Why We Foolishly Care About the NFL Preseason

Why We Foolishly Care About the NFL Preseason

Ask yourself a single question: Is there any sport in the vast world of athletics wherein preseason games/matches are dissected with the rigorous attention paid to the NFL's August exhibitions?

Spring training baseball games are glorified picnics. There is more drama between corrupt AAU "handlers" and assistant college coaches in a Bronx high school gymnasium than in a Knicks v. Heat game in late October at the Garden. The NHL has a meaningless regular season so there's an almost sub-meaninglessness quality to that which happens prior.

Then there's the English Premier League - soccer's preeminent collection of clubs. They handle their preseason a bit differently. These clubs (top to bottom) spread out across the globe to play friendly matches with sides in America, Mexico, Brazil, Malaysia...etc. Why do they do this? Sure, you could argue it's to find their form for the season to come. But that's a difficult stance to take when a third of the roster doesn't make the trip and the big stars are substituted out of the match as soon as the manager can do so without drawing the wrath of the paying public.

The truth? Money! They play these matches for money. That paper shit that allows you to buy things like milk and Playstation games and prostitutes. (Well you normally wouldn't buy a prostitute. You sorta rent.) Manchester United knows they can sell-out massive buildings around the globe and stock their coffers with money. So they do. The supporters treat these matches as nothing more than exhibitions of talent. The media, even that harshest of harsh British sport press, barely rate the events for coverage. The matches in their entirety - results AND individual performances - carry zero meaning.

But not so with the NFL. NFL preseason games are aired on national television. They are top stories on sports' pages in New York, Chicago, DC...etc. Even though 95% of what happens in the summer months does NOT correlate to the fall and winter, fans still respond to the exhibition action with emotional bursts as irrational as they are illogical. (When I asked on Twitter who might be a surprise cut for the Bears Saturday, someone actually wrote they hoped Charles Tillman would be shown the door. Because he had a poor road game against a two-time Super Bowl winning QB...in August.)

And it's our fault! All of us. We love the NFL and nobody knows that better than the NFL. They charge us regular season prices for preseason contests because they know we'll pay. The networks charge advertisers healthily for preseason ad space because we've proven we'll watch. There were at least forty or fifty thousand people at MetLife Stadium Friday night. Why would Giants owner John Mara ever want to lose that essentially bonus revenue?

Preseason football is about one thing and one thing only: money. If you asked coaches and general managers across the league, they'd tell you they could learn exactly what they learn from preseason games in padded scrimmages against the same opponent. We, the fans, don't need to be part of the process. But we are because we're the checkbook. If the NFL thinks it can get an extra dollar out of us you better believe it will.

And I'm to blame as much as anyone. For all my "meaningless game" rants and raves, I spent Friday night at MetLife  and spent a fortune on $10 Bud Light drafts. I've also written a preview, posted a game thread and provided a recap for all three of these meaningless games and seen traffic skyrocket during those times. I am not going to turn down an opportunity to grow my readership by ignoring games I'd like to ignore. (Even I don't have that much integrity.)

But neither are Brad Biggs or Sean Jensen or David Haugh. The newspapers know the NFL sells and not one of them has ever enlisted a writer to call this whole preseason into question. Neither are ESPN or NBC. They want your eyes on the TV screens. We're all making money and we're going to treat every moment of the NFL preseason like its important because we know fans would rather hear about fake football than real baseball.

The fans are being scammed. And we don't seem to care. It's the American way. And nothing is more American these days than the National Football League.

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  • If I didn't already know about our oline and safety woes I wouldn't give a shit.

    As is, it's tough to watch this SB caliber team continuously struggle because of terrible (mis)management over the last 6 years. Pisses me off. Just three decent drafts in the last 3 years fixing obvious gaps and we'd be a lock for at the very least the playoffs. With our oline and revolving glass safeties, I am pretty worried... and the injuries haven't even really started yet.

    I’m really not trying to be gloom and doom, because I think some way some how we’ll have a really strong season and get into the playoffs (and then as we all know… no one knows from then on… 2011 gints anyone?)

    It just makes me mad to know that with some just logical, common sense picks and FA pick-ups we could be that much stronger.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    oh yeah... and first bitches.

    Bang! Bang!

  • Cutting Urlacher a possibility?

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/14703613-452/cutting-brian-urlacher-a-real-option-for-bears.html

    7.5 mill cap decision must be made a week from now. Not going to happen, but would make economic sense if he is no where from being ready.

  • In reply to Crown:

    no way. Ain't ever going to happen.

    Crown! Are you back maings... or just passing by?

    I hope you're going to join us for the Dec 16th game my man. I have to meet you.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'll be around as much as I possibly can. As much as I'd love to meet you and the rest of the crew, I moved to NYC for work about 6 months ago, so I won't be able to make the 16th. It's been so long, I forgot how to post an avatar pic. Some one help me out. I'm deciding between Denny fishing and mini-Denny in the supermarket checkout conveyor in the Coors light commercials.

  • In reply to Crown:

    gravatar.com

  • In reply to Crown:

    I originally thought I would be able to make the pack game, but had to change plans. I'll be back home for the Nov 25th Vikes game if anyone is going.

  • In reply to Crown:

    That was a ballsy column for a Chicago sportswriter to put out and as much as I hate to admit it, his points were valid. I can't believe it would happen either (nor would I want it to) but if it does then there was more to his injury than we were led to believe...

  • In reply to Crown:

    Thanks for the shout out on the last post. Good to have your oh so profane posts back. I miss them in the off season. We just need the Denny Green avatar back!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to Crown:

    Yep, let's cut Urlacher and go for the first draft pick next year. Let's also shoot Cutler in the kneecaps and sew Marshall's legs together. I just hope Hunter Hillenmeyer has been working out - I want to see that human marshmallow trying to play Mike again. Not.

  • You da man Irish. Hope all is going well.

  • Hey Jeff,

    Doc, Shady, MBP, and Johnny and I talked last night and we want to do a scheduled team seat buy for the 16th game. Do you want to coordinate something via a post so that as many guys on the blog can get in on it, or do you want us to do our own thing?

    It would be cool if you posted about a buy time and then we could get on stubhub or a similar site and find a big block of seats that anyone who wanted could get online and everyone can individually purchase a seat in the block at a certain day/time so that we are all sitting together.

    thoughts?

  • Well said, Jefe.

    Personally, I watch the games just to see my beloved take the field. Just to see the Burnt Orange and Emperor Blue. Win. Lose. Who cares.

    Matter of fact, it seems to me that teams that have a good preseason often do not have a good season and when teams go 1-3 in the preseason (85 Bears) they win the Super Bowl. So basically, I look for my beloved to suck like Ashlynn Brooke on a porn cock. After Fridays performance, our "ones" sucked just enough for me to sport my Super Bowl Chubby.

  • is that a new dance... the super bowl chubby

  • Holy Crap Doc! With the Mrs away it seems like you've ventured further afield than thefixfixfix.com.

    BTW, totally agree with ya.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    No Comment.

  • ...or a stunt cock?

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x187if_orgazmo-stunt-cock_sexy

    I watched Orgazmo with my folks while visiting at xmas a few years ago. Mom thought it was funny, Dad loved it. Got them hooked on Sunny in Philadelphia too.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I love this blog... thanks man. That was funny.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    The movie has an absurd ;plot, but I thought it was really funny.

  • Very insightful post Jeff, nice work.

  • In reply to Shady:

    24-2-5 just now

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What does that bring the K:D ratio to now? 0.33?

    Speaking of KD ratio, Kellen Davis has 28 receptions and 9 Touchdowns in his career. KD averages a TD about every 3 receptions while you average 1 kill for every 3 deaths. Mazel.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Counterstrike on PS3 just out for $14.

    I grabbed it and will run up my K:D ratio on you two, if you like. And anybody else, it's only $14 and I cut my teeth on CS on the PC before the era of the aimbot and DirectX hacks, so I'm looking forward to seeing it updated and modernized.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sorry I spent all my money on milk and prostitues.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Well done, sir. I love pouring milk on hos.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Are you talking old Counterstrike or the Global Offensive version that just came out?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Global Offensive game for PS3

  • In reply to Shady:

    why are you so cruel to me?

    On another note, you're super awesome at MW3, so you have that going for you in life. Mazels.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Which is nice...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-nQ-vPw5k

  • In reply to Shady:

    gunga galunga

  • Johnny Knox on PUP, Hardin on IR, McCargo and Blanchard gone + a few others (including Summers).

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Booooooo on the decision to keep the clown.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Not to mention T.O.

  • Ok, it's back to me with another installment of "Jeff doth protest too much"

    So far, the PS hasn't cost me a dime. Bears don't charge to get into Double-B. You show up. You can bring drinks in. DJ signed my football, he just walked over and said "what's up" and thanked US for coming out, and didn't charge us to sign anything. And when he couldn't sign any more things, everybody was cool.

    The games are on free TV. I don't have cable or uVerse DSL-TV, just an antenna. And I watch the games in HD... for free.

    It costs money to GO to the stadium, yes. Because it costs money to RUN the stadium. Clean the johns, run concessions, do the whole parking thing. City pays for those people they give orange vests to so they can shout at you and pretend they are directing traffic.

    And the tickets are expensive, because they can be. Wow, Capitalism 101 - football is popular, and things that are popular and hard to get tickets for cost more money.

    But all in all, football made itself into what it was through the tv networks and giving itself away and making money through revenue sharing and advertising. Not a bad deal for the little guy.

    I have no issue with the argument that Goodell is a fuck and a greedy little toady bastard. He's going to fuck the GAME of football over, so he can be all Ronald Reagan Air Traffic COntroller-esque on the refs. He wants to be known as the commish who takes a giant dump on anything union or organized labor. And he's done a helluva job at that. Over what amounts to small peanuts compared to what the league makes. Capital wins, workers lose, that's Goodell's mantra.

    But the pre-season has little to do with that. If anything, it's more about making the game accessible and making the players accessible and remembering what made the NFL into what it is.

    Also, the PS is somewhat revealing. I've made, over the last 30 years of watching this sport, fairly decent value judgements about teams based on their PS play. Jimmy the Greek used to say he LOVED the pre-season, it allowed him to nearly run the table in week 1. So, it has it's uses. It's going to have nearly no bearing on if we beat the Colts in week 1, but rooting for the roster and seeing who makes it and who gets cut is, to some of us Jeff, damn near the best part of the season.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The best part of the season starts in two weeks and lasts through the SB.
    Gp, here's some music spam for ya:

    http://mulearmy.net/govt-mule-10-31-2008-orpheum-theater-boston-ma/#.UDqIOqDAHU1

    Streaming music of Gov't Mule doing their Pink Floyd show. The Floyd set, about 2 hours, starts at song 14. It's a pretty damn awesome rendition of some great Floyd songs.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Nice.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Normally I don't get too worked up over Goodell. I was guessing the safety issue was more about protecting the owners profits than the players health. After this pissing match with the refs, I'm sure of it. I always thought the NFL officials were OK at best but after watching some preseason games, I'm hoping they settle quickly. I just don't see how the owners win this in the court of public opinion if the replacements work real games. They are beyond fucked. Not to mention, the league likes the games to come in at 3 hours. With these bozos it will easily add another 15 minutes to every game. Wait til they have to go under the hood. That will be painful.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    +1, I didn't know what I had til it was gone. We need those refs back. And my wife is a big Hochuli fan (which way to the gun show)? The subs are horrible. And I don't get why some are Div 2/3 refs - are the Div 1 refs too smart to be lured over?

  • In reply to Jokey:

    I think it has to do with the Div 1 contracts. They can't be a scab and return to Div 1. I'm not a big fan of Hochuli (although I do appreciate his explanations) but he looks like a genius compared to these guys.

  • I'm wondering if they waived Blanchard and kept McCown as a thank you for taking the heat off the front office after the Hanie disaster? I would have preferred they kept Blanchard but what do I know about QB's? I liked Hanie until he got a chance to start.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Everything I've heard about McCown, if they wanted to say thank you they could have waived him and offered him a job as the assistant WRs coach or something. Apparently he's really good with the rookies.

    If they cut Blanchard, its because Blanchard was the next Caleb Hanie. Decent in practice, decent holding a clipboard, able to look good in the pre-season and maybe even for a quarter or two of real game time. But give the opponent a week to prepare and some tape? Goodbye season.

    Emery will be forced to get a rookie QB sooner or later. Its too expensive keeping guys like Campbell on the roster every year, and not the best way to develop Cutler's replacement (5+ years down the road).

    The ideal situation is to do what GB managed to do. You get a steal in the draft (Rogers was a first rounder, but good players do fall to rounds 2-4). You give him reps in practice and at the end of games for a year or two, then an injury happens and he gets his shot. Either you've got trade bait, or the injury is serious and you start thinking seriously about a switch.

    If Emery didn't see that in Blanchard, then Blanchard needed to be waived.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    You're probably right NB. I was hoping Blanchard could hang around and develop. Oh well.

  • Hi Jeff - any idea when the tshirts will go out? Looking forward to wearing it to our fantasy draft!!:-)
    Thanks..

  • As an NFL fan I hate Preseason Football only because of the possible injury that can occur. Senseless and it means zero when it comes to the regular season. I usually don't watch them but I did watch the Giants Bears for some reason.

    When we didn't draft any Offensive Linemen I prepared to be let down this season. True that things can change and we have more weapons on Offense. But let's not sugar coat things OK. The Oline looked like yesterdays dogshit vs the Giants. Sure they are the Champs and not a lot of guys in the league can block some of those beasts consistently but wtf do we pay these guys for if they are not good enough to do the job?

    I'll stop there. I hope I'm wrong. I hope whatever Oline we put up on opening day can do the job. If not we're screwed and this time it ain't Luvie's fault.

    Sorry I've been away for a bit...I was laid off in May and I just got a job. Things have been tough but hopefully I'll be able to post and read this blog as much as I have in the past.

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Glad you're back, maing.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And congratulations on finding a new gig - it's tough out there.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    COngrats

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Congrats on the job front!

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    good job maings. Good luck

  • In reply to Bears-4-Ever:

    Glad you're back and glad you got another job. Way to go! It ain't easy.

  • Peyton Manning just took a hard, hard hit and got right up. Good for him. Rooting for him.

  • In reply to Crown:

    +1

  • In reply to Crown:

    fuck that guy.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Lmao +1

  • In reply to Crown:

    I'm fine with Peyton being good. Were he on the 49ers, the story would be different.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    As long as he's in teh AFC, I'll root for him. Consummate professional, that guy.

  • Scouting report from a Packer fan (I know) on S Perpah.

    "I hear that the Bears are looking at ex-Packer vet Charlie Perprah. Unlike most Packer fans would would diss anyone thats not on the team anyone I think he would be a good fit for the Bears. He has the range to cover deep and he is a big hitter with sticky hands. Regardless how his play was last year up and down he is still a good safety so the Bears are lookinh for options since Hardin is on the IR. I would say that Charlie is probably better this most of the safeties on the Packers roster outside Woodson and Burnett because the rest are rookie or second year players. Most people think he sucks because of the missed tackle in that playoff game but he was still a nice addition and the only person on that defense last year that at least attempted to tackle in the secondary."

  • That reads like a Packer fan's scouting report. That poster's English teachers can't be proud.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    makes me grateful I'm a Bears fan lol

  • Clutts is still on the roster. I like it.

  • In reply to Viva:

    Let's hope they go with 5 WR's and keep Clutts.

  • Counterstrike bots on hard are still the best bots in any FPS and make for excellent training. Oh the game is just modernized enough, without losing the character that made it great.

    That is all.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I was on the buy it button GP, but after watching the trailer... mmmmmehhhhhhhh.

    they want people to buy their game, and that's the trailer they put out? Sheesh. I know they're going for 'old skool guys' such as yourself and hoping to capitalize on the name and all, but looked very second-rate to me maings.

    Tell me I'm wrong and I'll drop the $15.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The tension is just so much more palpable in Counter-Strike. Nor do I mean to pick on Call of Duty over the rest of the shooters out there. Most of them just feel messy and chaotic and uninteresting.

    In Counter-Strike you have the sense that a real game of wits and reflexes is going on. It’s a blast, and this latest version is no exception.

    Exactly.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/08/22/3-random-observations-on-counter-strike-global-offensive/

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Watch this video - this is what it is to play.

    Then decide....

    http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/08/23/counter-strike-global-offensive-de-dust-gameplay

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Molotov overview

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN93xXfews4

  • In reply to gpldan:

    hmmmmmmmmm.... shady? Rabbit....

    Thoughts gents?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'm a Counterstrike fan from way back.

    I'm in.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    fag

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Child, please...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're just pissed because it doesn't have the IMS in it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i was just mussin

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Let's just get Madden.

  • In reply to Shady:

    ok

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Did you play the demo? I runs at, like, 10fps

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    hahahahaha... no.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It looks fake as hell to me.

  • now erik, you can come talk at the grown ups table once you get your PS3. Now go back to your table and play with your crayons quietly please.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    although i agree with Erik that hell is, in fact, fake

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, tension because it looks like it takes 30 fucking shots from a .45 to kill a guy.

    Jesus christo.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You have to hit what you're aiming at in C/S.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    awwwww... wanna come show me how it's done right now beachboy?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Haha - can't, maing - FF Auction going on.
    Be on in a bit.

  • Here's the back up for all the cuts: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=9011

    I honestly just don't get the hardin pick. I told you guys befor ethe season. Wasn't there still a Olinemen that fell at his spot? Fucken a, I'll never understand this regime's handeling of oline and safeties. Just. Don't. Get. It.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This regime? New regime MB. I think Emery has done a remarkable job to date. Can't judge this draft just yet. If Shamus racks up double digit sacks this year (might happen as he'll likely be a fresh legged situational rush like Mark Anderson was) and Alshon is what he looks like he might be, then the draft was legit. Even though he didn't address the o-line. Hardin's injury can't really be laid on Emery picking a potentially injury prone player. It wasn't some ticky tack bullshit like Major Wright always comes away with. He nearly broke his fucking neck trying to make a big hit. If he still hasn't produced in two or three years then Emery handled the pick wrong.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    "Hardin's injury can't really be laid on Emery picking a potentially injury prone player"

    Dude, are you serious?

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/brandon-hardin?id=2532855

    Allow me to read back the FIRST sentence to you sir, "considering the little playing time he has received the past two years because of multiple injuries"

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I was going to post 4 other draft review links from other sites, but they all say the same thing as the above.

    Bottom line, it was a VERY risky 3rd pick given his history.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    It was.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    +1 Hardin was IR waiting to happen.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    and yes, it's most certainly the same regime. A simple GM change (and one who has to take orders from the head coach) does not a regime change make my man.

    If Lovie and teddy had gone out the door with Angelo, yes, that would have been a regime change.

    Net net, the pick was fucking dumb. We needed oline and a real answer at safety. You do NOT gamble with one of you biggest position of need. you just don't.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Also strongly disagree on the notion of regime change. By all accounts, things are different with Emery in charge. He was strapped a bit in the beginning, with the decision to leave Lovie in place. But Angelo and Martz out, Emery and Tice in is definitely regime change IMHO.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hear you. I agree this pick was a risk. My point is that this particular injury is not something one could anticipate given his history. . If the guy had his knee scoped twice in college, got here and his knew blew in August, thats on Emery. But this isn't that. The kid appeared to have all the tools to play the position and had a very good combination of size, speed and strength. He missed a season because of a broken shoulder. That sucks, but isn't the type of injury (like Carimi's knee, Williams back, or Wright's everything) that would lead you to believe he's going to have a problem every other week in the NFL. He may still prove to be injury prone, but this paricular injury could happen to anyone. I'm not ready to call it a bad pick yet.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Confused. Comments show in reverse order chronologically. WTF?

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    It happened because CBs aren't trained to tackle the ball carrier the same.

    I played CB a bit, and no CB is given a 10 head start to tackle anyone.

    That's why Hardin just dipped his head. Size-Speed-Power is a double-edged sword.

    Like the zen saying goes, "the sword that saves the man, slays the man."

  • Especially true when the sword is a big, strong, fast dude that tackles whlie leading with the very crown of his own helmet.

  • Regarding Blanchard getting waived, that doesn't mean McCown makes the team as a third QB.
    Biggs brought this up and it's an interesting scenario.

    It's entirely possible the Bears go with only carrying Campbell and Cutler on the 53-man roster...I mean, that's one way of keeping Clutts in the picture without sacrificing Tice's favorite position group.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    very true. some teams gamble with 2 QBs. Might also be a good way to get an extra Safety.

    I seriously doubt anyone else is going to swoop up McCown, and there's so many good QBs in the league right now, we can prob stash Blanchard on the practice squad.

    If we get to our 3rd QB, our SB hopes are most likely dashed anyways.

  • 40 minutes - Auction league draft. Get in it to win it.

    (Sorry MB, that's the last one for-ev-er)

  • i'm good maings... it was the few times every thread that was getting a bit difficult.

  • shit... you broke the blog willie.

  • Willie is the hosebag this thread

  • SON OF A BITCH

    I had been so good for so long.

    I'll email the gnomes.

  • god tim tebow is fucking terrible. Why is this guy still an NFL QB? You want him as a trick H-back, great.

    Get that guy the fuck out of there please. jesus (see how I did that)

  • fixed... kind of.

  • At least fantasy is football-related. This video game talk shit is out of control. Every time I've read the blog recently, it has felt like a Chinese internet cafe with teenage gamers killing dragons, collecting gems and becoming sorcerers. Jesus christ men. Were less than two weeks away. Lets try to regain our football focus.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Now that was funny Crown. Good call!

  • In reply to Crown:

    +1

  • (stares at feet sheepishly)

    sorry Crown

  • Oooohhhhh... gems and dragons!

  • http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xphtbg_south-park-randy-s-chasing-the-dragon_fun

  • Man, that FF Auction draft was a fucken grudge match.

    It also had some wackiness: Tebow, Clutts, Cutler going early. Janikowski going for like11 bucks lol

  • I missed the draft, I was at work, and that works really well with an auction. I got given two running backs, Ryan Mathews and Toby Gerhart. FMS.

  • Irish... I drafted 4 good RBs... Let's make a deal.

    I have Steven Jackson, Jamaal Charles, Michael Turner, and Ray Rice (but he's mine).

    I'd take Wallace, Johnson, Nicks or Cruz off your hands.

  • You missed Artoo splooging all his cash on the first two picks he got in for (Rodgers and Foster), MBP drafting Clutts, Cutler going for over $50, whoever team CYNE is having an autodraft that didn't even spend half the money available. Good stuff.

    At least you have some RBs, I gave up getting one and stockpiled WRs for trade bait.

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    Artoo used *ALL* his money on those two picks.

    Maybe I don't "get" this game. Outside of paying for players, aren't we going to score week to week using the regular snake league point system?

    I paid $14 for Andrew Luck AND Ryan Fitzpatrick and somebody paid $62 for Tom Brady. I just don't get that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah, it's all about relative value and the strategy of letting people go bonkers early.
    There's a definite strategy to it, versus the regular snake draft.
    I could overpay for Gould at the end because I had cash to burn and no other needs on the roster.

    I liked your QB picks - great value.
    However, didn't you draft Seabass for $12?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Dude, Janikowski is worth every penny. In an era where Billy Cundlif got let go, there just aren't enough fat bald rapist Popeye clones that can bury 60 yarders to go around.

    Money well spent.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I got Brad, who will probably get me more points than you will get out of Luck and Fitzpatrick combined since you can't play two QBs. That was my logic in bidding so high for Brady. Now, you had more cash for RBs and WRs, but that's what makes the system interesting - how to spend wisely.

    Now that the draft is over, we're left with precisely the same system as in any other league. So the $32 you had leftover was a waste. The $2 I had leftover was a waste. I think it would be more interesting if the money was useful during the season as well - perhaps bad teams earning more money than good and the cash going towards FA acquisitions. But I still prefer this system to the snake draft, which really favors the #1 over #12.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    In my auction league at work, your leftover cash goes into your free agent acquisition budget ($100 + leftover cash).

    Min bid for a free agent is $5, and it's a silent auction - you can screw yourself by bidding $19 on a guy no one else bid for. But you bid $5 and someone bids $6 and you miss out.

    It's a fun approach, but I don't know how ESPN would handle it. I'll look into it.

  • In reply to Who is Willie Gault:

    Looks like that option is locked at this time.

    Regular waiver wire style.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Actually, I showed up at the auction late not knowing WTF was going on, really and started playing catch-up.

    I actually thought we got to keep cash we didn't spend, as well, roll it to the season to pick up waiver guys.

    I guess I should have read the rules.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's much more strategic compared to a snake format as there is a variety of choices for you in the draft. You don't have to worry about missing your guy cause you draft 12th in the 1st round. You can manipulate the opposition by nominating the guys they really want and thus, cripple their spending and increase the chances of you getting your guy when he gets nominated later.

    You can also chose the Artoo approach and put all your money into two studs, but then you become heavily reliant on those players and are screwed if they go down or have a subpar year; or you can spread the wealth and be solid at multiple positions.

    The $62 for Brady just shows that whoever drafted him was willing to use most of their budget as they were confident he would have a good year, whereas you got two value picks that have potential, but will have to have an amazing season to match Brady. If TB chokes and Luck excels, you will look like a genius...

  • In reply to DYLbear23:

    That's a smart move in Auction. Spend your cash on the players you really want i.e. most other people will too. Then buy dudes like Russell Wilson, Torrey Smith, David Wilson etc. for $1. Fill your roster with good guys that are under the radar, and the #2s that become solids when the main dude is injured. Guys like A-Rod and Andre Johnson can suck out as often as they put up the video game numbers.

    Just wish I'd been at the @#$%! draft!

  • jwad... i get your points maings, but any way you cut it Hardin was a very risky pick at 3. No matter what his upside, or that he doesn't know how to tackle after playing football for most of his life.

    I don't buy that argument one bit btw... in my Jr. high, high school, and college the very first thing they taught every single year in summer two-a-day's camp was tackling fundamentals. Didn't matter if you were a linebacker, DB, or punter. I have to imagine they do the same at historic football school like Punaho and even oregon st.

    To think that these guys can get to the NFL without knowing how to tackle is silly in my mind. Anyway, agree to disagree and we both hope the dude heals and turns into the next John Lynch.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hardin's tackle wasn't fundamentally unsound. He just dropped his head early and glanced his helmet off the thigh, giving his neck a good jarring.

    Peanut would have thrown his body sideways under the guys legs. Hardin forgot he wasn't in college anymore and these guys coming down the seam are fucking moose elk.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    That's what I'm going with. Maybe we get lucky and Conte, Wright and Steltz surprise us this year. Asking too much?

  • TO is back to living in a van down by the river.

  • I smoked the CPU on Pro, playing 5 minute quarters, I played the Niners and CPU played the Giants in Madden 13 demo.

    The system seems to have removed the "magic linebackers of death", the ones who had Nightcrawler like teleportation ability and pre-cognition like those wacky flating broads in Minority Report, knowing where the ball was going to be thrown before you even decided to throw it.

    All of that is gone, seemingly replaced with a rag doll physics system they call "infinity" because no two tackles look the same. The tax on your CPU, however, is beyond stupid. THis, being the first year of this new animation system, they have not optimized the code for the PS3 and as a result, a lot of the game runs at about 10 frames per second. Herky jerky land.

    It looks spectactular if you freeze it, but outside of that, the infinity engine screwed the pooch.

    Let me know if anybody else feels that way. This post was about video games, but I will say that I owned the Giants with Mario Manningham, who now wears #14, and that was a lot of fun, and Madden has decided to model Randy Moss' speed at, like, 42 or something, because he looks like George Burns crossing the street out there.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    so GP..when you said "T.O. is living in a van down by the river"...is this in Madden 13????!!! .....because I could see him sleeping or spooning with Scooby Doo and Shaggy...or maybe Fred in his ascot. This could actually be, in Madden 13 for those who need to go to the Dog House in Madden 13..so I could see Dez Bryant on the River, Sam Hurd dealing Scooby Snacks, maybe MJD could be living in a cardboard box attached to the Mystery Machine.......I mean this could be the "Hard Knocks" addition to NFL Madden 13...what do you think boyz????

  • In reply to lobotobear:

    It's true.

    If you go to the waiver screen, and try and add TO to your team, he is in fact animated in a van down by the river, eating a ham sammich.

    It's very sad. Sad music plays.

  • Crown makes an interesting point about Urlacher. It is unusual for him to say something intelligent but there is a first of everything. He also does a good job pointing out that this is Bears blog, not video game wizard blog. Now if we get Waffle to stop making racist/homophobic/misoginistic comments, we will be good.

    But on the point of the mighty Brian Urlacher, he is a true hero but may be past his time. We could use his money on new safeties and a punter.

    Crown - Why you move to NYC? It smells like urine there.

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:

    What up Trac? You should really read your unintelligible waste before posting and I recommend a basic writing workshop. When you're daughter got raped, did her body tend to shut everything down?

  • In reply to Crown:

    Out of bounds, man.

    Whether that's Trac or not....and hopefully not, not cool.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    -1

  • In reply to Crown:

    wow man. common. that was WAY OOB. If your first kid is a girl you'll get it at that point, but damn man.

    As a daddy of a 3.5 yr old angel that was very not ok. fuck man.

  • In reply to Crown:

    Haha! That is hilarious Crown. Rape is not funny in most situations. You are probably just mad because you are a loser and need to bagel dog it at the Holiday Inn because you can't afford a decent hotel. I stay at the Ritz Carlton or Four Seasons because I work hard and pay the bills. Congratulations on being the Trac hand puppet!

    I hope that when you enjoy NY City so much you go say stupid things on Giants or Jets blog.

  • In reply to BlitzKrieg:

    I'm honestly sorry, Trac. That was out of bounds. But, if my daughter ever got raped, I certainly wouldn't share that with randoms on the internet. That is a very serious character defect. That's why I don't believe you. I think it was a sympathy ploy to gain friends of a football blog, and you still were unable to do so. I do believe you work at a gas station though. No matter how many accounts you create, it's just not going to work out for you here. You've continually attacked me ever since you joined the site for some reason and that's partly why I got harsh. But, if you're going to stick around, you should at least keep up the foreigner role. It at least fits you're writing style. And, no, I'm not going to become a Giants or Jets fan. I ain't going nowhere; I'm bears for life. I was here before you and I'll be here after you. Again, I'm sorry. Let's avoid each other on here from here on out.

  • In reply to Crown:

    you're like a complex wine that's 60 proof. You gotta make it to that game in dec.

  • lol you may be getting scammed, but there's always a way to find these games for free (and in HD quality too). hello innanets...

  • Here is everybody in Auction league, and what they paid for every player.

    Steltz's Goldenlocks
    QB Drew Brees 53
    RB DeMarco Murray 34
    RB Tim Hightower 1
    WR Larry Fitzgerald 46
    WR A.J. Green 27
    TE Fred Davis 4
    FLEX Steve Smith 20
    D/ST Bills D/ST 1
    K Rob Bironas 1
    BE Aaron Hernandez 6
    BE Reggie Wayne 2
    BE Greg Little 1
    BE Alex Smith 1
    BE Laurent Robinson 1
    BE Ryan Williams 1
    BE Mike Goodson 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    Team MBP
    QB Cam Newton 46
    RB Tyler Clutts 1
    RB David Wilson 9
    WR Brandon Marshall 42
    WR Wes Welker 36
    TE Greg Olsen 4
    FLEX Alshon Jeffery 6
    D/ST Ravens D/ST 3
    K Robbie Gould 3
    BE Tim Tebow 5
    BE Robert Griffin III 6
    BE Jacob Tamme 3
    BE Ben Tate 10
    BE Antonio Brown 8
    BE Doug Martin 7
    BE Eric Decker 7
    Total: 196
    Remaining: 4

    Gaulter White
    QB Matthew Stafford 42
    RB Ray Rice 69
    RB Michael Turner 20
    WR Nate Washington 1
    WR Darrius Heyward-Bey 1
    TE Brandon Pettigrew 2
    FLEX Jamaal Charles 32
    D/ST Packers D/ST 1
    K Mason Crosby 1
    BE Steven Jackson 25
    BE Jon Baldwin 1
    BE Brian Hartline 1
    BE Randy Moss 1
    BE Dustin Keller 1
    BE Rashard Mendenhall 1
    BE Steve Smith 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    Death From Above
    QB Eli Manning 30
    RB Frank Gore 23
    RB Willis McGahee 14
    WR Roddy White 43
    WR Miles Austin 14
    TE David Ausberry 1
    FLEX Dwayne Bowe 12
    D/ST Seahawks D/ST 1
    K David Akers 2
    BE Reggie Bush 10
    BE Matt Ryan 10
    BE Beanie Wells 7
    BE Mark Ingram 5
    BE Kevin Smith 6
    BE DeSean Jackson 10
    BE Kenny Britt 6
    Total: 194
    Remaining: 6

    Team Grogan
    QB Aaron Rodgers 86
    RB Arian Foster 71
    RB Cedric Benson 3
    WR Jordy Nelson 27
    WR Kendall Wright 1
    TE Ed Dickson 1
    FLEX Pierre Thomas 1
    D/ST Broncos D/ST 1
    K Garrett Hartley 2
    BE Browns D/ST 1
    BE Eddie Royal 1
    BE Russell Wilson 1
    BE Brent Celek 1
    BE Todd Heap 1
    BE Isaiah Pead 1
    BE Plaxico Burress 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    Canton Bean Counters
    QB Tom Brady 66
    RB Marshawn Lynch 44
    RB Adrian Peterson 38
    WR Demaryius Thomas 12
    WR Steve Johnson 9
    TE Jermichael Finley 10
    FLEX Martellus Bennett 2
    D/ST Bears D/ST 6
    K Stephen Gostkowski 2
    BE Malcom Floyd 2
    BE Jahvid Best 1
    BE Coby Fleener 1
    BE James Starks 1
    BE Michael Floyd 1
    BE Rueben Randle 2
    BE Devin Hester 1
    Total: 198
    Remaining: 2

    Team Sweetness
    QB Michael Vick 20
    RB Ryan Mathews 22
    RB Toby Gerhart 4
    WR Andre Johnson 42
    WR Mike Wallace 36
    TE Antonio Gates 8
    FLEX Hakeem Nicks 25
    D/ST Falcons D/ST 1
    K Alex Henery 1
    BE Victor Cruz 23
    BE Dez Bryant 13
    BE Shane Vereen 1
    BE Josh Freeman 1
    BE Titus Young 1
    BE Mario Manningham 1
    BE Joe Flacco 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    85Clobering Clutts!
    QB Philip Rivers 15
    RB Chris Johnson 48
    RB Darren McFadden 34
    WR Julio Jones 24
    WR Justin Blackmon 4
    TE Jimmy Graham 43
    FLEX Trent Richardson 22
    D/ST Jets D/ST 1
    K Neil Rackers 1
    BE Daniel Thomas 1
    BE Donald Brown 2
    BE Jonathan Dwyer 1
    BE Brandon LaFell 1
    BE Kyle Rudolph 1
    BE Alfred Morris 1
    BE Rod Streater 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    TEAM CYNE
    QB Ben Roethlisberger 6
    RB Fred Jackson 18
    RB Roy Helu 8
    WR Greg Jennings 38
    WR Vincent Jackson 8
    TE Tony Gonzalez 4
    FLEX DeAngelo Williams 6
    D/ST Texans D/ST 2
    K Dan Bailey 1
    BE C.J. Spiller 5
    BE Pierre Garcon 4
    BE Robert Meachem 2
    BE Denarius Moore 2
    BE Matt Schaub 2
    BE Torrey Smith 3
    BE Isaac Redman 3
    Total: 112
    Remaining: 88

    Stafford's Last Season
    QB Jay Cutler 53
    RB Maurice Jones-Drew 50
    RB Matt Forte 54
    WR Lance Moore 1
    WR Sidney Rice 1
    TE Jared Cook 1
    FLEX Peyton Hillis 5
    D/ST Lions D/ST 1
    K Mike Nugent 1
    BE Tony Romo 14
    BE Peyton Manning 14
    BE Bernard Scott 1
    BE LeGarrette Blount 1
    BE Carson Palmer 1
    BE Mike Tolbert 1
    BE Mike Williams 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

    JJ Walkerz
    QB Andrew Luck 11
    RB Darren Sproles 15
    RB Ahmad Bradshaw 15
    WR Marques Colston 15
    WR Brandon Lloyd 11
    TE Jason Witten 7
    FLEX Percy Harvin 10
    D/ST 49ers D/ST 9
    K Sebastian Janikowski 11
    BE Ryan Fitzpatrick 3
    BE Vernon Davis 12
    BE BenJarvus Green-Ellis 11
    BE Jonathan Stewart 12
    BE Stevan Ridley 10
    BE Jeremy Maclin 8
    BE Shonn Greene 8
    Total: 168
    Remaining: 32

    Team Bearly Able
    QB Andy Dalton 7
    RB LeSean McCoy 67
    RB Michael Bush 7
    WR Calvin Johnson 64
    WR Earl Bennett 2
    TE Rob Gronkowski 39
    FLEX Michael Crabtree 1
    D/ST Eagles D/ST 2
    K Matt Bryant 1
    BE Matt Flynn 2
    BE Santonio Holmes 2
    BE Anquan Boldin 1
    BE Felix Jones 1
    BE Steelers D/ST 2
    BE Owen Daniels 1
    BE Matt Prater 1
    Total: 200
    Remaining: 0

  • In reply to gpldan:

    my $.02... common with the team names guys... There were only 2 god ones. How about some creativity.

    Oh yeah, and go Dragons and gems!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB have you been following the Vuelta and the Colorado race? Really glad to see CVV win the Colorado race. It was Hincapie's last race. Cyclingnews.com has a great article on tributes to George. The Vuelta has been crazy. Love all the mountain finishes.

    I've ridden almost all the roads in the Colorado race. It's cool to see the pros tackle the same terrain. Their day is done before I would stop for lunch. I'm usually DFL on these types of tours but couldn't care less. I still have as much fun as anyone on the bike ride.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    canada, saw some of the stuff on hincapie. Great rider, great career.

    yeah, caught bits and pieces of colorado. Haven't had a chance to check the vuelta. I did check out thefixfixfix though. Kinda hot for normal looking broads.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I saved my creativity for my drafting.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I actually did the math. I added up ESPN's "projected points" for each teams most likely lineup (including some bench players with higher points and b4 Irish let go of some of his guys). The conclusions are interesting. B4 you read below, take a guess (based on above) who "won" the draft. Unfortunately, injuries, sleepers and some under performances always fuck up all projections, but here's the hard data.

    Steltz---1475
    MBP---1400
    Gaultier---1380
    Death---1409
    Grogan---1438
    Canton---1493
    Sweetness---1477
    Clutts---1532
    CYNE---1393
    Stafford---1319
    JJ---1355
    Barely---1462

    So the top 3

    Clutts---1532
    Canton---1493
    Sweetness---1477

  • Pete Christmas Carroll is an interesting coach.

    Hasselbeck gone, goes and gets Matt Flynn from the Pack, and then this Russell Wilson kid, the Badgers QB, gets the start.

    Seahawks are an interesting club to watch. Probably not much to be a fan of, but interesting to have in the league...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm reading his book "Win Forever" right now. Very well written, really interesting ideas (like applying Maslow's heirarchy to football), but here and there he seems a bit odd.

    I can't tell if he's the kind of guy that I would absolutely love to play for, or the kind of guy that would make me hate the game.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    from all the videos I've seen and rumors I've heard, you would love to play for him... you just might not win a whole lot.

    They are one of my sleeper teams though. I think he's got huge balls and makes some very interesting moves. We'll see.

  • Dang my team looks sexy!

  • Am I the only one with a nagging feeling in my gut regarding Cedric Benson? Keep worrying that head case is going to hang 150 yds on the Lachless D next month.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    You are having a flash back to the Bears-Bengals game in which CedBen stream rolled Alex Brown about a half dozen times and ran like he thought he was Herschel Walker using one of those Total Rekall brain implants.

    He might have a good game against us, the Pack are looking to balance that attack up. But overall, I don't think he has a FF quality season ahead of him, because while he gets up for the big rivalry, he backslides and checks out over the course of the season.

    I am, generally, worried about our run defense. Toe and Flatbread aren't exactly my idea of run stoppers. I wouldn't be shocked to see Price starting next to Melton before long.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wouldn't be shocked to see the Pack pick up KBell as well.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Yeah I can see that happening. Bell would be a good complement to Benson. Hopefully Benson and Hargrove will rot the Packers from within.

  • In reply to Jokey:

    Hargrove was cut getting down to 75.

  • In reply to Johnnywad:

    Rosie O' Donnell would hang 150 on a Lach-less D.

  • Anybody see the ESPN highlights of the Jets-Panthers game?

    Wildly entertaining. Tebow is a god damn hoot. Only team to not have scored a TD in the PS. Sanchez has nothing to throw to.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    No but I'll try to watch the replay on the NFLN. I love watching Train Rex.

  • Vince Young let go, replaced on Bills by Tavaris Jackson.

    Young officially a bust now. Memories of stupid Texas fan yelling at the Texans for taking Mario Williams #1 and not Vince Young. Tee hee.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    man, that place kicks out fantastic busts faster and more furiously than a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

    VYoung, Benson, McCoy, etc.... etc...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    This was a good move by the Bills. Tavaris Jackson isn't a starter, but he's probably above average for a backup. The Bills front office has shown enough savvy to get that $4 million contract adjusted, and I doubt he'll cost more than a 5th rounder, which isn't bad for someone you know will make the roster.

    Have to say I like what the Bills are doing this year. As the Jets and Dolphins fade, they're getting into position to challenge New England for the division.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    have to agree with you NB. If fitz can just pull it together for an entire season instead of a 3-4 game stretch, they will be very dangerous.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And don't forget, the big improvement this year is supposed to be on defense (Mario Williams, Stephen Gilmore). Fitz got help with an Olineman (Cordy Glenn) and a WR (TJ Graham), plus Zebrie Sanders might be a decent swing tackle, but the story of that off-season was the upgrades on D.

    I paid $66 for Tom Brady in the auction league, but I would not be surprised to see Mario Williams tag him twice in a game when they play this year.

    And Gilmore has the tools to be the next island of the AFC West, just like Revis.

    Funny how the AFC West (notoriously powerful offenses) are building up powerful defenses (Jets are known for D, Miami's only strength last year was D, Buffalo had a big off-season, NE spent two first rounders on the front 7). Meanwhile the NFC North (known for "black and blue" defense) is becoming the offensive powerhouse with three top tier QBs, two of the best #1 WRs in the league, and two of the best RBs in the league.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    interesting point in your last paragraph NB

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No one ever talks about Fitzy. Fantasy gold as a backup.

  • this has to be a joke... please tell me this is a joke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh-h7s6Qtxg&feature=youtu.be

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    this has to be a joke... please tell me this is a joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3gpYlff6NqY

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=rmn8vFrYyCg

    Pretty bird.

  • In reply to Shady:

    G'day... mate.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Do you think it can pass a Voight Kampf test?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    blade-runner reference +225 blog points.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He's gotta pay for that stadium *somehow*, MB

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    that man is diiiiiiispicable.

  • Russell Wilson is one of the surprises of this pre-season, winning the starting QB spot for the Seachickens. The rap on him is his 5'11" height. He graduated from NC State with a year of eligibility left, and went and played minor league baseball last spring. Then he decided to come back and play football, transferring to WI. He didn't play in spring ball, but easily won the starting job and was named a team captain. He's got some definite leadership skills and works his ass off according to all accounts. And he's a smart football player. Doesn't turn it over very often, and when he runs he rarely takes the big hit. I wish that guy all the best. He's a class act.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    when was he picked Corm (which round I mean)?

    Too bad they just shelled out $10M to Flynn huh? I'm going with nurture at this point btw.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He was a third round pick.
    Not sure what you mean by nurture, but my guess is your talking about Flynn at GB, and possibly LSU before that. Playing in a pass-friendly system at GB with great weapons made him look a lot better, especially against the Lions secondary.
    Did you ever see my post about WI players who wear your old numbers?

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    He's pretty much been picked up in every league. He could go off. These mobile QBs are definitely the future - I wouldn't write off Tebow yet. Dude's 250lbs ... if he learns to throw the ball he'll be awesome.

    Terelle Pryor looked scary too. Apart from the Jesse Owens impression he showed a deft touch on one particular pass. If Carlton doesn't win games .... that dude will.

  • The bad guy is Julian Assange?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kw1UVovByw

  • In reply to gpldan:

    holy shit... raul Julia……. is ALLLIIIIVE!!!!!!

    FuckenA I love bond. Can't wait to go see that shit, then start a fight outside the theater because I think I'm bond after 90 minutes of hollywood immersion.

    Bang! Bang!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bang! Bang! Indeed.

    And we get 'Q', finally.

  • In reply to SC Dave:

    yeeeeeees. So psyched. Fucking loved bond since I was 5

  • Blogfather, how 'bout we only refer to them as what they ARE and what Roger Godell hates to call them: Exhibition Games.

    Meanwhile, back at the cash register...
    CBS got a nice rating for the Bears-Giants exhibition game on Friday, as did NBC with Panthers-Jets last night.

    Cha-Ching!

  • maybe not proven cancer Doc, but there is this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/teen-pot-use-iq_n_1834392.html?1346101718&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing11%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D197842

  • Carroll is a bit like Jon Gruden. He's looking for that perfect QB, and he's willing to as many guys as he can to find him. But I do feel bad for Flynn.

    Flynn, Tebow and Orton would have all been better off in Jacksonville. I'd include Campbell in the list, but I think he's got a better chance of starting in 2013 and beyond if he spends the year on a winning team.

  • In reply to NewBearInTown:

    Gruden ended up with Simms pothead kid by the end, if I recall correctly.

    Maybe he's willing to give Matt Lienart another shot at the biggs.

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