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/96349689.html

    The teachers who voted for this don't give a shit about the students, or the other teachers. They only care about themselves.

    Rule #1 about human nature: everyone is self-interested first and foremost. Altruism is deceitful and a lie.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    True altruism is not a lie, it is merely unattainable by humans.

    Thompson is not the bad guy in the public sector union thing. There is a HUGE difference between private sector unions (at least in right-to-work states) and public sector unions.

    Private sector unions are merely anti-competitive, bad for business, and probably the biggest cause of job outsourcing in the United States. The latter are immoral and should be illegal.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Cor you missed my point. I get fighting unions. My bike riding buddy for the last 25+ years lives in Franksville and hates unions. There are many parts of unions I think are totally fucked. Often times the biggest union guys are the most worthless of the bunch. I get all that.

    My point was Walker totally stands up to unions until it's not comvenient and he doesn't have to pay the tab. Seems a tad two-faced.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That's a ;politician for ya. He should have went after the police and firefighters unions as well. Firefighters in this state are grossly overpaid.

    I was mainly using your post as a platform to bitch about the state of education in this country. It's a disgrace. Right now, parents are forced to send their kids to the school in their neighborhood, no matter how violent or ineffective. The teachers UNIONS push this policy. I have a long diatribe that I'm holding back on. How many bloggers here went to a high school with metal detectors and cops at the door, bars on all the windows, and total lockdown during the school day?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I went to three high schools, one suburban, one downtown magnet high school, and an extremely elite prep school.
    All three are in the same city.
    Does that qualify me to comment on what makes a great high school?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'll give you at least one characteristic - class size, class size, class size.
    A great teacher with a class that's too big is completely wasted on everyone but the front row.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The magnet school, which wasn't in my neighborhood, sucked. It was completely focused on test scores but 1/4 of the class I was matriculating with would drop out by graduation. And that was at a public magnet school, meaning it was competitive to get transferred there.
    The last and best high school I attended was private and non-profit. It was also small and the teachers knew EVERYTHING that was going on, at all times, with all students.
    Not sure what teachers unions have to do with any of that.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Not to get all political but it's not all on the teachers even though it makes me crazy it's all but impossible to fire the shitty ones. Shitty parents usually don't begat great students.

    As far as the metal detectors etc., all I can say is times change. My mother used to tell the story about me going out and visiting all the old ladies within a couple blocks of our house. Old ladies she barely knew. I was out mooching cookies. I was 4 years old and have no recollection of it. All my siblings always thought it was funny. Can you imagine that happening now? Back then people didn't worry much about kids being snatched, esp in Iowa.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    As a former paramedic, I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic when you say that firefighters (anywhere) are overpaid.

    To me, that's like saying the body armor on our soldiers is too good, or we train our doctors way too much.

    You cannot overpay a guy (or gal) who runs into burning buildings for a living.

  • Well, the ref fiasco should get the fucking media off Cutty's ass, for a few days. Overall, great week.... Fudge lose and cry foul, and pudge boy Stafford strains his (her) labia majora and lose in comical fashion. Cowgirls up now. Jeff's post was solid. Run the fucking ball to set up the passing game.

  • In reply to Guinness Please:

    Totally agree. Not to mention the BiQueens knocked off the Forty Whiners. Never know how things will shake out at the end of the year but it's always good to see one of the better teams in the conference get waxed. Not sure if the Queens have improved that much from last year or if it's one of those "any given Sundays".

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Let's hope its the latter. We have to play them twice.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    I haven't seen them this year. Hopefully by the time we play them the O is more consistent. Pretty sure our D will give them fits and our ST's have always killed them.

  • shady, wtf... did you convert and get babtized this weekend?!?!? Forgiv me father for I hav sinned.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was wondering the same thing. A blanket apology to the blog is pretty unusual unless you've gone all Joan Crawford on a regular or two.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    3 hail marry's and a how's your father!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It's the Jewish time for atonement, Jabronis!

    http://www.popscreen.com/v/5Vs0H/Atone-Phone-Joan-Rivers-Calls-The-Colbert-Report-91510-Video-Clip-Comedy-Central

  • jesus. duh....

    (see how i did that)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm a recovering Catholic and don't have a religious bone in my body.. It NEVER crosses my mind.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    GASP !!!
    HEATHEN !
    HERETIC !
    BLASPHEMER !
    IDOLATOR !

    Not into mythology, Canada?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I can just HEAR you in the confessional as teen, Canada:

    "Uh, name uh duh fahder, son, holy ghost, ah-MEN.

    Bless me Fahder, fer I haf sinned, eh?

    Been a coupla months since my last confession, eh?

    Had impure thoughts about Mary Beliveau in Saskatoon.
    You know, the one with the big boobs, eh? More dan once I think. And some girl I seen over in Moosejaw at da hockey game last week, eh?. NICE hooters, too. Oh, and I touched myself in an impure manner over them, Fahder. Coupla times, eh?

    AndI had back bacon tree times on Good Friday, eh?

    I think that's all, Fahder.

    Oh, wait, I used profanity several time while referring to the Green Bay Packers, Fahder.

    'Packers is a bunch of fucking HOSERS, EH?' I think is what I said. More than once. Took da Lord's name in vain, too. "GOD DAMN PACKERS' I think it were.

    Priest: "Is that all, my son?"

    Canada: "Yeah,that's it, Fahder. Am I goin' to hell, Fahder?"

    Priest: "No, my son. But I WOULD plan on doing some time in purgatory. Now for your pennance..."

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    smh dood. Gabe Carimi and Adam Podlesh are not impressed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bless you my son ... now get down there and polish my knob.

  • Irish if you get caught you know that you'll have to be re-located.

    Have you seen the movie The Guard? It stars Brendon Gleason and Don Cheadle. Highly recommended.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I can just HEAR you in the confessional as teen, Canada:

    "Uh, name uh duh fahder, son, holy ghost, ah-MEN.

    Bless me Fahder, fer I haf sinned, eh?

    Been a coupla months since my last confession, eh?

    Had impure thoughts about Mary Beliveau in Saskatoon.
    You know, the one with the big boobs, eh? More dan once I think. And some girl I seen over in Moosejaw at da hockey game last week, eh?. NICE hooters, too. Oh, and I touched myself in an impure manner over them, Fahder. Coupla times, eh?

    AndI had back bacon tree times on Good Friday, eh?

    I think that's all, Fahder.

    Oh, wait, I used profanity several time while referring to the Green Bay Packers, Fahder.

    'Packers is a bunch of fucking HOSERS, EH?' I think is what I said. More than once. Took da Lord's name in vain, too. "GOD DAMN PACKERS' I think it were.

    Priest: "Is that all, my son?"

    Canada: "Yeah,that's it, Fahder. Am I goin' to hell, Fahder?"

    Priest: "No, my son. But I WOULD plan on doing some time in purgatory. Now for your pennance..."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Priest: For your pennace, you will do 100 "Our Father"s, 100 "Hail Mary"s, a Rosary, a Stations of the Cross and make a pilgrammage to Lourdes, eh?.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Nah. Even as a kid I was aware the priest knew exactly who was on the other side of the confessional. All I ever owned up to was swearing and disobeying my parents. I was convinced if I ever really told him the good stuff it would have made it home before I did.

    Being the youngest of 6 the mysteries of life were explained to me by my favorite sister. To give you an idea what a great sister she was, she translated what girls were telling me when I was in my early teens. By the time I was in my late teens (we were both hippies) she set me up with her girl friends that were the most likely to do me. Now THAT'S a great sister! We still laugh about it and that was over 40 years ago.

  • NewsFlash: Datline: Sept 25th, 2012...8pm CST........NOAA Emergency Broadcast System has reported that the National Weather Service has just issued a "Tsunami Watch" for lower Lake Michigan,including the city of Chicago, Il and all areas along the lakefront down to and including Gary, Ind. until at least Fri. morning.
    It has been reported that the surge of water was tested to have a high content salt due all the "FUCKING CRYING GOING ON IN GREEN BAY WISCONSIN" We now return you to our regular programing after these next 31 commercials.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    bwahahahaha

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Not bad, Madd, not bad.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Great concept,Maddbear. Missed it by THAT much.

    A tidal wave in a lake is called a "Seiche".

    They are NOT to be taken lightly having caused many fatalities, notably on lakes Superior and Michigan, with people being swept away by them.

    http://www.geo.msu.edu/geogmich/seiches.htm

    I still like the post, though.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Thanks Al, I didn't know that, most the time I spent near the lake in my "young and foolish years" was either from smelt fishing or sleeping off the night before or both. Like the Don Adams line.

  • In reply to MaddBearfan:

    Nice catch on one of Agent 86's classic lines, Madd. #2, I believe, right behind "Would you believe...?"

    As a lad, I often had impure thoughts about Agent 99.
    .
    They're not commonplace, but Lake Michigan Seiche's HAVE killed a LOT of Chicagoans over the years.

  • I swear to God if I hear one more person say "Cutler is the 31st ranked qb in the league" then use that little gem as the basis for a "theory" on why the Bears can't/won't win this year I'm going to puke in their face. Are there 30 other quarterbacks in the league that anybody, ANYBODY would sooner have? Hell no. 10? Sure.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Hey Johnny, did you know that Jay Cutler is the 31st ranked QB in the league?

    And funny, his team is 2-1.

  • Holy Shit please read what these fucking cowards talked about on the plane home. What a bunch of whiny fucking pussies. Do you know how many fucked calls there were last night? For both sides? To extend multiple drives for both teams?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/lang-says-packers-discussed-extreme-measures-on-flight-home/

    Packers are officially the biggest fucking pussies in the league. You bunch of fags.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc

  • What, I think it would be great. Packers at 1-15 would hardly break my heart. We just need to trade for their first round pick before they get started on all that.

  • hee hee: http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/13979/honest-nflcom-headlines-week-3

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    OMG, these people are right on......that's some funny shit. What's scary is it's almost true.

  • this is for Sac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzPBcCF9yKc

  • Just heard Brian Billick make what I consider a VERY cogent point about Monday night's "Seattle Snatch & Catch".

    His point was, basically , and I paraphrase,
    Bitch all you want about the fake zebras, but as the ensuing debate proves, it WAS a very tough call AND there is absolutely NO GUARANTEE you don't get the exact, same call with the REAL officials on the job. To the contrary, there is AMPLE evidence that the real zebras would have blown the call as well.

    Ask Seattle about Vinny Testaverde and the Jets being awarded a TD in 1998 on a play where he was CLEARLY down 2-3 yards short of the endzone. A call that cost them a PLAYOFF SPOT (and Dennis Erickson his job) and precipitated the return of Replay.

    Also, and someone has probably made this point, the replay official (who is NOT a replacement) was none other than, Phil Luckett, RENOWED incompetent former referee who authored the Testaverde play AND presided over the famous "coin toss" debacle in O.T on Thanksgiving Day, 1999 when Jerome Bettis (correctly) called "tails" and Luckett said "He called HEADS" and gave the ball to the Lions.

    How is this man still employed by the NFL?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    +3 Albert, a tough call cuz of all the body's blocking a clear view. But the entertainment value of the whole mess has been priceless.

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