Rapid Fire Thoughts on Bears Over Rams

Rapid Fire Thoughts on Bears Over Rams

All that matters early in seasons are wins. The rest is noise. Wins matter and the Bears got one yesterday with a brilliant defensive effort. Thoughts on the defense...

  • Pick your player on the defensive line. Peppers, Paea, Izzy, Melton, Okoye...etc. They were the stars of this game and their dominance is the reason the Bears are 2-1.
  • Is there any doubt Amobi Okoye was crazy to leave the Bears this offseason? He belongs in Lovie's system.
  • Tim Jennings has already met my four interceptions for the season prediction after three games. He's on his way to the Pro Bowl. (His fourth down play on the Bradford slant attempt was a thing of beauty.)
  • Urlacher looked better. Not great but better.
  • Lance Briggs looked great.
  • Chris Conte is always a few steps late on throws down the sideline. If Gibson makes the back shoulder grab in front of Conte this might have been a different contest.
  • Major Wright finds the ball. His health is always a concern but you can't have enough players who find the ball.
  • Peppers can say whatever he likes but his personal foul penalty was the act of an idiot rookie. It could have cost the Bears this game and he should be smarter than that.

Now onto the offense...

  • Three things became to clear to me, watching this offensive line play today. (1) J'Marcus Webb is not any good. (2) Gabe Carimi can be a vicious blocker. (3) Chilo Rachal apparently DOES NOT KNOW THE SNAP COUNT. How many times do the Bears let a guy jump before they replace him?
  • Catch the ball, receivers. Both Marshall and Jeffery had huge drops in this game.
  • That being said, it was fun to watch Marshall and Jeffery win one-on-one battles on the outside when the Bears needed them to do so. Jeffery was uncoverable on the comeback route in the fourth quarter.
  • Michael Bush was serviceable but the Bears missed Matt Forte's explosiveness in the passing game.
  • Kellen Davis sightings! Multiple!
  • Did any play sum up the Bears day on offense better than Devin Hester's ill-time leap/ball through his hands moment in the end zone? A silly play call. A poor execution.

It is a solid if unspectacular victory. The offense, especially the offensive coordinator, have a long way to go if this team's to have a special season. The defense is championship caliber.

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  • Was the first time I liked Paea's game

  • What a strange start to the NFL season. The only undefeated teams after 3 weeks are the Falcons, Texans, and WTF the Cardinals. The only teams without a win are the Browns and WTF Saints.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The Arizona Cardinals. JUST in case you needed any further evidence the the EXHIBITION season is totally MEANINGLESS!

    They are playing "Chicago Bear Style" defense and special teams in Glendale, AZ these days, folks.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    yeah Al... is that for reals? Are they actually good or are they just getting lucky?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I watched much of the first half and their d looks legit. Nice rainbow td from kolb to fitzy as well. Wouldn't call it luck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Defense / Spec teams seems to be real deal. Offense manged to get the ball to Fitz today.

  • Irish...I hope you heeded my advise...

  • In reply to Viva:

    I went Niners + Bears. Those BiQueens look GOOD.

  • This is the second time I'm saying Tim Jennings is a beast.

  • DAMMIT

  • No shit, where did all that stuff come from! :-)

  • Secondly, I gotta say, I'm not going to blame Hester because Cutler could not throw the ball straight.

    On the other side of the coin, I gotta agree that although Bush did okay, he is certainly not the weapon Forte is. But in his defense, he does CATCH THE DAMN BALL when it comes his way.

    Lest I seem to negative, I gotta credit the Rams secondary with some nice plays, especially in the first half.

    But in the end, a win is a win is a win.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Is Cutler's thumb just not right?

    He cut his thumb, it was bleeding. The camera did a close up of him putting gauze on the cut.

    What I noticed was the thumb itself. It's purple and chubby near the knuckle in a decidedly un-natural way. It doesn't really look normal anymore. Some of his throws were good and some had real zip, but his throw to Hester and a crossing throw to Bennett were just off, like they came out of his hand badly...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I hope you're wrong.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I've been saying this all year GP, and I think you may be right.

    it looks like he's had to change his entire throwing style/mechanics. It's almost like he throws side-arm now. I never noticed that before this year.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I saw the same things. I don't remember Cutler hitting one in stride all day.

    On the last thread I mentioned the running game was stuffed the entire second half. Somebody said we were ahead and trying to milk the clock so of course they stopped us. To that I say Bullshit! We were up 10-3. A little early to be killing the clock. We scored 1 offensive TD. Bush averaged 3.1 yds/carry, Bell was at a lusty 2.0 yds/carry. We had a total of 274 net yds on O. The Rams have a decent D but it's not like they are all world. Our O stinks. Period. Our OL is one of the worst in the league, our WR's must be close to leading the league in dropped passes, The last 2 games Cutler's accuracy has been pitiful. Even when he completes passes they aren't really on the money. Our D has been great all 3 games. ST's have been better than the other teams 2 out of 3 games.

  • Mike Tice will get the Line right. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind.

  • In reply to Viva:

    After the bye week they are going to start playing like they need to.

  • In reply to Viva:

    I hope he does it before the next game. Cutler's thumb won't be the only thing on him that doesn't look right

  • In reply to Viva:

    Wish I had your confidence, Viva. They never got it right last year.

  • Great victory song Jeff.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Wish I could agree but I'll always prefer this...
    http://melaman2.com/nfl-fightmusic/Bears__Bear_Down_Chicago_Bears.mp3

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, that's one of the first songs I ever learned as a little kid. Last year, as part of a media campaign, the Bears organization delivered my Uncle's season tickets to his home. When the camera crews showed up, my uncle was in the front yard belting out the fight song! My Grandma and Dad were in the background on the news coverage. My 87 year old Grandma has been a die-hard Bears fan since the 40's. She never misses a game. She gets so nervous before a game, she just chain smokes, sometimes having 3 smokes going at the same time. She gave me this painting when she downsized after my Grandpa died. Got it in my living room.

    http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/chicago-bears-super-bowl-xx-autographed-lithograph

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    VERY cool picture.

    That was the version of the BEAR DOWN... that WGN Radio used on their broadcasts when they carried the Bears. Ony full version I ever tracked down is on an old Vinyl LP I tracked down on Ebay called
    THE NFL MARCHING SONGS. BEAR DOWN..is the best of them, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS notwithstanding.HAIL.. is good (the version on the LP ends with DIXIE played in counterpoint to the chorus. A reminder that then 'Skins onwer george Preston Marshall considered the Redskins to be "The South's" NFL team.) so are the CARDINALS' and COLTS' songs. Packers? Not so much. The album is from about 1960 and predates NFL Films and, of course, a whole lot of frannachises. Each team song is introduced by a player from that team.
    George "Moose" Connor for the Bears, Johnny Unitas or the Colts and Bart Starr for the Pack, among others.

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    In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wow, the genuine song. That's how I remember it growing up. Thanks Albert.

  • A silly play call. A poor execution....

    If Hester makes that catch, it's a brilliant play call. Hester was wide open and let a simple pass slip through his hands.

  • "If Hester makes that catch..."

    And if your Aunt had pair she'd be your UNCLE.

    I repeat myself from the last thread:

    We have 6 foot three, 6 foot four and 6 foot SEVEN receivers but they throw that fade to the guy who is FIVE foot eleven?

    Execution aside, it WAS a silly, STUPID call. One worthy of Ron Turner.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    ... the guy was wide open Al. Tice called the right play. Hester didn't execute it.

    So when Marshall drops it ..we blame his hands but when Hester drops it.. we blame Tice?

  • This was a FADE route.
    You throw it HIGH in the air,
    like a baskeball shot
    It's designed to TAKE ADVANTAGE
    of a receivers' HEIGHT.
    At 5 11, there IS no advantage. Unless the defender is Herve Villecheize or Billy Barty, ergo, STUPID call and YES, we blame TICE.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I know what a fade route is amigo.. I am pretty sure he didn't run a fade..

    The pass was put in a bad spot for Hester to catch it but it hit his hands. If it was a bad play call, why did Hester get open?

  • Like I said on Twitter, I think the call, if Jeffrey hadn't been subbed out a couple of plays earlier, was brilliant.

    And Hester just mistimed the jump from what I could see.
    With Jeffrey in there, it would have hit him in the facemask.

  • Cutler didn't execute, you mean.

  • Hester mistimed his jump but the pass was way too high. Shitty execution by both Cutler and Hester.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Thank you, Canada. And misguided to call that play for a comparative MUNCHKIN like Hester.

  • 2-1

    Next victim please present yourself. That's what happens when you run the ball up their ass and physically abuse the other team with your D line.

    That was a fucking beatdown. The score should have been higher and will be as the season progresses. If the D can play like that consistently I'll be a happy man. Feels like 2005 on defense.

    Bear Down, time to kill Romo.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Roger that!

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Johnny our running game sucked wang. Bush averaged 3.1 yds/carry and Bell 2.0 yds/carry.

    Totally agree about the D. Don't agree the score should have been higher. We had 274 net yds.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    did yoiu not watch the first half? i concede that the run calls got predictable in the 2nd half and overall it looks average but the bears were controlling the line of scrimmage in the first half.

    it will get better. Cutler's thumb is hurt and he just isn't saying anything. It looked like he jammed the fuck out of it.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I watched the entire game and either you're easily impressed or I'm a tough sell. We ran the ball 19 times for 77 yds in the first half for a 4.1 yd avg. Hardly overwhelming. Bush had 2 or 3 nice runs + Hester's end around accounted for about half of the 77 yds. That leaves 15 carries for about 35-40 yds. If that's controlling the LOS we're in trouble.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Wasn't Hester's end around good for like 8 or 9yards? I don't remember a 35+ yard end around.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    It was 8.

    Jay also had a 21 yard scramble.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Hester got 8. Bush had 3 runs for 8-12 yds. That adds up to 35-40 yds. 19 carries-4 carries= 15 carries. 77 yds-35/40 yds=35/40 yds. That leaves 35/40 yds divided by 15 carries. You don't even want to do the math on the remaining yds/carry in the first half.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Receivers dropped almost 90 yards of passes yesterday. That is uncommon and not indicative of what they are capable of. The number could have easily said 360 net yards, Cutler 270 yards a TD and an INT.

    I'm not worried at this point. I'm actually excited.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I'm excited about the D. They look as good as the 2005 unit. ST's seem like they are on the verge of a huge game. The O just plain sucks and Cutler has a lot to do with it. Great QB's make everyone around them better. He isn't.

    I'm hoping things get better but I have no confidence it will. If our D plays like this all year we can probably grind out enough wins to make the playoffs. After that, it's one and done.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I disagree Canada. The NFC is pretty even at the top. Who scares you? Packers, Niners and Giants have all shown weakness. Cardinals? Maybe, but I doubt it. Falcons? Possibly. Definitely no shoe in to be found though. Bears are in this thing as much as anybody to this point.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    We have a terrible offense with the 31st rated QB. The Packers smoked us. The Giants would smoke us. Would you bet on the Bears to beat San Fran, AZ or ATL? I wouldn't.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Our running game usually sucks wang, because our line sucks.

    I like Bush, but he just does not have the speed. On the three runs that worked well where Bush picked 12, 13, and 12 yards, Matt is likely to have turned one of them into a 40 to 50 yarder (or perhaps 70), but let's say 40. Add those 28 yards and the team average goes from 3.0 to 3.8.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    Gotta agree Dave. The Rams sold out to stop the run in the second half and our passing game did not make them pay. Maybe the passing game gets better as the season goes along but I'm not holding my breath.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I dunno, I sure remember us moving the chains with Jeffrey much more effectively in the second half than in the first.

    I was as shocked as anybody that we were only up a field goal after absolutely dominating the time of possession and yardage stats through the first half (until the typical cover-2, play 30 yards off the line of scrimmage series that we let them put together to end the half).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I agree that Jeffery was the most encouraging part of the O in the second half. However, we didn't score a TD in the second half and we had a total of 274 yds for the game. The Lions and Skins marched up and down the field on these guys.

  • as I said in my game report last thread. Agree 100% with jeff on the pep penalty. a few of you guys have said it was no big deal... I watched it live and then multiple times on the jumbotron... each time it was fucking idiotic. Just lame. I was literally shocked he did that.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1 on Pep, but if they call THAT, then they HAVE to flag the Carimi throw down.
    Kudos to Carimi for staying cool.

  • How 'bout Briggs smoking the WR on Major Penis' INT. That was the highlight of the day for me.

    Not sure why Jackson was playing for the Rams. He had a couple of decent runs early but clearly he was not healthy. The Rams might regret that decision later in the year.

  • Said it in the last thread, but that's lost in the ebb and flow of time so I'll say it again:

    watch the lions/titans game. It was hilarious.

  • McKayla Maroney is not impressed with the offensive performance.

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    Well, we know one thing. We don't have to worry about having the "is Jay Cutler an elite QB" debate for a while. Best we've had in a long time. But he is too inconsistent. Right now, average would be a statistical improvement.

    Here is hoping JC can find his rhythm. Go Bears! Good Win.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    He will. This last game was a lot like the Lions game I attended at Soldier Field last year, defense-dominated. Cutler will rebound, but he'll probably have another doozy or two, I just hope the worst is already behind him(GB).

    I get all the Cutler-hating as of the last two weeks, I think it mostly has to do with the Lambo game and them being our rivals and him sucking royally. But really, coming into that game, he'd won like 6 or 7 in a row. Dunno how good he looks vs Ware and the Cowgirls, but it won't be long before shit starts clicking on the O. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

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    In reply to ben in norcal:

    The problem is, that he is not as good as he was during the win streak last year. He's not even close. I don't hate Cutler, but I was defending him as an elite QB in the making. But he has regressed.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    new personnel, new system, shit oline.

    Even with all of that we still go to the playoffs.

    NFC Championship game in his 2nd year on the team and first year in martz system with no weapons.

    7-3 and doing it all by himself with no oline help before he went down last year.

    Say what you guys want but the Bears win games in part because we have a QB that can make it happen.

  • In reply to Big Mike:

    He's rated #31 in the league.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    We don't really need to discuss the relevance of how many yards per game and TD's Cutler has and how that has any impact on our winning percentage do we?

    We don't need to throw for 4200 yards per year because we have 2 running backs that can both get 1000. We won't see 40 TD's out of Cutler because we don't pass on the 5 yard line to score.

    We will win however and that will always irritate those who think you have to win a certain way or else the wins somehow don't mean enough.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    After week 2, Vick was on pace to break Brees' single season passing record.

    YPG at 3 weeks in, I think is about as close to meaningless as you're going to get, not to mention the fact that it correlates to wins how?
    We're 2-1, and our QB is ranked 31.
    Big Ben is ranked #2, and his team is 1-2 after losing to TWO of the AFC West teams.

    To make it even more fun, Christian "They drafted who?" Ponder is #5. Sure, the Vikings are 2-1, but they've managed to beat the "best" team in the NFC, lose to the bottom-dwelling Colts, and take Jacksonville (also a shit team) to OT.

    Too early to get worked up over Jay yet this year.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    The problem with Jay is that he has not looked good. Football is a team sport, and the Broncos won a lot of games last year with Tebow, but we can't rely on our D/SP teams as much. We've already tried that formula and have no rings to show for it.

    And it's not just one facet where Jay has seemingly regressed. His accuracy, his poise, his mechanics, his decision making all look to have regressed. He's a veteran. He shouldn't be susceptible to "sophomore slump"!

    The fear in the back of everyone's mind is the thumb. Just because it's functional doesn't mean it's perfect, and in football, any little difference can cause a loss.

    Or, maybe Cutler just doesn't have "it". Could be as simple as that.

    Too early to tell, but we'll find out a lot as the dreaded night time nationally televised game is coming up. It'll be a step up.

  • I would say that Cutler looked good in the first game.

  • In reply to EnderWiggin:

    The Colts made Gabbert look good too.

  • I don't know if anyone else pointed out the fact that DJ Moore said this weekend:
    "If I could have babies I would want Jay Cutler to be my baby father."

    What the what?
    He did a great job disrupting Bradford on a nickel blitz yesterday, and he's got the best barber of anyone on the team, but, man, he is weird.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hahahaha thaaaaat is hilarious.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That sure brightens up an otherwise underwhelming victory.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    How about that solo tackle of his where he went right around a blocker and still tackled the receiver for a loss.

  • In reply to ben in norcal:

    That was a great play. He's really quick but the blocker looked like his feet were in cement.

  • Although there were plenty of great defensive plays at lambo on thursday night fb, I couldn't bear to watch it again. This game, however, will be re-broadcasted later tonight in my house when the TV is wife-free.

  • Interested to see the consequences of Bill Belicheat's "Laying on of hands" on an official after the Sunday Night game.

    If I'm Roger G., Billy boy gets a week off because "We sent out a memo this week, which apparently you chose not to read or chose to ignore. It said ' to tone it down' with the fake zebras. Instead, you amped it up by grabbing one. I KNOW they suck. Deal with it. Bitch to your owner, they are the ones trying squeeze Lincoln off the penny. If it was up to me I'd have gone to the petty cash drawer and settled before the FAKE games. YOU get to write me a check for $50K AND watch next week's game from MY suite. And guess what? That suite won't be at the Patriots' game."

  • Not sure if Cutler is hurt, it looked like his thumb was fucked on a couple of close ups, but he is the 31st rated QB in the league. I know our OL is beyond horrible and the WR's are dropping passes like they are bags of shit, but he's been really bad. I'm no longer making excuses for him or playing the woulda, shoulda, coulda game. He is what he is, a highly talented, very erratic, not very reliable QB. I desperately hope this changes.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Damaged goods?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Hard to say. His thumb was bleeding and it looked like he was bothered by it. Who knows? You know Halas Hall won't be forthcoming with any info.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Looked to me, after rewatching the play a few times, that he jacked it up tackling Finnegan after the interception.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Gotta give him credit for sticking his head in there after INT's. Unlike the Lesbian. He was not accurate all day so I have no idea when it started bleeding.

  • This organization handles QBs like Lennie Small handles rabbits.

  • In reply to Shady:

    +50

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Best laid plans, and all.

  • Listening to the Jay Cutler show and had to stop for the sake of my fandom. Jay is just such a dbag. "Oh are we not guessing anymore" "I thought you knew everything already"
    I want the dude to win every time he goes out there but I also want to stooge slap this fool.

  • Gotta agree. Right now he's like the Sex Cannon with a shittier personality. I realize dealing with the media in Chicago is incredibly difficult. However, he signed up to do the show. Be a professional.

  • It is part of their schtick, Waddle made a joke about it as the show started and it was obviously a joke.

    This Cutler bashing is getting crazy. Pack mentality prevails i guess.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Johnny I'm not swayed by the media and certainly not by the fans. I stood up for Cutler for 3+ years due shitty OC's, new systems, crappy WR's and a terrible OL. At some point enough is enough. He's been terribly inaccurate, prone to meltdowns, the higher the stakes the crappier he plays, has the maturity level of a HS jock, would rather put it up for grabs than throw it out of bounds and is prone to blaming other for his failures.

    Nothing would make me happier than to see the Cutler that won 5 in a row last year re-appear. My patience has run out. If he turns it around and the O starts to look professional grade, I'll be the first to admit it and will be leading the cheers.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Oh, you'll have to admit it alright but you will not be allowed to lead the cheers. :)

    I am intrigued to see what people will be talking about when the Bears are 4-1 after the Jags game.

    I predict it will be the common comment that 3 of the wins should have been no brainers and that the Cowboys are overrated like they always are.

    I respect your position but will freely say that it is wrong will be proved to be so.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    I'm pretty sure most of us will be saying, "Damn, this D is freaking awesome. When is the O going to show up?"

    Johnny I hope you're right and I'm totally wrong. However, Cutler has shown next to nothing these last 2 games and the O is missing on more cylinders than it's hitting.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I know i'm right and there is no doubt that the offense will continue to transition into a more consistent group. We've made changes in week 2 this year instead of week 6 and the result will be 11-5 or 12-4.

    This is an honest question because I don't know how the QB rating is developed:

    What is Jay's QB rating if Marshall doesn't tip that pass into Finnegan's hands and if Jeffrey catches that fucking perfect slant that couldn't have been thrown better?

    Someone please calculate that for me. Then apply that stat to a 23-6 victory since we will assume no additional scoring occurs as a resutl of what would have been 1st down conversions in the Rams zone.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Johnny every QB has passes dropped and tipped passes intercepted. Do I think Cutler is the 2nd worst QB in the league? Of course not. Do I think he's been ineffective these last 2 games? You bet. His accuracy has been all over the map. His total meltdown in GB would have been embarrassing for a rookie let alone 6 year vet.

    When he's on his game he's a top 10 QB. When he's getting a lot of pressure he completely freaks out and throws it up for grabs. Totally unacceptable. Yesterday there really wasn't that much pressure and his throws were off most of the day.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    "Shitty OCs" - check.
             › Tice's gameplan has not been hot. Even his son has been giving him the business. As always, it will get better... and he's certainly not Turner/Martz, but the last 2 games have been a combination (Pizza Hut & Taco Bell) of the two - idiocy and predictability.

    "New systems" - check.
             › Just because Tice piggy-backed slightly off Martz' verbiage (which I believe was more rah-rah-rah out of Halas Hall than truth. Primarily to prevent "another system!?!" type dissent from the fans yet again), doesn't make it a heaping dose of continuity. It's certainly a new system, that is, specifically, working out the kinks.

    "Crappy WRs" - check
             › Yeah, we got Marshall. He's big. We have Jeffery. He's big. They still drop some gimmes. They are a major upgrade over what we had, but they are brand new in this system (or NFL) and have yet to get down the chemistry that quickly forgotten Bennett and JC had the last 2 years.

    "Terrible OL" -
             › Has it been worse? I don't know.

         

    "At some point enough is enough" - Yeah, and we are far from that point. Give us time to gel. I'm sure you messed your undaroos after game 1 - we all did. The potential is there, and to say "enough is enough" in regards to Jay seems goofy, especially after giving him a pass due to the 4 preceding factors. Enough is enough with the organization. Not the QB.

    -Willie, Jay Cutler Apologist Extraordinaire.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Obviously you're still optimistic about Cutler. Obviously I'm not. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I thought I asked everyone never to yes the word 'gel' for the oline on this blog ever again. It hurts me.... why... because it's copout/substitute for 'we fucking blow donkeys' (and by right now I mean for the last 5 years)

  • You want to know what it's like to have a shit QB that throws for a lot of yards?

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/24/reid-on-qb-change-well-evaluate-it-as-we-go/

    That is what it's like.

    I'll take my chances with a sour faced tell it like it is qb with the balls and talent, whether anyone likes it or not, to take this Bears team to the post season.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    The tell it like it is QB is loathe to accept any blame. He does have balls and talent. Unfortunately he is missing other qualities of a winning QB. Such as leadership, maturity, knowing when to throw it out of bounds and knowing the risk/reward for every situation in the game.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    he's accepted blame in every game, he just doesn't lie like everyone else and say it's all on him. Do you know who can say that and mean it? Vick.

    It's not the QB's job to lie and be a PR man just to satisfy some weird fantasy where we the fanbase and public somehow think our player is more honorable because he voices complete contrition for the offense not being a well oiled machine.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    any grown adult and even some precocious youngsters understand that Football is a team game. When players start playing the PR game like Brees it becomes cheap and illogical and not honorable and a move of a leader. I don't need my QB to play pretend to be happy with the utter shit that has been the O Line and O coordinating over the last 3 years. I don't need him to lie to me and just because he seems sincere and confident/comforting when he says it that makes it so...because it doesn't.

  • In reply to Waffle:

    It would be nice if he would accept the blame when it's on him. His play against GB was laughable.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    This "not accepting blame" thing is so fucking ridiculous.

    He has said multiple times that GB was his fault.

    I remember telling you to listen to the damn show instead of getting the gist from people here, who also... maybe didn't pay enough attention.

    Go listen.

    Come back.

    Apologize.

    I love you, I love Canada, but I hate continually reading that uninformed PFT-like bullshit.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    I did go back and listen to it. He kinda, sorta accepted some blame. A little humility and remorse goes a long way. Waddle and Silvy kept teeing it up for him to redeem himself and he kept acting like they were picking on him. We all hear and see what we want to hear and see.

  • His "sense of humor" is just to be flippant and condescending. It's annoying as a fan.

  • you're guessing Sac

  • In reply to Waffle:

    Ha!

    Waffle... I swear, your presence here is needed.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Totally agree. I'm glad he's so optimistic and his enthusiasm is contagious. Right now I have no optimism left when it comes to Cutler. Hopefully he'll get back to the same QB that won 5 in a row last year. Unfortunately I'm also out of hope.

  • YMMV - if I had to put up with some of those idiotic questions from Silvy, I guarantee I'd be flippant and condescending too.

  • "Flippant and condescending" in other words, a perferct fit for 670 The Score.

  • Anyone else thinking McClellin is going to be a superstar in this league and the next great Bear defender? After 3 games I've liked what he has brought to the table.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    So far he's been an effective situational pass rusher with a great motor. He will need to hit the weights and keep developing. I've been happy with the pick. When was the last time we can say that about a Bears first-round pick?

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I've got a good feeling about him and could see him playing linebacker in the future.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Gabe Carimi

  • In reply to Viva:

    I'm a lot happier with Chicken Dinner than Carimi. I'm still holding out hope Carimi will be a 10-year starter at RT but right now he's just a guy. Part of that is due to his injury last year. Hopefully the further in the rear-view mirror that injury is the better he plays.

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    And he's white, which is likely the biggest plus for you.

  • In reply to Crown:

    I think that was Jersey Flyer......I think Jersey Bear is a different guy.

  • In reply to #76 Mongo Murph:

    Glad you cleared that up. I was wondering that myself.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Damn, what's that all about???

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    You're right Murph. My bad JerseyBear.

  • In reply to Crown:

    All good Crown. I guess I picked a bad user name for this blog!

  • In reply to JerseyBear:

    Jersey Flyer was a shade on the racist side......so thats why Crown said him being white was a big plus for you. You're good to go now JBear!

  • This song makes me very happy. If this can bring you a fraction of the joy it has brought me, consider it a gift -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes

    The only problem is that it doesn't go on for eternity.

    (This is not a Ricky Rolly)

  • Let the record show that Waffle used an emoticon.

    Other than that, I tend to fall on his side of his Cutler argument with Canada. And while this is true, I still think Cutty is kind of a d-bag who needs to work on maturity and leadership. About censorhip and company lines, I could care less.

  • I'm more in the Canada camp with Cutler. After Cutler TOTALLY melting down against the Pack, who were vulnerable, I have little faith in him as a player (I could care less about him as a man, but sometimes being a better man leads to a better player).

    That is to say, I have as much faith in Cutler as a Cowboy's fan has in Romo.

    The next game is going to be mirror images going against each other, and it'll be interesting to see who melts down first, Cutler or Romo.

    But, I have the right to reverse my judgment on Cutler. Like I said before, when he beats an upper tier team (9ers, Pack, Texans) and not a wild-card or lower team (Rams, Cowboys, Lions, etc), then I'll be back on the Cutler wagon.

    And of course I'm gonna be rooting for him, but he now does NOT have the benefit of the doubt. He now has to PROVE that he can win big games - no more excuses...bad oline, scheme, personnel, not enough snickers...

  • Those excuses were valid before... how are they not valid now?

    You know why we bitch now that he isn't good enough? Because of him, and what he has done to make the fans of the fucking Chicago Bears feel what it's like to have a REAL QB.

    I guess we are now too far removed from the Ortons, and Grieses, and Rexys to just be happy that we have a capable QB.

    He's not the best. He's not consistent. He makes stupid mistakes. We all knew this going in. But we went from shit to shinola.

    But now, we can't tell the difference. We've had shinola for so long, we forgot what shit was like.

    For all you JC haters, please remember who he is... a flawed but talented QB. If you can't, then just remember who he's not - Rex fucking Grossman.

    The excuses worked for us before he bumped someone on the side-line and had an "inexcusable meltdown" (quotes mine), but now we don't allow them?

    We're 2-1. Get over it. You don't want excuses, then you should have never made them. Because the valid excuses from the last 3 years are still pertinent today, bump notwithstanding.

    This whole thing is so fucking stupid. My post included. I'm going back to my Thrift Shop song.

    I still try to love you guys, though.

    (I'm off the patch today, so I'm irritable. Excuse emotional outbursts and incomprehensible rambling.)

  • I am also seriously wondering whether Campbell would be a better option for this team. Campbell and Jay have comparable numbers and have had somewhat similar career paths. Campbell played under so many different o-cordinators, that I believe he was never given a fair chance - and he still performed ok.

    With our D and SPs, we need an Orton not a Sexy Rexy.

    But unlike Orton, Campbell actually has an arm and is 6'5 230ish.

    It won't happen, barring injury, but just a thought...

  • Oh.. I got one line in before I said "shut the fuck up" out loud. In cubicle land. They're all staring. And they know, they all know you just said stupid things, Skip.

    Ugh.

  • I'm glad we have Campbell as a backup.
    I really am.

    But have I ever seen this group so down in the dumps over a fucking 2 1/2 TD win?

    No.

    Guys - buck up, cheer on Seattle tonight and try to remember that we won this week.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm not down in the dumps, more of an "eh" and getting bad flash backs of Rex the playmaker. Rex had some awesome games, but then, he had turnover fest games.

    The D and SP teams made games a lot closer, but am I talking about Bears 2005 or 2012? See, bad re-run.

    Like I said, I don't "hate" Cutler, I actually like him and his devil may care attitude. BUT, if our D is playing this well, is that necassarily the best philosophy to have at QB?

    I can understand if you're a the Redskins and the other teams are rolling 30 points on you, then you need a high-risk/high-reward QB just to stay in the games.

    But our D is playing out of their fucken minds. It'd be ashame to waste that effort because of erradic QB play - AGAIN.

    I'm not saying to bench Cutler after 2-1. That's insane. But after this season is over, I think we have a big decision to make. Next year is Cutler's final year under contract. Schuab and Flacco were considered in Culter's category, but they appeared to step up their games. Can't say the same about Cutler...(please insert reason/excuse here).

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm hopin Matt Flynn can contribute something that helps the Seabirds win.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Hmmmmm, I have the Pack -3 1/2 tonight. I'll be back on the I hate the Pack bus either way tomorrow, especially if I lose $.

  • Thats just ridiculous! I know youre spitballing but that just earned you a "what you talkin about willis" and a "oh hell nah!"

  • Love the heated and contentious Cutler exchanges today. That's why were all here. My friend showed me an article yesterday during the game that explained that Cutler, through his 7 years in the league, most stacks up against Brian Griese's first 7 (not including his rook year he didn't play.) Of course, I can't find it now, but I looked at the numbers:

    Griese: 16,342 yds, 103 tds, 71 ints
    Cutler: 18,925 yds, 120 tds, 92 ints

    However, I believe Cutler hasn't reached his peak and has way more potential and upside than this comparison suggests. But, the numbers are the numbers. The old Jeff George comparison doesn't really apply these days anymore. It's now Griese. Cutler hasn't shown yet that he's high second tier on the cusp of closing in on the first tier. I still think he can prove this by the end of the year.

    I hope this makes Willie shit a brick.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Jay Cutler is a tough, intense, and competitive mother fucker. He is the perfect QB for the Chicago Bears.

    No stat will ever show you that.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Through and through. I want him to be the guy.

  • In reply to Crown:

    The "potential and upside" comments combined with the slight optimism towards the end was all I needed. The rest was just pops and buzzes.

  • Campbell (Through 71 games)

    2,131 yds, 74 TDs, 50 Ints

    Cutler (81 games)

    2,614 yds, 120 TDs, 92 Ints

    Like I said, high-risk/high reward. However, the 9ers were a snap away from the SB with a Campbell-ish QB.

  • AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We were in the same game as the 49ers with a Cutler-ish QB. His name was Jay fucking Cutler!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!! My head is going to explode!!!!!

  • Football, more than any sport, creates an environment that is so intertwined with multiple factors that comparisons are exercises in mental masturbation at best.

    Yes, you can compare yds, tds, ints, completion percentage, all that... but you don't get the whole story.

    Can you compare Emmitt's numbers to Payton's? Barry's? Peterson? Sure, you can do whatever you want... Will I give a shit? No.

    What I can tell, with my eyeballs, is that Cutler is far superior (talent-wise) to anything we've had since McMahon. Bring out Kramer's numbers.. bring out Grossman's 4 good games... Quote things about someone named Sid Luckman.

    I can tell these things about Jay Cutler, without a single stat:

    1. He can throw the ball.
    2. He makes stupid decisions.
    3. He has a shitty offensive line.
    4. His personality is not like Eli Manning.
    5. He's better than what we had.
    6. He's a tough summummabitch.
    8. Haters gonna hate.

    Fuck a stat.

    Brick shat.

    Romo. Fucking. Dead.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Oh yeah.

    7. "You're just guessing"

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    ROMO. FUCKING. DEAD.

  • Lest we forget, two years ago we saw the Giants in WEEK 4 beat the shit out of Cutler on national television. We saw the concussed version of Cutler crasping at his lineman to fucking block somebody. A few months later, we were in the NFC Championship Game.

    Last year, we saw an aggitated and shell-schocked Cutler telling his O-Coordinator to go fuck himself, which was followed up with a 5 game rally to put us in the playoff race.

    Cutler is proof that you can't please all people all the time.

  • Crown,

    Here is an older post where Griese cam up:

    http://www.dabearsblog.com/2007/09/these_are_the_times.php

  • Dayum! The Warren Sapp vs B Marshall is heating up. Fat man can dish it out but he sure cant take it.. unless we're talking about ice cream.

  • For the record I'm not a Cutler hater.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    For the record I don't distrust Canada the country as much as I let on.

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